Vaccines still don’t cause autism, study of 1.3 million kids finds

[LuckyTheDog]

The question as to whether vaccines cause autism is a heated debate, fueling what has come to be called an "anti-vaccination" movement among parents who believe in the unsubstantiated link. And according to a study in the journal Vaccine, autism still shows no link to vaccination in children.

The study was a meta-analysis of research involving 1,256,407 children. What meta-analysis means is that the existing research is used to give a cluster of information on a bigger scale. Five case-control studies involving 9920 children were also included in their analysis. Luke E. Taylor, Amy L. Swerdfeger, Guy D. Eslick, the study authors, found the five main points after observing the participants:

1.There was no relationship between vaccination and autism.

2.There was no relationship between vaccination and Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD).

MORE HERE: http://wonkynewsnerd.com/vaccines-still-dont-cause-autism/

[KamaAina]

1. WHARGARBLE anecdotal evidence WHARGARBLE!!

[SidDithers]

2. DU rec...

Sid

[SidDithers]

4. Please find another link than whale.to...

that's site is an anti-Semitic conspiracy site. They host the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, among other odious material.

You could always link to Salon, where Kennedy's article was originally published.

Oh, wait. No you can't. Salon yanked Deadly Immunity because it was so rife with errors and misinformation that they didn't want anything to do with it.

http://www.salon.com/2011/01/16/dangerous_immunity/

Sid

[kimbutgar]

6. Here is the rolling stone link

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/deadly-immunity-20110209

I didn't know about whale being a crazy site but the article does show the corrections. I subscribe to rolling stone and accessed the article and the corrections were there. Also I watched Ring of Fire on Free speech TV and Robert F Kennedy still stands by it.

Do you have a child with autism? Did your child change? Because mine did and a bunch of parents I know who have kids on the spectrum say they also saw the change. But we all know cigarettes never cause cancer right?

[alp227]

20. For the 2nd time a jury has shown this article is no longer tolerated on DU.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

As Sid explains in reply #4, RFK Jr.'s "Deadly Immunity" article was retracted by Salon.com 6 years after its original publication. We've reached the point in time that "Deadly Immunity" goes straight in the same trash bin as Janet Cooke's story about the heroin-addicted boy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Cooke#Fabricated_story_scandal and pretty much anything published in Infowars.

People have gotten BANNED for posting excerpts from this article. See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4934964

yes, "Deadly Immunity" is also hosted at ICNR.com, a site whose parent org International Center for Nutritional Research is listed by Quackwatch as a "questionable research entity": http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecorg.html

I expect some of you to say "well just show this user where he's wrong". But remember, as ToS state: "Democratic Underground is not intended to be a platform for kooks and crackpots peddling paranoid fantasies with little or no basis in fact." Anti vaccine propaganda like RFK's now-discredited article or anything that alleges vaccines are part of a big pharma plot something something meet that very definition. "Free speech" does NOT include allowing any kook and crank idea to stand. Sorry.

Oh wait...check THIS gem out. "But I saw my son change and become austistic after receiving a combo vaccine at 18 months." I have nothing but sympathy for parents shocked to see their kid have autism or whatever. But parroting the same B.S. that Jenny McCarthy said...seriously? Are you out of your mind?

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue May 20, 2014, 12:02 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter is being a bit of an asshole here. I don't agree with the post which was alerted on, but referring to the poster's experience with a child with autism as "a gem" and calling the poster a "kook" crosses the line. I also don't find the post alerted on to be hide-worthy. MIsguided and incorrect, sure. But that doesn't equate to hide. Hey, alerter. YOU should try hide and ignore. It will help your blood pressure. Can I alert on the alert?
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Woo Hoo!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I was going to say leave it and just answer back that the article had been pulled from publications because of the numerous errors but I see more than one person has tried this and the poster still persists it is a credible article.

Thank you.

[Codeine]

5. Here are some other great links on that site!

http://www.whale.to/b/holocaust_revisionism.html

Turns out the Holocaust never happened!

http://www.whale.to/b/anne_frank.html

Anne Frank's diary was a hoax!

http://whaleorgone.co.uk/

Orgone energy -- it's real!!

http://www.whale.to/b/urine_therapy_h.html

Drinking your weewee will make you healthy!



In other words, your link to that stupid fucking site makes your statement utterly and completely invalid, and you should be ashamed of yourself for dealing in such mindless bullshit.

[kimbutgar]

7. I didn't know whale was a wacko site

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/deadly-immunity-20110209

Here is a good one from rolling stone.

[Codeine]

8. That's an article so bad it's been pulled from a number of sites. nt

[Orrex]

17. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present another sad case of

In any DU discussion of vaccines, it is more likely than not that someone will impugn "big pharma" within the first three replies.

[NuclearDem]

9. I really hope there will come a time when we can put this shit to bed

And keep doctors focused on actual causes of autism, not insane conspiracy theories that have been debunked a thousand times.

[shenmue]

10. But people want to believe it

Because it makes them feel better.

[jeff47]

15. No, you really don't.

I believe in Science big time

No, you really don't.

If you did, you'd understand why your observations of your own child weren't a valid experiment, and you'd also have noticed that "that change" arrives about that time whether or not the autistic child is vaccinated.

So I am not anti vaccine just vaccinating too much when a child's brain is developing is what I have problem with.

If you believed in Science big time, you'd have wondered just how those vaccines compare to the pathogens your child is exposed to in a normal day. 35 vaccines is nothing. Your child got exposed to thousands of pathogens every time they stuck something in their mouth.

You'd also have noticed that countries still using vaccines loaded with thimerosal and other Evil Chemicals™ have virtually no reported cases of autism (see: all of Africa).

[Archae]

13. We never will.

Just look at the idiots who still fervently believe in an "energy flow" through the body that can be "corrected" by being knitted and pearled, or going snap, crackle, pop with the vertebrae.

Even hundreds or thousands of eyars after this stuff has been shown to be pure bullshit.

[NightWatcher]

12. but but that Playboy centerfold said the exact opposite

Sounds kinda obvious when you say it like that, huh?

[GoneFishin]

14. No doubt they also pin-pointed the true cause with a sample that large. What did they

find is the real cause?

Any credible study, expending so many resources, with over a million carefully surveyed, was surely focused on finding the true cause of the suffering, and not just looking for a way to cover the asses of the pharmaceutical companies.

[jeff47]

16. So what's the real cause of cancer?

There's been lots of very large studies, expending many resources, studying cancer. So what is the real cause?

Alternatively, you could realize that the real world doesn't work that way.

[GoneFishin]

19. Cancer researchers don't repeatedly harp on a single NON-cause of cancer ad nauseam.

They search for causes and cures.

If cancer researchers persistently expended more resources to argue that overhead power lines were NOT a cause of cancer rather than searching for what ARE the causes, and they were backed up by a chorus of shrill minion defenders, then I would want to know what the real dynamic behind the scenes was. I would want to know if they gave a damn about the cancer sufferers, or if they were just covering someone's ass against a flood of liability lawsuits.

[NuclearDem]

22. Damned if they do, damned if they don't

Mixed with some self-fulfilling prophecy.

Anti-vaxxers screed about vaccines causing autism and call for research to be done. If the studies aren't done, they scream "Big Pharma shills!" and keep on going. When the studies are done and show they're claims are completely bogus, they scream "Big Pharma shills!" and screed over why the medical community wastes time investigating a supposed "non-cause", completely oblivious to the fact that the studies were done specifically because of their screeds.

So, perhaps anti-vaxxers can stop focusing on a non-cause and worry about actually finding the causes instead of wasting everyone's time.

[NuclearDem]

18. They would be looking for an actual cause

If they didn't have to waste resources debunking the anti-vax bullshit.

[LostOne4Ever]

21. Suprise!

Vaccines don't cause autism. Who would have ever thought it....except all the people have been keeping tabs on the countless other studies proving this.

Anti-vaxxers, like all woo advocates, are NEVER going to change their minds.