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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:48 AM May 2014

Dolly Parton comments about her LGBT fans:


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Speaking of favorites, Parton was asked about her fan base in the LGBT community, who have long admired her. "The guys all want to look like me," she admitted. "I've always said it's a good thing I was born a woman or I would have been a drag queen.

I think they definitely relate to my flamboyance. I've always been so outgoing. But, I think more than anything, everybody realizes I've been through a lot myself. I've been persecuted for looking the way I looked in the early days, for saying what I think and feel.

They know I understand what it's like to be me, and to fight for being myself, and overcoming a lot of things. I think they also know that I just love them.

I don't judge or criticize anybody. God loves us all. I look for the God-light in everybody, and I want the God-light to shine through me.

I understand them. We're just people. We just do what we do, love who we love, and can't help who we are. We should be that -- proudly."
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http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-615/6084841/dolly-parton-blue-smoke-album-willie-nelson-bon-jovi-cover

She has consistently had this message for years. Have yet to hear anybody try to jump her about it.
Her comments about a God never bother me. She doesn't use her religion to judge. She uses it to love.
Loves me some Dolly!
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Dolly Parton comments about her LGBT fans: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries May 2014 OP
I know "tawdry" is part of her schtick but JNelson6563 May 2014 #1
She employs more people in the smokies than the state of TN. She has always been regarded as okaawhatever May 2014 #3
Yes, I know. JNelson6563 May 2014 #13
I have loved her since the days of Porter Wagner roguevalley May 2014 #42
I love her too - and she and my mother were first cousins Samantha May 2014 #63
I know several babies Tsiyu May 2014 #47
One of my favorite Dollyisms is when her grandfather, a preacher, said to her Boomerproud May 2014 #54
She's a beautiful person, through and through. LuvNewcastle May 2014 #2
Dolly was always ahead of her time in support of the GLBT community theHandpuppet May 2014 #4
You gotta give her credit. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #5
She is in the Are_grits_groceries May 2014 #16
Songwriter! Period. She's great. Eleanors38 May 2014 #19
I'm sure you know that Porter Wagoner gave her her start. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #50
Didn't know about buying Porter's music. Are_grits_groceries May 2014 #52
doesnt she hold the record? mopinko May 2014 #65
She's neat shenmue May 2014 #6
I've always loved her pintobean May 2014 #7
The Gospel According to Dolly: Smarmie Doofus May 2014 #8
I don't think. . . daligirl519 May 2014 #11
I'm pretty sure she was referring to the drag queens who impersonate her justiceischeap May 2014 #12
Ya know? Are_grits_groceries May 2014 #14
Well, don't Bogart the incense. Eleanors38 May 2014 #20
snort... daleanime May 2014 #29
That reminds me... Eleanors38 May 2014 #38
Well, Smarmie Doofus Scruffy Rumbler May 2014 #30
OFFS. What could anyone possibly say that couldn't be twisted like that? nolabear May 2014 #32
Both are true genxlib May 2014 #35
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #44
Geez genxlib May 2014 #55
Hang in there. It's the chance to enforce a kind of Stalinist uniformity of opinion..... Smarmie Doofus May 2014 #57
No worries genxlib May 2014 #60
Here's to never taking "Yes" for an answer.... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #36
smarmie doofus Voice for Peace May 2014 #37
she knows what it is to be poor demigoddess May 2014 #53
Your username is honest. GeorgeGist May 2014 #56
She speaks from her heart and she has consistently been a backer of the LGBT community Rowdyboy May 2014 #9
Her cover of yesphan May 2014 #18
Same here theHandpuppet May 2014 #40
Slowed and pitch shifted Jolene to preserve Dolly's voice and just slowed. Both great. Ed Suspicious May 2014 #10
Good finds MrScorpio May 2014 #28
LOL@ "Slow Ass Jolene" tkmorris May 2014 #49
Whoa, these are great! Thanks FailureToCommunicate May 2014 #58
I'm not a big fan of her music, but I think she is a beautiful person from the inside out. Arkansas Granny May 2014 #15
An American Legend and a True Classy Lady. Love her too! joanbarnes May 2014 #17
flamboyance? shireen May 2014 #21
I think she was referring to the 'drag queen' Are_grits_groceries May 2014 #23
my bad ... shireen May 2014 #24
Love that smile. Voice is good, too. toby jo May 2014 #22
An amazing talent and a good person. riqster May 2014 #25
i like her lots but have no interest in looking like her! m-lekktor May 2014 #26
This LGBT fan has loved her since I even knew I was LGBT! William769 May 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author William769 May 2014 #33
I'll bet Tater, Moonpie & Scat would like her too! catbyte May 2014 #31
If anyone is interested I am posting a link with a lot of her music for your listening pleasure. William769 May 2014 #34
I remember her very first apperance.... AnneD May 2014 #41
Agreed. William769 May 2014 #43
Her god message doesn't bother me either... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #39
She uses her faith as a means of love and inclusion. NCTraveler May 2014 #45
I fully agree awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #48
Dolly has long been one of my heroes Tsiyu May 2014 #46
That lady has more class in her little finger louis-t May 2014 #51
and a good bit of our side of the aisle. mopinko May 2014 #66
''I don't judge or criticize anybody.'' = Unconditional Love. DeSwiss May 2014 #59
have loved her since her Porter Wagoner days Skittles May 2014 #61
Wow - Con here......... fletch18 May 2014 #62
she's a national treasure and an enormous talent...love dolly parton spanone May 2014 #64
Love love love Dolly. myrna minx May 2014 #67

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
1. I know "tawdry" is part of her schtick but
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:54 AM
May 2014

she has always been a first class lady (and a damn smart one at that!). I think she's wonderful.

Julie

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
3. She employs more people in the smokies than the state of TN. She has always been regarded as
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:00 AM
May 2014

a very savvy businesswoman by the music industry and the regular business world.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
42. I have loved her since the days of Porter Wagner
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:50 PM
May 2014

she is brilliant and a beautiful singer. she taught at a community college how to write songs. she is a treasure of our country, this good lady

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
63. I love her too - and she and my mother were first cousins
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:30 PM
May 2014

I have the same philosophy about judging others as she. I totally think people have the right to be who they want or were born to be and it is not our place to evaluate that decision.

But I also love her music too.

Sam

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
47. I know several babies
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:37 PM
May 2014

who receive books once a month from her foundation.

They are really nice books, too.

Boomerproud

(7,955 posts)
54. One of my favorite Dollyisms is when her grandfather, a preacher, said to her
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:24 PM
May 2014

"Satan must make you look like that."

Dolly replied "Oh no Grandpa, Satan had nothing to do with it. I do this all by myself."


Another one is when Tammy Wynette was worried that people would say she slept with Porter Waggoner.

"Don't worry Tammy, half the people will think he's lying and the other half will think we've got bad taste."

You go girl.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
5. You gotta give her credit.
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:11 AM
May 2014

She came from nothing and used her talent and her intelligence to get where she is. AND her views on the LBGT community is in sharp contrast to many of her fans who don't share her, let's say, magnanimous views of others.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
16. She is in the
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:34 AM
May 2014

Songwriters' Hall Of Fame not just the country one. She has written a lot of music and kept the rights.
She could probably retire just from the residuals from "I Will Always Love You. "

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
50. I'm sure you know that Porter Wagoner gave her her start.
Thu May 15, 2014, 03:43 PM
May 2014

(She wrote the song, "I Will Always Love You" for him) Well, years later, Wagoner was broke and he was trying to sell his catalogue to raise money. She bought his ENTIRE catalogue of music and then gifted it back to him. Talk about doin' the right thing. You can only admire people like that.

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
65. doesnt she hold the record?
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:06 AM
May 2014

iirc, she actually holds the record for the most recorded author credits.
she has an absolutely phenomenal number of songs and albums to her credit.

and ya know, the thing i love the most about her is that there is just no better example of what can become of a child raised with love. she had nothing else. and look what she became.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
8. The Gospel According to Dolly:
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:14 AM
May 2014

1. All gay guys want to "look like" her. (Who knew?)

2. Gay guys are "flamboyant." (Right. Naturally.)

3. Being "persecuted" for being Dolly Parton is roughly analogous to being persecuted for being gay. (Yikes.)

4. No one should ever "judge" anyone. For *anything*. (Really?!?!) That apparently is the best thing that can be said for gay people. ( Talk about a back-handed complement.)


OK: She's a great singer, funny lady and probably a nice person. But she's no tabernacle of socio-political wisdom.

Maybe we should exercise a little judgement and employ a little discernment about whom we choose to enshrine.

daligirl519

(285 posts)
11. I don't think. . .
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
May 2014

anyone was proposing starting a religion around her! Sheesh! Sometimes people are just on the right side of things - that's all you need to take from this.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
12. I'm pretty sure she was referring to the drag queens who impersonate her
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
May 2014

Of course, she could be over generalizing the ENTIRE gay community but I doubt that. And I think she was trying to say that she can relate to the gay community for being persecuted for just being who you are. However, you can read it any way you like, just as I read it the way I liked.

I'm "offended" (sarcasm) she didn't even mention lesbians since she's been accused of being one for many, many years.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
14. Ya know?
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:30 AM
May 2014

Nobody asked her to be a fount of socio-political wisdom.

The most important comment she has about gays is "I just love them." That is straight from the heart and unequivocal. You don't hear that level of inclusion from a lot of LGBT supporters. That is the highest level IMHO.

So go ahead and deconstruct her every statement. Have at it.
The LGBT community loves her too and so do I.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
30. Well, Smarmie Doofus
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:39 PM
May 2014
1. All gay guys want to "look like" her. (Who knew?) As her next line references drag queens, I am sure she was talking about the female impersonators. And she said guys, not gay guys.

2. Gay guys are "flamboyant." (Right. Naturally.)Actually, I and many of my friends are quite flamboyant, when we are allowed to be ourselves. But having learned from a very young age that being flamboyant is somehow shameful.... well look at your statement

3. Being "persecuted" for being Dolly Parton is roughly analogous to being persecuted for being gay. (Yikes.)Her statement: "They know I understand what it's like to be me, and to fight for being myself, and overcoming a lot of things. I think they also know that I just love them." I believe she understands what it is like to be persecuted.

4. No one should ever "judge" anyone. For *anything*. (Really?!?!) That apparently is the best thing that can be said for gay people. ( Talk about a back-handed complement.) Well, I would like to live in a world where I am not judged. Period. So I can understand her feelings.

You certainly lived up to your name.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
32. OFFS. What could anyone possibly say that couldn't be twisted like that?
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:46 PM
May 2014

And what's the point of smarming up what's clearly meant to be a bunch of affirming, loving statements by a person who has actually lived what she's saying? It's absurd and reductive and adds nothing.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
35. Both are true
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:12 PM
May 2014

I'm not gay so I am always careful about whether I am qualified to judge. But all those things jumped out at me too.

I think it is ok to recognize both. Considering her age, background, livelihood, etc.I think her attitude is remarkable.

But I can also say that the attitude falls short for all the reasons you stated. The lgbt community deserves better overall.

I feel the same way about pope Francis. Du has spent a lot of time and energy arguing about him and everyone seems to fall on the extremes of the great-evil scale. It is ok to recognize nuance. Considering who he is and the history he represents,, some of his statements are downright remarkable. However, he is still the leader of an organization that is wrong on too many issues.

So let's recognize the progress and push for better.

Response to genxlib (Reply #35)

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
55. Geez
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:48 PM
May 2014

Congratulations on the overreaction of the day.

I was raised in a Dolly loving household and I love her to death. But clearly, her language struck a few people as stereotyping. I don't think she meant any harm but I think it could have been done better. She's a nine but don't hate me for striving for a 10.

But here is what I find the most interesting. You and I are on the same side. So I am not sure why you felt the need to denigrate me. This place has a habit of attacking allies for insufficient adherence to the purity clause. I was trying to respond to someone who disagreed with your original premise by saying you were both right.

Whatever.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
57. Hang in there. It's the chance to enforce a kind of Stalinist uniformity of opinion.....
Thu May 15, 2014, 08:29 PM
May 2014

... that actually attracts a lot of people to this site.

Hence the barrage of ad hominems. You're "stupid". I'm... well take a quick look up and down the thread. ( A quick look is all it deserves.)

Challenge them on their emotionalism and irrationality and they go postal.


For the record, here's what I said about Ms Parton:

"OK: She's a great singer, funny lady and probably a nice person. But she's no tabernacle of socio-political wisdom."

Any reasonably dispassionate person, reading her remarks, will agree with me.


Relax: this brigade is not the whole site. Hang in there. You'll soon get used to this element.







genxlib

(5,528 posts)
60. No worries
Thu May 15, 2014, 08:52 PM
May 2014

I've been here for years. I just don't post much.

I'm literally all thumbs when it comes to typing on a phone so I rarely dive in.

After all, it can be so rewarding

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
9. She speaks from her heart and she has consistently been a backer of the LGBT community
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:19 AM
May 2014

I love her schtick and a lot of her music. "Hard Candy Christmas" and "Coat of Many Colors" bring me to tears.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
49. LOL@ "Slow Ass Jolene"
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:59 PM
May 2014

Not sure why.

"Hey, is that woman alright?' "Oh yeah, don't worry about her, that's just Slow Ass Jolene..."

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
15. I'm not a big fan of her music, but I think she is a beautiful person from the inside out.
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:31 AM
May 2014

I've always admired her drive and honesty.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
21. flamboyance?
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:47 AM
May 2014

I don't have anything against Dolly Parton, but I winced when I saw the word "flamboyance." It is a stereotype that bothers me. One of my best friends is gay … he and his husband are just regular guys. I had no idea he was gay when I first met him. Since then, I've met many gay men that don't fit that "flamboyant" stereotype.

Modern Family is one of my fav. tv shows, but I think the Cameron character is way too exaggerated.

The bottom line: never assume anything about anyone based on their personality.

Response to William769 (Reply #27)

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
41. I remember her very first apperance....
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:47 PM
May 2014

on the Porter Wagoner show. My father dearly loves the other singer, I think her name was Norma Jean. She was very popular at the time Dolly replaced her. Her buxom figure did not help her any as Dad commented...well now I know what he sees in her. You could tell Dolly was scared to death and I think she even sang higher than her normal range. But once she calmed down, we all loved her. As the years progress, she was the best thing on the show. Always had a soft spot in my heart for her. I like Loretta and June too. They were real and strong women singer-song writers in a male dominated business.

William769

(55,147 posts)
43. Agreed.
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:52 PM
May 2014

Although I have to admit I never got use to Porter Wagoner's outfit's (yuck).

I also have Loretta and June in my music section of my site. I am from S.E. Kentucky. want to take a guess at what my Favorite Loretta Lynn song is?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
45. She uses her faith as a means of love and inclusion.
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:09 PM
May 2014

Not exclusion. Regardless of my own opinions on faith, the manner in which she views faith has helped to mold her into an amazingly wonderful woman.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
46. Dolly has long been one of my heroes
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:35 PM
May 2014

And if you ever get to Dollywood, check out the nursing rooms if you're a mom. If it's like it was years ago, Dolly thinks of the moms and their comfort.

There is the little cabin there the size of the one in which she grew up ( may be the original ) and you will realize what an amazing woman she is to have made it from a shack to music royalty



Skittles

(153,169 posts)
61. have loved her since her Porter Wagoner days
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:16 PM
May 2014

she was lovely even when she was hawking Breeze detergent with towels

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