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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Mon May 19, 2014, 06:35 PM May 2014

True Feminists Should Find this Incredibly Horrifying........Can We Unite in Support?

Cecily McMillan: 'I stand resolved to keep fighting because your love ethic props me up and allows me to do so'
- Sarah Lazare, staff writer

Cecily McMillan, the Occupy Wall Street organizer convicted of felony assault of the police officer she says sexually assaulted her, was sentenced Monday to three months in prison, five years of probation and community service.

In a case that has shined a spotlight on what critics charge are systemic failures in the U.S. justice system, the sentence was met with immediate condemnation on Twitter:
--snip---

Now 25 years old, McMillan was one of approximately 70 people detained late the night of March 17, 2012, when police violently cleared a memorial event marking the six-month anniversary of Occupy Wall Street. McMillan, who had stopped by the park to meet a friend, says she was sexually assaulted by police officer Grantley Bovell while she attempted to leave the area.

"Seized from behind, she was forcefully grabbed by the breast and ripped backwards," according to a statement by support group Justice For Cecily. "Cecily startled and her arm involuntarily flew backward into the temple of her attacker, who promptly flung her to the ground, where others repeatedly kicked and beat her into a string of seizures." Following the attack, McMillan underwent treatment for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Despite numerous allegations that Bovell has inflicted excessive force while on duty, as well as photograph and video evidence of injuries sustained by McMillan—including a hand-shaped bruise on her chest, it was McMillan who was put on trial for felony charges of assaulting Bovell.


According to McMillan's supporters, what followed was a trial riddled with injustice, in which Zweibel showed repeated favoritism towards the prosecution. Zweibel imposed a gag order on McMillan's lawyers, excluded key physical evidence, and ruled that information about Bovell's past violent behavior, and violence the night of McMillan's arrest, was not relevant to the case.

Upon her guilty verdict, McMillan was denied bail and immediately sent to Rikers Island, where she is currently detained.

According to Justice for Cecily, "The message this verdict sends is clear: What Cecily continues to endure can happen to any woman who dares to challenge the corporate state, its Wall Street patrons, and their heavy handed enforcers, the NYPD."


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True Feminists Should Find this Incredibly Horrifying........Can We Unite in Support? (Original Post) KoKo May 2014 OP
This IS incredibly horrifying. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #1
The cop= Bovill the pervert THUG who grabbed her breast is the true felon Tsiyu May 2014 #2
Agree...there are photos of her Bruises that she didn't "self inflict" as some have said that KoKo May 2014 #8
New York should be ashamed Tsiyu May 2014 #17
I can't help but think the NYPD learned this tactic from the Egyptians, Raksha May 2014 #26
Sadly it was probably the other way around dreamnightwind May 2014 #57
This case The Traveler May 2014 #3
And it proves the pervert Bovill is a goddamned COWARD Tsiyu May 2014 #5
Boy do I hear you. truedelphi May 2014 #56
Yup! These are the good ol' boys all the way!! the white RW'ers club!! hue May 2014 #70
Ossifer Bovill is black Tsiyu May 2014 #84
our criminal justice system has always heaven05 May 2014 #10
a good number of the jurors from the trial have G_j May 2014 #4
Yes..news report said they didn't even have "sentencing guidlines" to go by in their decision. KoKo May 2014 #28
You bet I support Ms. McMillan! AverageJoe90 May 2014 #6
hell yes I support McMillan. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #7
Why are DU Feminists missing in action from this reporting? KoKo May 2014 #15
I support McMillan gollygee May 2014 #20
second this. n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #35
I don't know. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #33
I've seen plenty of DU feminists outraged by this. kcr May 2014 #40
It's sickening,this women goes to jail and those slack sufrommich May 2014 #9
this is how privilege works Supersedeas May 2014 #95
True feminists don't think all women are innocent little children ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #11
This small woman caused the bruises on her body not the Larger Policeman who threw KoKo May 2014 #13
It looks like he fell on top of her trying to grab her... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #22
Did you not see the hand print bruises on her breast? Cleita May 2014 #24
Even *if* this was true, and she's not just pulling an Ashley Todd... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #31
If you are denying the video evidence, which has been posted not only Cleita May 2014 #32
*I* posted the video evidence ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #49
There is another video of an interview with a journalist right after Cleita May 2014 #52
She clearly is not moving freely in video. JimDandy May 2014 #75
You have a preconceived notion and you are upaloopa May 2014 #81
So if somebody comes up from behind you and grabs your privates, LeftyMom May 2014 #16
Did you even watch the video? ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #19
Keep hitting the 18 second mark repeatedly. It shows the cop following right on her heels. ieoeja May 2014 #73
Word for word what Rushbo, Becky boy and all the high heeled, Cleita May 2014 #18
in the normal speed, distance view the cop is close to at her at 15 seconds magical thyme May 2014 #25
Very selective indeed-like what the judge did. n/t JimDandy May 2014 #76
"True feminists don't think all women are innocent little children" WCLinolVir May 2014 #63
+1 nt laundry_queen May 2014 #64
This looks like selective editing. upaloopa May 2014 #77
Personally, I couldn't have convicted on this video alone. mountain grammy May 2014 #83
The cop grabbed her. Video shows opposite of your claim. JackRiddler May 2014 #91
K&R DeSwiss May 2014 #12
Yes. We true feminists do. Cleita May 2014 #14
Thank you for this post. KoKo May 2014 #21
Amy Goodman had a really good interview with her after the attack and Cleita May 2014 #23
I posted it here in V&MM about the bruises she exposed and Amy's Interview... KoKo May 2014 #27
I see this as a police brutality situation, not just a 'feminist' thing. PotatoChip May 2014 #54
This is outrageous .. so what is the next step for us to get this woman justice? YOHABLO May 2014 #29
Her lawyer is hoping to do an appeal...but, that takes time...and she will KoKo May 2014 #41
True humanists should be outraged. Jackpine Radical May 2014 #30
It's actually an issue for all 99%ers. Miscarriages of justice like this makes Cleita May 2014 #34
While I doubt I'm a True Feminist, tea and oranges May 2014 #36
About the ERA. We were challenging the government, of which Cleita May 2014 #38
I think you're absolutely right tea and oranges May 2014 #44
We've been begging the govt. for our rights against these behemoths but the Cleita May 2014 #46
Yes! tea and oranges May 2014 #51
We really did. I remember when the Russians beat us into space Cleita May 2014 #53
Thank you for this information about your experience. KoKo May 2014 #42
Precedence Setting Brutality tea and oranges May 2014 #45
Sound alarms, indeed! I agree with you, but the last time I posted a comment noting mountain grammy May 2014 #65
We Know It's Flat-Out Wrong tea and oranges May 2014 #68
Even her jurors didn't think she should go to jail! countryjake May 2014 #37
This isn't about justice but what our corporate kings and overlords will do Cleita May 2014 #39
Well, then again it is...this young woman will have a Felony Assault on her record... countryjake May 2014 #47
If she had challenged the government, she would have been released after Cleita May 2014 #50
Thanks for the Video and the Juror's Petition that she should NOT serve Time in Prison. KoKo May 2014 #43
Thank you Koko, I have been appalled at what happened to her. I hope all the outrage sabrina 1 May 2014 #48
And...she had to wait Two Years for a Trial...How could this be? KoKo May 2014 #59
The defense delayed trial. She was out on bail. nt msanthrope May 2014 #71
I think this police officer set her up as in a hate crime against women. He knew she could not DhhD May 2014 #80
"They Can’t Outlaw the Revolution" Excellent piece about this from Chris Hedges... adirondacker May 2014 #55
Thank You for that article by Chris Hedges...It's an incredible read... KoKo May 2014 #61
K&R! I believe Cecily's account 100%. Enthusiast May 2014 #58
Kick historylovr May 2014 #60
Very frightening MoonRiver May 2014 #62
True Feminists can't be swayed by video evidence? mathematic May 2014 #66
Revolting, disgusting, sad, sick RVN VET May 2014 #67
Tweeting, sharing, and K&R Jamastiene May 2014 #69
There's nothing feminist about ignoring evidence. You don't get to monopolise that claim. Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #72
"Probably" = exoneration. JackRiddler May 2014 #93
well, I'm a "true feminist" and I happen to think she's guilty TorchTheWitch May 2014 #74
"But that's not what the case was about." Hissyspit May 2014 #78
how so? TorchTheWitch May 2014 #82
You don't get to get counted out. Hissyspit May 2014 #87
oh yes I do TorchTheWitch May 2014 #88
I wasn't talking about the discussion. Hissyspit May 2014 #90
The jury, having been presented with the evidence, found her guilty. I can see why they did. nt msanthrope May 2014 #79
I agree. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #86
3 Months for Assaulting a cop, she should just thank her Privilege. dilby May 2014 #85
Divisive nonsense. JackRiddler May 2014 #92
KNR DirkGently May 2014 #89
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #94

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
2. The cop= Bovill the pervert THUG who grabbed her breast is the true felon
Mon May 19, 2014, 06:52 PM
May 2014

The DA and judge just made an example out of her on flimsy evidence.

NYPD sucks, and so do the judge and DA who pushed this bullshit trial.

may the felon, boob-grabbing cop AND the DA AND THE JUDGE be cursed for life

Poor kid...this is your punishment, people for protesting!

The cops in NYC can sexually assault you and YOU go to prison!


YAY freedom!



KoKo

(84,711 posts)
8. Agree...there are photos of her Bruises that she didn't "self inflict" as some have said that
Mon May 19, 2014, 07:44 PM
May 2014

show something terrible happened to her. I posted the video from Democracy Now where she had to expose her breasts (pulling down her bra because she felt so violated) in the Police Video which showed Bruises.

There's NO WAY I could (in custody manage to beat my breast side into bruises the way NYPD said because it couldn't haven happened.

Yet...there are folks accusing her of beating herself to make bruises appear when she was handcuffed and evidence that the Cop had been Agressive before was witheld from Jury. according to the reports of the Trial.

They wanted to make THIS FEMALE a VICTIM to show that "women who don't want to be assaulted by police" should Not Take a Chance in Protests against INJUSTICE.

Female Victim...at RIKERS ISLAND for Three Months..!

EXAMPLE to Other FEMALES who go to High Profile Colleges to NOT get INVOLVED. (And those who Protest without "High Profile College" should expect to be Teated Worse! Expecially if they have Huge College Debt they owe. So it's a SILENCING OF FEMALES for Protesting...because the Warning Is: THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU and YOUR STUDENT LOAD DEBT...IF...IF ...You PROTEST!

It's Dreadful!

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
17. New York should be ashamed
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:34 PM
May 2014

To first, allow a cop to treat someone this way, secondly to demonize her, the victim?

That is some screwed up justice.

I hope that judge, DA and NYPD know that this kind of stuff just makes people angrier and more likely to film cops every chance they can.

It will not stop people from protesting, but I know if I'm ever around the pervert Bovill, I will wear body armor! And if I'm gonna be charged with a felony assault for reacting to his sexual assault, I'll kick the jerk right in the nuts as hard as I can.

Again, New York just proved it is a cesspool.......



Raksha

(7,167 posts)
26. I can't help but think the NYPD learned this tactic from the Egyptians,
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:52 PM
May 2014

from watching the Arab Spring demonstrations in Tahrir Square and how they were suppressed. It happened not only to female demonstrators but to reporters as well; i.e. brutal sexual assault as a way of silencing and intimidating women. And then putting the VICTIM on trial on top of that! Our homegrown fascists were taking notes, all right.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
57. Sadly it was probably the other way around
Tue May 20, 2014, 05:50 AM
May 2014

The ties between the Egyptian military and the U.S. are well documented. We trained them, paid them billions, and used them for one of the secret detention/torture centers for people we rounded up through extraordinary rendition.

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
3. This case
Mon May 19, 2014, 06:52 PM
May 2014

just makes me wanna beat my head against the wall.

Anyone opposing this miscarriage of justice has my support. It is emblematic of how shoddy our criminal justice system has really become.

Trav


Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
5. And it proves the pervert Bovill is a goddamned COWARD
Mon May 19, 2014, 07:01 PM
May 2014

I bet he, the judge and the DA all laughed it up after the sentencing

Bovill "Hyuck Hyuck I gots to smash a girl's booby so hard I left bruises! Thanks guys for having my back!"

Judge: "No problem man, we gotta stick together when it comes to abusing protesters!"

DA: 'Right to peaceably assemble my ass! Hope the b------ likes Rikers!"


Hyuck hyuck, these three are the face of what is wrong with our Justice system. They are the poster children for police brutality, abuse of process and kangaroo courts.


I won't say what I wish would happen to all of them......

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
56. Boy do I hear you.
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:13 AM
May 2014

I feel so much outrage at the kangaroo court that heard her case.

I do feel some relief that she will only have to serve some three months. i really thought she would get a very harsh sentence.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
84. Ossifer Bovill is black
Tue May 20, 2014, 06:03 PM
May 2014

brutalizers have no specific race, but the RW is sure standing up for THIS black dude

It would be refreshing if their disdain for OWS wasn't the motivation.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. our criminal justice system has always
Mon May 19, 2014, 07:51 PM
May 2014

been this shoddy, for some. I hope Ms. Mcmillan does well. Maybe an appeal will work for her miscarriage of justice. I saw those bruises and marks. Not pretty.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
4. a good number of the jurors from the trial have
Mon May 19, 2014, 06:57 PM
May 2014

written the judge saying they believe she should not serve any time in jail.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
28. Yes..news report said they didn't even have "sentencing guidlines" to go by in their decision.
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:14 PM
May 2014

there was a post about it from NYT or WaPo here on DU about this.

I'd look it up...but, think those interested probably read it...and those not interested wouldn't bother if I dug it up.

But...it was posted here that many jurors were shocked at the 35 years Proposed Sentence. But, even Three Months at Rikers Island hopefully will get them speaking out.

She spent TWO YEARS with her life on hold trying to deal with this Legal Case. That is too long for anyone to suffer through for such a minor situation where she was the won who had to be photographed "frontally" for her bruises and find lawyers and put her life on hold when she was the victim not the Perpetrator...and the evidence is there in the photos.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
6. You bet I support Ms. McMillan!
Mon May 19, 2014, 07:17 PM
May 2014

Fuck the crooks in the NYPD.....and every other big city PD at that! Time to clean house, and take them back, for the people.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
7. hell yes I support McMillan.
Mon May 19, 2014, 07:30 PM
May 2014

Shouldn't be using this horrible misogynist/ police-state decision as a litmus test for feminists.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
15. Why are DU Feminists missing in action from this reporting?
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:29 PM
May 2014

Where is the outrage here from Women's Rights Supporters?

I've not seen it and hoped my post would encourage the to reach out and join efforts to support McMillan.

Why is that?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
20. I support McMillan
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:37 PM
May 2014

but I don't usually get involved in threads that refer to "true feminists." They're usually created by people looking for a fight.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
33. I don't know.
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:43 PM
May 2014

I can only speak for myself; I'm not always in talking/typing mode.
And I don't catch every post that goes on here.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
9. It's sickening,this women goes to jail and those slack
Mon May 19, 2014, 07:49 PM
May 2014

jawed assholes at the Bundy camp who pointed rifles at federal marshals are roaming free.It makes me sick.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
11. True feminists don't think all women are innocent little children
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:07 PM
May 2014

Here is a link to the incident:



LOOK VERY CLOSELY

Who struck the first blow?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

/ this is why the hyper-radical left doesn't have much sway in the Democratic party

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
13. This small woman caused the bruises on her body not the Larger Policeman who threw
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:26 PM
May 2014

her to the ground where she was defenseless.

You say you are a "Proud Member of the Reality Based Community" yet the bruises on her body and the video show an overpowering force.

Where are the photos of her doing a "Karate Chop" to the Policeman where he needed Medical Attention?

Nothing in this video shows what you are trying to portray.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
22. It looks like he fell on top of her trying to grab her...
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:40 PM
May 2014

...after she attacked a cop completely unprovoked.

She's walking along. No one is touching her. And she smacks a cop with her handbag. Then tries to run off.

What do you think is going to happen?

She got bruised when she was tackled in a completely lawful reasonable arrest. Whoop tee bleeping do.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

/ Again. This is why the radical left doesn't hold much sway in Democratic circles. Anyone who isn't blinded by ideology would drop it
// Even Rand Paul was smart enough to back away from Clive Bundy. Can you be as smart as Rand Paul?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
24. Did you not see the hand print bruises on her breast?
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:46 PM
May 2014

Those were grab from behind marks, not "my hand fell on her breast because I fell on her".

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
31. Even *if* this was true, and she's not just pulling an Ashley Todd...
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:37 PM
May 2014

...of the three choices: a) scream loudly when it happens, b) file a complaint or go to another cop, or c) walk up 20 seconds later and smack the cop out of the blue, which do you think is least productive if you want to retain any sort of legal standing?

Once you do option c), you really don't have a leg to stand on. She was convicted based on overwhelming evidence.

I will say that the sentencing is absolutely absurd.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
32. If you are denying the video evidence, which has been posted not only
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:40 PM
May 2014

at this website but other actual news' sites, you are not a member of the reality based.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
49. *I* posted the video evidence
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:02 AM
May 2014

* Prior to the swing, wou clearly see that she is moving freely.
* You then see her take a big windup, which she could not possibly have done if she was being grabbed.
* You fully see her whack the cop.

Even granting absolutely every other dubious premise, there is no way that is an "involuntary reaction". Period.

She was convicted in court by a jury of New Yorkers, many of whom are clearly liberal Democrats.

Again, the sentencing is absurd. But she is obviously guilty.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
52. There is another video of an interview with a journalist right after
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:09 AM
May 2014

the incident that shows her bruises. It's in the V & MM forum posted by KoKo.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
75. She clearly is not moving freely in video.
Tue May 20, 2014, 04:46 PM
May 2014

Look between the 15 and 18 second marks. Right after the two people in white in the background skip across the screen from right to left her face becomes visible. She seems to be immobile. Then she walks across the screen also from right to left. When her body becomes visible, a larger figure already seems to have her by the right arm. Then she swings up at the guy and breaks free. That's the best I can tell from this video. It just isn't enough to see what happened between them prior to her swing at him.

ETA: I originally conflated two figures, hence the original disagreement with your conclusion. I simply can't see what happened prior to the swing.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
81. You have a preconceived notion and you are
Tue May 20, 2014, 05:06 PM
May 2014

using this woman to promote it.
You have no credibility.
Oh by the way get real!

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
16. So if somebody comes up from behind you and grabs your privates,
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:29 PM
May 2014

are you going to stop and ask for their badge number, or defend yourself?

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
19. Did you even watch the video?
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:35 PM
May 2014

It is a video directly of the event.

Seriously. Look at it with your eyes, not your ideology.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
73. Keep hitting the 18 second mark repeatedly. It shows the cop following right on her heels.
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:39 PM
May 2014

If he doesn't have his hands on her, he certainly must be stepping on her heels.

Methinks you're the one who is watching it with his ideology.


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
18. Word for word what Rushbo, Becky boy and all the high heeled,
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:34 PM
May 2014

slit skirted blond and bow-tied, Armani suited, toupee'd "reporters " on Fox New claim.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
25. in the normal speed, distance view the cop is close to at her at 15 seconds
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:49 PM
May 2014

and then they separate and she elbows him at 17 seconds.

The slowed down, close-up versions start after they have separated, so you can't see if he grabbed her or not.

I would call that very selective editing.

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
63. "True feminists don't think all women are innocent little children"
Tue May 20, 2014, 08:59 AM
May 2014

Yeah we should just all man up and take the abuse. Feminists, adult that is, do not think of themselves as children. I'd have to say this post speaks volumes about your beliefs and little about the reality of this situation. Your video clarifies nothing. The officer is seen approaching her from behind before there is any action on her part. And "this is why the hyper-radical left doesn't have much sway in the Democratic party" is your swan song. Is there a bridge you need to protect?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
77. This looks like selective editing.
Tue May 20, 2014, 05:01 PM
May 2014

What went on before we don't see.
The evidence suggests something other than the few seconds shown here.
You don't have a case here just a few seconds of something much bigger.

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
83. Personally, I couldn't have convicted on this video alone.
Tue May 20, 2014, 05:43 PM
May 2014

There might have been more evidence, but this alone? I don't see it. What the jury saw was a lot of cops in the courtroom day after day.
Felony assault? No way.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
91. The cop grabbed her. Video shows opposite of your claim.
Thu May 22, 2014, 10:54 AM
May 2014

At the point labeled "look again in slow motion," one can see that the brute already has his arm tightly around her chest from behind and is lifting her, exactly as she alleged. There's no predicting how a woman in the midst of a sexual assault might respond. Her blow and attempt to escape are entirely justified. This video has been edited with text suggesting exactly the opposite of what is visible on frame.

Shame on you!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
14. Yes. We true feminists do.
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:28 PM
May 2014

This is an abomination and true feminists should band together to get those who are involved in the mistreatment and abuse of this woman thrown into prison and the key thrown away. This starts with the cops involved all the way up to the judge who sentenced her.

In truth though look for more mistreatment of the 99% who are actively trying to get our country back for the people not the global corporate interests behind this. As we struggle to gain back what is ours, look forward to more and more injustice and persecution of those who dare stand up to tyranny.


KoKo

(84,711 posts)
21. Thank you for this post.
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:38 PM
May 2014

I can't understand the lack of support for here on DU from the Strong Voices of folks who Declare they Support Women in all walks of life for freedom from ABUSE.

There are strong voices here on DU...but, when it comes to this...they stay silent or in some cases want to say SHE was the Perpetrator of the Violence the Cop did on her.

Is it because she is a POLITICAL ACTIVIST that they SEEK to make her into some kind of LAWLESS WOMAN who STRUCK A COP when Video shows else wise and when the videos of her bruises prove that she was ATTACKED?

Three Months at Rickers Island. The only Occupy Wall Street Activist to be sentenced like this?

Why is she less important to be Supported?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
23. Amy Goodman had a really good interview with her after the attack and
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:43 PM
May 2014

before she went on trial. The real evidence shows she was not at fault and that she was assaulted. The video should still be available on the Democracy Now! website. I can't post links right now on a mobile device.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
27. I posted it here in V&MM about the bruises she exposed and Amy's Interview...
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:59 PM
May 2014

It's somewhere here.

And, thank you for remembering watching it. Amy got into the fact that her Attorney was barred from mentioning that the Cop had been involved in other abuses. It seems to go back into not allowing evidence to be presented about a person's "past deeds" to be entered into evidence because it could be seen as "previous offenses" prejudicing a jury...(which I can understand) but in this case if the cop had prior abuses against "Activist Protestors or Women" it would seem that as a Public Servant that that SHOULD have been entered into evidence. I

I can understand why when someone is a Victim that prior incidences they've been involved in might Prejudice a Jury...but she had no prior incidents but the Police Officer DID and that his record couldn't be put into evidence for the "Defense" seems to be some kind of backwards view of the law.

Why should a Police Officer (employed by Public Funds) not be allowed to have his own record entered when someone he arrested now faces a jail term when she has evidence that something was very wrong in his conduct to her before the arrest.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
54. I see this as a police brutality situation, not just a 'feminist' thing.
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:30 AM
May 2014

Although, to be clear, I wish more folks (men and women) would get on board when it comes to issues of concern to feminists.

However, this case is not only about the sexual assault of a woman, but also police brutality -and- how the police are almost never punished for said brutality. In other words, several important issues that you seem to be trying to roll into just one, while blaming a subset of the DU community for supposedly not addressing.

I don't know if DU feminists have taken on this specific case or not, but I know that they are quite vocal about any and all sexual assault situations.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
41. Her lawyer is hoping to do an appeal...but, that takes time...and she will
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:33 PM
May 2014

probably be out of her 3 months at Rikers before she can get another hearing.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
30. True humanists should be outraged.
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:31 PM
May 2014

But I must admit I don't see this particularly as a feminist issue. Is what happened to Cecily worse than what happened to Scott Olsen in Oakland?

An Iraq war veteran has a fractured skull and brain swelling after allegedly being hit by a police projectile.

Scott Olsen is in a "critical condition" in Highland hospital in Oakland, a hospital spokesman confirmed.

Olsen, 24, suffered the head injury during protests in Oakland on Tuesday evening. More than 15 people were arrested after a crowd gathered to demonstrate against the police operation to clear two Occupy Oakland camps in the early hours of Tuesday morning.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/26/occupy-oakland-veteran-critical-condition

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
34. It's actually an issue for all 99%ers. Miscarriages of justice like this makes
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:45 PM
May 2014

everyone of that community vulnerable to abuses of all sorts. The fact that a white woman was brutalized like this means there will be no quarter for the rest of the activists, regardless of gender, age or race.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
36. While I doubt I'm a True Feminist,
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:08 PM
May 2014

it occurs to me that yes, the PTB are telling us how it's gonna be. The felons on the Bundy Ranch aren't challenging capitalism, just the folks in charge of it. Occupy, otoh, is all about questioning our prevailing economic system. They made the bankers nervous & nothing will get your ass quashed quicker than upsetting the delicate folk who steal our money for a living.

The gratuitous sexual violence? A horrifying wink/nod to all men. Getting away w/ it? This is a major problem. Sending the victim to prison? Absolutely terrifying.

That was kangaroo court, clearly. Where are the high profile lawyers wanting to challenge this? Where's the ACLU? If we could keep the story alive, it just might attract the right talent.

I chained myself to fences over passage of ERA, went to the mass No Nukes demonstrations around the Seattle Area, & it was peaceful, police presence at the rallies was minimal. When I went to an anti-Iraq War demo in downtown Seattle (& this was a pathetically small group of people attending) there were SWAT snipers on the rooftops, rifles at the ready, but the guys on the ground were cool. This violence is what I used to see on television when I was a child, this is Alabama, Mississippi, Civil Right's era violence. Then it was reported as horrific & brutal. (Note that diff.)

We are right to sound alarms.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
38. About the ERA. We were challenging the government, of which
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:29 PM
May 2014

"we the people" supposedly are the government. So we were challenging the man controlled government to gain what we women owned but that we had been prevented from having full ownership of. We still haven't taken back what is ours completely to this day, but essentially we are in a power struggle for full equal rights our citizenship should give us.

The 99% challenged Wall Street. This is Game of Thrones territory. They challenged the Iron Throne or in this case Black Gold Throne and there is no hesitation in taking heads. The kings and lords of banks and global oil and industries aren't interested in peasant revolts about their injustices. They will make sure their liege lords, bought and paid for politicians and judges do their job to make sure we peasants are a squashed don't do it again. I'd say it's getting past time to storm the Bastille.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
44. I think you're absolutely right
Mon May 19, 2014, 11:35 PM
May 2014

But damn, Cleita, I'm not even sure how to get there, much less storm the Bastille.

I've seen for at least a decade none of the old tactics work. The press is disinterested, politicians unmoved.

A general strike, where we brought the economy to a halt & let them feel our power? I dunno, I never signed on as strategist, I'm a dreamer, thinker, but I can tell it's time to do something.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
46. We've been begging the govt. for our rights against these behemoths but the
Mon May 19, 2014, 11:49 PM
May 2014

govt. either works for them or those pols who try to bring them in line get pulverized. We have to take the fight directly to them. Until we get money out of government I think we are going to have to conduct a kind of guerrilla war against them, maybe a cyberwar. I think Occupy is going to have to do some strategic brainstorming on what to do. Getting abused and brutalized by the police on the streets is only going to net more casualties and no progress.

If Ghandi were alive and faced with this today, I wonder what he would do? Somehow I think in this day and age it wouldn't be marches and peaceful demonstrations, but technology instead. He was a very smart man and brought down the British Empire. I think he could being down today's global corporate monopolies too.


tea and oranges

(396 posts)
51. Yes!
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:09 AM
May 2014

what you said reminds me of our lack of leadership worldwide. I think of Mandela & Ghandi. Where are our monumental leaders now when we need someone to guide us through this wilderness, & while not a prayerful woman, I can tell we're lost.

Corruption is a powerful force, it's powerful twin, authoritarianism, little by little takes over. The political pendulum begins to sway rightward, you can see this trend rightward in the Dem party which is now ruled by corporate-Dems or what we old-timers called Republicans.

Honestly, coming of age in the sixties, there was so much hope, there was so much progress, we witnessed great things, the passing of the Civil Rights Act while a mofo of a Dem was president, but he had the guts to do the right thing. To see this happening is astonishing in the most gut-wrenching way possible.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
53. We really did. I remember when the Russians beat us into space
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:18 AM
May 2014

with Sputnik. But we caught up and surpassed them and went to the moon. Today the Russians are in charge of the space station and getting there and back.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
42. Thank you for this information about your experience.
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:41 PM
May 2014

This verdict sounds like it is setting a precedent for those abused by Police at Demonstrations to get harsh penalties with evidence witheld by courts who may be biased against citizens defending their rights from police abuse when protesting peacefully. She was not armed and not threat as she was not physically comparable in strength with the officer who grabbed her. And, even if she was a female weight training expert...the bruising from his grabbing her would still be evidence that the force was on the police officer's part and not the protestors.

I chained myself to fences over passage of ERA, went to the mass No Nukes demonstrations around the Seattle Area, & it was peaceful, police presence at the rallies was minimal. When I went to an anti-Iraq War demo in downtown Seattle (& this was a pathetically small group of people attending) there were SWAT snipers on the rooftops, rifles at the ready, but the guys on the ground were cool. This violence is what I used to see on television when I was a child, this is Alabama, Mississippi, Civil Right's era violence. Then it was reported as horrific & brutal. (Note that diff.)

We are right to sound alarms.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
45. Precedence Setting Brutality
Mon May 19, 2014, 11:41 PM
May 2014

This has got to be stopped. I don't claim to know how, but this militarization, steriodization of our Peace Officers (hm-m-m, whose peace would that be?) was leading to this. We are the enemy. Some of us, of course, are enemier than others. That would be us.

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
65. Sound alarms, indeed! I agree with you, but the last time I posted a comment noting
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:07 AM
May 2014

a comparison between these two incidents, I was slapped down but good! Wondering if the same condescending hand will slap you too. I was stunned because the comparison was an opinion based my observations as a woman, but, as a woman, I also wasn't surprised.

Realistically, this is a miscarriage of justice and in our hearts, we know that's true.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
68. We Know It's Flat-Out Wrong
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:07 AM
May 2014

Aren't we still waiting, somewhere inside us, isn't some part of us holding our breath waiting to see what will happen in Nevada?

Will there be subpoenas? Arrest warrants? Will cops come in & smash them all to the ground? Or more crickets?

Whereas we don't need to speculate on what would happen to a group of women who loudly protest the crippling effects of unregulated capitalism. I keep saying this, & am willing to repeat myself: the demotion of women to punching bags, empty vessels, sluts, & people who are to be controlled by men, is but one of the steps to fascism. Court-sanctioned brutality against young women is an especially telling step at that.

As far as I can tell there's no way into this world for our species other than the birth canal. When a culture turns against women, it's turned on itself.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
37. Even her jurors didn't think she should go to jail!
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:16 PM
May 2014
Cecily McMillan jurors tell judge Occupy activist should not go to jail

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/08/cecily-mcmillan-jurors-judge-occupy-activist-jail






Occupy Wall Street on Trial: Cecily McMillan Convicted of Assaulting Cop, Faces Up to Seven Years

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/5/6/occupy_wall_street_on_trial_cecily


Cecily McMillan's guilty verdict reveals our mass acceptance of police violence

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/05/cecily-mcmillan-occupy-guilty-police-violence


Truthdigger of the Week: Cecily McMillan

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/truthdigger_of_the_week_cecily_mcmillan_20140511#

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
39. This isn't about justice but what our corporate kings and overlords will do
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:31 PM
May 2014

to us if we get out of line.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
47. Well, then again it is...this young woman will have a Felony Assault on her record...
Mon May 19, 2014, 11:52 PM
May 2014

that will follow her around for the rest of her life. Not an easy thing to get around, in the long run. Which is exactly why she was charged with it in the first place. Now those corporate kings and fat-cat overlords have the case of this poor girl to wave around...see what happens when anybody tries to stand up to them. So you're correct, but demonstrating peacefully in this country shouldn't ever even be considered "getting out of line".

Castigating a woman like this for exercising her right to protest free of harassment, sets us back to the days before we had the right to vote, sweat shops, chattel. The treatment of Occupy protesters the night that Ms. McMillan was arrested in Zuccotti Park, the lies upheld in the courtroom where she was tried, and the ridiculous sentence handed down by a prejudiced judge for a non-crime, a totally victimless offense, tells me that they are more than prepared to punish any dissent. That they singled out a fearless, vocal woman comes as no surprise.

It's the same as it ever was.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
50. If she had challenged the government, she would have been released after
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:05 AM
May 2014

being arrested and that would have been that, like with most arrest protests.

But the Zuccotti Park protesters challenged big corporations, "persons", according to the law now, who aren't into democracy and justice for all, just for themselves. When she ran afoul of that cop, the golden opportunity was there for them to rally their bought and paid for politicians, law enforcement and judges. If they could, they would have beheaded or hung her on the spot.

She was an example for the rest of the peasants to learn their place and not do it again.

Yes, it's unfortunate she will be marked as a felon for the rest of her life and so unfair. I hope in the future that injustice can be corrected.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
43. Thanks for the Video and the Juror's Petition that she should NOT serve Time in Prison.
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:45 PM
May 2014

That's good to have in this thread.

Well worth the watch and read.

THANKS! I should have put the links in my post...but, figured that no one would bother reading the post this far..so it's much appreciated.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
48. Thank you Koko, I have been appalled at what happened to her. I hope all the outrage
Mon May 19, 2014, 11:56 PM
May 2014

that has been expressed will cause this verdict to be overturned. It is a travesty of justice.

'Don't challenge the corporate state'! She did as did others, and the brutal crackdown shows us one thing, they are SCARED of the people waking up to their crimes and will stop at nothing to crush any dissent.

Bloomberg called the NYPD 'his army'. As one of the privileged 1% I guess it's cheaper to buy our police departments than to hire a private corporation for his protection. Tax dollars are paying for 'his' army.

Shameful, what goes on in this so-called democracy.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
59. And...she had to wait Two Years for a Trial...How could this be?
Tue May 20, 2014, 08:31 AM
May 2014

Two years with this hanging over her and now the humiliation of Rikers Island and five years probation. How could the courts be so backed up that this would take that long for a trial? She's not a celebrity, she didn't commit murder or was involved in a complicated incident which would require finding and hiring high powered lawyers and two years to gather the evidence.

It makes no sense except making her an example sending a message/warning to caution other young women not to protest or you could ruin your life and any chance of starting a career with a prison sentence hanging over your head. It's Police Brutality and a manipulation of our justice system...imho. There's too much of this over-reaction by the police to their fellow citizens going on all over the country. And with men as targets, also. But, in this case, the grabbing of her breast which caused a retaliation seems to have been female targeted by this specific police officer.

.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
80. I think this police officer set her up as in a hate crime against women. He knew she could not
Tue May 20, 2014, 05:04 PM
May 2014

see or hear him. It is like tripping someone while they are looking sideways to see if a car is coming before going out into the street, to cross the street.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
55. "They Can’t Outlaw the Revolution" Excellent piece about this from Chris Hedges...
Tue May 20, 2014, 01:05 AM
May 2014

"RIKERS ISLAND, N.Y.—Cecily McMillan, the Occupy activist who on Monday morning will appear before a criminal court in New York City to be sentenced to up to seven years on a charge of assaulting a police officer, sat in a plastic chair wearing a baggy, oversized gray jumpsuit, cheap brown plastic sandals and horn-rim glasses. Other women, also dressed in prison-issued gray jumpsuits, sat nearby in the narrow, concrete-walled visitation room clutching their children, tears streaming down their faces. The children, bewildered, had their arms wrapped tightly around their mothers’ necks. It looked like the disaster scene it was.

“It’s all out in the open here,” said the 25-year-old student, who was to have graduated May 22 with a master’s degree from The New School of Social Research in New York City. “The cruelty of power can’t hide like it does on the outside. You get America, everything America has become, especially for poor people of color in prison. My lawyers think I will get two years. But two years is nothing compared to what these women, who never went to trial, never had the possibility of a trial with adequate legal representation, face. There are women in my dorm who, because they have such a poor command of English, do not even understand their charges. I spent a lot of time trying to explain the charges to them.”

McMillan says Grantley Bovell, who was in plainclothes and did not identify himself as a police officer, grabbed her from behind during a March 17, 2012, gathering of several hundred Occupy activists in Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park. In a video of the incident she appears to have instinctively elbowed him in the face, but she says she has no memory of what happened. Video and photographs—mostly not permitted by the trial judge to be shown in the courtroom—buttressed her version of events. There is no dispute that she was severely beaten by police and taken from the park to a hospital where she was handcuffed to a bed. On May 5 she was found guilty after a three-week trial of a felony assault in the second degree. She can receive anything from probation to seven years in prison.

“I am prepared mentally for a long sentence,” she told me this past weekend when I interviewed her at the Rikers Island prison in the Bronx. “I watched the trial. I watched the judge. This was never about justice. Just as it is not about justice for these other women. One mother was put in here for shoplifting after she lost her job and her house and needed to feed her children. There is another prisoner, a preschool teacher with a 1-year-old son she was breastfeeding, who let her cousin stay with her after her cousin was evicted. It turns out the cousin sold drugs. The cops found money, not drugs, that the cousin kept in the house and took the mother. They told her to leave her child with the neighbors. There is story after story in here like this. It wakes you up.”"

<Snip>

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/05/19-0

Great OP KoKo.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
61. Thank You for that article by Chris Hedges...It's an incredible read...
Tue May 20, 2014, 08:45 AM
May 2014

So glad he went there and interviewed her.

McMillan says Grantley Bovell, who was in plainclothes and did not identify himself as a police officer, grabbed her from behind during a March 17, 2012, gathering of several hundred Occupy activists in Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park. In a video of the incident she appears to have instinctively elbowed him in the face, but she says she has no memory of what happened. Video and photographs—mostly not permitted by the trial judge to be shown in the courtroom—buttressed her version of events. There is no dispute that she was severely beaten by police and taken from the park to a hospital where she was handcuffed to a bed.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
58. K&R! I believe Cecily's account 100%.
Tue May 20, 2014, 06:53 AM
May 2014

My guess is undercover police state forces had identified and targeted her as an organizer.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
66. True Feminists can't be swayed by video evidence?
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:45 AM
May 2014

Is there a point in the True Feminist platform that says video evidence must be disregarded if it contradicts a woman's claim of sexual assault?

To say that a feminist must not be convinced by the video evidence in this case is, quite frankly, ridiculous. It's quite possible and even believable, considering she was convicted, that a feminist sees the video and accepts the State's case that McMillan struck the cop unprovoked.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
67. Revolting, disgusting, sad, sick
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:48 AM
May 2014

Any judge -- ANY JUDGE -- who would issue a sentence like this deserves public contumely and humiliation. Would that there were a hell for the dirt bag cop and this sickening example of the judiciary gone sour.

I am sick and tired of the obvious butt kissing the courts do for the 1%. I am frankly nauseated by the tolerance the courts show to excessive police violence and the repression of our rights as citizens.

But Mr. Carlin was right: they own us. We have no rights but the ones they deign to permit -- and they can revoke them on a whim. It's not something we can fight, except at the polls -- and even that is becoming increasing obstructed. And even if we do go to the polls, the choices are not always so great. Vermont gets to vote for Bernie Sanders; Massachusetts for Elizabeth Warren; Floridians for Alan Grayson. But the numbers of real progressives in Congress is pathetically small. The number of corporate Democrats is very high. Oh, I'll vote for the corporate Democrat over a Republican any day. But when i cast my ballot, I do so knowing that the best I can hope for is that the decay of our rights, the ruination of our environment, the wreck of our middle class will be slowed, ameliorated, not reversed. Because, when you come right down to it, the bastards just don't care.

A young woman is sexually assaulted by a sadistic bully in a blue uniform. She struggles. She goes to jail. Sadistic bully gets high fives all around. Yes, America, that's you -- that story epitomizes you.

Sorry for the rant. I'd rather be doing physical harm to the s.o.b.'s who attacked this young woman and sent her to prison. But I can't.

Anyone know if there's a legal defense fund for her? It sounds like her trial was enough of a farce that she should win an appeal.


Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
72. There's nothing feminist about ignoring evidence. You don't get to monopolise that claim.
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:06 PM
May 2014

Plenty of feminists, including me, think - based on video evidence of her doing it, not just unsupported prejudice like most of her defenders - that McMillan probably attacked Bovell, and was rightly convicted.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
93. "Probably" = exoneration.
Thu May 22, 2014, 11:00 AM
May 2014

That's an incredibly lame statement you're making there, and also contrary to the video evidence even as presented by the prosecution (see above). And while you may be a feminist, I think a different philosophy is guiding your reflexive-seeming statement, much as with ConservativeDemocrat's baseless propaganda above.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
74. well, I'm a "true feminist" and I happen to think she's guilty
Tue May 20, 2014, 04:00 PM
May 2014

There's a hell of a lot more to this story than just what she claimed happened and that video which does not show her being grabbed by the officer until after she decked him. It was also the prosecution that brought in that video evidence and the defense that argued against it.

The officer was entirely too harsh in his tackling of her and slamming her to the pavement after she hit him, but that's not what the case was about.

She gambled that the jury would believe her story. They didn't, and frankly neither do I.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
82. how so?
Tue May 20, 2014, 05:31 PM
May 2014

The case was about her hitting an officer in the face after she claimed he grabbed her breast. Didn't have anything to do with tackling her after she hit him. Kind of odd that she never said anything about that bit, and her attorney doesn't seem to care either yet that's how she got all the injuries she complained of.

If you want to talk about "the big problem" count me out. I'm talking about the specific case and specific set of circumstances involved which didn't have anything to do with the officer tackling her after she hit him and tried to run away, and not even she nor her attorney have anything to say about that despite it being how she got her injuries and the supposed seizure she claimed was the result.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
88. oh yes I do
Wed May 21, 2014, 11:31 PM
May 2014

I'll take part or not in any discussion I wish, and I'm not getting into the one you want that's other than what the thread is about.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
85. 3 Months for Assaulting a cop, she should just thank her Privilege.
Tue May 20, 2014, 06:10 PM
May 2014

Because if she would have been a black man she would be dead or in Prison for 25 years like she was facing.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
92. Divisive nonsense.
Thu May 22, 2014, 10:57 AM
May 2014

Three months after a cop assaulted her. In a case pursued as an example to all other street protesters.

(By your logic, if only he'd gunned her down in cold blood, as has happened to many black men, that would be equality and justice.)

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