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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBOOM!!- Jesse Ventura: The LIFE & CRIMES of Dick Cheney
"..DICK CHENEY, YOU'RE BULLSHIT"!!..............
"Five Deferments" Dick Cheney is back, and this time he's defending torture! Jesse Ventura may be #OffTheGrid, but he isn't going to let Darth Cheney get away with it. The Governor runs down the Life and Crimes of the Ultimate Chickenhaw from his tenure at Halliburton to his time as Vice President right up to his recent justification of waterboarding. What do you think was Cheney's greatest offense?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)And in essence, telling MOST of us to " Go fu-k yourself " .
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I quit HuffPost when they pulled an editorial from Ventura regarding questions concerning 911. HuffPost said no conspiracy theories allowed. But they post TMZ crap all day long. I'm glad Jesse quit that rag...and if they really think conspiracies don't exist then I have some private prison stocks they may wanna buy.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)unless they stick to the 'official story'? You would think Dems would have at least done what Repubs would have done had it happened on a Dem President's watch, demand a thorough investigation at least with no 'secret' testimony and all the other restrictions not to mention the demand by Bush/Cheney not to have ANY investigation. Can you imagine what Repubs would have done with that?
Instead Dems remained quiet and Dem forums quickly tried to end any discussion of the whole crime.
whathehell
(29,922 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)9/11 is without a doubt the most investigated incident ever...And that is being conservative! Yes, it makes perfect sense as to why Dem Forums, the respected ones, like to keep discussions rooted in truth & when comes to 9/11 rooted in SCIENCE!
Ventura is no different from Alex Jones & many other right wing conspiracy theorist...Ventura denies science when it comes to many things but most of all 9/11 & especially Anthropogenic Climate Change...Ventura should not be respected or taken seriously regardless of the topic.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)First of all the NYC FD was PREVENTED from doing the standard investigation they always do after any fire. And they are STILL angry over that. Now why would ANYONE want to STOP even such a routine investigation and WHO gave that order?
Just one of the many ways that 9/11 investigations were HAMPERED. And it was not Congress, certainly not Dems who finally over rode Bush's incredible decision NOT to have ANY investigation AT ALL. It was the victims' families and other groups supporting them that finally SHAMED them into some kind of investigation.
Btw, do you know what testimony was provided by Bush/Cheney, I don't. I'd like to know why they were allowed to give that testimony in secret, and NOT SEPARATELY.
What a sham it all was, indicating that someone was trying to hide something.
What should have happened was a total protection of the crime scene, (this did not happen when Giuliani ordered all the steel from the towers to be sent out of the state and melted down before anyone could analyze it). Then the routine investigations by the FD should have gone forward immediately. Just for starters.
A thorough investigation with public hearings, all testimony made PUBLIC should have been CALLED FOR by Congress and the POTUS. But the exact opposite happened. Incredibly.
'If they had nothing to hide they would have nothing to fear'. But clearly that was intense fear of something and because of that people will remain skeptical of any 'findings' whether you like it or not. This had to be the most hampered investigation ever of a major crime.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Last edited Mon May 19, 2014, 07:41 PM - Edit history (1)
You are 100% correct. It wasnt investigated thoroughly and Bush didn't want any investigation at all. No investigation of the event that they claimed needed to change the way the entire world is run. To their benefit of course. They wanted us to give up all our rights at home and invade the Middle East for oil but not investigate what happened? Even when they "claimed" they didn't know what happened at first? The worst is that they tried to get war criminal and Bush Family Crime Syndicate narco-terrorist Henry Kissinger to run the investigation. That's right. The guy who has suggested we find ways to coax the public into letting us invade the Middle East in the past. I can tell you on HuffPost it was discovered that some of the most prolific commenters who claimed no conspiracy existed were outed as paid military contractors managing sock puppet profiles. One of them even was able to censor thousands of comments on the issue. They have no credibility any longer.
oneofthe99
(712 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)Start here & tell me why you need a break again?
Did the Bush Administration throw sand in the gears of the 9/11 commission, yes. However, what the Bush Administration was dodging was NOT how they pulled off the largest most complex red flag event the world could possibly EVER see (9/11 Truther claim) but how utterly complacent the Bush Administration was the 9 months leading up to 9/11 completely ignoring the Clinton Administration's warnings as well as the warnings from Bush's own counter terrorism advisers!
We know EXACTLY what happened on 9/11...The only questions that remain are specifics around just how dumb, arrogant & complacent the Bush Administration was in the 9 months leading up to the attacks on 9/11. There really are no "questions" but getting at the specific evidence that confirms how dumb, arrogant & complacent they were. That is it. Sorry.
dballance
(5,756 posts)The investigations of the JFK and MLK assassinations have been more through but still fell far short of the truth due to insider meddling. The bogus investigations of Benghazi are approaching landmark status.
The investigations of 9/11 have fallen far short of being comprehensive, through, and definitive. Bush and Cheney declined to testify in public and under oath.
I'm not sure about Ventura's climate change position but that is not the issue here. The issue is that the 9/11 tragedy has never been fully investigated. The crime scene was obliterated and investigators with local jurisdiction did not get to conduct a proper investigation. Building 7 came down in what looks like a controlled demo HOURS and HOURS after the initial attacks. NO building of the same construction as Building 7 has EVER come down in that manner due to the types of fires NIST said were present. In fact, the WTC towers had experienced the same sort of "office fires" before and not collapsed.
AZCat
(8,345 posts)That's not a hallmark of brilliance, IMO.
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)Conspiracy Theory PIMPS like Jesse Ventura & Alex Jones use the fact the Bush Administration was not very cooperative with the 9/11 Commission as a ticket to creating basically any Conspiracy Theory they care to.
Everything you claimed is 100% FALSE. My guess is you have allowed your dislike of the Bush Administration to guide you to info you WANT TO BE TRUE not what really took place.
No buildings fell "like controlled demolitions"...This statement is on par with "Global Warming stopped & now it is cooling". The same process is at play...People are making big bucks to sell BULLSHIT to the ignorant masses! Alex Jones has literally made MILLIONS selling the 9/11 Truth movement & other crazy Conspiracy Theories!
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/alex-jones-net-worth/
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/alex-jones-net-worth/
No building of the same construction as Building 7 has ever come down due to the types of fires NIST said were present...Because no building of the same construction has been hit at its base by the falling debris of a 110 story building severely weakening Building 7 structurally & then the NIST fires, many oil based fires that were allowed to burn for more than 7 hours further weakening Building 7 to the point of collapse. And NO building of the same construction has ever burned for so long with no fire suppression...All the water mains were damaged during the collapse of WTC 1 & 2.
http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-11/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf
&index=8&list=PL1kxIEUNLeOUV6VtXFMgZ9kViHRW_u6Mj
No, the 9/11 crime scene was NOT "obliterated" & NO, local investigators were not prevented from doing any investigation...There is an investigative process followed was always followed for terrorism.
Did the Bush Administration throw sand in the gears of the 9/11 commission, yes. However, what the Bush Administration was dodging was NOT how they pulled off the largest most complex red flag event the world could possibly EVER see (9/11 Truther claim) but how utterly complacent the Bush Administration was the 9 months leading up to 9/11 completely ignoring the Clinton Administration's warnings as well as the warnings from Bush's own counter terrorism advisers!
We know EXACTLY what happened on 9/11...The only questions that remain are specifics around just how dumb, arrogant & complacent the Bush Administration was in the 9 months leading up to the attacks on 9/11. There really are no "questions" but getting at the specific evidence that confirms how dumb, arrogant & complacent they were. That is it. Sorry.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Building 7 has never been explained as a matter of common physics. That's why many architects, physicists and engineers question the conclusion of NIST. NIST, by the way, didn't cite the things you've posted in your videos in their report. Over a decade after the 9/11 tragedy no other building of the same construction has been felled by a similar attack or consequence. No office fires have led to the collapse of a steel-framed building on the scale of what happened on 9/11. Also, the office fires in 7 were pretty typical of office fires.
Call me a conspiracy theorist. That's fine. I am a conspiracy theorist. I truly believe there is more to 9/11 than we publicly know. By the definition of "conspiracy" the fact that many people must have worked together to effect the public knowledge and opinion or hide the truth about an event makes it a conspiracy.
It is quite clear from publically available sources that the Bush administration lied and lied and lied. Yep, they were also arrogant and complacent.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)Teach me WHY what I claim is "stupid"...That is unless you really don't know what you claim to know & would rather HIDE BEHIND YOUR CUTE AWARD CEREMONY.
Start here...
It is a FACT 4 hijacked airplanes did 100% of the damage that day. ANYONE who questions this is on the same exact footing as Young Earth Creationist, Flat Earthers, Moon Landing was a Hoax groups, etc.,
Jesse Ventura is a Conspiracy Theory PIMP...He makes money off the IGNORANCE of others.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)And it all centered around the complacency of the Bush Administration...Who ignored all the warnings passed to them by the Clinton Admin & his own counter terrorism experts! NEVER, in any of the government's investigations or the countless others done by respected groups has the PHYSICS of what happened that day ever been questioned at all!! It is a FACT 4 hijacked airplanes did 100% of the damage that day. ANYONE who questions this is on the same exact footing as Young Earth Creationist, Flat Earthers, Moon Landing was a Hoax groups, etc.,
Jesse Ventura is a Conspiracy Theory PIMP...He makes money off the IGNORANCE of others.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It was a whitewash just like democrat senator and triple amputee war hero Max Cleland said when he quit the 911 Commission in protest. I am an engineer and I can tell you that it is your views that are erroneous.
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)The physics of 9/11 & how those buildings were destroyed...He is a big critic of the Bush Admin thought they were not being fully honest with the Commission & thought the Commission let the Bush administration off the hook for being the dumb fucks they are not taking the Clinton administration's & his own counter terrorism adviser's warnings seriously.
HUGE DIFFERENCE!!
If you are an engineer & you deny the physics of what happened then I doubt you or your career matter in the world of engineering.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)are being institutionalized under our noses right here. But some BS called Godwin's Law doesn't allow it to be discussed. Who the Hell gave Godwin any authority over people's opinions?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)TMZ crap is far more offensive than any conspiracy theories out there.
And "liberal" Huffington took that millions of dollars of payout for the website, and pocketed it ALL, without ever re-imbursing her writers, many of whom produced excellent copy for free. What a douche bag of a woman. SHAME on her.
And let me echo your last part of the statements you make:
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and if they really think conspiracies don't exist then I have some private prison stocks they may wanna buy.
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)Just to hear someone say it out loud!
F*** Dick.
Segami
(14,923 posts)stopbush
(24,633 posts)eom
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)don't want to go after Cheney, and wish the dirty leftists would just leave him alone. Serious people look forward.
So the awful hippies and the conspiracy nuts are the only ones that are still willing to talk about his crimes.
I'll wear that badge.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)PROUDLY, until a thorough investigation is taken up.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)I eschew "Coincidence Theories."
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)is no longer a theory in Detroit
lunasun
(21,646 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)For what?
Ventura may say things Liberals like to hear now & then but this guy is really no different than those fools who were roaming around the DC Mall threatening to take over the government. Ventura sells BS for a living...And we all know the crowd who is buying.
Ventura should learn a bit more about SCIENCE when it comes to things like the 9/11 investigation & even more important Anthropogenic Climate Change which he also denies. Seriously, Anthropogenic Climate Change is not hard to understand so those who continue to deny deny deny like Ventura really don't deserve much respect even when they happen to say something one might agree with.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)We need someone courageous enough, with integrity and who isn't owned by the same folks that own Cheney..
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and you really don't want dickeyboy in chains, in the docket at the Hague either, do you?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Love Ventura, he speaks his mind and never cares what anyone thinks about him. So many questions about 9/11 that have not been answered, not the least of which is 'why did Bush/Cheney IGNORE 52 warnings of an attack that summer from the Intel community, THEN turn around and BLAME the people who were trying to warn them for IGNORING THEM.
Go Jesse and anyone else who keeps on reminding us that war criminals like Cheney are still walking free among us.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... than by definition, it's a conspiracy theory. Hell, even the "official" version of events is, again by definition, a conspiracy theory.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)I wish...
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Ventura also speaks the truth about the conspiracy behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. If it weren't so, what JFK's niece and nephew told Charlie Rose would have been broadcast.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his sister Rory Kennedy told Charlie Rose that their father, the Attorney General of the United States, Robert F. Kennedy, believed there was a conspiracy behind the death of his brother, President John F. Kennedy. For the first time in almost 50 years, members of the slain president's family were on the record about their father's thoughts about the assassination.
The story made news, as it were, for a day or two -- it was on page 8 here in Detroit (try finding it using The Free Press or Detroit News web site search engines) -- and apart from several threads on DU, that's about it as coverage goes. The Charlie Rose interview was part of a program put together by the media and good people in Dallas to celebrate JFK's life.
What bothers me about the media coverage is the constant attack, not on the government's lousy investigation of the assassination and its attendant cover-up, but, rather, the attack on anyone who brings up the subject of conspiracy in the death of the president, even when it's children of attorney general who also was the brother of the slain president.
Check out this condescending piece of opinion from the Dallas Observer:
Not Even Charlie Rose Could Rein in RFK Jr. in Dallas Last Night. Also: Conspiracy Theories!
By Betsy Lewis Sat., Jan. 12 2013 at 11:01 AM
It got weird when he went into a historical lecture about his father's investigation into the JFK assassination. He was speaking about it as if he had been part of it, then cited a book called The Unspeakable by Jim Douglas (sic - actually "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" by James Douglass) as being the best book on the subject, then kept referencing things from the book. He was losing the audience, so he burst out, "My father believed that the Warren Report was a shoddy piece of craftsmanship," to the delighted applause of the mostly Baby Boomer audience.
Whenever Charlie Rose would ask about the family, RFK Jr. would evade the question until he heard either delighted Boomer applause or delighted Boomer laughter. One of his responses to a family question was an unrelated story about World War II. A lady behind me who must have recently Netflixed The Iron Lady kept saying, "Here here!" for the benefit of us unfortunate people around her.
Some of the strangest RFK Jr. outbursts with the biggest applause were:
"We're becoming a national security state!" (applause, "Here here!"
"Corporations want profits!" (applause, "Here here!"
"Corporations are great things, but we'd be nuts to let them run our government!" (applause, "Here here!"
"Nationalism in Africa! The end of colonialism!"
At this point, I don't think anyone knew what the hell he was talking about. It was something about the Kennedy family airlifting President Obama's father out of Kenya to begin a new life in America.
RFK Jr.: "Yes."
CONTINUED...
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/mixmaster/2013/01/charlie_rose_live_the_kennedy.php
Me, I don't believe any of that stuff was "out there." Why writer Betsy Lewis chooses to believe what the media tell her is true I'll guess lies in allegiance to a pay check.
Likewise for the lack of coverage given the story in the national media, where the same few corporations that swore up and down there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, both in 1990 and 2002, now want no part of "conspiracy talk" during the 50th anniversary observance. So far, as far as I'm aware, the Charlie Rose program has not aired.
What's more telling is what didn't get noted in the nation's corrupt mass media at all: The fact that Attorney General and later Senator Robert F. Kennedy also was assassinated. Some think that was a coincidence, because the mass media told them so. One thing's for certain, the questions still surrounding the deaths of two liberal icons doesn't get discussed at all today in our supposedly "free press."
OP: Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press
Ventura isn't afraid to speak the truth about Cheney and 911 like so many coddled, spoiled wealthy journalists are.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...I smelled a rat. Ops that big don't happen in a vacuum. I told my best friend I suspected the "secret team" behind the Bush regime and he and my wife both said I was paranoid. Six months later, we learned that the little turd from Crawford knew and didn't do squat to stop the hijackings. Of course, we've only learned more since then:
New NSA docs contradict Bush Administration 9-11 claims
And so it goes.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Some people belief systems can't adjust to the truth. In my opinion it's because they are lazy and unwilling to put the effort in that it takes to change. These are the same kind of people that really thought there were WMDs in Iraq at first or that the Vietnam War was a good idea at the time.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)quiet all the naysayers I ran into during the last Nov. 22nd commemoration on this board. But then again given the ability of some here to totally ignore facts, probably not. on edit: And no I don't agree with everything Ventura ventures as a personal opinion.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What also hurt was the idea that particular DUer probably had no idea of what Orwell meant:
The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.
For those interested in learning the latest, with links to details from the "Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" at Duquesne University:
Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters?
JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People
After JFK Conference, when I got home, I felt like RFK.
JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings
JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee
JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power
JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963
JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Governments Role in the Assassination
JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'
JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation
Noah's Ark - Nov. 22, 1963
JFK Remembered: Dan Rather and James Swanson talk at The Henry Ford
Seven Days in May -- tonight on TCM
Machine Gun Mouth
heaven05
(18,124 posts)talking about. Thanks for all these links. Bookmarked for reference.
mountain grammy
(27,437 posts)My mom said "they're killing the best liberals we've had since FDR because they couldn't kill him and we elected him 4 times. They'll never allow anyone that popular to live." She never told me who "they" were, she just knew. Even if the assassin was some lone, crazy sharpshooter, he was indoctrinated to kill.
Fifty years later, mom was right and so is Jesse Ventura.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea."
The 50 years since Dallas have only shown how correct your mother's words. Rather than a world where every human life is valued, it's a place where there's welfare for the wealthy and wars without end for profit.
And our selected leaders behave as if there's nothing wrong. Pretzeldent George W Bush remembers JFK for ''Service":
"Today we remember a dark episode in our Nation's history, and we remember the leader whose life was cut short 50 years ago. John F. Kennedy dedicated himself to public service, and his example moved Americans to do more for our country. He believed in the greatness of the United States and the righteousness of liberty, and he defended them. On this solemn anniversary, Laura and I join our fellow citizens in honoring our 35th President." -- George W Bush, Nov. 22, 2013
That was pretty much the official company line in Dallas on the 50th anniversary of the assassination:
"Let's remember his service." How perfectly vacuous.
Anyway, the public beneficiary of the Rehnquist-Scalia 5-4 election theft also said:
""Money trumps peace."." -- George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007
Some concept from the latest in the long line of treasonous warmonger is missing there.
------------- HOW THOSE AROUND JFK REMEMBER HIM --------------
On November 22nd, 1963, my uncle, president John F. Kennedy, went to Dallas intending to condemn as "nonsense" the right-wing notion that "peace is a sign of weakness." He meant to argue that the best way to demonstrate American strength was not by using destructive weapons and threats but by being a nation that "practices what it preaches about equal rights and social justice," striving toward peace instead of "aggressive ambitions." Despite the Cold War rhetoric of his campaign, JFK's greatest ambition as president was to break the militaristic ideology that has dominated our country since World War II. He told his close friend Ben Bradlee that he wanted the epitaph [font color="blue"]"He kept the peace,"[/font color] and said to another friend, William Walton, [font color="blue"]"I am almost a 'peace at any price' president."[/font color] Hugh Sidey, a journalist and friend, wrote that the governing aspect of JFK's leadership was "a total revulsion" of war. Nevertheless, as James W. Douglass argues in his book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, JFK's presidency would be a continuous struggle with his own military and intelligence agencies, which engaged in incessant schemes to trap him into escalating the Cold War into a hot one. His first major confrontation with the Pentagon, the Bay of Pigs catastrophe, came only three months into his presidency and would set the course for the next 1,000 days. -- Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Nov. 20, 1963
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/john-f-kennedys-vision-of-peace-20131120
mountain grammy
(27,437 posts)Bang, bang, bang, bang... Four of our smartest and most popular leaders. After RFK was murdered, mom said they would line up all liberals and shoot us if they could. I can't see how anyone who grew up during that time wouldn't agree.
LBJ was a great liberal, but they destroyed him with the war that Kennedy wouldn't have been sucked into. Liberals were shattered and I don't think the movement has ever completely recovered.
Thanks for the links. Fascinating. I had forgotten about the "money trumps peace" remark.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)smallcat88
(426 posts)Why would he give a shit about anyone else? Don't know why news programs still put this idiot on and ask his opinion, he was wrong about absolutely everything! Calling him Darth Vader is too good for him - Vader was redeemed in the end. Cheney is the devil incarnate.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I lived in Minnesota while Jesse was The Governor.
He hired competent professionals to run the State...not cronies, and held them accountable.
Despite the self-promotion and theatrics, he did a decent job, and left the State of Minnesota in pretty good shape.
He certainly did a better than that doofus Republican Tim Pawlenty that followed him.
pengillian101
(2,351 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)I loved it.
There is a lot about Minnesota we miss.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)2nd party since the Democratic party merged with the Farmer-Labor Party in 1944. Ventura was a 'celebrity' candidate and never did anything to help the Reform Party in Minnesota.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The whole thing about 'Sept 11th changed everything' always struck me as total BS, except in describing how Republicans USED 9-11 fears to 'change everything' for the worse. Without 9/11/2001, I don't think Bush would have even had a second term. He was already tanking, and only the fearmongering and 'patriotism' crapola allowed him to get enough votes in 2004.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Minnesota could afford to have Ventura as governor as long as the economy was good and people had jobs. As soon as the economy was not robust, we could no longer afford to have a governor that did not work well with the legislature. He could not take any sort of criticism at all.
DonCoquixote
(13,746 posts)One of the great tragedies of our nation is that Perot and Ventura had a falling out. If perot built a cache of governors and congress people, we might have a third party.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)He be spending more time in a court room and less time being treated as an elder statesman on Sunday news shows.
H2O Man
(75,924 posts)Thank you for this!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
alato
(43 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)But probably it was from 20 something and the ass will probably outlive all of us!
Dog! What a horrible thought!
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)Marie Marie
(10,035 posts)Well said Jesse.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)Why don't you tell us how it is you really feel?
mvd
(65,539 posts)He does have instances of major truth telling. This is one of them!
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)At least Ventura stopped calling himself a Navy SEAL.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)"9/11 was MIHOP/LIHOP!" now and get away with it?
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Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)One hell of a rant. And all of it true.
Fuck Chickenhawk Dick!
madokie
(51,076 posts)I went through SERE School, stayed at said SERE School to help in training for a tour of duty then got my ass shipped off to Vietnam for 15 months and I agree with Jesse Ventura 100%. Navy man who never seen a ship, thats me.
I couldn't figure out why they were putting me through this SERE training, who did I piss off etc until after finishing and getting my certificate and everyone else got on the bus to leave and here I was left standing there wondering what about me. As the buses pulled away I realized that I was staying and then the picture came together of why I was there to begin with.
I don't agree with Jesse's opinion of our President. Rather I like my President very much thank you.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)but you have something on Jesse. You actually served in Vietnam. The closest Jesse (or Jim Janos) ever got to Vietnam were the whorehouses in the Philipines.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Many people fail both courses. The Navy its UDT, I guess BUDS is Army or Marine
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)The UDT teams were merged with the SEALS in 1983. My point was that for many years, including while he was governor, Ventura referred to himself as a former Navy SEAL. He could have transferred to a SEAL team and gone to Vietnam but he chose to remain in the UDTs. Passing the qualifications to become a UDT member was quite an accomplishment, as was passing SERE school.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,994 posts)"Isn't that right, DICK?" "Whatever you say, DICK."
Like him or not, Gov. "The Body" Ventura leaves little doubt on his positions.
AceAcme
(93 posts)Avoiding responsibility seems to be an article of faith for the Republican party. They just worship and salivate and butt-kiss their "leaders" who have avoided serving honorably, and somehow ducked military service with grab bag of dubious deferments, or shirked their sworn duty by going AWOL.
No way Republicans can claim the moral high ground while they continue their slavish worship of these feckless freaks and their misbegotten war profiteering by sending others people off to fight their oil-grab wars.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The Bush Administration has to be the very worst administration in American history. And that includes some bad fucking administrations.
And hey, not a fucking thing was done about it. President Obama won't even say, "But this deficit that you blame on me, it was because the Iraq War was "off the books", until I took office."
I guess the President is just being a gentleman, lol. President Obama's greatest accomplishment is how thoroughly he covered Bush and Cheney's butts.
malaise
(279,504 posts)from Jesse Ventura
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)the other daughter, the one that prefers women seems to be the total opposite. Cheney's wife appears to be just as crazy as he is.
underpants
(187,726 posts)Marking for later watch
Dawson Leery
(19,382 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Fred Gilmore
(80 posts)Nothing less, nothing more.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)water-board Cheney
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)Really? JESSE VENTURA
'nuff said