Please...Cut the Crap~

[sheshe2]

President Obama is Progressive. Here Are 245 Accomplishments So Far

It’s 2014, and once again, we have a very important election ahead of us. Yet, there are a lot of very loud progressives who have done nothing since President Obama was elected five years ago but complain, because he’s not perfect. They claim that he’s no progressive.

That’s a lie. What do these folks think “progressive” mean? The root word is “progress,” and we’ve seen a hell of a lot of progress since January 20, 2009. We have a national health care plan, for the first time in our history. We recovered from the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression in quick order; we would be well on our way to a full recovery, except that Republicans in Congress are blocking everything anyone in the Democratic Party proposes, out of fear that the first black president may actually look good. Yet, with all of that blockage of progress, some progressives still spend all of their time going after Obama and Democrats.

In addition to health care and the economy, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is history. Same-sex couples are getting married and enjoying the same benefits of other married couples. The marijuana prohibition is frittering away. The stock market has more than doubled. Manufacturing is starting to come back from Asia. The auto industry is not only whole again, but they’re producing a record number of hybrid and electric cars, and we’re on pace to double average vehicle gas mileage by 2020, even as the government both reduces our dependence on foreign oil and makes record investments in developing renewable energy sources.

Name a Republican – ANY Republican – who can boast of such a record, and perhaps then, you can complain about Obama not being “progressive” enough. He is as progressive as he can be, given that progressive complaints helped give him the current Republican House – A Republican House who can’t pass a universal gun background checks law that more than 90% of Americans support, including most gun owners. If you blame Obama or the minority Democratic Party for anything bad, you don’t understand how politics works. If you want progressive government, you can’t help elect the opposite to office.

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Read The List Here: http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

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Yes, on Democratic Underground I have the audacity to post his accomplishments. He is not a perfect man, I never thought he was, nor do I know anyone who is. We have a long way to go yet, which is why we need to GOTV 2014.

[Warpy]

1. He's been better than I expected

but I admit my bar was pretty low. I'd read his record very carefully and knew he was no liberal hero wearing a white hat. He's done as well as he's been allowed to do and that has been better than Democrats since LBJ.

The ACA kicked in too late for me, but I am grateful that it kicked in for my younger friends and acquaintances.

[Phlem]

240. He's been exactly what suspected.

-p

[L0oniX]

317. FOX NEWS - BREAKING: "progressive complaints helped give him the current Republican House"

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Obama is mostly center-right. On some issues he is left of center, cautiously left of center.

"We have a national health care plan" - well yes, as Obama himself noted we have Mitt Romney's and Bob Dole's idea of "national health care". We have the center-right version of national health care.

You can try awful hard to redefine what words mean, but when that is the core of your argument you just end up looking silly.

"See it is a duck after all, 'cause I just redefined 'duck' to include 'aquatic pigs' and while that pig isn't actually aquatic, heck its still a pig."

[villager]

4. Obama is a Rockefeller Republican, basically

And the current Republican party are all John Birchers.

Obama's no progressive, and no staunch fighter for liberal values. We don't need to delude ourselves, with all the work that's ahead of us.

[TDale313]

28. It's particularly unhelpful...

When Conservatives have spent the last 5+ years trying to redefine his Centrist views as the Far Left- shifting the political spectrum further Right and ignoring the fact that there is a large swath of people and opinions that are further to the Left. Let's not help them in redefining Left and Center.

[villager]

43. I agree... the "center" is where the "right" used to be...

...which allows some of the mythologizing of Obama's "liberality."

[Scuba]

64. And it's even less helpful when Democrats are complicit in this.

[Enthusiast]

272. There is a whole army of complicit Democrats.

If we were united in our criticism of the President it wouldn't be so easy for him to appoint Wall Street insiders, telecom insiders, Democrats that favor Republican policies toward education reform and actual Republicans to sensitive positions. And.......a bunch of other stuff.

I believe the President is far more responsible for our problems than Democrats will readily admit. It's his fault! Admit it! The buck stops with the President and the country is a fucking mess!

[MissDeeds]

285. Well said

Obama had an opportunity to steer the country away from the destructive policies of the Bush era, yet he adopted many of them as his own. He was carried into office on a wave of "hope and change" and had the opportunity to really do some good. Instead, the country is a mess and nowhere near where it should be at this point in his presidency.

[Rockyj]

356. Yes very well said!

[SomeGuyInEagan]

359. Yep.

When we were told to look forward instead of investigating war crimes, when Rahm called dismissed us immediately after the 2008 election, when Franken (bless him) had to browbeat Axelrod into getting some sort of AHA on the agenda while there was a Dem house and senate, it was obvious that we were not getting anyone close to what we needed.

[nikto]

106. Well said

[840high]

120. ...^ that

[MissDeeds]

284. Agree completely

Obama is no progressive - not by a long shot. Those of us who are progressives can recognize one when we see one. I really find it offensive that we are supposed to "cut the crap" to fit someone else's views.

[uponit7771]

293. Relatively speaking "Obama is no progressive" = uninformed of current opposition. Its like people...

... haven't figured out that FDR had an 70% progressive congress AVERAGE throughout his terms as president..

Obama maybe has 51%

[Rockyj]

355. Totally Agree!

[TDale313]

7. Well put.

Look, I understand the circumstances Obama's facing. But claiming he's particularly Progressive or Liberal is just not true. He's a Centrist. He ran as a Centrist, he governs as a Centrist. He's (ok, far) better than the craziest of Republicans, but I am a Liberal, and he and most of the Washington Dems are further Right than I'd like to see. That doesn't mean I'll be sitting out any votes, but I'm not gonna pretend they're actually where I'd like them to be on many, many issues.

[nikto]

109. The problem is...

That Centrism, on the important economic and foreign policy issues at least,
looks a whole lot like slow-motion Conservatism.

[TDale313]

144. Yeah, you're not wrong.

And where we're defining "center" has been drifting further and further to the right for quite a while now.

[A Simple Game]

151. I've often described it as the difference between driving toward the cliff at

100 mph with a Republican driving or at 50 mph with a Democrat driving. Both are headed in the same direction the only difference the amount of time it will take before we go over the cliff.

Are the people calling President Obama a liberal or progressive all young? Perhaps they don't know what a real liberal has for a moral compass?

[kenfrequed]

302. I dunno

Most of the young Democrats are far more progressive on economic and social issues than their parents. You might have seen a few of them involved in the occupy movement. When Democrats start to sell out or talk like Republicans the youth vote evaporates.

[woo me with science]

353. Not very slow lately.

It's not really conservatism, either. It's corporatism. We just associate corporatism with conservatism and Republicans, because the corporatists hijacked their party first.

None of the 99 percent, conservatives or liberals, are being represented by these corporate vipers. We are ALL being impoverished, and we are ALL being stripped of our Constitutional protections.

Just as Third Way Democrats lie and pretend to value traditional Democratic policy goals like social safety nets and public education and protecting the environment, corporate Republicans lie to their base and pretend to value traditional conservative positions like small government and individual liberty.

Then the corporatists in BOTH parties get into office and support everything nobody but the one percent wants: a mammoth, predatory corporate government, a surveillance state, and destruction/corporatization of social safety nets, schools, and the environment.

[Tommymac]

190. Bingo. [phone] n/t

[quinnox]

3. lol, more "the peoples view" nonsense

Obama is about as progressive as Joe Lieberman. But I guess it makes sense, Lieberman was his mentor in the senate apparently.

[sheshe2]

5. LOL...

More of your "Obama Sucks View".

[quinnox]

6. "the peoples spew" is full of it

[sheshe2]

12. Hmmmmmm~ and some at DU?

Bet you didn't even bother to read the list, quinnox.

[Andy823]

35. I doubt a lot of people read the list

Seems like some here can "only" see the negative in our president, and it's pretty obvious who they are by their posts. Every time a link is provided about the presidents accomplishments, the same people seem to jump in and point out all the "negative" things for us. It always makes be wonder why!

Nobody is perfect, and nobody can please all the people all of the time, it just isn't logical. It's still a fact that president Obama has done a lot of wonderful things since he was elected. I just wish the nay sayers, or the "doom and gloom" crowed could at least admit he has done a lot more than he seems to get credit for. I am sure that everyone on this board can point to things they disagree with him on, but damn where would we be today if had NOT been elected for 2 terms? Who else who ran against him could have done better?

[Louisiana1976]

57. +1 million

[sheshe2]

72. Thanks Andy, well said.

[Raine1967]

114. This blogger is not affiliated with the website you choose to use to dismiss the OP.

The link provided is not 'The peoples View' website. You comment just makes me believe that you are full of malaise. I don't believe if you care about anything at all that might be supportive of the president and I am inclined to believe you don't care either.

That said, do the research. Milt Shoot is not 'The peoples View' and he is not nonsense. There are some really smart people out there that don't believe that taking a poop in public gives them progressive creds.

[OnyxCollie]

228. Lieberman 2006: I Will Help Obama "Reach to the Stars"

Lieberman 2006: I Will Help Obama "Reach to the Stars"
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/08/31/lieberman-2006-i-will-help-obama-reach-to-the-stars

"As far as I'm concerned (Barack Obama) is a 'Baruch,' which means a blessing. He is a blessing to the United States Senate, to America, and to our shared hopes for better, safer tomorrows for all our families. The gifts that God has given to Barack Obama are as enormous as his future is unlimited. As his mentor, as his colleague, as his friend, I look forward to helping him reach to the stars and realize not just the dreams he has for himself, but the dreams we all have for him and our blessed country."

[freshwest]

8. How dare you post good news here?

[sheshe2]

14. I know, what was I thinking?

According to one poster I am posting "the peoples spew".

Thanks freshwest!

[Octafish]

9. Welfare for the Wealthy!

What happened to the New Deal for the 21st Century?

[YoungDemCA]

37. The New Deal didn't happen in a vacuum

nt

[Octafish]

281. Electoral mandate for change.

EVERYBODY was for him, apart from the VRC.

[1000words]

10. "Crap," indeed.

[sheshe2]

16. Yep, you didn't read it either, now did you...

Obama is a POS???? Really?

[1000words]

24. Not Obama ...

The article. It's source. The OP.

The notion President Obama is a progressive is laughable.

[frylock]

88. you're not going to bully any progressives into clicking the link to that shit blog..

that fucking worthless asshole was PPR'd for shitting all over liberals.

[sheshe2]

100. Is that a threat?

[sheshe2]

112. wow, you are so pleasant.

have a great day.

[Enthusiast]

273. +1 an entire shit load.

[Raine1967]

115. Milt Shook was PPR'd?

The link is to another sight, not the 'The peoples view'

maybe I am missing something, but I think this is the second time someone confused the link in the OP with "TPPV"

ETA:  I don't think he was ever here to begin with.

[frylock]

121. yeah, my mistake..

however, this guy appears to believe that progressives stayed home in 2010, and for that he can piss off.

on edit: just took a quick look at his blog, and I have to reiterate that this asshole can fuck right off. just another "leftist" engaging in more hippy punching. fuck that shit.

[Raine1967]

125. Ahhh. ok, all good.

Sorry to be so defensive.

Milt isn't a bad guy. he's really good at research.

[frylock]

127. he seems to be blaming the left because people aren't enthused about voting for right-wing policy

[Raine1967]

130. Not at all.

he is calling out people who don't want to see what POTUS has done.

There is a difference.

[Cha]

139. No, Milt Shook isn't "PPR'd".. you're fucking wrong. "Bully any "progressives"? Fuck you talkin'

about? She's not the "bully" around here.

[sheshe2]

150. They seem to have my link confused with the Peoples View.

Guess that happens when they don't read the link. Sigh~

thanks Cha!

[Cha]

179. That's what happens when you knee jerk.

she

[WorseBeforeBetter]

283. Well, it is almost impossible to tell all those Crap Blogs apart.

Blah, blah, Obama rawks! blah, blah, blahbedity blah, progressives suck! Except when we declare that Obama is progressive! blah, blah.

But I am truly impressed at the sheer number of them. And how they're trotted out at DU to, I don't know? Turn this place into a Sensible Centrist paradise? It hasn't worked.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

296. I think you'll appreciate this... post #235.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4975231

Spamdan, Milt, Nance, that hissy fit chick... they're all cut from the same swath.

[Cha]

11. Yes, you're quite Audacious, she!

lol..


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Mahalo for the OP, she~ GOTV2014

[Mojorabbit]

17. Defending everything he does does not help anything

except suppress the vote. If everyone makes excuses for everything he does because he has a D after his name when they would be screaming if a republican did it..then what is the point? Nothing will change will it?

[sheshe2]

29. Let's turn that around for a second...

Slamming him for everything is not helping one damn bit. Never being able to come up with one thing that he has done right, without a qualifier that it wasn't good enough.

Many here seem to unwilling or unable to understand that he has to follow the letter of the law. Many here do not seem to understand that it is the House that makes the laws not the President. Many here think that he can wave a magic wand and make it so. Really?!

There is a huge amount of bashing of Democrats here. Members of AA, HOF, LGBT and members that Some here do not deem to be "True Progressives" I have no intention of being the left of the left of the left. That is extremist. This is what is not helpful! As Democrats we need to work together, for everyone's ideas and ideals.

[Cha]

31. Well said, she.. and of course some examples have already found their

way to your thread.

[sheshe2]

56. So true Cha!

Surprise, not~

[Mojorabbit]

38. Questioning some decisions of our politicians is not left of the left

It is being a good citizen. Those who do not seem to have integrity or principles and defend everything these politicians do when they would be screaming if a republican did it are killing the party not helping it. We have to stand for something or why should anyone vote for us?

[Logical]

47. LOL, who slams him for EVERYTHING? Names and links please. nt

[madfloridian]

91. We all know who is included when you speak of bashing Democrats. I agree with mojorabbit.

I am one of those. I do not think any of us should be defending the dismantling and ridicule of the public school system.

I think ignoring his policies is not an option.

I have never been a "hater" or a "basher" or anything like that. Yet I know I am lumped in that category with anyone else who questions.

It's quite belittling and insulting.

[nikto]

137. And bad schools policy is far from the only one He pushes

Read my other posts on this thread for more info.

[Phlem]

48. Dude, your talking to a wall.

See the reply, nothing goes in but everything comes out.
"let's turn that around" because they refuse to see it any other way. It's embarrassing.

[sheshe2]

74. LOL~

Sure, that can be said back at ya too.

Dude, your talking to a wall.

See the reply, nothing goes in but everything comes out.
"let's turn that around" because they refuse to see it any other way. It's embarrassing.

[Phlem]

157. you've done this already.

[sheshe2]

197. Show me your badge to prove to me that you are the internet police.

Or are you just the board nanny here Phlem.

[Phlem]

211. The internet police!?

That's rich! See this fucking OP!

[madfloridian]

93. I agree, Mojo.

[cheapdate]

204. Would we be "screaming" if a Republican administration

challenged restrictive voting laws all across the country as the Holder DOJ has done? Would we be screaming if a Republican president ordered the government to extend benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees? Would we be screaming if a Republican president fought for passage of the DREAM Act and then order the INS to cease deportations of immigrants brought to the country as minors? Would we be screaming if a Republican president invested a record amount of money on alternative and renewable energy, finalized EPA mercury emission standards, began regulating greenhouse gas emissions as a public health hazard, toughened CAFE standards for fuel efficiency, and stepped back from calls for military action in Syria, Iran, Ukraine and elsewhere?

There's a reason that conservatives hate this president.

Like sheshe said, he ain't perfect and he ain't as liberal or progressive as the typical DUer.

[sheshe2]

18. Well done!

Perfect graphic for all those that are planning to sit out the vote 2014.

GOTV 2014 indeed~

And thanks Cha~

[Cha]

20. Thank you,

she

[Phlem]

50. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

That's fucking hilarious! +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 on the comedy!

[sheshe2]

75. You crack me up too~

[Phlem]

160. Actually, that was not the message but sure,

misrepresent again, your on a roll!

[sheshe2]

191. Nah....

I didn't misrepresent any thing, I was just having some fun with you Phlem.

[Gothmog]

184. Great post

The right to vote is being challenged and this is an important election

[Cha]

187. Thank you, Gothmog, Exactly True!

[SidDithers]

13. DU rec...

'cause it's gonna piss off all the right people.

Sid

[sheshe2]

21. Weeeeeellllllllllll~

Ya!

[Skidmore]

62. she, where did you find that kid?

She's got a righteous hissyfit going? Dog looks like he's used to it. Too funny.

[sheshe2]

68. I found her on the inter tubes, Skidmore :)

[SidDithers]

77. Awesome...

looks like some of the replies in this thread.



Sid

[sheshe2]

84. I know....

[Bobbie Jo]

172. Perfect.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

15. What's he running for now?

Or is this just pointless meta?

[Phlem]

51. pretty much pointless meta.

-p

[sheshe2]

80. Yes, all pointless META...

Enhanced Civil Rights and Anti-Discrimination

55. Along with Congressional Democrats, advocated for and signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity. http://bit.ly/gsMSJ7

56. Pushed through, signed and demanded the Pentagon enact a repeal of the discriminatory “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy that forced soldiers to lie in order to be eligible to fight for their country, and put our troops at risk by disqualifying many qualified soldiers from helping. http://bit.ly/fdahuH http://bit.ly/mZV4Pz

64. Signed the Democratic-sponsored Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers. This was after the GOP blocked the bill in 2007. Only 5 Republican Senators voted for the bill. http://bit.ly/fT3Cxg

65. Signed two executive orders that mirror provisions of the Paycheck Fairness Act, because the GOP Congress refuses to pass it. It makes is possible for employees to talk about their salaries without retaliation, and orders salary data collection. These measures will make it harder for employers to pay women less. http://huff.to/1nwVOWf

66. Expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act. http://1.usa.gov/dSbI0x


http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

Guess none of these accomplishments mean anything to you or a loved one. It's just all pointless to you. Now that's just sad, Phlem.

[Phlem]

161. Don't forget to wear your vest of badges!

You've got to represent!

!

[sheshe2]

206. Wow, guess you don't care.

You have some sort of problem with people supporting LGBT rights? That amuses you? Wow that is 7 badges that you gave me. Are those my girl scout badges? You think that's funny?

And I also listed women's equal pay acts and violence against women, you think that's funny too? Have you ever suffered from marital violence? well I have and survivors are not amused. Make into a joke cause that's all you got!

See whats funny here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024973535#post80

[Phlem]

218. " Have you ever suffered from marital violence?"

Actually yes. My dimwit NJ father in law, retired Tech Sargent, alcoholic Step Father beat my mother but mostly me. He was in the army while in the Phililpines and married my (I have no words) mother, whom shit on the kids me being the first. I have the PTSD to prove it. He quit hitting my mother but totally focused on me after that. Let's say around 16 I almost beat him to death after a brief 1 or 2 second blackout, but chose instead to get up and walk away. He was sent to jail for something he might have done to my sister but got out on a technicality and that's when I moved out of the house with nothing cause there would be blood.

How you doin?



-p

PS.. I have been diagnosed with Hyper Vigilance Disorder and my therapist say's it's a fucking gift because I can see things happening a mile away. I knew he was dishonest with the "I'm a new Democrat" line, mostly because he sprung it during his acceptance speech. It's been downhill ever since. But you go on girl! You tell me what it's all about!

[sheshe2]

226. If you remember I asked you

at the bottom of post 80

Guess none of these accomplishments mean anything to you or a loved one. It's just all pointless to you. Now that's just sad, Phlem.

I also asked you if this was all pointless META.

Instead of just saying that yes these things did cause you pain, you snarked at me. Maybe that is your way of coping, but don't come back at me for not understanding why you made a joke out of it.

I am sorry for what you suffered, yet you still try to make fun of people with the embarrassed smiley face.

[Number23]

254. I was just about to point out the NUMEROUS times that person has felt compelled to respond

within this OP and then I just saw that he had a post hidden.

Apparently that is the only way to get some people here to stop relentlessly trolling a thread. And I dame sure hope that the admins are taking notice.

[sheshe2]

259. Well Phelm was right about one thing Number23.

I am on a roll tonight. I had 2 other equally nasty posts to me tonight hidden on another thread. I checked their profile, they are under review.

I too hope the admins are keeping a watchful eye. I know MIRT is, I alerted on an OP about ProSense last week, it was the second one in an hour. Then I wrote to someone in Mirt, they said they had it covered.

This place is getting sad, as you well know.

[Number23]

261. Threads like this sure as hell show who the unhinged bullies are around here

And the really out of control, really blatant Obama haters. The fact that someone feels the need to post damn near 20 times in a Obama supporting OP they claim to despise is not the mark of someone acting in good faith.

And I think it's just as Tarheel_Dem said: some of these folks appear to have lost it since the Big Rally was a colossal fail.

[woo me with science]

331. Actually, they show

how absurd and dishonest messaging on political discussion boards has become now that we have corporate-purchased political parties that invest in propaganda machines.

[Number23]

371. Yes, the folks doing the absurd messaging have made themselves ABUNDANTLY obvious

You can spot them with their spittle flecked screams of "propaganda" at everything that tries to inform them that they don't know what they are talking about.

[woo me with science]

372. Look out, more incoming Third Way "progressivism":

It just keeps coming and coming and coming...

Obama Administration To Reveal Justification For Drone Strikes On U.S. Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024979665

This Trade Deal Will Make You Sick, Maybe Give You Mad Cow Disease…Or Kill You Fast
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024979506

Read The Secret Trade Memo Calling For More Fracking and Offshore Drilling (TTIP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024975916

White House Pushing for Telecom Immunity in NSA Reforms
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024913407

Bill Moyers blisters Obama for abandoning his net neutrality promises
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024902910

Obama administration quietly approves new Obamacare loophole benefiting insurance companies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024970298

White House opens door to tolls on interstate highways, another nickel-and-diming of the 99 percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024892605

The Obama administration's jaw-dropping military expansion in Africa
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4977196

The Powerful Forces Shredding Our Constitution: "The Rise of the American Corporate Security State"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024978717

[Number23]

374. Look out! More impotent posturing and blue links!

It just keeps coming and coming. And getting completely ignored and dismissed by oh, EVERYBODY. Hence the spittle flecked screeching in the first place.

[sheshe2]

335. Wow just rereading this morning.

I am now with 4 posts hidden against me and wow some nasty words. Yes, this is no longer a discussion board, it's a bully board. And it is becoming outright cruel.

Sigh, maybe Tarheel_Dem does have a point. The Obama hate is now fully out of control.

Good thing I am off to work soon. Thanks Number23.

[winter is coming]

341. Wow, who knew that a clumsy attempt to redefine "progressive" would draw scathing replies?

Or that, yet again, a DUer would mistake disagreement with the President's policies as "hate". I guess that word's been redefined, too.

[sheshe2]

342. Said by many that didn't bother to even read the article.

pro·gres·sive
prəˈgresiv/Submit
adjective
1.
happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.
"a progressive decline in popularity"
synonyms: continuing, continuous, increasing, growing, developing, ongoing, accelerating, escalating; More
(of a disease or ailment) increasing in severity or extent.
"progressive liver failure"
(of taxation or a tax) increasing as a proportion of the sum taxed as that sum increases.
"steeply progressive income taxes"
(of a card game or dance) involving a series of sections for which participants successively change place or relative position.
archaic
engaging in or constituting forward motion.
2.
(of a group, person, or idea) favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
"a relatively progressive governor"
favoring or promoting change or innovation.
"a progressive art school"
synonyms: modern, liberal, advanced, forward-thinking, enlightened, enterprising, innovative, pioneering, dynamic, bold, avant-garde, reforming, reformist, radical; More
antonyms: conservative, reactionary
relating to or denoting a style of rock music popular especially in the 1980s and characterized by classical influences, the use of keyboard instruments, and lengthy compositions.
3.
GRAMMAR
denoting an aspect or tense of a verb that expresses an action in progress, e.g., am writing, was writing.
noun
noun: progressive; plural noun: progressives; noun: progressive proof; plural noun: progressive proofs
1.
a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
synonyms: innovator, reformer, reformist, liberal, libertarian More

https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#q=progressive+define

some of the first few were out of the starting gate came out swing and accusing. thought this was posted from The Peoples View when it was not. never bothered with any facts just swinging there fists. nor bothering to actually read the whole OP.

gotta run to work, no time for more.

[winter is coming]

344. Misapplying words that already have broadly known political connotations is absurd. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

345. She, I am so sorry you're being personally attacked this way. They are going after you with the....

same venom they normally reserve for ProSense. Wear it as a badge of honor. They wouldn't bother you, if you weren't having an effect. I, and so many others, appreciate what you bring to DU, and that goes for ProSense as well.

Keep on keepin' on my sister. And here's hoping they're all "under review" by now, and may all the bullies soon be exiled to Digustingest.

[sheshe2]

346. Such kind words to go off to work with.

Thanks Tarheel_Dem, work should be a breeze today after being here.

I'm with you sister Gotta run~

[Tarheel_Dem]

349. Have an excellent day!

[1000words]

246. Pity post #227 was hidden.

No mind, this one is going to leave a mark.

[Sheepshank]

78. I'm assuming you have the same question of all posts slamming Obama?

no? Figured.

[freshwest]

155. Can't refute, so disses PBO and Sheshe. Most likely didn't read the link. Energy expended already:

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

170. Whatever.

I know whenever someone goes around accusing other people of 'hate', 99 times out of 100, they're bad faith actors who thrive on drama and divisive fighting.

I didn't bother to 'refute' anything because I didn't bother to read anything. These sorts of posts are all the same, and as I noted, pointless now that he's not running for any further office. They won't change a damned thing, other than to give metawarriors jollies.

[Bobbie Jo]

173. Yet....

Here you are.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

174. Boredom drives people to terrible things.

Like this OP.

Still, I'm not bored enough to actually participate in the wankery of fighting over the merits of the President, just to be mildly amused that people are still flogging the dead horse after his final election.

[Bobbie Jo]

175. Uhuh

Above it all, etc....

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

178. Nope, just burned out on it all.

I played the Obama pie war games with other folks online the first four years. After the election, it simply didn't matter any more. No matter what opinion people want to hold on him, it no longer has any effect on actual politics. You can't hold politicians accountable anymore when they're term limited out and in their final term. They can do whatever they want and don't have to care what anyone thinks.

[Bobbie Jo]

181. Yet again....

Here you are, smack dab in the middle of this one. How many posts does it take to communicate your boredom and contempt?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

188. I dunno, how many times are you going to try to bait me into responding?

If you don't want me to reply why do you keep asking me questions?

To make you happy, I'll ignore your next feeble attempt to troll me and give you the last word.

[Bobbie Jo]

194. Fine

I'm not the one complaining and carrying on about how above it all I am here.

Sounds like "useless meta" to me.

Baiting, indeed.....

[Tarheel_Dem]

348. Bobbie Jo, you handled that subthread with such skill & acumen! Hats off to you.

"Yet again....
Here you are, smack dab in the middle of this one. How many posts does it take to communicate your boredom and contempt?"

[sheshe2]

367. Well done Bobbie Jo!

[sheshe2]

215. No they didn't freshwest ,,,cause they

weren't going to read no stinking link from The Peoples View. It was pointed out to me that one member was PP'Red for posting from there!!

Funny thing is my OP is from the blog Please ...Cut the Crap by blogger Milt Shoot. Oooopsie! Their bad.

[freshwest]

239. There is a negative attitude that gets tiresome. When the first thing is an attack on a member...

The rest doesn't mean much. But this isn't one poster acting this way, it's a common practice.

It's 'paralyzingly dull, boring and tedious' to get such responses that don't add anything to a thread, proving nothing but a desire to disrupt speaking or doing things:

Paralyzing

To bring (a system, place, or organization) to a standstill by causing disruption or chaos.

Why bother to not read a link, but dismiss a subject and more important the person that brings it up? Is it a sense of entitlement to dump on other people? Exactly what does that accomplish IRL?

I suspect it does nothing.

This thread is remarkable in the number of ignorant attacks on you, et al. And deriding the source of the list is ignorant, animus not related to a source, but hateful toward you personally. One implying you will be banned.

For what? Why so much hate directed toward anyone here?

ProSense gave her links, so it's on many websites. They will not be read by those desperately trying to hide the news of what good Obama has done for the country. One can speculate on the real reasons, but I don't choose to do so.

In the long run, we know it is not even PBO or you that is being attacked, it is his and your ideas and values that are being shit upon, but it's hidden in code words and verbiage.

We know what is going on in a lot of places. Sad that they are coming here to shut up anything good.

Some have objected to PBO being POTUS since 2008 and have never ever accepted him as POTUS. An example, all the way back ot 2009, of the non-thinking, repetition, repeating culture:

Nattering Nabobs of Negativism...

http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.com/2009/10/assclowns-of-week-78-nattering-nabobs.html

Enough of the 'Nattering Nabobs of Negativism,' who won't listen to facts. No respect for science, logic, reason, education, freedom of the mind or other people's rights to their own views.

That is the first key to understand the POV from anyone who begins by being rude, dismissive or disrespecting others. The rest follows in that line.

Just let it go...

[sheshe2]

340. Thanks for your words freshwest.

Whisp made a comment below that I find appropriate. When you mention Obama's accomplishments here, it's like a Backdraft, it sucks all the air out of the room and then explodes into a raging fire.

Good thing I am heading to work, less tension there.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

167. Don't recall having read any lately.

Was this meta in response to somebody else's meta?

[Major Hogwash]

158. It can't be pointless meta. Because that was just a forum for snide remarks at other DU members.

No one was ever banned from DU for making snide remarks about President Obama.

[progressoid]

19. Wow.

"that progressive complaints helped give him the current Republican House"

-Bullshit.

"If you want progressive government, you can’t help elect the opposite to office. "

-We didn't. But thanks for the pep talk.

[G_j]

22. didn't appreciate that either, sounds very familiar

and it's a deliberate lie.

[Maedhros]

27. Some people so desperately want Obama to be what they imagine him to be.

It's a natural consequence of "personality politics."

[NanceGreggs]

39. You're exactly right.

Some people so desperately want Obama to be what they imagine him to be - a miserable failure who has accomplished nothing worthwhile.

That, too, is a natural consequence of "personality politics" ...

[Maedhros]

53. I judge the President on his policy positions, most of which I find offensive.

e.g. Drone warfare, indefinite detention, execution without due process, coddling Wall Street, ignoring war crimes, excessive secrecy, criminalization of adversarial journalism, etc.

No amount of cajoling will turn this President into anything remotely representing a "Progressive." Just like when whack job RW nuts call him a "Socialist", I implore them to be objective and admit that Obama governs from the moderate Right. Similar objective analysis is called for from the ostensible Left.

[Sheepshank]

76. disingenious at best.

laughably and pathertically dripping with "sore loser" on the other end of the spectrum. You hit all of the *yawn* well used and over used bullet points. How unique and clever.

Lets do this...you found MOST of his policy positions offensive? Because I know you really know all of the policy positions of Obama, and even more importantly you know exactly how Obama really feels about all of them, right?...so then you imply there are a straggling few policies that were tolerable, and maybe evern fewer that were actually amazing. Care to name one you liked in some amazing fashion?

[Phlem]

164. Lame at best.

His bright shiny must blind you to the obvious.

Drones, TTP, the sinking of the middle class and the boom of the 1%. Yea he's fucking perfect.

[uponit7771]

294. ... and another person who wants to act like the Tea Party doesn't exist

[Sheepshank]

308. Hey, Phlem

still avoiding the question and making up shit as some sort of diversionary response. NO ONE said anything about perfection. Your insults are inane. "bright shiney"? Really, vocalizing your shallow perception is pretty laughable.

[NanceGreggs]

83. And you judge all Obama supporters

as being victims of "personality politics".

It doesn't seem to occur to you, or those like you, that his supporters are satisfied overall with his performance as POTUS. That is most likely because we went into this presidency knowing that no one man or woman is ever going to do every single thing exactly as we would do them, or want them done.

For all of the raving by some that Obama supporters thought they were electing a messiah who would never make a decision or implement a policy that any of them disagreed with, it seems obvious that it's the anti-Obamans (for want of a better term) who still believe there is ONE perfect president out there who will govern 100% as they wish him/her to.

Obama supporters appear to be the realists here. They knew they were electing a human being with flaws and foibles, one who would make decisions they disagreed with, one who would never please all of the people all of the time - and recognized that doing so is simply impossible.

The term "progressive" has lost all meaning on DU. It has become a label that people affix to themselves, or accuse others of not being when they are disagreed with.

Unfortunately, there are too many here who spend the better part of their time putting meaningless labels on Obama, or each other - not as part of a meaningful discussion, but in lieu of it.

I supported Obama because I believed him to be the right man for the job, and still believe that wholeheartedly. I did not vote for a label - especially one that is applied or denied based solely on who's in charge of the Label-Maker on a website.

[Maedhros]

94. Some things cannot be condoned simply for the reason of supporting the President.

NSA mass surveillance.

Execution of American citizens without due process.

Drone strikes that kill innocent women and children for no defensible reason.

Indefinite detention of terrorist suspects.

Criminalization of adversarial journalism.

These aren't just bad policies, they are policies that degrade the very foundation of our Republic. Those of us concerned with the rule of law, civil rights and opposing needless war need to stand up and tell the Administration they are wrong for doing these things. Silence implies acceptance.

You want me to stay silent on these issues because you perceive speaking up about them to be an attack on Obama. Yes, he has achieved some positive results, but the impact of those positive results does not come close to balancing out the truly scary things he does - for example, ramping up military operations in Africa by 217% since he took office.

[NanceGreggs]

146. Paranoid much?

Another classic DU-ism: If someone disagrees with you in any way, that means they are "trying to silence you", or they "want you to stay silent".

I see it every day. Post: "I don't agree with your position." Reply: "Don't tell me to STFU!"

Exactly where did I (a) tell you to stay silent, or (b) express that Iwant you to stay silent?

Oh, that's right - I didn't do either. But please feel free to go right ahead and pretend that's what I said.

"Some things cannot be condoned simply for the reason of supporting the President."

One can easily support a presidency overall without 'condoning' every statement made, every decision reached, every action taken. And if you think that there will ever be a POTUS who does exactly what you want him to do 24/7, one who will agree with your every position, one who will never do anything you find to be contrary to your views, feel free to go out and find him/her. I'm sure your messiah is out there somewhere.

[Maedhros]

154. It's clear that supporting the Presidency is your priority.

Mine is to support progressive policy and oppose bad policy.

When the President does the former, I support him. When he does the latter, I do not.

I can't help the frequency with which either one happens.

[NanceGreggs]

162. Clairvoyant as well?

"It's clear that supporting the Presidency is your priority."

I forgot one of the other popular DU memes: "knowing" what someone's priorities are based on their posts on a message board.

[Fumesucker]

242. You started the clairvoyance thing in post 169

And now you get indignant about the person you did it to doing it right back at you.

[NanceGreggs]

250. Reply #169

was posted by someone else.

[Fumesucker]

252. My mistake I meant 146 where you said "Paranoid much"

I was interrupted by my dogs during the post and got the number wrong

[NanceGreggs]

253. No prob - I figured it was something like that.

I mentioned 'paranoia' because when someone states that someone who disagrees with him is "trying to silence him" or "wants him to be silent", when no such comment was made to them or about them, they sound extremely paranoid.

Pretty simple stuff.

[woo me with science]

329. You have no argument here.

You realize that, right?

[Maedhros]

324. Your posts are empty.

/ignore.

[MissDeeds]

287. +10000

Well said!

[sheshe2]

145. The Democratic Party

is a diverse group of people. We come from all walks of life. We have many different skin colors and religious backgrounds. We believe in all the people and that's how we must govern. For all the people.

We must be diverse in our thinking to make it work. We needs to share ideas and work together to make it happen. There can never be one single standard to live by.

Nor can one person make it happen on their own. You don't win an election and then walk away awaiting all that change to just land in your lap. It is work and it is hard. Together we can make it better.

I am pleased with the progress that we have made with this President. Some has come in painfully small baby steps, yet it is changing. If we had not had the GOP obstruction and down right hate of this President, we would be seeing a lot more. We need to vote in 2014 with our collective voices.

Thanks Nance, it is always great to see you.

[A Simple Game]

153. Welcome back, haven't seen you here in quite awhile.

I remember how much you invested into Senator Obama, I can't imagine you would ever admit you were wrong. Is that why you left DU for so long?

You must be having nightmares about the 2016 Presidential election, Hillary being the odds on favorite and all. I remember you being particularly vicious toward her back in 2008.

Some of us have long memories.

[NanceGreggs]

216. Oh, I was wrong about Obama ...

... as things turned out, as he has far exceeded even my lofty expectations.

I was a great admirer of Hillary before her 2008 campaign - and returned to being so after she conceded. In fact, it was I who posted the time-honoured *** Official Kudos to Hill *** DU post after her concession speech, and raved about how gracious she was, and how passionate about us pulling together to support Obama.

Her last presidential campaign, however, was - IMHO - a disaster. I suspect she won't make the same mistakes a second time. And if she's the nominee, she has my support and my vote.

I left DU when it ceased being a site for supporting Democrats, and a sanctuary from right-wing BS. Sadly, those days are long gone.

Thanks for the 'welcome back', but I'm just passin' through ...

[A Simple Game]

334. Glad to hear you are passin' through. n/t

[Phlem]

165. yep he can do no wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1024&pid=4719

[NanceGreggs]

219. And yet another DU cliche ...

... makes its inevitable appearance.

"All Obama supporters think he can do no wrong."

Isn't it about time you guys came up with some new talking points? The old ones are getting a bit raggedy around the edges.

[Phlem]

220. ...

[Phlem]

223. Ok then

because your posts don't drip with that.

[Phlem]

225. good by Nancy

My life has no time for willful ignorance.

[Bobbie Jo]

236. lol

Nah...too easy.

[Enthusiast]

274. Thank you for the accuracy.

+1

[sheshe2]

59. Thanks for turning that one around on them Nance. nt

[Cha]

67. Precisesly, Nance.. so true, I see it everyday.. thank you. nm

[G_j]

97. No real liberal desperately wants Obama to fail.

if they are liberal goals he is trying to accomplish.

[OnyxCollie]

233. Well, he signed the NDAA and he's got a drone assassination program.

Obama's DoJ won't prosecute torturers, and the CIA is blocking a torture investigation.

Just a few of Obama's very real accomplishments, which some would like to pretend never happened.

[Enthusiast]

275. Plus one a whole bunch.

[L0oniX]

310. Lots of imagination here...

The record shows aggressive, proactive pursuit of a corporate agenda...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3152360

...in every policy area important to the One Percent.

This list does not show the President trying to enact a more liberal agenda and being obstructed. It shows him working aggressively and proactively, over and over again, to install corporatists into his administration and to enact a corporate agenda.

Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again, including major appointments like:
A serial defender of corrupt bankers for the SEC; the architect of "Kill Lists" and supporter of torture, drone wars, and telecom immunity for the CIA; and a Monsanto VP who has lied and been involved in extremely disturbing claims regarding food safety for the FDA. An Attorney General who has not prosecuted a single large bank but wages war against medical marijuana users and *for* strip searches and warrantless surveillance of Americans. Tim Geithner. And now Penny Pritzker.
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal by Obama's DOJ to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
signing NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public advocacy for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Supporting and signing Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legal immunity for telecoms/warrantless wiretapping
Support of legislation to legalize massive surveillance of Americans
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Failing to veto a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans
Bush tax cuts extended for billionaires, them much of it made permanent
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with No mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Advocacy of multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools
Entrenchment of exorbitant for-profit health insurance companies into healthcare, through mandate
Legal assault on union rights of hundreds of thousands of federal workers
New policies of targeting children and first responders in drone campaigns,
New policies of awarding medals for remote drone attacks,
Appointment of private prison executive to head the US Marshal's office
Massive escalation of federal contracts for private prisons under US Marshall's Office


Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Obama Appoints Bain Capital Consultant Jeff Ziets to Top Post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662209

Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

White House: No Subsidies for Union Health Plans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014594512

Wall Street Deregulation Garners Bipartisan Support Despite Devastating JPMorgan Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/wall-street-deregulation-_n_2910168.html

The USDA’s Reckless Plan to Decrease Food Safety
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023670859

This is a complete list of Wall Street CEOs prosecuted for their role in the financial crisis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3653154

Wall Street will get away with massive wave of criminality of 2008 - Statute of Limitations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022516719Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022246632

Obama Orders Pay Raise For Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095402

Why is Social Security Under Attack from Obama, when it ADDS NOTHING to the deficit???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022065493

The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022246632

Guess what? Chained CPI is the bright idea of Third Way, the (Corporate) Dem "policy shop."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022021626

...Obama explicitly campaigned on opposing Social Security cuts -- and he just endorsed them (AGAIN)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022019860

Obama's Promises on Social Security: His OWN WORDS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022031544

Bernie Sanders: Chained CPI: An Economic and Moral Disaster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022381690

wall street pulls the strings: social security under attack in february
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022155427

Obama signs bill cutting 2.2 billion from food stamps
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x309

Obama's New Treasury Secretary Pushes Austerity That Spreads Global Misery
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022652850

Obama appointed Alan Simpson & Erskine Bowles to his goddamned catfood commission...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022633714

Why does President Obama keep Appointing Monsanto Shills to Key Gov. Positions?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022592785

Penny Pritzker..The Subprime Queen...Obama's Pick for Dept. of Commerce
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101665148

Obama's Betrayal of Public Education, Arne Duncan and the Corporate Model of Schooling
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x366410

How can we NOT feel betrayed? These are just ONE day's headlines:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x366410

Obama Approves New Cross-Border Pipeline Benefiting Canadian Oil Sand Producers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112758698

Pres. Obama: Why are you pushing the Koch Supported Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023563816

The Trans-Pacific Partnership: A Global Attack by the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101634573

TPP: A pact designed to increase the wealth and power of crony capitalists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023936342

The Obama administration's legal battle against whistleblowers, federal unions.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022672473

Obama’s Escalating War on Freedom of the Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312251

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531

Former Top NSA Official: “We Are Now In A Police State”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024197266

Obama administration asserts that NSA spying cannot be challenged in court
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023296209

The Obama administration is aggressively growing private prisons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2670142

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC -- article from '06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

You do know how the DLC/Third Way was formed? (corporate money, corporate infiltration)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024150961

Third Way VP indicates they fear Elizabeth Warren's influence on the party.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024168867

Majority of Third Way support from Wall Street
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024164622

The Democratic Party's deceitful game
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3928692

[laundry_queen]

375. +1 nt

[frylock]

89. that blog exists with the sole purpose of shitting on progressives

[Skittles]

123. yes, it is complete and total bullshit

and stuff like that makes them sound very foolish indeed

[L0oniX]

306. "them"? Oh ...I think I know. They don't need our votes anymore.

[Rex]

385. Yeah Same Shit Different Day.

I really sucks when peoples only goal is to make DU suck. I agree. Wow.

[classof56]

23. Thanks, she, for this post.

Another reminder of what an awesome President we're privileged to have in office, and what he's accomplished against such incredible odds. I honestly wish I understood what Republicans want. It's getting more and more confusing with each passing day. Gotta stay strong, huh?

Thanks for being here!

[Louisiana1976]

61. Well said.

[classof56]

222. Thanks, Louisiana 1976

Appreciate that. I like your avatar. When my daughter (now in her 40s) was young, she always had her nose in a book, so I bought her a framed print of "Young Girl Reading". She still has it. The other day I told her it should be updated to "Young Girl Reading Her Kindle". Guess I taught her well!

Best!

[sheshe2]

217. Well said classof56!

We're here together!

[Demo_Chris]

25. Obama is to progressivism what the ACLU is to the NSA. nt

[Phlem]

52. nice.

[Major Hogwash]

163. We could be in the middle of John McCain's 2nd term if Obama had not won in 2008.

But, that probably never occurred to you.

[Demo_Chris]

243. And McCain, like Obama, would be doing EXACTLY what his corporate owners directed...

When the an industry gives money to both parties they are BUYING both parties. It's not a deal where purchased Dems toe the line while Repubs get to collect corporate cash and do whatever they like. Obama does not work for you, he works for them. Obama made these corporations some HUGE promises, and I suspect he has kept every single one. McCain would have done so as well.

[rynestonecowboy]

247. If only.

You can't see the Forrest through the trees much like many of your other comrades. I am too a raging liberal but as I grow older I understand that it takes incremental steps to get anything accomplished. He has disappointed me many times but in the long run he has changed the direction of our country. We all know that there was no way for him to win other than to take some dark money. The only difference is Barack has any sort of moral compass compared to his competition. Once again, I am as bleeding heart of a liberal as they get and it doesn't take a f*cking genius to know that if he was to go super progressive that no sort of left leaning politician would get elected to the presidency anytime soon and therefore shift policy to the left.

It's a war of attrition.

[sheshe2]

264. Obama=Mcain

Democrats =Republican

Got it! Both parties are the same. Yee ha! Gotta love DU!

Great stuff D_C! You suspect that Obama kept every promise to these huge corporations....I don't suppose you have a link to that?!

Gotta love how DU is supporting Democrats these days.

[tabbycat31]

316. With Obama, Sarah Palin is not anywhere near a position of power

That is a major difference.

McCain would have escalated the war in Iraq and we probably would have bombed a dozen countries by now
McCain would not have passed ACA
McCain would not have nominated judges to SCOTUS that would have struck down DOMA
A McCain administration would put Citizens United on steroids
Don't Ask Don't Tell would be alive and well


This is just what I can think of off the top of my head.

[woo me with science]

26. War is Peace!

[Phlem]

176. Glad to see you friend

If your not with us, you're against us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man! This the Repub play book. They hold their politicians larger than life and worship them no matter what and now they've got the Democrats doing the same thing?!?!

If you ask me, Elizabeth Warren should be the standard water mark. She's doing what she's supposed to, working for the people.



-p

[Enthusiast]

276. Up is down.

[YoungDemCA]

30. The funny thing about this debate is that "liberalism" is a very broad ideology by definition

...with no universally agreed upon definition, other than the general themes listed at the end of the following quote:

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States

As soon as one examines it,‘liberalism’ fractures into a variety of types and competing visions.

snip:

Given that liberalism fractures on so many issues — the nature of liberty, the place of property and democracy in a just society, the comprehensiveness and the reach of the liberal ideal — one might wonder whether there is any point in talking of ‘liberalism’ at all. It is not, though, an unimportant or trivial thing that all these theories take liberty to be the grounding political value. Radical democrats assert the overriding value of equality, communitarians maintain that the demands of belongingness trump freedom, and conservatives complain that the liberal devotion to freedom undermines traditional values and virtues and so social order itself. Intramural disputes aside, liberals join in rejecting these conceptions of political right.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/

The one thing that is common to all forms of liberalism is the theoretical (as opposed to practical...practice is *never* the same as theory) commitment to individual rights and liberty. Beyond that...calling someone a "liberal" is about as meaningful as calling them a "conservative" (ie it doesn't really say anything).

[Jamaal510]

198. +1

The definition of the word "liberal" is different than it is in a country such as Australia or the UK. In those countries, liberalism seems to be mostly about free trade policies and looser regulations.

[RoccoR5955]

32. He may be "progressive,"

but AFAIC, the country has gone too far to the right in the past 30 or so years.
Darn side better than some damn RepubliCON though.

Obama has even said that he is a moderate. He's not a Liberal, he's one of those third way folks.

What we need in this country is a hard swing to the LEFT, and take away a lot of what was given to corporations, and the Commons, and give it back to THE PEOPLE, because our country is a country of WE THE PEOPLE, not them, the corporations.

Yeah, I will hold my nose again, and vote for the one running against the teabagger, CONservative, RepubliCON. I always have, always will. The problem is that we need more political parties, so that someone could actually stand up for something that did not involve the damn corporations.

[YoungDemCA]

36. Liberal and moderate are by no means mutually exlusive

As far as being left-wing goes....not gonna happen in the American system, which was designed on the basis of elite competition.

The Founding Fathers wanted and designed a system where the common people would "buy into" the legitimacy of the ruling elites (contrast the American Revolution with the French one....). Seems like they were successful.

[RoccoR5955]

195. No they didn't

The Founding Fathers WERE the elite.
Every one of them had tons of money!

[Thinkingabout]

33. K & R

Obama has made progress and I doubt if he will get the correct credit but many sure can not give credit to those before him. When I allow myself to think about what the alternative would have delivered I cringe. What a nightmare that would be. Obama sure isn't Republican or libertarian and this is a good thing.

[William769]

34. kick & recommended.

[Shandris]

40. How I can watch people say that the country has gone to the right...

...while I hear news reports of yet another state legalizing gay marriage, more about women, women's rights, and a woman's place in society, more about income inequality and how it harms people particularly minorities, more about raising the minimum wage to previously-unheard of levels, and more about inequality in general boggles the mind.

We may have the rich buckling down on rightward economics when they can, but to think that 'the country' has gone rightward is...well, to me it seems very silly.

[Maedhros]

81. The culture of the nation is evolving toward more inclusiveness and equality.

This is entirely the result of outreach and activism from the grass roots.

Politically and economically, however, the rightward march has been steady since 1980: increasing wealth inequality, planned decimation of the education system, erosion of civil liberties, pro-Wall Street policies, criminalization of adversarial journalism, expansion of the security/surveillance state, crackdowns on peaceful protest (at least by the Left; the right wing gets a pass), tax breaks for the wealthy paid for by elimination of programs for the poor, rampant military adventurism and wars of choice, etc.

[Shandris]

85. I agree that those are true...

...just that they are essentially the behest of those with power, not 'the country' at large. You choose an interesting term with 'the culture of the nation', and I can't argue that -- it's just that, to me, the politic of the nation itself (as opposed to what is forced on us by the elite) is the same thing.

But if you do separate them, then I can see where the argument comes from, definitely.

[Maedhros]

95. I also don't believe that we "the People" have any real say in politics anymore.

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14

A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is:

"Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."

To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy.

Our transformation from Democracy to Oligarchy is certainly the opposite of becoming more Liberal.

[NorthCarolina]

314. The third-way has been moving left on social issues in the hopes this will

enable them to retain their hold on the Democratic party and continue to further their fiscally conservative agenda. The third-way New Dems have been losing seats with every election. Their worst nightmare is the prospect of a fiscally progressive Congress that would set about the task of addressing the huge imbalance in wealth distribution. Their new plan is obviously to couch their fiscal conservatism, while publicly touting a new progressive social agenda. It's not the social issues they care about anyway so why the hell not jump on board since America is already moving solidly in that direction. It's maintaining the fiscal policies that they have worked so hard to enact over the past few decades, and which have helped greatly to produce the wealth distribution imbalance we have now, that they fight for.

[Jasana]

41. Let's please be honest here.

The first time Obama ran for President I was very, very ill. I was a low information voter. All I could do was listen to his speeches. I was too sick to look up his record. He spoke eloquently and after Bush... oh what a relief that was. He sounded like one of the most progressive candidates the Dems had run in a long time.

Maybe it was my fault. Bush... being sick. It is all intertwined but I had so much hope when I voted for him by absentee ballot. I cried when he was inaugurated. Perhaps I became disillusioned too quickly. I voted every single election.

My second job saw me 8 years in a union in the Ronald Reagan 80s. Not fun. My career at its apex before I became disabled saw me as an accountant for three non-profit foundations that worked on international social justice.

I am a goddamn progressive. Obama is not and don't try to kid your way around a 30 year social justice activist. Have some respect for me. President Obama is a centrist Democrat. Not much different from an old time centrist republican. I think that President Obama has done his best given the absolute mess he was handed but no way has he governed like a "progressive."

[villager]

44. Very well put, Jasana

[winter is coming]

98. Well said. The only thing I would add...

is that when someone tries to convince me the President is a progressive, it makes me wonder what else they're either clueless or bullshitting about.

[Jasana]

231. I feel like I'm on Facebook yelling at my teabagger "friends"....

"Obama is NOT a socialist! NOT! I am closest thing you've ever run into that's socialist!"

Only here it's backwards.

[AngryAmish]

42. If I cut the crap I would have nothing to talk about.

I'm pretty shallow.

[cali]

45. Please... Cut the blind adoration crap. thank you.

[Logical]

49. +1000! n-t

[sheshe2]

66. Only when The ODS stop cali.

BTW, let me guess. You didn't read the list either. It is not adoration to list his accomplishments, those are facts. He never gets credit for anything by some here at DU.

I know "hold his feet to the fire, he told us to". Well that sure doesn't mean one needs to leave him there for gosh sake!

[gratuitous]

73. No, you're misunderstanding

Only certain issues and actions count. If the things that mean the most to you have been neglected or actively worked against by the Obama administration, it's because those things don't matter. Pick the correct issues, and you'll be much happier. Pick the wrong issues, and you're just a dirty fucking hippie or a purity troll whose opinions don't matter and it's your fault things didn't work out better because you didn't vote, but if you did vote, you didn't vote hard enough, and just cut the crap.

See how it works?

[840high]

128. +10

[uponit7771]

295. Please cut the reflexive and disingenuous*** hatred crap

*** disingenuous because 90% of the hate is a half assed truth about what Obama does, it's RARELY a time where I can find all context about Obama that doesn't shine him in a bad light

[L0oniX]

307. I'm surprised there isn't any pictures to fawn over.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. I am proud of his accomplishments.

But, then, I'm a Democrat.

[d_legendary1]

54. Two words: President Palin

You go Obama! You could be better but you're the best we've got.

[Tarheel_Dem]

55. Some are pissed cuz he ain't Hugo Chavez. The rest are just pissed cuz it's what they do.

Thanks to EarlG for the cool graphic.

[sheshe2]

148. LOL!

Thanks Tarheel...

[TreasonousBastard]

58. I posted this yesterday...

The Center is where things get done...

Everyone forgets those wonderful two years when Pelosi and Obama actually started to undo the worst of Bush and everyone sat back amazed that we were a working nation again.

Even then some pilloried them as too centrist, and now they are evil incarnate because not only didn't they bring every wet dream of the left to life back then, but they're not even trying any more.

FDR! FDR! For about a decade of our medium long history we are in the middle of the worst situation the world has seen. Europe is looking at a future of either Communism or Fascism, China went Communist, and Japan is looking to take over China and the rest of Asia. And we are dead broke. Of course FDR (one of the 1 percenters, himself, btw) tried stuff. Anyone would have in those days, except for asshole Congressional Republicans who stopped more stuff from being done. Who knows what FDR would do now? Probably not a whole hell of a lot more than Obama has done or tried to do since we are not in such desperate times.

Truman was of the Center. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter... Even Nixon had his moments and despised the far right as much as the far left.

Neither the left nor the right can ever create their perfect world. Nor can they get much of what they want without the center, or the destruction of the other side.

We need the left and the right to provide the ideas and the alternatives. We need the laboratories on both sides to come up with plans for the future and solutions for thepresent. But, it's the center that levels the playing field and makes the rules that ensure we don't fall off the edge or make things worse.

IOW, just get out there in November and vote for the best person, no matter how bad you think he or she is. If everyone manages to elect the best of the bad lots, it has to get at least a little better.

(And thanks again to DU for not actually running the Democratic Party)

[freshwest]

71. Great post, thanks TB!

[Cha]

86. Awesome post, TreasonousBastard! Thank you! nm

[sheshe2]

92. +1 and thank you TB.

[Spazito]

99. Excellent post!

I completely agree with you, your post reflects what I believe as well. Without a center, the left and the right sides collapse because there is no 'center beam'. We need it all, left, right and center to build something solid.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

107. that's a damn good post.

[nikto]

116. The "right" has become corrupted and dishonest in America

And too many so-called "Liberals" have been duped into supporting horrid trade deals,
for-profit Charter Schools and foreign wars--All policies with a strong rightward lean.

It's not a fair fight in America---The right has the money and numbers, while the left has only numbers and
the fact their policy stands are morally more justifiable for the health of the Nation
and for the greatest number of people.

The left can't even get its best spokespeople on major media tv/radio, and have to go to places like RT or The Web
if they want to hear from brilliant thinkers such as Chomsky, Hedges, Richard D Wolff,
Dahr Jamail, Glen Ford and others.

Centrism, in this slanted climate, yields largely Conservative economic
and foreign policy wins over the long-run.

Wall Street Larcenists remain untouched.
Drones continue to rain down death without due process on distant, dark-skinned foreigners.
Unions are continually pushed back and weakened. Public Schools are privatized, daily.
NSA is perusing your cell phone records as you read this.
TPP is getting pushed through as we speak. The USPost Office is being slowly snuffed
by colluding members of both parties.

THAT is the true face of Centrism.

When somebody says they are a "Centrist",
that is why I, am, uh, not impressed.

[Enthusiast]

277. I am with you 100%.

Well said!

[nikto]

381. Thanks!

[raouldukelives]

304. +1 For every true leftist, for every person who wants to see a sustainable & reasoned approach

to the problems facing us and the world there are 10 Wall St investors doing all they can to profit & profit from those keeping the voices of the left silent.
When someone says centrist, my mind says Jamie Dimon.
It makes it hard to GOTV when someone supposedly on the side of the left spends all day, every day, ensuring the stifling of those votes.

[Jamaal510]

199. "thanks again to DU for not actually running the Democratic Party"

[Bobbie Jo]

203. Excellent post. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

338. You, my friend, have won the internetz.

[Hissyspit]

60. Yeah, this is helpful.

"progressive complaints helped give him the current Republican House"

Not really.

[Cha]

65. Riiight.. it probably had nothing to do with the incessant venomous whining about ACA. and those

profiteers on the bait and click left spouting "there's no difference between Dems and repubs".

[WorseBeforeBetter]

111. Yeah. All the blacks and Latinos who sat out 2010...

take their cues from FireDogLake.

Obama blames lack of African American, Latino turnout for Democrats’ midterm woes

[Cha]

126. That doesn't negate what I wrote. Everyone needs to come together to Vote in 2014!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

131. You're preaching to the choir on DU. We vote.

What is being done to reach those who sit out the mid-terms?

[winter is coming]

141. Nothing says "Let's come together" like using phrases such as "incessant and venemous whining".

[Cha]

177. Yeah, you're right.. the incessant venomous whiners have no wish to do anything else but.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

288. Demonizing "the left." It's so... Republican!

Who needs Ann Coulter when we've got an endless supply of Crap Bloggers to do it!

They still don't seem to grasp that those who sit out the midterms are NOT the ones reading Salon, FireDogLake, ThinkProgress, CommonDreams, etc. Oh, I guess they grasp it, they just need an enemy, and progressives will do.

They're always offering up the rallying cry of "GOTV!" Is posting crap to a message board their big GOTV effort? I'll tell you what, I cannot FUCKING wait for November 2014.

[countryjake]

69. Seriously.

A real vote-getter, that.

[Rex]

386. The point is to further divide us up before the elections in November.

Thankfully most of us got the memo early on and now just mock those that would divide us up.

[Louisiana1976]

63. Excellent post. K&R

[gwheezie]

70. He's doing better than I expected

But I didn't expect a liberal. He was by far the better choice both times I voted for him. I think he got a few big things done. My pick in the 08 primary bunch never made it to my primary. I voted for Hillary in my primary because I thought she'd be tougher against what I knew was coming from the right but let's face it, both of them are hated by the right. It was going to be tough no matter who the dems ran.

[Hekate]

79. Sheshe

[quakerboy]

82. You have posted a list of accomplishments

That does not make him progressive.

Just to start on the list
3) Freezing government worker salaries is a RW favorite. That's not progressive.
7/8) are the same thing. Both ARRA. Which, by the way, devoted more resources to Tax cuts than to any other section. Who loves tax cuts? Republicans. I dont know too many Progressives who are devoted to tax cuts.
9) TARP. Questionable, very pro corporate policy. He did better with it than a R would have done in his place. That doesn't mean he handled it as a progressive would have.
12) Credit where it is due. He did good on the Auto Industry. Id like to think a progressive would have added a bit more incentive to moving us away from fossil fuel autos, but what he accomplished was worthwhile.
29) Not sure how that is an Obama accomplishment, nor that its something good, much less something progressive. Yay Foxconn?
30) article linked says nothing about Obama involvment.
11/31) a lot of these seem to overlap, kind of like a resume bulleting "I made tye dye" then later "I added blue ink. I added Red ink." etc
32) Its a start. Its another one of those "I think a progressive would have done better. Maybe 15?". But its better than a modern republican would have done.

I could keep going, but it seems fruitless. At an estimate, if you eliminate redundant points(eg 5 and 99), 245 becomes 175. If you eliminate ones that are words without actions, 150. Eliminate ones that run counter, not complimentary to progressive ideals, 100. And then the ones where he has done things that counteract the things on the list(ie global spying vs the whole "foriegn relations" section, you might have 25 left for your list.

25 accomplishments, many of which seem lackluster compared to progressive goals, does not a progressive president make. McCain is not the center, Bush was not a moderate, and Obama is not the far left. No matter how much anyone tries to reframe those as being so.

[laundry_queen]

168. Excellent analysis. You are spot on. nt

[winter is coming]

245. Nicely stated. n/t

[nikto]

267. Good points!

[woo me with science]

332. It's a ridiculous list.

The overwhelming direction of this administration, in every major policy area, has been corporate. That's just reality.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4976642

How disgusting that we are at a place in this country when we must battle against the constant propaganda droning of "2 + 2 = 5." And shame on those who take a paycheck to drone it.

[libodem]

87. .

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[SidDithers]

90. Now, that's gonna really scramble some brains...

Well done.

Sid

[libodem]

110. Thanks Sid

That means something coming from you.

[Number23]

255. Best post of an awesome thread

[Tarheel_Dem]

347. Reality bites, don't it? Thanks for posting that.

[libodem]

361. No president has worked harder

To clean up such a rotten mess and been kicked around so bellergently for doing his level best.

[Tarheel_Dem]

362. I don't pay much attention to the screechers, and neither does anyone else. It's why no hardcore...

liberal has been elected to the White House in decades. And it's probably the reason there will never be again. When people get a close up look at what most people consider extremists, they run away in horror. You only have to look at the EPIC fail this weekend to see that notion in action.

Whether it be the left or the right, when reasonable people drill down into their hardcore (unmoveable) ideological stances, they come away with the sense that they've just interacted with someone who may or may not be completely hinged. It's the reason the "liberal" label became a four letter word for so long. People who don't hold these uncompromising extreme views, or who they deem centrists, are obviously seen as traitors.

The good news is that internet liberalism doesn't run the Democratic Party or POTUS, and that seems to be a major bone of contention for some. President Obama, and his supporters, can take comfort in the fact that it's the same clueless band of fellow travelers over & over & over again.

I'm not talking about folks who have the occasional criticism of a policy position, but the ones who take issue with EVERYTHING he does, or doesn't do. When the POTUS consistently has 80%-85% job approval from liberals, you can't take the backwash seriously.

[Maven]

96. LOL...one of the list items is basically "got elected and reelected"

DERP

p.s. wtf is that image? creepy...

[Dustlawyer]

101. I will add my spew. Obama is a mixed bag which is why there

is why there is such a difference of opinion about him. He has had the toughest time of any recent President, but at the same time he went straight into Wall Street's arms. His NSA policies are a terrible violation of our rights, not to mention a long list of pro-big business policies like the end of Net Neutrality. I am glad it wasn't Rmoney in office, but I do get all excited anymore that he is our President. Sorry, but I am not a cheerleader for his team.

[Ed Suspicious]

102. Republicans do not set the height on the progressive bar.

Much like I am not more in favor of the death penalty because a murderer's actions are more unconscionably horrible than other murderers, I am unmoved to measure a man's liberal leanings based on republicans act.

Moral relativism is shitty philosophy.

By that same token, because I can't name a single republican to the left of the President does not make the president a populist liberal I can believe in.

He has shown himself time and time again to be of the mind that corporations come before people, my friend. Maybe that's too harsh a statement. How about this - he acts in a way that show me he feels the best way to attack people's problems is through the framework of corporate gain.

I can hear the continuing drip drop of trickle down theory getting louder and louder all the time.

I am not a bluedog like the president. I thought I was voting for a liberal. Period. I did not realize I was voting for a Reagan democrat. Well I guess I kind of knew, but not during the first primary.

Now that he is on his way out, I am finding myself wholly unconcerned for his legacy.

I thank him for slowing the flow toward tea party insanity, but my main concern now is making sure the next president is actually a liberal . . . a bleeding heart, welfare-state, socialist leaning liberal.

[nikto]

133. Well put

[MannyGoldstein]

103. Ended almost 1/3 of the Bush tax cuts.

And a White House more stacked with bankers than any any other in history.

Rah.

[VanillaRhapsody]

105. and they say WE the supporters.....are the ones that expected a messiah...

when quite the opposite is true...THE detractors expected a saint who could perform magic WHILE walking on water!

[sheshe2]

169. You got that right VR!

Funny that, huh?

[winter is coming]

365. The "supporters" didn't expect a messiah... they project one.

The "detractors" knew they were getting someone with feet of clay long before Election Day 2008. They just never realized how much of the rest of him was also base.

[xocet]

108. Whatever.... n/t

[BlancheSplanchnik]

113. this line from your OP really struck me

He is as progressive as he can be, given that progressive complaints helped give him the current Republican House

With a house full of puke shitstains and a puke $$$$$$juggernaut funding a vast network of terrorist cells[/strike ] organizations, think tanks and media conglomerates, I just do not understand the hyper-focus on PBO as being some kind of culprit.

[sheshe2]

118. Thank you Blanche!

[frylock]

122. how did "progressive complaints help(ed) give him the current Republican House?"

[BlancheSplanchnik]

143. I remember the atmosphere before the last midterms.

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Relentless bashing here, no interest in getting out the dem vote. During midterms, which are notoriously low turnout.

While the US of pukeistan own the media (still do), over which they spread hate attacks against Pelosi, Dems, PBO....churches mobilized their minions, and dems all over hete and the web (our only media left) bitched about PBO not being the perfect messiah they thought he was going to be. And Dems in Congress didn't fight the onslaught of puke bullying and lies.

[frylock]

224. how many people do you know that skipped voting because of the Democratic Underground?

how many people do you know that are even aware of the existence of the Democratic Underground?

[Mnpaul]

249. You are forgetting some history

especially the part where the WH attacked the left and said "who else are they going to vote for?"

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that one. You diss the left and fall over backwards to please the right and wonder why your turnout out is poor?

Just like the Republicans, the third way Dems blame everyone else for their failures. They have only themselves to blame. Maybe they should take another look at the Democratic Party platform to see where they went wrong instead of running around playing a victim.

[Tarheel_Dem]

363. "I just do not understand the hyper-focus on PBO as being some kind of culprit".

I understand it, and so do you if you think about it for just a moment. Remember this jerK? He's "alledgedly" from the left as well, and you know what his agenda is:



(G)etting
(R)epublicans
(E)lected
(E)very
(N)ovember

[BlancheSplanchnik]

364. oh lord, I remember.

Ugh......I remember the feeling in the pit of my stomach, way back then.

A house divided cannot stand.

[Tarheel_Dem]

366. "A house divided cannot stand". And they know that, hence the constant instigation. It seems to...

be some whacky form of psychological warfare, although I'm not quite sure what the prize is for all that effort?

[Jamaal510]

379. Cool acronym!

(G)etting
(R)epublicans
(E)lected
(E)very
(N)ovember

I might consider having it made into a bumper sticker, if only I could drive.

[Tarheel_Dem]

383. You're welcome to it. I heard it someplace, but can't remember where.

[LondonReign2]

117. You should be incredibly embarrassed to post anything from that blog

But of course you won't be

[Cha]

124. That's ridiculous.. Milt Shook has an Excellent Blog. Lots of FACTS.

[Maven]

235. as far as I can tell, "Milt Shook" (if that's his real name) is a clown and proven liar

and all you need do to verify that is google his name

Then you get results like this: Milt Shook is a Documented Moron

[WorseBeforeBetter]

292. "Jonah Goldberg level stupid."

Wow, that's quite a find. Brutal, actually. I almost feel sorry for the guy. But after scrolling through, no I don't.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

136. Jaysuz, I'm heading back over to Discussionist.

At least it's Crap Blog-free. So far.

[Bobbie Jo]

166. Bye

[WorseBeforeBetter]

282. Good morning. So, what's The BOG doing today...

to get blacks and Latinos to the polls, besides blaming progressives for 1) first, not voting; then 2) (goalpost change of) complaining too much?

Obama blames lack of African American, Latino turnout for Democrats’ midterm woes

November is right around the corner... I sincerely hope the BOG faithful are doing something more productive than trashing reliably-voting progressives on a Democratic message board.

Have a nice day!

[Bobbie Jo]

297. Have no idea....

Starting the day with yet another erroneous assumption?

You have a great day as well!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

298. I will, thanks!

And since I was taught to share:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4975231

[Bobbie Jo]

299. Well you know what they say....

Opinions and assholes, etc....

[WorseBeforeBetter]

301. Milt Shook, indeed!

[Bobbie Jo]

311. Ah, the classic

Pee Wee Herman comeback.

Impressive.

Your time @ Discussionist has served you well.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

322. If you say so.

Never got into Pee Wee.

[ucrdem]

129. Huge DU K'n'R.

Lovely thread, thanks sheshe!

:

[napkinz]

132. he's done so much and in the face of this ...

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[sheshe2]

171. I love that graphic napkin.

"Disrespected and undermined every step of the way by the opposing party."

[napkinz]

350. they conspired to undermine him the day he became president

Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan & Kevin McCarthy: Plot To Sabotage US Economy with Frank Luntz

On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration.

In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote that during a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.

The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich

During the four hour meeting:

The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.

These Republican members of Congress were not simply airing their complaints regarding the other party's political platform for four long hours. No, these Republican Congressional Policymakers, who were elected to do 'the People's work' were literally plotting to sabotage, undermine and destroy the U.S. Economy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz#

[Cha]

180. This is the reality of what President Obama has been dealing with for 5 years.. mahalo napkinz

[napkinz]

354. they are willing to destroy the lives of millions ...

[Jamaal510]

200. This deserves its own thread. eom

[Distant Quasar]

134. Time to retire the word "progressive," then

If this laundry list of mainly small-bore, centrist-to-apolitical accomplishments is progressive, the term clearly doesn't mean anything. Just to pick one example, how is sending in a SEAL team to rescue hostages in Somalia "progressive"? Any Republican would have done the same.

Obama deserves credit for bringing reason back to the White House after eight years of Bushite insanity. And he's done some things that have practical benefit to ordinary people. But nothing he has done breaks the centrist mold, and his anti-terror policies in particular are downright right-wing authoritarian.

[Ed Suspicious]

142. Good post. Welcome to the Underground.

[Skittles]

201. excellent debut, Distant Quasar

welcome to DU

[laundry_queen]

256. Good post. nt

[ProSense]

138. If Obama got his way...

If Obama got his way...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024972225

[sheshe2]

147. Exactly!

[Cha]

183. BOOM: Obama signs order to raise minimum wage for federal contractors...disabled workers included!

Thank you, ProSense!

[freshwest]

192. Woo hoo! Great compilation of the hits here.

[wyldwolf]

140. meanwhile, in La La land...

[spanone]

149. k&r...

[nomorenomore08]

152. He has his (relatively) progressive aspects. But even on those issues - health care reform, marriage

equality, winding down the War on Drugs - he's been far more cautious and equivocal than necessary.

Certainly he's been far better than any imaginable Republican President, but that's the absolute minimum we should expect of a Democrat. Hence why I gave him a C/C+ performance grade in an earlier thread.

[Capt. Obvious]

156. This thread is useless without blue links

[L0oniX]

309. Here ya go... Blue light uhm er link special

The record shows aggressive, proactive pursuit of a corporate agenda...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3152360

...in every policy area important to the One Percent.

This list does not show the President trying to enact a more liberal agenda and being obstructed. It shows him working aggressively and proactively, over and over again, to install corporatists into his administration and to enact a corporate agenda.

Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again, including major appointments like:
A serial defender of corrupt bankers for the SEC; the architect of "Kill Lists" and supporter of torture, drone wars, and telecom immunity for the CIA; and a Monsanto VP who has lied and been involved in extremely disturbing claims regarding food safety for the FDA. An Attorney General who has not prosecuted a single large bank but wages war against medical marijuana users and *for* strip searches and warrantless surveillance of Americans. Tim Geithner. And now Penny Pritzker.
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal by Obama's DOJ to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
signing NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public advocacy for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Supporting and signing Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legal immunity for telecoms/warrantless wiretapping
Support of legislation to legalize massive surveillance of Americans
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Failing to veto a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans
Bush tax cuts extended for billionaires, them much of it made permanent
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with No mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Advocacy of multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools
Entrenchment of exorbitant for-profit health insurance companies into healthcare, through mandate
Legal assault on union rights of hundreds of thousands of federal workers
New policies of targeting children and first responders in drone campaigns,
New policies of awarding medals for remote drone attacks,
Appointment of private prison executive to head the US Marshal's office
Massive escalation of federal contracts for private prisons under US Marshall's Office


Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Obama Appoints Bain Capital Consultant Jeff Ziets to Top Post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662209

Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

White House: No Subsidies for Union Health Plans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014594512

Wall Street Deregulation Garners Bipartisan Support Despite Devastating JPMorgan Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/wall-street-deregulation-_n_2910168.html

The USDA’s Reckless Plan to Decrease Food Safety
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023670859

This is a complete list of Wall Street CEOs prosecuted for their role in the financial crisis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3653154

Wall Street will get away with massive wave of criminality of 2008 - Statute of Limitations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022516719Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022246632

Obama Orders Pay Raise For Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095402

Why is Social Security Under Attack from Obama, when it ADDS NOTHING to the deficit???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022065493

The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022246632

Guess what? Chained CPI is the bright idea of Third Way, the (Corporate) Dem "policy shop."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022021626

...Obama explicitly campaigned on opposing Social Security cuts -- and he just endorsed them (AGAIN)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022019860

Obama's Promises on Social Security: His OWN WORDS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022031544

Bernie Sanders: Chained CPI: An Economic and Moral Disaster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022381690

wall street pulls the strings: social security under attack in february
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022155427

Obama signs bill cutting 2.2 billion from food stamps
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x309

Obama's New Treasury Secretary Pushes Austerity That Spreads Global Misery
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022652850

Obama appointed Alan Simpson & Erskine Bowles to his goddamned catfood commission...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022633714

Why does President Obama keep Appointing Monsanto Shills to Key Gov. Positions?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022592785

Penny Pritzker..The Subprime Queen...Obama's Pick for Dept. of Commerce
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101665148

Obama's Betrayal of Public Education, Arne Duncan and the Corporate Model of Schooling
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x366410

How can we NOT feel betrayed? These are just ONE day's headlines:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x366410

Obama Approves New Cross-Border Pipeline Benefiting Canadian Oil Sand Producers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112758698

Pres. Obama: Why are you pushing the Koch Supported Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023563816

The Trans-Pacific Partnership: A Global Attack by the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101634573

TPP: A pact designed to increase the wealth and power of crony capitalists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023936342

The Obama administration's legal battle against whistleblowers, federal unions.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022672473

Obama’s Escalating War on Freedom of the Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312251

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531

Former Top NSA Official: “We Are Now In A Police State”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024197266

Obama administration asserts that NSA spying cannot be challenged in court
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023296209

The Obama administration is aggressively growing private prisons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2670142

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC -- article from '06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

You do know how the DLC/Third Way was formed? (corporate money, corporate infiltration)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024150961

Third Way VP indicates they fear Elizabeth Warren's influence on the party.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024168867

Majority of Third Way support from Wall Street
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024164622

The Democratic Party's deceitful game
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3928692

[woo me with science]

327. And that disgustingly long list doesn't even include this month

This month the news from this great "progressive" administration includes handing over the internet to corporations, trashing the First Amendment and whistleblower protections by letting the government decide who is a journalist, tolling our interstate highways, and handing a huge new loophole to insurance companies to drive Americans into medical bankruptcy.

I'm not sure this country can survive much more "progress."

[Iliyah]

159. K & R!

I consider myself as a Liberal and proud of it! I consider myself as a Progressive and proud of it! I'm a strong supporter of President Obama. Knowing the opposition, obstruction, hatred and have been called everything but a child of GOD, he has accomplished much. Thank you Prez O! He's hanging strong. He's tough and mild manner. Speaks smoothly and softly and carries his strength within and without. I'm also proud of Prez O, thank you thank you thank you.

[LooseWilly]

182. "... Cut the Crap ..." " ... Yet, with all of that blockage of progress, some progressives still..."

Sorry, can't take an OP seriously that sounds like it's really just a cry for help in the face of constipation: political, literal, or metaphysical.

Perhaps you should re-read your patronizing posts to more carefully edit them for unfortunate metaphors?

[Gothmog]

185. Lets turn Texas blue

My goal this cycle is to advance the process of turning Texas blue. President Obama has done a great deal to help that process.

[truebrit71]

186. "Progressive"

... Thanks...I needed a laugh!!! Oh wait...you were being serious????

[davidthegnome]

189. Obama is like any other person...

Well, except maybe being a bit richer and more privileged. There's plenty of good and bad to go around. There are various things he deserves criticism for - and various things he deserves praise for. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. I will not refrain from criticism when I feel it is valid or deserved. I will even call my friends jerks when I think they are like jerks. I will even call myself an idiot when I think I'm being one.

But, you know, I think we really need a liberal President who is an absolute, raging bull to anyone who stands in his or her way. We need someone with immense fiery passion and charisma, with leadership abilities the likes of which have only been rarely seen upon this earth. This is why I liked Howard Dean so much. He didn't really sit down and shutup and he didn't take hostages.

It's time to stop pretending we can reach out to the other side and negotiate. We passed that point long ago. Future progress, significant progress of any sort... will HAVE to come from the left, because our idea of progress is the conservative republicans idea of evil. And vice versa.

[hue]

193. Home from work to K&R!!!

[McCamy Taylor]

196. There was so much wishful thinking going on in 2008. So many people in rose colored glasses.

I am not going to say "I told you so." Instead I am going to say "Obama told you so." If you listened to him, if you paid attention to what he did---like going along with the telecom immunity and the bank bailout and pushing for an escalation in Afghanistan---then you knew exactly where we were heading. I suspect that a lot of people told themselves "Obama is just saying what he has to say in order to get elected. Once he is sworn in he will show his true colors." We had a president like that. His name was W. Why anyone would want another of those, I can not imagine.

[madfloridian]

202. This is how we are judged now. Not by our posts, not by intelligence. By loyalty only.

And God help us if we question. We become persona non grata very quickly.

Many of our longtime, long post members like hissyspit, Octafish, Time for Change, and many others don't bother with the great research they did.

We only count if we never question Obama or his policies.

That's not a good thing.

[Whisp]

205. Oh good lord.

Better lock your doors and windows, BoogyManObama is after you!

[madfloridian]

208. It's very true. Serious well-researched posts simply drop if we are known Obama questioners.

Laugh if you wish, but it is still true.

[Whisp]

210. You only have to suffer a short while longer

and Obama will be out of everyone's lives, to make them so very miserable. I am sure President Clinton or President RepublicanPants will satisfy your every need and desire and will get far less 'criticism' (*ahem, lol).

[madfloridian]

213. See what I mean? It's a big joke. We're a big joke.

People around here who used to be taken seriously are treated rudely now if any hint of criticism is written. Some of my posts are left alone mostly to drop, but some hit home...then the attacks come.

My late hubby and I campaigned for, donated a lot to, and bought and distributed lawn signs for Obama in 2008. We didn't do as much in 2012 because of hubby's health....but we donated and voted for him.

I supported Obama on this board completely in 2008. I was then considered a Hillary hater. Ironic ain't it.

Obama has taken quite a few RW stands on issues like the TPP, privatizing education, issues of privacy, and it must be talked about.

We can respect the person yet disapprove of policies that enable the far right.

[Phlem]

230. No, No, No, your a hater!

or something like that.

[woo me with science]

290. Excellent posts.

Thank you, madfloridian.

[Number23]

258. Oh the drama! And I see posts from those folks all the time

Maybe the "well researched" bit is what's missing now in those people's posts. Which may explain why I always see Sid Dithers cracking a rib laughing in just about every Octafish OP.

[Major Hogwash]

262. The primary election in my state is tomorrow, on Tuesday, May 20th.

Last year the Republican controlled state legislature passed a law in our state requiring that anyone who is registered to vote in the primary and who wants to vote for any Republican candidates running for office this year must first be a registered member of the Republican party in order to cast a vote on the Republican ballot.
That's what is called a "closed ballot" --- it's for party members only.
Only Republican candidates are listed on their ballot.
Their ballot is "closed" to voters who are not registered members of their party.

The Democrats don't have any such requirement for any registered voter to vote for any of the Democratic candidates running for office.
But, they have to use a separate ballot since the Republicans have decided to have a "separate, but equal" primary election this year.

So, when I see that you decry loyalty as a trait that should not be used for judgment, I think you totally missed hearing about the Republican's scheme to use closed ballot primary elections in order to limit competition, so they can re-elect all of the bums they have in office now, as they are going to do tomorrow in their closed primary.

That's not the way our founding fathers saw America's elections being run.

So, either you know how high the stakes are this year, or you don't.

The Republicans have changed the election laws across the nation to stack the deck in their favor.
With gerrymandering, holding closed primaries, and fund raising that has already reached new levels for their GOP primaries.
Hell, Rep. Mike Simpson has even been running ads for the last 2 weeks with Mitt Romney giving him slaps on the back for being such an ultra conservative representative in an attempt to try and capture the Mormon vote in Eastern Idaho, for crying out loud!

If you want to question President Obama, go ahead.
But, please keep in mind, he is the president, and he was re-elected . . which means that the majority of the people in this country voted for him TWICE!!
Not just once,, but twice!

And also remember, the alternative candidates were John McCain and Mitt Romney.

So, good luck with your questioning.

I'm sorry President Obama can't wave a wand and make all things better in your life.
I guess you simply dismiss or forgot about the 2010 GOP Tea Party coalition, Speaker John Boehner holding America's budget ransom, the Republicans voting to close down the federal government last October, and also causing the United States to lose their 4A Bond rating with all their shenanigans calling for the repeal of "Obamacare" . . . but then, besides all of that crap, maybe you haven't heard that the House of Representatives led by Speaker Boehner is only scheduled to hold session in their Congressional quarters for 95 days this year.

95 days!

That's what we used to call "having a summer job" back when I was a kid!

[madfloridian]

263. Perhaps you missed the part about our campaigning for him, donating, buying yard signs.

I am not sure exactly what point you make about me, but I absolutely positively refuse to accept any blame for Democrats who lose.

I have always voted Democratic. I have always made that clear here at DU whenever I get attacked for "questioning" his policies..

I don't think you have the right to tell me I can not disagree with his policies. You do not have that right at all.

You said:

If you want to question President Obama, go ahead.
But, please keep in mind, he is the president, and he was re-elected . . which means that the majority of the people in this country voted for him TWICE!!
Not just once,, but twice!

Yes, I voted for him twice. Campaigned and donated. Not enough? Sorry.

And also remember, the alternative candidates were John McCain and Mitt Romney.

So, good luck with your questioning.

Good luck with my questioning? That is part of what it means to be an American....at least I thought so.

I'm sorry President Obama can't wave a wand and make all things better in your life.
I guess you simply dismiss or forgot about the 2010 GOP Tea Party coalition, Speaker John Boehner holding America's budget ransom, the Republicans voting to close down the federal government last October, and also causing the United States to lose their 4A Bond rating with all their shenanigans calling for the repeal of "Obamacare" . . . but then, besides all of that crap, maybe you haven't heard that the House of Representatives led by Speaker Boehner is only scheduled to hold session in their Congressional quarters for 95 days this year.

He has no magic wand, but he does have the bully pulpit. He has a voice, a powerful one if he so wishes. But he has put one of the very worst choices ever in charge of our public education in this country. They are antagonizing teachers and parents more each day.

He is pushing hard for a trade deal that appears to against everything that is good for the people of this country. Why is he doing that?

He appointed someone to FCC who has the best interests of corporations in mind, not ours. He made that choice at a crucial time, and it will hurt Democrats in the fall.

I think many teachers will stay home in the fall because their careers are at stake. That did not need to happen.

[Major Hogwash]

265. Thanks for your concern about teachers staying home in the fall.

That's just . . . peachy keen.

[madfloridian]

268. That's not my problem. I did not cause the anger they are feeling. I will vote, all I can do.

Obama and Arne have decided that their education agenda is going to be done. I still communicate with many teachers, though I am retired. I know that the unions themselves are donating to the Obama campaign, but that does not guarantee that individual teachers under fire for their jobs will vote.

Not a damn thing I can do about that.

I do know I am sick and tired of being accused of being a "hater" because I post about the harm being done to education.

Not..my..problem.

[woo me with science]

291. A very empty answer to a very substantive post. nt

[Major Hogwash]

373. Naw, it pretty much got the amount of attention it deserved.

I know that talking about concern for who will vote in 6 months may sound substantive to someone like you, but not to me.

[nikto]

269. Good points, but such inconvenient truths for some folks

Obama has been a bloody horror to Public Education. Bush on steroids.
He has refused to stand with Public School teachers, plain and simple.

Why should they stand with him?

And it is true Obama has failed with the FCC/neutrality issue and Wall Street law enforcement,
while he continues to push corporatist trade deals and use drones for his terrorist kill list.

All agonizingly, excruciatingly TRUE.

[kenfrequed]

303. I agree

I don't know why he appointed someone that represents the interests of TimeWarner and Comcast. There really was no reason for this and this will never help Democrats. It reminds me of the Telecom act. I just wish he would be a bit more consistently progressive, particularly economically.

[L0oniX]

312. No wonder I am hated ...but then I like that.

The record shows aggressive, proactive pursuit of a corporate agenda...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3152360

...in every policy area important to the One Percent.

This list does not show the President trying to enact a more liberal agenda and being obstructed. It shows him working aggressively and proactively, over and over again, to install corporatists into his administration and to enact a corporate agenda.

Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again, including major appointments like:
A serial defender of corrupt bankers for the SEC; the architect of "Kill Lists" and supporter of torture, drone wars, and telecom immunity for the CIA; and a Monsanto VP who has lied and been involved in extremely disturbing claims regarding food safety for the FDA. An Attorney General who has not prosecuted a single large bank but wages war against medical marijuana users and *for* strip searches and warrantless surveillance of Americans. Tim Geithner. And now Penny Pritzker.
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal by Obama's DOJ to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
signing NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public advocacy for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Supporting and signing Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legal immunity for telecoms/warrantless wiretapping
Support of legislation to legalize massive surveillance of Americans
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Failing to veto a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans
Bush tax cuts extended for billionaires, them much of it made permanent
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with No mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Advocacy of multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools
Entrenchment of exorbitant for-profit health insurance companies into healthcare, through mandate
Legal assault on union rights of hundreds of thousands of federal workers
New policies of targeting children and first responders in drone campaigns,
New policies of awarding medals for remote drone attacks,
Appointment of private prison executive to head the US Marshal's office
Massive escalation of federal contracts for private prisons under US Marshall's Office


Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Obama Appoints Bain Capital Consultant Jeff Ziets to Top Post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662209

Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

White House: No Subsidies for Union Health Plans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014594512

Wall Street Deregulation Garners Bipartisan Support Despite Devastating JPMorgan Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/wall-street-deregulation-_n_2910168.html

The USDA’s Reckless Plan to Decrease Food Safety
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023670859

This is a complete list of Wall Street CEOs prosecuted for their role in the financial crisis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3653154

Wall Street will get away with massive wave of criminality of 2008 - Statute of Limitations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022516719Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022246632

Obama Orders Pay Raise For Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095402

Why is Social Security Under Attack from Obama, when it ADDS NOTHING to the deficit???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022065493

The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022246632

Guess what? Chained CPI is the bright idea of Third Way, the (Corporate) Dem "policy shop."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022021626

...Obama explicitly campaigned on opposing Social Security cuts -- and he just endorsed them (AGAIN)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022019860

Obama's Promises on Social Security: His OWN WORDS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022031544

Bernie Sanders: Chained CPI: An Economic and Moral Disaster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022381690

wall street pulls the strings: social security under attack in february
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022155427

Obama signs bill cutting 2.2 billion from food stamps
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x309

Obama's New Treasury Secretary Pushes Austerity That Spreads Global Misery
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022652850

Obama appointed Alan Simpson & Erskine Bowles to his goddamned catfood commission...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022633714

Why does President Obama keep Appointing Monsanto Shills to Key Gov. Positions?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022592785

Penny Pritzker..The Subprime Queen...Obama's Pick for Dept. of Commerce
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101665148

Obama's Betrayal of Public Education, Arne Duncan and the Corporate Model of Schooling
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x366410

How can we NOT feel betrayed? These are just ONE day's headlines:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x366410

Obama Approves New Cross-Border Pipeline Benefiting Canadian Oil Sand Producers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112758698

Pres. Obama: Why are you pushing the Koch Supported Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023563816

The Trans-Pacific Partnership: A Global Attack by the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101634573

TPP: A pact designed to increase the wealth and power of crony capitalists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023936342

The Obama administration's legal battle against whistleblowers, federal unions.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022672473

Obama’s Escalating War on Freedom of the Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312251

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531

Former Top NSA Official: “We Are Now In A Police State”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024197266

Obama administration asserts that NSA spying cannot be challenged in court
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023296209

The Obama administration is aggressively growing private prisons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2670142

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC -- article from '06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

You do know how the DLC/Third Way was formed? (corporate money, corporate infiltration)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024150961

Third Way VP indicates they fear Elizabeth Warren's influence on the party.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024168867

Majority of Third Way support from Wall Street
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024164622

The Democratic Party's deceitful game
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3928692

[heaven05]

318. don't hate you

feel sorry for your hate and divisiveness toward my President and our Party, sometimes. Most times, the blue dog mentality makes me laugh in derision and contempt. You hate our POTUS. You hate democrats. You are no progressive. Put your knives away. You might hurt yourself. 2014 is here and 2016 is coming up fast. I've already started my work toward a more unified party, all I see from you is blue dog divisiveness. bye.

[L0oniX]

319. ...

[Jamaal510]

207. "He is not a perfect man, I never thought he was"

There is a saying that I think would be relevant here for some of the critics: "if you're expecting a candidate with which you agree with 100% of the time, then run for office yourself." We are all human, so there will never be a "perfect" candidate to run for office. Even 3rd parties have their flaws--some of which arguably prioritize a few issues over others that shape the country.
I myself don't agree with Obama 100%, but there also things that I disagree with Warren, Sanders, and other DU heroes on. For example, Warren seems to be more pro-MIC than I'd like. And neither of those two have really said that much when it comes to social issues. Still, I think that all of them are infinitely more competent at their positions than any Republican.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

286. That line reads like someone rationalizing whether or not to break off a relationship.

Some of these Crap Bloggers come across as if they think they're in some sort of romantic relationship with the Prez. It's truly bizarre.

[Whisp]

209. Thankyou, sheshe. Well said!

The best, smartest and handsomest President ever! Probably nicest and kindest too, so take them apples! There are millions more that respect and appreciate Obama than there are the crabby poo poo pants downers.



HA!

[kath]

251. "The best, smartest and handsomest President ever! Probably nicest and kindest too, so take them

apples!"

And "the crabby poo poo pants downers" ????

Is this Tiger Beat magazine, or what?

Jeebus.

[Number23]

260. LOL! You're driving them CRAZY, Whisp!

Literally!!

[madfloridian]

271. Just what our party needs right now. Ridicule toward anyone who questions policy.

Just what we need. Making fun of each other.

[Number23]

370. When people act like clowns, others will laugh. Pretty simple, actually.

[madfloridian]

270. "the crabby poo poo pants downers."

Really?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

321. If that is the case, why didn't blacks and Latinos vote...

in the same numbers in 2010 as 2008, as a show of support for Obama?

Obama blames lack of African American, Latino turnout for Democrats’ midterm woes

Do they not understand that Obama needed a Democratic congress to enact his big * progressive* agenda?

Do they think he has a magic wand?

Do they need a civics lesson?

And most importantly, will they vote in November 2014?

Tick-tock, he's only got 2.5 years left in office.

[sheshe2]

326. Yikes!

Wow the anger, from so many that never read past the title in the OP Whisp!

Crabby poo poo pants downers~ good one Whisp!

[Whisp]

330. like gasoline on a fire - say something positive and nice about Pres. Obama

and WHOOOOOH! Instant Backdraft

[sunnystarr]

212. Thank You! (nt)

[think]

214. he's much better than the alternative but he's not a progressive by any stretch

Of the imagination.....

[winter is coming]

221. True. Which begs the question: why try to claim he's one? n/t

[Phlem]

229. Silly

isn't it? Not by a long stretch. He's a corporatist.

EOD.

[IronLionZion]

232. I am better off now than I was 5 years ago

and so is America in many ways. You would think that Americans might come together to at least support some common interests like jobs, infrastructure, healthcare, or even the gun background checks and mental health, but no. Our Democrats have stood strong in the face of unprecedented opposition and sabotage from the other party on every single thing.

We need more Democrats in office, not less. And more liberals, not less. You simply can't punish your way into single payer. You can't punish away the NSA or the drone program or anything else you're against. The best you can do is elect more of the type of representatives who represent your values. Or run for office yourself. That's how America works. You don't ever have to vote for Obama ever again. He's not running.

Scalia and Thomas are old as shit. When America needs a new supreme court justice, we better have enough Dems in office to confirm Obama's liberal nominee. One more vote makes a world of difference on so many mission critical issues like citizens united type stuff. Do you want to be the whiny little loser who kept a liberal from joining the supreme court? How about liberal legislation and amendments to improve the PPACA? How about God willing when the day comes when the public option finally reaches the floor for a vote? Vermont exists, it will happen sooner than you think.

When that day comes when groundbreaking liberal reforms from a liberal state have a fighting chance of going nation-wide, do you want to be the reason the Republicans still hold Congress?

Dems fail badly at PR. They need people talking about the positive stuff during an election year, not as much complaining. Call up your rep and complain and demand more liberal action and in return you donate and canvass and register voters.

GOTV!

[Phlem]

234. I am not and I put myself through school for my field.

It was shipped off never to return. I do have a limitless supply of bootstraps that have no lasting effect.

[IronLionZion]

241. Oh yeah, well the Democrats turned me into a newt!

I got better.

I commute 4 hours a day doing contract work which is NOT in my field while Republicans tell me I must be some sort of lazy liberal loser. I keep on keeping on, keep training, keep networking, keep applying for jobs, until I get something better. I may never own a home ever. That's not going to stop me from supporting the party that actually gives a shit and does something for the people.

Only one party is putting forth any jobs bills or infrastructure spending or anything useful at all. Only one is trying to extend unemployment benefits, put forth health reform, financial reforms, education assistance, jobs training, raise the minimum wage, expand medicaid, equal pay, gay rights, etc.

I'm going to ride this donkey as far as it will go.

[freshwest]

248. Well said and persuasive. Thanks, IronLionZion. n/t

[woo me with science]

333. Very persuasive!

I feel less poor already!


Incomes Flat in Recovery, but Not for the 1%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014400736

Top 1% get 121% of income gains since 2009 (100% of new income + 21% from your old income)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022384139

U.S. corporate profits stronger than ever, workers' wages fallen to lowest-ever share of GDP (CNN)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021922334

U.S. Income Inequality Now Worse Than Many Latin American Countries
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268073

Ranks of working poor increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022200197

Inequality Rages as Dwindling Wages Lock Millions in Poverty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022198286

The Middle Class In America Is Being Wiped Out – Here Are 60 Facts That Prove It
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022144851

Child poverty rates increase unabated
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268450

40 Percent of Americans Now Make Less than 1968 Minimum Wage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111631016

Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under ‘Anti-Business’ Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014372334

US poverty on track to reach 46-year high; suburbs, underemployed workers, children hit hard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002998131

Poverty, hunger among retirees increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002748342

The Economy is "Recovering" By Creating More Low-Wage Jobs... Increasingly Filled By Graduates
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022602162

"Recovery" in US is lifting profits, but not adding jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014414149

Obama to use pension funds of ordinary Americans to pay for bank mortgage settlements
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002205218

What Recovery? Across America, People in Distressed Cities and Small Towns Face Economic Catastrophe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022545596

Real wages decline; literally no one notices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11172387

Wall Street Soars with Wealth as Wages Stagnate, Jobs Remain in a Slump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12526154

Wages for bottom 90% declined 1.2% during 2009-2011 recovery, top 1% income grew 8.2%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022271466

Three Minimum Wage Jobs Needed To Afford Two-Bedroom Apartment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022578738

Wages have fallen to a record low as a share of America’s gross domestic product.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022183930

The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping toward 75%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002290698


THIS is the distribution of wealth in which our "moderate" President advocates cutting our social safety nets and fast-tracking the Trans-Pacific Job and Wage Killing Agreement:

[arendt]

237. Why don't you take your own advice?

Obama is a Rockefeller Republican. He has said so himself. He is no progressive. His appointees speak for him daily, as they trash public education, continue to keep corporate coup d'etat trade deals secret, refuse to prosecute Wall St while continuing to prosecute Medical MJ.

He is no progressive.

Stop contributing to the destruction of terms that is the stock in trade of corporate media.

[Phlem]

238. this thread is SOOOOOOO honest.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017192940

oh wait, the "out " is, It's a Cliche!

yup, there's your critical thinking, it's an effing Clich!

Well.......haw can you argue with that!

[kitt6]

244. All this President had to do;

was to leave the Clintons alone. Run her if you want at your own peril! Take some time and try to listen to Bill Clinton. He talks completely out of his head.

[grahamhgreen]

257. Same sex marriage & Cannabis - he was against both! Jobs coming back but not pay, and oh yeah, stock

market for the poor, I guess.

Auto industry - kudos on that!

[sheshe2]

266. Yes and...

55. Along with Congressional Democrats, advocated for and signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity. http://bit.ly/gsMSJ7

56. Pushed through, signed and demanded the Pentagon enact a repeal of the discriminatory “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy that forced soldiers to lie in order to be eligible to fight for their country, and put our troops at risk by disqualifying many qualified soldiers from helping. http://bit.ly/fdahuH http://bit.ly/mZV4Pz

57. Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees. http://1.usa.gov/g2RLCj

58. Appointed more openly gay officials than anyone in history. http://bit.ly/g1lA7D

59. Appointed first openly transgender Cabinet Official in History. http://bit.ly/58zUp7

60. Changed HUD rules to prohibit gender and sexual orientation-based discrimination in housing bit.ly/9RxEnP

61. Changed his mind and publicly expressed support for same-sex marriage. http://bit.ly/JsiFKp

62. Issued a Presidential Memorandum reaffirming the rights of gay couples to make medical decisions for each other. http://1.usa.gov/aUueGT

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

You are blaming him for the pay too?

Senate Republicans block minimum wage increase bill

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/30/senate-republicans-block-minimum-wage-increase-bill/

Dems seek to rally base over GOP's block of minimum wage bill

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/30/politics/senate-wage/

[grahamhgreen]

315. Yes, he finally followed Progressives on same sex marriage, hopefully he will get on the bus and

fight against the job and wage killing trade agreements!

He needs to continue the fight for minimum wage (return to 21/hr would be nice)

[Major Hogwash]

378. Obama controls the courts in all the land with just one wave of his wand.

The state of Oregon just tossed out their same-sex marriage ban.

The state of Utah has been told by a judge that they have to recognize the same-sex marriages that were allowed to take place in their state for the 17 days that the same-sex marriage ban was lifted there in January of this year.

Can Idaho be far behind??

Well, yeah, it can be the last state in the country to recognize same-sex marriages.

However, Obama is going to wave that wand of his one of these days and then the courts with jurisdiction in Idaho will fall in line.

Man oh man, that President Obama sure has one awesome wand!

He has the most awesomest wand any president ever dreamed of having!!

Hello, sheshe!!

You give light to the world, you are my hero!!

[sheshe2]

382. Good morning Major.

It's amazing isn't it? I wonder how many people actually stayed awake during civics class. They don't seem to understand how this government works. One poster above said that the buck stops with the president, so he is at fault ( or some such drivel).

Oh yes, the awesome wand~ Guess it goes along with the unicorn that he rides.

Thank you Major Hogwash for your kind words. I guess we just need to keep on keeping on.

[Jamastiene]

278. I was hoping you'd tell the MRA types to cut the crap with them always

claiming their privilege doesn't exist or that the rest of us should STFU about it. Can I request a Cut The Crap Part 2 for that?

No, President Obama is not perfect, but he has done some good and for that, I'm glad. We sure would not have gotten anything good done under a Republican president.

[Enthusiast]

279. Completely unrecommended.

I don't measure the effectiveness of a Democratic president by comparing him to the worst president in American history.

[Bobbie Jo]

280. Disagree a whole bunch.

Please share your measure of "effectiveness" instead of what it isn't.

Mischaracterizing the OP with borrowed talking points doesn't make your case.

[woo me with science]

336. "I don't measure the effectiveness of a Democratic president by comparing him to the worst president

in American history."

Well said. And what's PARTICULARLY absurd here is that they really can't even do *that* very effectively anymore, since Obama has continued *and* expanded most of Bush's most malignant policies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4976642

[Enthusiast]

380. Malignant is a good way to describe it.

[heaven05]

289. Sheshe2 despite the naysayers here,

which are plenty, and without reality being part of their worldview, my President has done about as well as the system would allow. That's given the RW obstuctionsm from day one, the power and influence of corporations, bankers and just plain uber rich people who have unequaled influence on our political system, spell that influence as money. The people on here that put my President down would be the same blue dog democrats that have stabbed him in the back along with their RW cronies stabbing at his heart since Ryan promised, at the first inauguration ball, that NOTHING would pass that house only because they wanted an AA POTUS that looked bad and had a lousy legacy. Sheshe I don't think all the blue dog democrats on here realize how transparent they are in their judgements. I don't exactly know if it is BO's race, ideology, or just plain blue dog betrayal or a combination of these. Because of this doubt I don't give much credence to the blue dog treachery exhibited on this site sometimes. Since bohner the bonehead said we are going to make sure this is a one term president, people like some of the betrayers on this site allowed the house to go to repthugs in 2010. They have nothing to complain about. They have voiced their displeasure toward BO and his administration of this country and never went to their elected officials and said, "tell the truth about what the rethugs are all about, obstructionism". No, BO's brown skin is a complaint magnet for the double dealing blue dogs apparent on this site. I have learned to ignore them and their infantile judgements. Our POTUS is the most effective POTUS, for the 99%, since LBJ, true. All of the appointments that the whiners and detractors point to would have happened no matter who was leading this country and a given political party. And that's because money runs our system. Corporations and bankers have trillions=influence no POTUS can ignore. Grow up naysayers. Until we change the system and don't allow one uber rich person times many to pump millions of dollars into any political campaign to affect outcomes we will be at the mercy of a money/corporate driven system and so will any POTUS and their administration. BO didn't create this oligarchy, the bankers and corporation have. BO has done more for the 99% than ALL presidents since LBJ and Carter. Please stop whining and do some work, 2014 is here. You go sheshe2!

[blkmusclmachine]

300. HOrsesh!t!

[L0oniX]

305. Oh ...you're a BOG host ...figures.

[NM_Birder]

313. Don't you read DU ? everything is peachy

economy is recovering, unemployment is less than 7%, foreign affairs are glorious, overweight school kids are healthy, stock market is the greatest it's ever been, the military is sleek and efficient, the foreign trade policy is still in the toilet, our space program is no longer a priority, and the ACA is an astounding success.

And of course, the "most transparent" administration is no longer secretly spying on the American population.........they admitted they are spying on us, and simply replied with "yeah .... so"

President Obama's holding a 496% approval rating, the Republicans are extinct and legal pot for everyone ! Crime is against the law so that problem got fixed too, the IRS ...know for their understanding will be a gentle, soft spoken voice now that your tax records are tied to your medical records.

Maintaining a job crippling foreign trade policy, is the key to raising minimum wage, and best of all, our billionaire corporate puppet masters are better than your billionaire corporate masters.

YEP WE DID !

[madfloridian]

320. Why I post. Obama is letting Arne enact a policy he himself spoke out against in 2011.

Bad things are happening to public schools, and if President Obama does not approve he should speak out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024976551

[woo me with science]

325. Freedom is Slavery! nt

[woo me with science]

337. Ignorance is Strength!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4976642

[Bobbie Jo]

339. Lunacy is Sanity! nt

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[Major Hogwash]

377. Sign the Sanity Clause!

Hahaha, you can't fool me. There's no Sanity Clause.

~ Marx Brothers, circa 1940.

[napkinz]

343. ...

[freshwest]

352. Vote like your life depends on it... because it does! Thanks for the great graphic.

[sheshe2]

369. I've been at work, napkinz!

Thank you so much, excellent graphic. I have said time and time again...Vote as if your Life Depends upon it, because it does!

Thanks!

[msanthrope]

351. Awesome thread! nt

[Progressive dog]

357. It is more important for some "progressives"

to boast of their purity in their brand of progress than to actually try to move our politics.
In 2010, control of the House was taken by the most RW Republicans since WWII. This was in response to the passage of the ACA, which moved the USA much closer to universal healthcare. It was not in response to the people who complained about ACA because it didn't go far enough. Only the RW was there to disrupt the town hall meetings. The RW won.
The man who was targeted by the "progressives" won re-election in 2012.
If we want them to keep winning, we just have to keep doing what we are doing.

[woo me with science]

358. Surveillance is Freedom!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4976642

[SidDithers]

360. Kick...

'cause this thread is all kinds of awesome.



Sid

[Katashi_itto]

368. "....you don’t understand how politics works." What is Obama running for again?

Lol...WAFFLES!!!

[steve2470]

376. kick and rec ! nt

[Rex]

384. Moderates gave the House to the GOP in 2010.

Sadly people love to rewrite history to make them feel better about themselves.

Cut the crap indeed.

[napkinz]

387. ...

https://www.facebook.com/LivingBlueinAlabama

[Scurrilous]

388. K & R

[Iggo]

389. Oh jeez. Teh List?