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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Mon May 19, 2014, 05:16 PM May 2014

FL Republican state rep says Common Core turning kids gay. No, not a joke.



From Think Progress:

Rick Scott Must Condemn Rep. Van Zant’s Bigoted, Homophobic Remarks

Today, in response to the bigoted and absurd remarks by Republican Representative Charles Van Zant, Florida Democratic Party Chair Allison Tant released the following statement:

“These bigoted and outrageous remarks should have no place in Florida politics. All of Florida’s children have the right to grow up, go to school, and earn an education without fear of being judged for who they are. Anti-gay bullying has no place in the classroom, let alone in the Florida House.

“Rick Scott has a duty to all of Florida’s children to make it clear that they can go to school without fear of being bullied. Rick Scott and the Republican House leadership must condemn these hateful remarks,” Chairwoman Tant added.


Background:

Florida Lawmaker: Common Core Will Turn ‘Every One Of Your Children’ Gay. VAN ZANT: “These people, that will now receive $220 million from the state of Florida unless this is stopped, will promote double-mindedness in state education and attract every one of your children to become as homosexual as they possibly can. I’m sorry to report that to you.” (Think Progress, 4/19/14)


Here is the AIR website.

Not at all sure what section to which he refers.



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FL Republican state rep says Common Core turning kids gay. No, not a joke. (Original Post) madfloridian May 2014 OP
Kick for the Crazy... FloriTexan May 2014 #1
Ha. Good point. madfloridian May 2014 #11
To be expected. It's Florida. nt valerief May 2014 #2
He sounds like he's rambling. madfloridian May 2014 #13
But don't they all? They string neutral words between their valerief May 2014 #19
Here's the problem... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #3
Double-mindedness? countryjake May 2014 #4
I had to look that one up. madfloridian May 2014 #5
I only knew it cause it's what my pastor called me... countryjake May 2014 #7
lol my Southern Baptist pastor had words for all of us during teen years. madfloridian May 2014 #9
Yeah, mine was a Lutheran who was at wit's end... countryjake May 2014 #10
Our church said I could not go see Elvis when he came to our town. madfloridian May 2014 #14
The principal of my school in FL. referred to me as "those kind of people" lark May 2014 #24
maybe it's like when people say "doublethink" to mean "brain's big enough to have more than MisterP May 2014 #29
Jeb is a big supporter of Common Core NightWatcher May 2014 #6
Actually except for vouchers, Jeb's views are about the same as the Democrats. madfloridian May 2014 #8
I have yet to see anything at the AIR website about what he talked about. madfloridian May 2014 #12
kick & recommended. William769 May 2014 #15
Thanks. I see nothing at the AIR link that he could be referring to. madfloridian May 2014 #16
Me too. William769 May 2014 #17
Van Zant's educational history. madfloridian May 2014 #18
My current State Rep. JCMach1 May 2014 #20
My sympathy. madfloridian May 2014 #23
It's MAGIC! gollygee May 2014 #21
It all starts with geometry awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #31
About as inaccurate as other criticisms Android3.14 May 2014 #22
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author madfloridian May 2014 #26
Crazy, funny, scary - not sure in which order. reformist2 May 2014 #27
He's a standard Republican Teanut. The question now is whether or not JEBBY will RENOUNCE TrollBuster9090 May 2014 #28
Actually he's got it exactly backwards. Smarmie Doofus May 2014 #30
The entire GOP is crazed. It seems that every day one of them comes out with this crazy stuff. AlinPA May 2014 #32
Politifact rates this "half-true". They appear to miss the point. madfloridian May 2014 #33
Wow, the GOP really has <<NOTHING>> to offer this Country in terms of policy, infrastructure, debt, blkmusclmachine May 2014 #34
Here is the AIR web page he's talking about. madfloridian May 2014 #35
Remind me again what planet he lives on.... mwooldri May 2014 #36

valerief

(53,235 posts)
19. But don't they all? They string neutral words between their
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:06 AM
May 2014

coded phrases to feed some warped dreams of power by the powerless.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. Here's the problem...
Mon May 19, 2014, 05:42 PM
May 2014

this idiot is obviously too stupid to breathe and is making such an incredibly ignorant statement in public but we counter it with yer basic "this bigoted sounding..." claptrap spoken as if our Democrats have a flagpole up their collective arses. He gave us some great material that even his supporters can't believe.

You've got to get some serious comedy writers on the team. Forget even John Stewart and his posturing-- everyone from Amy Schumer to Louis C. K. would have any audience screaming for this guy's head in no time at all. Just think what George Carlin would do with this guy!

He's the perfect opening for Letterman and the perfect closing for Bill Maher. Get their writers on the team no matter what it costs and hit the campaign trail with hilarity. Humiliate him with his own words and make it a circus with him as the head clown.

Look, if someone really believes his bullshit it doesn't make any difference what we say because their heads have shit filters. But, everyone else with a bit of common sense should see this guy as the fool he is.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
4. Double-mindedness?
Mon May 19, 2014, 05:47 PM
May 2014

What definition of the word is he referring to?

I always thought that was like being a Libra.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
7. I only knew it cause it's what my pastor called me...
Mon May 19, 2014, 06:32 PM
May 2014

fifty years ago, after I was confirmed but then refused to take communion.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
9. lol my Southern Baptist pastor had words for all of us during teen years.
Mon May 19, 2014, 06:41 PM
May 2014

We could never please him. Their support for the Iraq invasion as a holy war was the final straw for us, and we left.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
10. Yeah, mine was a Lutheran who was at wit's end...
Mon May 19, 2014, 07:49 PM
May 2014

with what to do with me (nothing he tried ever worked). The guy was pretty progressive, too, for way back then; we used to have great discussions but I knew he was full of it after he told me that I shouldn't read so much. I sassed him back with, "So you want me to give up knowledge for a sip of grape juice?" That was basically the end of my association with organized religion.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
14. Our church said I could not go see Elvis when he came to our town.
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:46 PM
May 2014

But my parents let me anyway...and my dad was chairman of deacons.

lark

(23,102 posts)
24. The principal of my school in FL. referred to me as "those kind of people"
Tue May 20, 2014, 01:17 PM
May 2014

As in your kind of people doesn't respect authority, has loose morals, skip school, do drugs and influence others to do the same. So, even though I passed the test at college level for all subjects, and qualified for a diploma immediately, he made me attend classes there. I'm a bad influence, and will lower the stds. at the school, yet have to attend as punishment for being a hippie? Bigotry is so stupid.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
29. maybe it's like when people say "doublethink" to mean "brain's big enough to have more than
Tue May 20, 2014, 03:13 PM
May 2014

two ideas in it at a time"

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. Jeb is a big supporter of Common Core
Mon May 19, 2014, 06:30 PM
May 2014

I can't wait to watch all these pukes who hate it today get on board with it next year

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
8. Actually except for vouchers, Jeb's views are about the same as the Democrats.
Mon May 19, 2014, 06:35 PM
May 2014

Mostly Dems do not yet support vouchers, just charter schools and more and more testing.

Actually Jeb went on TV to publicly praise Obama's attacks on the teachers' unions.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5046



All the people who tell me I am wrong about the attacks on public schools should watch this video carefully.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
12. I have yet to see anything at the AIR website about what he talked about.
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:45 PM
May 2014

Here is the link to the education page there:

http://www.air.org/topic/education

I see nothing.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
16. Thanks. I see nothing at the AIR link that he could be referring to.
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:55 PM
May 2014

I worry about our FL reps, I really do.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
18. Van Zant's educational history.
Tue May 20, 2014, 09:32 AM
May 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Van_Zant

History

Van Zant was born in Jacksonville and attended Stetson University before graduating from the University of Florida with a degree in architecture in 1968. Upon graduation, he founded Van Zant Associates, an architecture firm, which he continues to own. Van Zant attended the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, where he received a Master of Divinity degree, and the Western Baptist Theological Seminary, where he received a Doctorate of Theology degree. In addition to working as an architect, he has served as the pastor of multiple churches, included the First Baptist Church of Keystone Heights and Trinity Baptist Church. Van Zant was appointed to the Clay County School Board in 2007 by Governor Charlie Crist, and served as its Vice-Chairman.




Not one of Crist's wiser appointments.
 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
22. About as inaccurate as other criticisms
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:30 AM
May 2014

I sure wish folks like Van Zandt would educate themselves on Common Core and education best practices before spouting off criticism that they are obviously basing on one-sided, biased, and patently uninformed sources.

Response to Android3.14 (Reply #22)

Response to madfloridian (Original post)

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
28. He's a standard Republican Teanut. The question now is whether or not JEBBY will RENOUNCE
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:38 PM
May 2014

his crackpot comment. SOMEBODY SHOULD ASK HIM.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
30. Actually he's got it exactly backwards.
Tue May 20, 2014, 03:48 PM
May 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113717710

There's NO mention of lgbt people anywhere in the NYS version of Common Core.

At least there wasn't as of two years ago.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
33. Politifact rates this "half-true". They appear to miss the point.
Tue May 20, 2014, 08:50 PM
May 2014
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/mar/24/florida-stop-common-core-coalition/florida-stop-common-core-coalition-says-education-/

Our ruling

The Florida Stop Common Core Coalition said that the American Institutes for Research promotes the identification of homosexual lifestyles in young children.

It is true that AIR does research on LGBT youth issues and offers advice to organizations that request it on how to assist these children. This is one piece of the group’s initiatives, which also include work on disease management and student assessments.

AIR does not advocate a homosexual lifestyle for children, nor is it an advocacy group at all. There is no indication that the organization or the state will have a homosexual agenda in its state testing.

The statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details and takes things out of context. We rate the statement Half True.


Van Zant responds and stands by his statement.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Van-Zant-responds-to-homosexual-remark/26082088

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
34. Wow, the GOP really has <<NOTHING>> to offer this Country in terms of policy, infrastructure, debt,
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:03 PM
May 2014

defense, just about anything you can name. Just a weird, leering, creepy OBSESSION with what you're doing in your bedroom. Sick!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
35. Here is the AIR web page he's talking about.
Wed May 21, 2014, 12:09 PM
May 2014
http://www.air.org/topic/social-development/lgbt-youth

And he is standing by his remarks proudly. I have never used the expression the stupid it hurts....but now I am. That kind of stupid is just plain painful.
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