Every single person who refers to Glenn Greenwald as GG is using a homophobic meme.

[Luminous Animal]

When he was Bush's bane, the right wing would regularly refer to him as Gigi or GG.

[LeftyMom]

1. I was just thinking this evening that the people demanding to know why he wasn't in the US,

why he didn't return the second doing so with his partner was legalized, and generally questioning his patriotism NEVER ONCE said anything similar (or anything at all, really) about Laura Poitras.

And I don't think it takes a rocket surgeon to figure out why.

[MADem]

63. Poitras doesn't put herself out there--that's why.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that the person on every talk show, talking head show, tweeting up a storm and calling people names would get the most attention.

I don't see Poitras making the rounds...point me to her video appearances with John Stewart (aka JS) or Stephen Colbert (SC) or David Gregory (DG) or a host of other TV personalities, please. And cut/paste her inflammatory tweets and posts so we can discuss those, too.

Oh--and what was the name of HER book that just dropped? Anyone? Buehler?

Yeah, it sure as tooting doesn't take a rocket surgeon....to figure out that not-so-veiled accusations of homophobia are ugly as hell and shouldn't be tolerated here or anywhere else.

[joshcryer]

73. It's beyond disgusting.

I use "GG" regularly, when posting from my phone, because it's easier and everyone knows what I'm saying. I have never slandered Greenwald for his orientation and support his life choices. I even support his reporting on the NSA and consider it generally accurate. This is the worst kind of smear I've seen on DU.

[MADem]

79. I have to wonder about people who make everything about sex.

Equality is a plank in our party platform, after all--to us, it's as good as settled law...it's just the GOP that needs to catch up.

When people start using the particulars of a person's orientation as a cudgel in a political debate--particularly on a left wing forum--though, I gotta say What's Up With THAT?

Talk about a blunt instrument...and a complete failure to argue the merits!

[LeftyMom]

135. You think a Greenwald's identity as a gay man is "about sex"?

Thanks for making my damn point for me.

[MADem]

169. No--I think YOU do, as evidenced by your doubling and tripling down on a false accusation.

You really take the cake--throughout this thread you have done nothing but pot-stir and accuse, and I notice it, and I point it out.

Thank YOU for making MY damn point for me.

You really should be ashamed.

[MannyGoldstein]

81. So you only hate homosexuals when using your phone

Interesting.

(Just kidding: accusing people of using GG because they hate homosexuals is a bit off the mark)

[joshcryer]

83. Apparently.

My phone is clearly a homophobic device in which, my typing "GG" as opposed to "Greenwald" (4.5x more characters), exposes my latent tendencies.

(It's rare when we're on the same page, I just felt really bugged by this because I do use "GG" a lot on my phone, it never occurred to me someone would slight me for that.)

[MannyGoldstein]

84. Anything whatsoever we post can be construed as a hate crime these days

e.g., http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4992750

It's totally out of control, and is causing long-time posters to leave. Fight it, and get banned.

[joshcryer]

85. Wrong link?

Not sure what that link is about. I adapt to the goings on here. While I appreciate LA greatly (despite that we've come at odds with one another, and I've admittedly been a bastard at times) I'm not going to write her off over this flamebait. It just sucks, is all. There are like 10-15 DUers I put at high esteem intellectually. Hey, you might be one of them, I'm not sure on that. I'm probably wrong about my previous speculations about you, but whatever. I think people post shit to post shit and drive drama more than anything.

But there's always good gems in there, and that's the only reason I've been coming here for over a decade.

[MannyGoldstein]

87. Yes, wrong link

Fixed now. I'd accidentally deleted the final character in the URL.

[VanillaRhapsody]

101. Wonder what it means when we type EW or BO or HC or for that matter....POTUS!!!?

this is pathetic!

[LeftyMom]

134. I can't speak for the OP but I'm not veiling shit, thinly or otherwise.

[MADem]

167. No, you're coming right out and endorsing a false charge.

How quaint of me to be subtle.

[LeftyMom]

148. So your problem isn't reporting on the leaks, it's being visible while doing it?

Come on, that's not a convincing argument and you know it.

[MADem]

166. My "problem" --- as you call it -- is false accusations of homophobia,

and the people who enable those false accusations.

Shame on YOU.

[pnwmom]

2. So you think every single person knows what the right wing called him during the Bush years?

I'd never heard about it. His initials are GG and I doubt that most people connect that with anything else.

(How many DUers do you think listen to Limbaugh or Beck or any other source like that? I'm assuming those are the kinds of sites you're talking about.)

[Puzzledtraveller]

5. It's a big stretch

I never knew anything about it either, when I saw GG being used I knew it was based on his initials the OP claim is ridiculous. Hard to imagine thinking that hard, or digging that deep just to come up with this.

[jberryhill]

15. Stop Using "DU"

If you use "DU" instead of Democratic Underground, we ALL know what you are trying to insinuate.

[wandy]

131. No, pnwmom may have a point here........

I had to go through more than one thread to figure out what we all were talking about here.
Then and again the right wing rant about Obama's ears was also total lost on me.

[Tarheel_Dem]

203. Great question. Why is she so familiar with what the "rightwing" was doing? n/t

[struggle4progress]

3. Those are his initials: I'm a poor typist and sometimes use GG to save keystrokes

If you catch somebody saying "GG" while pantomiming some gay stereotype, you have a case

Just using his initials isn't a problem that I can see

[morningfog]

165. I smell bullshit. What other names do you abbreviate due to your poor, poor typing skills?

[Cha]

180. I'm sure you do "smell bullshit".

[Cha]

182. I'm a good typist and use "GG" interchangably with "Greenwald" "Glenn" or

whatever I damn well please. Those who accuse members of being "homophobic" because his initials are used are using homophobia for their own agenda.

[MADem]

223. The OP uses it too.

She used it in a post that couldn't be deleted (thanks, META)!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5004186

[Cha]

226. Thank you for that.. it was Ridiculous before and now it's just in the

freaking Twilight Zone.

[MADem]

228. Hypocritical, at the least.

Hurrah for the dissolution of META. Makes it harder to disappear those inconvenient posts in those journals!

[Cha]

229. Oh, that's right.. I get it now why it can't be "deleted".. nm

[MADem]

230. Probably would have been long gone by now, otherwise... nt

[Cha]

232. We never would have had the hypocrisy written down for Posterity. nm

[Tarheel_Dem]

238. Oh snap! MA, I dub thee "Hypocrite Slayer". I'm hoping you'll get a response, but that ain't gonna

happen, EVER!!!!!

[MADem]

239. It's a real "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" attitude up in here, I guess! nt

[ucrdem]

4. Links?

[Gravitycollapse]

6. I don't see it. Maybe I'm too young to remember?

But GG are his initials. I see a lot of disdain towards him on this board. But referring to his initials doesn't seem like part of that hatred.

[SheilaT]

7. Since when are someone's initials

a homophobic meme?

Really?

[MNBrewer]

103. It's just his initials (wink, wink)

[arely staircase]

149. that's homophone, not homophobe nt

[uppityperson]

8. good god

Seems context is important when using someone's initials.

[jberryhill]

28. Well, why did we spell Dubya all the way?

[uppityperson]

158. many just used *, I called him shrub or babybush

[MADem]

171. Actually, when we wanted to insult that assclown, we called him Dumbya instead of "W." nt

[LeftyMom]

9. Oooh, you seem to have struck the expected nerves.

[jberryhill]

29. Yes, the humerus nerve primarily

[joshcryer]

75. I'm genuinely offended.

Luminous Animal is a poster I've come to respect but they are trying to insult those of us who use "GG" as homophobes. I've only ever used the initials when posting from my phone, I almost always refer to GG as Greenwald on the computer and I never call him by his first name (which I think would be diminutive). If I ever said GG on my computer it was purely as a quick response, nothing more.

This is seriously fucked up. Judging posting behavior like this and broad brushing people who really want to have genuine substantive conversations about the issues at hand. I hate it when Luminous Animal falls into this trap of posting shit to hurt other DUers.

[msanthrope]

93. Josh...I once had a post hidden for "homophobia" for calling GG a ratfucker.

Skinner actually was kind enough to answer in ATA that he'd never heard of the term "ratfucker" used as a homophobic slur....it's a term dating from the Nixon era with historical importance.

I draw your attention to my previous exchange with the OP on DU last year, over GG......


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023040270


Something rather interesting is going on here, no????

[AnalystInParadise]

152. I had a post hidden a few days ago

for calling someone "daft" when they said veterans should not be upset at the VA and Shinseki. DAFT was considered racist/hateful/misogynistic........compliments of BOG of course.

[msanthrope]

154. You do understand the difference between calling a DUer "daft" and a non-DUer "daft?" nt

[MADem]

76. Yeah, the fuckingus bullshitticus nerve--and your little "OOOooooh" rofl piling on

to spurious accusations of homophobia is nothing short of obscene.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. LMAO...now referring to him by his initials is verboten...

The Greenwald fans are just embarrassing themselves at this point.

[shenmue]

39. Yeah

I had to scratch my head there.

[MADem]

173. More than embarrassing themselves--they're showing their true colors.

I don't think they're friends of Democrats and other progressives. No one who was could make such a broad-brushed statement about a wide group of people without flinching just a bit.

[Number23]

185. They have ALWAYS embarrassed themselves. But this is extra face palm-y

[savalez]

211. ...

[Behind the Aegis]

11. Absurd.

"GiGi" is homophobic. "Gigli" is homophobic. However, "every single person" using GG, which are his initials, is not homophobic. Can some use it in a way to substitute for the aforementioned, yes. What a ridiculous assertion.

[Hekate]

13. Thank. You.

[uppityperson]

159. thank you, that is my take also.

[sheshe2]

204. Thanks you!

And many times when I respond to you, BtA, I use your initials as your name is to long to type out. You haven't called me out.

Also I have been called by my initials since I was a baby. My dad wanted to call me CC, does that make him guilty of misogyny!?

I agree, this whole thing is absurd.

[LuvLoogie]

12. I thought it stood for Gay Gay,

or Goo Goo, or Ga Ga

or Good God....

[jberryhill]

14. Golly Gee! Goodness Gracious!

[Lancero]

138. Good Game!

[Cali_Democrat]

16. BTW...he was never really "Bush's bane" when it counted

He fully backed Bush's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. He wanted retribution for 9/11. He was waving that American flag and deferring to his commander in chief all while licking Bush's feet.

Only after the war became unpopular did he back away from the disaster that was Bush.

Greenwald is true conservative who is all about the money. He will do anything and everything to make money.

[pnwmom]

17. Good point. Thanks. n/t

[Gravitycollapse]

18. I'll be straight with you. I'm too young to know if what you are claiming of him is true...

I was in elementary school when we invaded Afghanistan and junior high when we invaded Iraq.

I know only of Glenn Greenwald from his recent work around the NSA leaks.

So I ask with all the sincerity in the world that you please provide some evidence of his supposed war-hawking. You may be right and I'll be better educated on the subject. But what I've been reading so far indicates that he has expressed contempt for American imperialism and specifically in the realm of the war in Afghanistan.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. Here ya go

<...>

This is not to say that I was not angry about the attacks. I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country, and I wanted an aggressive response from our government. I was ready to stand behind President Bush and I wanted him to exact vengeance on the perpetrators and find ways to decrease the likelihood of future attacks. During the following two weeks, my confidence in the Bush administration grew as the president gave a series of serious, substantive, coherent, and eloquent speeches that struck the right balance between aggression and restraint. And I was fully supportive of both the president’s ultimatum to the Taliban and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan when our demands were not met. Well into 2002, the president’s approval ratings remained in the high 60 percent range, or even above 70 percent, and I was among those who strongly approved of his performance.

<...>


I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/glenn-greenwald-supported-president-bush-as-he-signed-the-patriot-act/

[ucrdem]

21. Yep that's it. nt

[Gravitycollapse]

24. As stated below, the preface to that book was a reflection on previous views which had changed...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/30/1182442/-Glenn-Greenwald-Responds-to-Widespread-Lies-About-Him-on-Cato-Iraq-War-and-more

These claim [sic] are absolutely false. They come from a complete distortion of the Preface I wrote to my own 2006 book, How Would a Patriot Act? That book - which was the first book devoted to denouncing the Bush/Cheney executive power theories as radical and lawless - was published a mere six months after I began blogging, so the the purpose of the Preface was to explain where I had come from, why I left my law practice to begin writing about politics, and what my political evolution had been..

The whole point of the Preface was that, before 2004, I had been politically apathetic and indifferent - except for the work I was doing on constitutional law. That's because, while I had no interest in the fights between Democrats and Republicans, I had a basic trust in the American political system and its institutions, such that I devoted my attention and energies to preventing constitutional violations rather than political debates.

[Cali_Democrat]

27. Like I said, his views "changed" only after the war became an unpopular clusterfuck...

He's all about the money and it's hard to make money blogging, writing books and supporting something so unpopular.

His excuse is that he "had been politically apathetic and indifferent".

That's just pathetic considering how many Americans were sent off to war to die. He knew the consequences of the war and yet he decided to cheerlead and lick Bush's feet.

Thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's DEAD....

...and he supported it.

Fuck him.

[Gravitycollapse]

32. You haven't presented any evidence yet that he was a cheerleader for the Bush administration.

The only thing you've posted is an excerpt, taken without the context that he was admitting to being politically isolated and ignorant, Greenwald himself wrote.

When you say he was a cheerleader for Bush, what did he do to make you believe that? Obviously cheerleading is not simply holding a belief. You must have evidence of this cheerleading, right?

[Cali_Democrat]

34. LOL

OK...he wasn't cheerleading Bush's wars....

...he supported Bush's wars.

Better?

[Gravitycollapse]

37. Yes, that is actually a marked improvement. He did support them as he himself has admitted.

He also explained why he has since rejected those beliefs. Beside the fact that he has admitted to such beliefs, what evidence exists that his claims of change in belief are insincere?

[Cali_Democrat]

40. He has also railed against undocumented immigrants in the past

It's just impossible for me to believe that he isn't a conservative deep down even though he claims to have changed.

He supported the Bush/Cheney clusterfuck war and then he rails against undocumented immigration in a very conservative fashion.

Now people want to repackage him as some kind of left wing liberal.

Not buying it.

[Gravitycollapse]

42. Okay, but where is the evidence? I'm seriously asking and you haven't shown it.

You've posted an excerpt of his own disavowal of his previous beliefs 8 years ago. But you haven't posted any evidence of your claims beyond that.

[Cali_Democrat]

45. You asked me for evidence of his war-hawking and I gave it to you.

He was supportive of the war that led to thousands of American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

What additional evidence do you want?

[Gravitycollapse]

49. Well, you said he was anti-immigrant. How so?

[Cali_Democrat]

53. Here ya go...

Greenwald's own words:

And yet few problems are more pressing. Over the past several years, illegal immigrants have poured into the United States by the millions. The wave of illegals entering the country is steadily increasing. The people living in the border states of California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico know this flow has to be drastically slowed and then halted. The situation is so dire in that region that the Democratic Governors of Arizona and New Mexico were forced to declare States of Emergency as a result of the flow of illegals into their states and the resulting, massive problems which it brings.

The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.

SNIP......


But one of the most disturbing and destructive aspects of illegal immigration is that it is illegal. Indeed, that is the precise attribute which separates good immigration from bad immigration. Why should Republicans, or anyone, shy away from pointing out that illegal immigration, among its many evils, is “illegal”? That is just absurd. Moreover, it is precisely the fact that illegal immigrants enter the country illegally that spawns justifiable resentment, not only among large clusters of middle-of-the-road voters, but also among the very legal immigrant population about which Sanchez is so concerned. Emphasizing the "illegal" part of this problem is what Republicans need to do more of, not less.

SNIP..

The real irony here is that the problem of illegal immigration is actually one of the very few of the ever-dwindling number of issues that has the opportunity to forge common ground among factions of voters which are, these days, engaged in a ceaseless war with each other. Being worried, and outraged, about illegal immigration is not confined to the extreme precincts of conservatism. Middle-class suburban voters whose primary concerns are local and pragmatic, rather than ideological, know the danger which illegal immigration poses to their communities and to their states, and they want something done about it.


http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html

[Gravitycollapse]

56. Okay, but he recanted on that subject, giving a similar explanation as before

That he was politically isolated and ignorant. In this instance he said that he was just beginning to blog and didn't know what he was talking about. Certainly not a shining moment for his career. But it, again, appears that his views have changed markedly since then.

Greenwald has a large body of work regarding his anti-imperialist, anti-authoritarian credentials. I just find it weird, as I think others do as well, that the only arguments for him being anti-immigrant or pro-war revolve around things he said a decade ago and has since admitted to being factually incorrect and morally wrong.

[randome]

104. He's 'recanted' quite a bit, hasn't he?

Has Snowden recanted his position that leakers should be shot in the balls? When both members of this dynamic duo seem to have a long history of being mean-spirited and Libertarian in nature, doesn't it make you a little suspicious that they want the world to believe just the opposite now?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[Gravitycollapse]

161. Is twice quite a bit?

[uponit7771]

142. No he didn't, he just said "it was long time ago" as if that exonerates his asshat views on the

...issue

[Tarheel_Dem]

210. He always "recants" when his position becomes unpopular.

[nationalize the fed]

61. Hillary Clinton: I cast my Iraq war vote "With Conviction"

Now people want to repackage him as some kind of left wing liberal.

It's just impossible for me to believe that he isn't a conservative deep down even though he claims to have changed.

Wasn't Hillary Rodham a Goldwater Girl?

Rodham then volunteered to campaign for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater in the U.S. presidential election of 1964

[sabrina 1]

136. How did you find out about Greenwald's views on the Iraq War??

Let me help, HE wrote about it himself, and KUDOS to ANYONE who admits they were able to see the lies they had been told after 9/11 and once that happened, withdrew their support and were, as he was, extremely angry at being emotionally manipulated by the Bush gang of war criminals.

If only Hillary had done what Greenwald did.

Oh and the Think Tanks hired to smear Greenwald USED and TWISTED his words to try to get the Left angry at him. The Right has always been furious with him, but they needed the Left to stop supporting him. It hasn't worked of course, intelligent people are not that easily manipulated.

They do count on people to help them spread the smears around though. You would think they would retract this particular one though as it has been debunked and exposed for what it is so often, all it does is make his enemies look desperate, talk about back-firing.

[Tarheel_Dem]

212. You mean "think tanks" like this one?

[sabrina 1]

235. Thank you, and now we have talking point #2, the 'Cato Talking point'. Also refuted so often it's a

wonder anyone would try to use it anymore. I could post a list of Democrats who also have spoken at the Cato Inst, but it's been done so often, that I figure if someone still thinks this particular 'think tank' talking point has any traction, best to let them keep on demonstrating the failure of the 'project' to smear journalists like Greenwald.

Btw, thanks for the demo. I was going to list that one among the six or so that were obviously intended to do something, though what, no one seems to know.

Let's see if you can come up with the other four?

Now we have two, 'he supported the war, and 'he spoke at Cato'. I'm looking forward to finding the other four somewhere in this thread.

[Tarheel_Dem]

236. Well, you certainly know from "talking points". When you're not running around the board....

sounding like you swallowed an Occupy manifesto, and extolling the virtues of Russian state run media, you're making up "facts" to suit your argument, whatever the hell that might be on any given day.

Press on, sabrina. Someday, you too, may overcome. Oh, by the way, did you ever find that link to support "50 million US households now view RT"?

[sabrina 1]

245. Of course I do. I was hoping you would supply us with talking point #3.

I'm sure someone else will though, I guess when a lot of money is paid for talking points, it's only natural to keep on trying them out no matter how ridiculously easy they are to refute.

[Tarheel_Dem]

246. Just for you!

[Smarmie Doofus]

74. I'm underwhelmed.

Lots of people... including many DEMS .... including most LEADING DEMS... said and thought more or less exactly the same thing.

Give us some context. How old was he at the time? How old is he now? Has he recanted these views? Should one not incorporate new... and previously unknown and unknowable... data info into one's world view?

Is it your premise that since GG ( I disagree with the OP's premise that this is homophobic shorthand) was wrong about Bush/Taliban/Afghanistan in 2002 then he must be wrong about everything he says and writes in 2014?

[Cha]

183. Yeah, "bush's bane".. :( nm thanks Cali

[ucrdem]

20. It's in the preface to How Would a Patriot Act

which is Greenwald's first book, published in 2006, long after it would have made an actual difference in the 2004 presidential election. I have yet to hear Greenwald breathe a word of support for John Kerry or any other actual Democrat.

[Gravitycollapse]

22. The preface to that book was a reflection on his past views and how they had changed...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/30/1182442/-Glenn-Greenwald-Responds-to-Widespread-Lies-About-Him-on-Cato-Iraq-War-and-more

The whole point of the Preface was that, before 2004, I had been politically apathetic and indifferent - except for the work I was doing on constitutional law. That's because, while I had no interest in the fights between Democrats and Republicans, I had a basic trust in the American political system and its institutions, such that I devoted my attention and energies to preventing constitutional violations rather than political debates.

[ucrdem]

25. How could any sentient being living on the planet earth trust Cheney and Dumbya

without subscribing to the ideology that allegedly got them elected? I'm not buying it.

[Gravitycollapse]

31. Not buying what? That his political perspective changed? What is so hard to believe about that?

He speaks specifically to that issue by stating that he was politically isolated and uneducated on the subject. His views changed when he became more fully aware of the situation.

Are you arguing that people can't have stark revelations like that? For instance, the President has stated his views evolved on gay marriage. Are you arguing his change in position was insincere? Is he still against gay marriage despite the fact that he has explained how and why his views have changed?

I just find this very interesting. All of the pieces I can find written by Greenwald going back more than half a decade indicate that he was against our foreign occupations and wars.

[ucrdem]

35. I don't believe a word of it. A Manhattan lawyer politically isolated and uneducated

on the subject of politics? Come on. Do you believe it?

[Gravitycollapse]

38. One of my best philosophy professors was a former Manhattan attorney...

Who had a crisis of identity after realizing the idiocy of his life choices and beliefs and completely changed everything. He admitted to having a deeply isolated, jaded perspective on many things which included the political.

Now he teaches, among other things, existential philosophy.

[ucrdem]

41. If Greenwald was teaching existential philosophy somewhere I might believe him.

But where's the epiphany? He was an unethical attorney who lost his license and owes thousands to the IRS so he basically declares war on his own government, more or less civilly, but when Obama get elected he hits pay dirt with double platinum dog whistles. No change what soevery, except that he's found his métier. So I'm afraid I'm not remotely convinced by any of Greenwald's transparent CYA's.

[Gravitycollapse]

44. He let his law license lapse much like President Obama.

Which he wrote extensively about in the article I posted...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/30/1182442/-Glenn-Greenwald-Responds-to-Widespread-Lies-About-Him-on-Cato-Iraq-War-and-more

[ucrdem]

50. I would say Obama is making excellent use of his legal knowledge

and Greenwald is putting his to very shabby ends. I also do not believe anything he claims about himself because his claims change with the wind are often wrong. If you want me to document that I will but not tonight.

[Gravitycollapse]

52. Yes, whenever you can do so, I would greatly appreciate it if you could document it for me.

I don't expect you to write me an essay but just showing a bit of insight and pointing me in the right direction to find information would help immensely.

[ucrdem]

60. here's a piece on lies he told about Miranda's arrest:

from "A Pathetic Slap from a Lying Bully" by Joshua Faust, supporting links in the original:

When his partner, David Miranda, was detained on Sunday by the authorities at Heathrow Airport, Greenwald was in fine form expressing outrage. Here, too, he simply lied — openly. Greenwald wrote that Miranda was “not allowed to have a lawyer present,” and portrayed his detention as the baseless harassment of a family member.

In short order it emerged that Miranda’s trip was actually funded by the Guardian , and his specific purpose was to carry top secret government files between Rio de Janeiro and Berlin to Laura Poitras, the filmmaker who is collaborating with Greenwald on his NSA stories. Moreover, the Guardian later reported that Miranda was: a) offered legal representation in accordance with British law, an offer Miranda rejected; and b) allowed to have a lawyer present for the last 90 minutes of his detention.

There is no other way to describe Glenn Greenwald’s initial reaction: it was knowingly, deliberately, false. Yet again, he lied. But the damage was already done. Hordes of angry twitter followers flooded the internets to angrily dispute any deviation from his original lies about the incident, shouting down all who dared to point out the very simple truth that he lied. Again.

http://joshuafoust.com/pathetic-slap-from-lying-bully/

[grasswire]

179. the unintended irony in this post is off the charts

OMG.

[msanthrope]

151. Um, no..his law licence is "suspended" as opposed to "lapsed." In NY state you can voluntarily

resign your license, and thereby both keep yourself eligible for reentry with a certificate of good standing, while avoiding the bar fees.....Greenwald did not choose this option.

I suspect that the New York State tax liens and the federal tax liens he owes would prevent reinstatement, currently.

[Ikonoklast]

191. He seemed to have forgotten how close he was to being censured.

Which just might have been the real reason he decided to leave law and seek another way to earn a living.

His own explanation as to why he suddenly lost interest in practicing law is flippant and unbelievable, his epiphany also had some other more likely reasons involved, more deadly reasons.

Greenwald seems to conveniently forget that his sudden disinterest in being a practicing attorney had a lot to do with his unethical behavior during the Matthew Hale case.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002101211

Greenwald is a chameleon, he fools so many here.

To others that have had dealings throughout their lives with people such as him, they are easy to spot for what they truly are, grasping opportunists who will do or say anything in order to make money.

I see Greenwald as the same type of person as a Glen Beck, a rank opportunists with no real core values except their loyalty to their bank balance.

[Tarheel_Dem]

215. +1. Sibel Edmonds called him "an ambulance chasing style attorney".

[Luminous Animal]

92. 70% of the population supported the Iraq invasion. Including leading Dems in Congress.

Are you saying Hillary Clinton is not sentient?

[ucrdem]

94. Are you calling Greenwald a Clinton supporter?

Because that would be interesting.

[Comrade Grumpy]

121. Ask all those Democrats who voted for Bush and Cheney's war.

[ucrdem]

122. Greenwald was not to my knowledge an elected representative. nt

[struggle4progress]

89. I have to wonder how anybody manages to stay apathetic until age 35

I held politically naive views for decades, but I started paying some attention to politics before I got out of elementary school

Greenwald's views in his late 40s are so politically immature I can only compare them to the idiotic views my friends and I held in high school

What was he doing in his adolescence? I remember lots of political turmoil in the Reagan era: apartheid became an international issue; Reagan's wars in Central America were a hot topic; many folk paid attention to Stars Wars and the effort to stop nuclear testing ...

The Wikipedia page indicates he ran unsuccessfully for city council in the mid-1980s and then enrolled in George Washington University. I don't see how the fuck he could have drifted through DC in that era and retained "a basic trust in the American political system and its institutions" or thought that the political issues of the day were just partisan squabbles between Republicans and Democrats. Iran-Contra was big news when he was in college. It involved drug-dealing, and US arms shipments to Iran, and an illegal war run from the White House basement. All the abuses under GWB had precedents under RR and GHWB: hell, part of the initial concern about GWB was that he brought lots of ugly people with ugly pasts back to DC -- folk like Elliott Abrams and John Negroponte and Otto Reich. Greenwald didn't notice anything in the 2000 elections that gave him pause?

[arely staircase]

108. yeah, it makes no sense

Greenwald and I are roughly the same age. He became a constitutional lawyer in New York and I became an elementary school teacher in the rural South. And I am supposed to believe that he wasn't exposed to the issues the way I was in the 1980s and 1990s?

[struggle4progress]

110. Well, he says he was a constitutional lawyer, but he originally practiced corporate law, and

if you look at the cases he's described after leaving the corporate practice, they don't sound much like constitutional law to me:

... One of his first solo cases — “shitty cases,” as he calls them — was representing a Wachtell Lipton partner’s secretary who was fighting with a neighbor who had accused the secretary of having an affair with her husband. Greenwald represented the secretary and sued the neighbor for defamation, and the case settled. “She ended up paying money that she didn’t really have,” he said. “I feel guilty about that to this day. I so excessively litigated it. I was just, like, drowning this poor woman with all kinds of legal papers” ... Greenwald helped win a $1.8 million settlement for .. a nurse at Staten Island University Hospital who .. injured her back ... Greenwald also spent roughly five years defending the First Amendment rights of neo-Nazis, including Matthew Hale ... Greenwald also litigated on behalf of himself and his then partner ... In 1994, they had been looking for an apartment in Manhattan together, and one landlord .. required a certain income minimum to be met for rental applicants ... Greenwald eventually asked his father in Florida to co-sign on the lease ...They moved in, and Greenwald promptly sued their new landlord. He settled the case for about $20,000, but not before racking up the landlord’s legal bill. “They ended up firing their legal team,” Greenwald said ... “I was obnoxious. I refused to answer their questions” ...
How Glenn Greenwald Became Glenn Greenwald
Jessica Testa

So, OK, let's look into this bit about defending the First Amendment rights of neo-Nazis

CHICAGO, Jan. 8 — A white supremacist was arrested this afternoon on charges that he had solicited someone to kill a federal judge ...Matthew Hale .. was taken into custody .. as he headed to a conference on the copyright case in the courtroom of Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow... Law enforcement officials .. said Mr. Hale had crossed the line when he asked another person to "forcibly assault and murder" Judge Lefkow. "Certainly freedom of speech and freedom of religion are important in our society here in America," Thomas J. Kneir of the F.B.I. told reporters ... "But the threat of physical violence will not be tolerated" ... Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer for Mr. Hale, said ... "They are probably trying to take things he said along the lines of political advocacy and turn it into a crime" ...
White Supremacist Is Held in Ordering Judge's Death
By JODI WILGOREN
January 9, 2003

... Hale was sentenced to a 40-year prison term for soliciting an undercover FBI informant to kill federal judge Joan Lefkow ...

Greenwald wasn't defending Hale's constitutional speech rights, unless perhaps you could soliciting a hit on a federal judge a free speech issue: Greenwald was actually helping Hale fend off a raft of civil suits

[Tarheel_Dem]

216. Because he's full of shit. He ran locally, at age 17, on "The National States' Rights" ticket.

And the "states' rights" dogwhistle boiled down to it's most basic essence =

[struggle4progress]

217. Are you sure? I would happily repeat that, if I knew it were true, but

the hits I'm getting for Greenwald + "National States' Rights" seem to refer to his White Supremacist client

I did find some articles about GG's unsuccessful runs for city council:

LAUDERDALE LAKES ... Greenwald, a Nova High School senior, is challenging three incumbents and a fourth candidate for a council seat. Only three will win. The grandson of former Councilman L.L. Greenwald, young Greenwald attempted to tackle the topics of roads and council expense accounts at Tuesday night's council meeting. "The road with the 7-Eleven," said Greenwald. "You can`t even drive on it." (Greenwald later acknowledged the store was a Tenneco and not a 7- Eleven) ...
Young Candidate Stirs Lakes
By Alan Cherry, Staff Writer
January 24, 1985

... Incumbents Mac Klein, Lou Tenner and Harry Rosenkrantz easily retained their seats Tuesday, beating first-time candidates Glenn Greenwald and Alfonso Scott Junious ...
Lakes Voters Decree More Of The Same
By Alan Cherry, Staff Writer
March 14, 1985

... Greenwald, the grandson of former Lauderdale Lakes City Council member L.L. Greenwald, is now attending George Washington University in Washington, D.C. He has joined the Young Democrats on campus and has kept his interest in government. "You might see me run again, once I finish school," Greenwald said. "That`s maybe still six or seven years off, but the wait will be worth it" ...
Quiet Lauderdale Lakes Faces Year Of Unprecedented Change
By Alan Cherry, Staff Writer
January 1, 1986

LAUDERDALE LAKES -- The grandson of a former City Council member was physically escorted from a council meeting by Broward sheriff`s deputies on Tuesday night after refusing to leave the podium. Glenn Greenwald, 23, stepped up to the podium during the public portion of the meeting to decry the city`s committee form of government, which, Greenwald said, prevents working people from participating in city affairs ... Gereffi said the matter will be taken up in committee and Greenwald reiterated that he could not attend committee meetings. Gereffi and Greenwald went back and forth about the matter for several minutes and Gereffi then asked the deputies to take Greenwald from the room ...
Lakes Mayor Refuses Reform Discussion
By TAO WOOLFE, Staff Writer
October 4, 1990

... Lauderdale Lakes resident Glenn Greenwald, 23, filed on Monday to run for a one-year term on the City Council. He has lived in the city for 22 years and ran unsuccessfully for office when he was 18 years old ...
Five More Candidates Seek Government Seats
January 9, 1991

... Opposing them -- and losing -- was Glenn Greenwald, 23, who was making his second bid for a council seat ...
Lauderdale Lakes Incumbents Sweep Races, Dominate Seats On Council
March 13, 1991

LAUDERDALE LAKES -- A former City Council candidate who charged that his opponent`s candidacy was illegal and took the city to court will have to pay about $700 in court costs to the city, City Attorney James Brady said. Before the election, Glenn Greenwald, 23, had asked the court to prevent the city from putting Abe Hassing`s name on the ballot, claiming Hassing`s candidacy was illegal because he served on a city board and received a salary for his work. Election laws say that anyone who receives a salary for his work on a city board must resign before running for political office. City code said Hassing`s position was voluntary and his reimbursement was for expenses ...
Ex-candidate Must Pay Court Costs
May 5, 1991

[Tarheel_Dem]

220. I can't find the blurb right now. Perhaps I saved it on my home pc. Will check when I get home.

[Madam45for2923]

295. Interesting! on Greenwald!

[MannyGoldstein]

82. Same goes for Hillary Clinton

Do you hold as much animus for her?

[KittyWampus]

178. If you have animus for Hillary Clinton & her Iraq vote… why not Greenwald?

LOL

[MannyGoldstein]

189. My position on this is clear

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024932545

[Crunchy Frog]

129. I would love to see links

to any of his blog posts or public utterances where he is supporting either Bush or his wars.

I need to have these references in order to properly attack him in online debates.

[Skittles]

23. it's the Tiger Beat crowd - what do you expect?

being juvenile is SOP

[JohnnyRingo]

26. I don't see how "GG" is homophobic.

Just because the initials are a homophone of a girls name does not indicate intent of bigotry. I think that's quite a stretch.

Hair band Poison's guitarist CC Deville would probably laugh at the idea that he has a girl's name as well. This sound like something Nelson Muntz would dream up as a school yard taunt.

[TDale313]

48. People have been using it in a...

Cutesy/derisive fashion, aimed at an openly gay man, for a while. It's a dog whistle. Same dynamic as when someone uses BHO to refer to President Obama. Do I think everyone who uses the initials GG intends it that way, or is aware of that fact? No. And the OP didn't say that. It pointed out that it is something that has been used that way, and those who decide to use just the initials should be aware of that if they weren't already.

[uppityperson]

160. I prefer BHO to BO, is less derisive imo.

BO is acronym for body odor, adding the H gets it away from that.

[MADem]

168. But-but-but!!!! That "H" is for HUSSEIN, which must mean that you're making fun of him!!!

Mocking his father's Islamic roots!


Or maybe, subtly calling him a "Pretty Boy!" After all, Hussein is a word that means, in essence "Handsome."

Extreme for the irony-impaired.

[uppityperson]

177. Heh. I mock those who think that of his middle name, wear it proudly to show them they are

bigots

[MADem]

184. Those people are anti-religious blessings, too,

as the name Barack (and Mubarak for that matter) all have the root term for BLESSING in them...

In essence, our President's name says that he is a good looking blessing!

[TDale313]

30. Thank you for bringing this up.

The Gigi/GG thing does bother me. I don't think everyone intends the GG thing that way, but some certainly do, and as for Gigi there's just no question to me that is homophobic. I'm sure many using the initials weren't thinking of it that way, which is why it's so good to bring this up.

[jberryhill]

33. What about married people who use it?

[Gravitycollapse]

36. Wait, here's you in 2011 talking about how great it was that a dog was named GiGi after him...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1857190

That is you, correct? Care to explain that?

[HangOnKids]

43. How did you search for that post without a star?

You were not here in 2011 to bookmark that, so how did you access it? Just curious.

[JI7]

46. google

[HangOnKids]

51. Hey thanks for reminding me that I never put you on ignore

See ya.

[joshcryer]

77. Cute.

Dude answers a question informatively, shit talk them. Please add me.

[Gravitycollapse]

47. I searched "Glenn Greenwald gigi" on Google because I wanted to see what came back...

I honestly was not expecting to find that DU thread. Which was the second result.

[MADem]

66. I think this thread is an insult to DUers because the thread starter is angry at people

on this website who don't think that GG is the Second Coming.

It's a shitty way to express one's displeasure, to wrongly and falsely accuse DUers of being homophobes.


It's even worse when we find ourselves in "He or she who smelt it, dealt it" territory--that thread has a GiGi AND a GG in it, and no one is complaining. Funny how THAT works.

That was a very good catch on your part....and I'm waiting to hear the explanation too....

So far, crickets. Funny that.

[Gravitycollapse]

68. I'm decidedly on the side of Greenwald. But an OP like this is bad news...

We'll have to wait and see.

[MADem]

222. Especially when the OP writer has used the GG term herself in the past.

I think this is all about pot stirring.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5004186

[joshcryer]

78. It's rich.

Google me and GG or Greenwald. My shit is public. I do not hide. The GG's are so rare and obviously on my phone as short responses it's joke. If I felt attacked I'd say this entire post was aimed at me, but I have been very respectful to Greenwald, even though lately I've been calling him a liar (because, looking at the evidence, it's become clear). So even if it was aimed at me I can't rationally be bothered by it. It's just petulant nonsense.

[Luminous Animal]

90. How strange! I have a friend named Johnna. Named after her father but no one calls her father Johnna

[saltpoint]

257. Is her father's name Johnna? If it is, maybe

people would call him that.

Otherwise I don't see why they would.

His name could be Tim or Lance or Colin or Ludwig or Baxter or Bill.

In those cases, respectively, I'd assume people would call him by his name.

If people called him Lance when his name was Colin, they'd be in error.

Then Colin could say, "Hey, my name is Colin."

And after that, everything would be fine.

[Luminous Animal]

260. So cool that you came out of retirement to entertain us with your word salad. Double spaced!

[saltpoint]

262. LL Bean. No No Nanette. CSNY.

[Luminous Animal]

268. What does a 300 pound canary say.

HERE KITTY KITTY KITTY.

[saltpoint]

269. If you have a canary that

weighs 300 pounds, it's no wonder you're in such a cranky mood all the time.

[Luminous Animal]

271. We spoon.

[struggle4progress]

111. It's very simple: THAT was a post by somebody who admired GG

Somebody who admires GG and names a dog GiGi after him is just showing him the wonderful respect he deserves

But those who don't admire GG -- well, for them we need the OP

[ChisolmTrailDem]

132. I'm confused. That post is by Oilwellian, not the OP of this thread. What am

I missing here. The OP responds later in the linked thread but does not use GG or GiGi.

[MADem]

174. Read the whole thread--the thread starter here was an enthused participant

in that other thread. Where was the OP back then, with this "initials thesis" if the entire right wing was on the guy's case? The response by the thread starter here in that OTHER thread should have been "HOW DARE YOU INSULT HIM WITH THAT NAME?" But it wasn't. Because this is a trumped up (ooooh, is that a reference to Donald, somehow?) charge, and shameful.

This OP is fiction, and the OP is trying a divide-and-conquer/false accusation charge out for size. I think it's rude and disruptive and is completely uncivil.

[Number23]

186. And with that, this thread just became bookmarkable

Thread's over. The OP can cut the lights off on their way out.

[Cali_Democrat]

207. LOL

[MADem]

231. But wait...there's MORE!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5004186

[MADem]

224. Here's the poster in 2012 USING the "GG" term griping about a post getting hidden.

I guess some people are better than others, and we can divine that THEY mean no harm, whilst others do?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5004186

[Blue_Tires]

54. Or they're just lazy and only feel like tapping the 'G' key twice

[jberryhill]

55. Good thing his letters aren't written by a secretary

[itsrobert]

57. Or trying to conserve space in the title/reply line

to get the message to fit the character limitations.

[Beearewhyain]

58. Is this a joke?

This is a joke right? Someone's initials are a homophobic slur? Please explain because I am seriously confused.

[MADem]

64. This is an accusation of HOMOPHOBIA and it is uncivil as hell. This thread is calling

everyone who refers to Greenwald as GG a gay hater, in essence. Without any justification or evidence to back it up, either.

It's one of those things that makes DU suck, IMO.

[Behind the Aegis]

65. It also, IMO, devalues homophobia.

There certainly those who may use "GG" as a slur, much like those who use "thug". However, to proclaim "every single person" who uses "GG" is perpetuating a homophobic meme is bullshit. Given that GG is all about transparency, I wish we still had it here at DU and the Meta forum was still available, at least for viewing, because it would make the post even more ludicrous than it already is.

[MADem]

67. You're damn tooting. I think this thread is a huge step over that line.

It trivializes the issue by painting GLBT people and allies with a nasty broad brush for purely partisan political reasons. It is ludicrous, and the poster should be fucking ASHAMED.

[LisaLynne]

86. Also, the OP hasn't returned to the thread that I see ...

which sort of makes me wonder what the purpose of posting this in such a manner was. I mean, you know? If you are truly convinced of that, I think it could be brought up in a less confrontational manner. Like, "Hey, do you know that ..." I mean, if you think people need that info, share it, and then let them decide for themselves.

Maybe I'm getting old, but all this fury directed at each other here is sort of starting to make me really sad and seem really pointless. Sigh. Maybe I just need another cup of coffee.

Edited to add: Not that I think any of the discussions here are pointless. I just wish sometimes it felt we were all working together more. Sigh... ok, coffee before I post anymore.

[MADem]

88. I know what you mean...

I'm not gonna jump on you with "How DARE you think DU discussions are pointless...Harrrumph!!!!!" because some of them are. Like this one, which is more than pointless, it's an embarrassment.

The unkindest cut of all towards all of us as a community is a completely undeserved, invented out of thin air, goad/bait, particularly when it is coming ostensibly from the left. We're better than this crap.

Coffee sounds like a good idea...

[davidpdx]

214. ^^^ This

[MADem]

221. Also, the OP making the accusation USED THE TERM in a post her very self.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=journals&uid=129546&year=2012&page=6

She can't delete it, either, because it was a META post. Hit that link and scroll down. This is what she wrote:

The original post that Greenwald hates Obama because GG is gay is allowed to stand

but mine is removed...

YEP--she said "GG." Way back in Jan 2012.

Hypocrisy? Unnecessary dramatics for attention-seeking sake?

Whoever smelt it, dealt it?

I don't know what it is, but it's blatant BS as far as I'm concerned.
Funny how that stuff works.

[Cha]

225. WOW, OMGoodness, MADem! The Blatant Hypocrisy is Stunning.. and this member of the

GG fan club has definitely gone Double Standard. "It's okay for me to use it but you can't or you're homophobic." Oh really.

Excellent find. SMH. Thanks Obama!

[stevenleser]

249. As they say in Tennis, Game, Set, Match. OP Loses 6-0, 6-0 in two golden sets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_set

[tammywammy]

59. Gigi yes, GG no.

That's silly to think using his initials is homophobic.

[MADem]

62. You're shitting me. What kind of slur is ES for Edward Snowden? How about GWB and

GHWB for the Bush presidents? How about HRC and WJC for the Clintons? BHO for Obama?

Sometimes an abbreviation is just an abbreviation.


Get over yourself. You are creating a contretemps for reasons that are known only to you, and those reasons are absurd.

I'm not about to type out that jerk's name every time I reference him, and his orientation has nothing to do with it.

Talk about a lame premise. This is one of the most absurd charges I've EVER seen leveled here at DU.

[saltpoint]

261. .....

[Demit]

69. What a goofy statement.

Deeply weird.

[Drunken Irishman]

70. JFK, FDR, RFK, LBJ, BHO...

Those homophobic slurs too?

[maddezmom]

71. Gigi perhaps but not GG.

[joshcryer]

72. Bullshit. I use "GG" when posting on my phone.

To slander me for using a shorter abbreviation when I'm typing on my phone is fucking pathetic. I almost always refer to Glen Greenwald as "Greenwald" as I do any other person by their last name when I'm on my computer.

This is a really fucked up meme to be spreading. So I can't post on my phone anymore or I'm forced to type the full name on my phone?

"Gigi" yes, I would agree, but I have never called him that.

[MannyGoldstein]

80. Is it even worse than using "etc"?

Because "etc" is pretty horrific:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4676059

I'd hate to find out that my hate speech is even worse than I already knew.

[sabrina 1]

133. Omg, Manny, what is WRONG with you!!

Talk about people digging as hard they can to try, as hard as they can, to find SOMETHING, ANYTHING to attack people who disagree with them.

I think that should go on the 'I'll find something on you if it kills me' Internet Wall of 'Most Desperate Attempts to Pin Something on Someone Who Disagrees With You on the Internet But I Will Not Debate You Because I Can't'.


I know, it's long but seriously, something is going on here that is not quite, well I'll be kind, right!

[Blue_In_AK]

153. Good Lord...

The nags are taking over this place.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

198. I'm amazed no one's pounced for the use of "nags."

That's how crazy this place has gotten in recent years.

[Blue_In_AK]

200. I must have slipped under the radar.

[sheshe2]

205. Guess that got under your skin Manny.

Once again thank you for highlighting not only my response but your OP as well.

[MannyGoldstein]

209. I cannot live with this terrible shame.

Each day I awake with a pit in my soul where my heart used to be.

For I have uttered the awful contraction.

[msanthrope]

91. LA, this thread is disturbing because I find myself agreeing with MannyGoldstein

on something.

I gotta go sit the fuck down.

[arely staircase]

95. jesus, mary and joseph

[msanthrope]

98. JMJ, you mean? nt

[ucrdem]

102. LOL

IMHO

[Whisp]

96. What a crock!

Jesus, is this all you got?

PATHETIC!

[msanthrope]

97. You posted this at 2 am EST, and have answered only one post.....

Thought I would save this.....

Every single person who refers to Glenn Greenwald as GG is using a homophobic meme. [View all]

When he was Bush's bane, the right wing would regularly refer to him as Gigi or GG.

[struggle4progress]

112. I think there's a word for such behavior, but it's somehow slipped me mind

[Jim Lane]

144. You used "EST" instead of "EDT"!

Your use of the wrong abbreviation clearly marks you as a right-wing troll. Or a defender of white privilege. Or something.

[msanthrope]

146. This thread is so stupid it's spawning apologia threads for it. N.B.....this will not end well. nt

[City Lights]

99. Sorry, but that never even crossed my mind.

People use initials all the time. I see what you mean, though. It's like when Republicans refer to Obama as "BO." They're "just" using his initials, but those initials also have a negative connotation. I typically refer to most people by their last name rather than their initials.

[quinnox]

100. unfortunately, there has always been an undercurrent of homophobia with some of the Greenwald hate

Not only have I seen gigi used, but some of these same super loyalist types would question why Greenwald was living in Brazil, as if he wasn't a "patriotic American" or something, pretending they didn't know it was because Greenwald's partner was from there, and they couldn't be married at the time in the United States.

Thanks for calling this out.

[MineralMan]

105. I don't think that's true. People use initials to abbreviate names

all the time. Personally, I don't do that very often. I've seen GG used to abbreviate Glenn Greenwald's name, but don't read in a way that I hear the sounds of what I read, so I never have thought of GG as Gigi.

People will continue to use initials for people's names, but that doesn't say anything about their intent in doing so. Mostly, it's just a shortcut.

I'm just not seeing the homophobic connection. It never even occurred to me. I just don't normally use initials, since there's too much room for mistaken identities.

[randome]

106. Now look, LA, you may be painting with too wide a brush here.

Granted, some may be using GG as a means to emphasize his assumed femininity. But I don't see how you can automatically assume that everyone is doing that so it's not really worth the time to complain about it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[Whisp]

119. be careful, using LA is like saying LA LA, and saying LA LA LAND

how insulting!

[randome]

124. Sorry about that, W. Whoops! Sorry about that, too!

Since 'W' has a negative connotation. But I don't think you're anything like Bush, Junior so I'd appreciate it if people would stop saying that!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[Whisp]

128. I was thinking of changing my name to Hisp because of that.

I sometime sign off my DU mail with a W and I get a little twitchy cringe each time, for that reason

[grasswire]

181. Greenwald's "assumed feminity"?

What's THAT about?

A gay man ASSUMES an identity?

I'm not a gay man, but I find that statement likely offensive to those who are.

And why would you assume that Greenwald is the "feminine" one in his partnership?

You got a lot of explaining to do here.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

199. Greenwald's "assumed femininity"? (n/t)

[rock]

107. Sometime "GG" is just a pair of letters

[Denzil_DC]

114. Sometimes it's just a horse.

* Out of here before the SPECIESIST!!!! slams *

[rock]

155. LOL! Sometimes it's just a movie

[SidDithers]

109. No, they're not...

Or the posts using GG would be getting hidden.

Sid

[Puglover]

113. Maybe some.

Certainly not all. Back when several posters were referring to him as "GiGi' they were called out on it. And then switched to GG.

So yeah, I would say some who use GG mean it as a dig. But to say "every single person" is IMHO not at all on the mark.

[Katashi_itto]

115. Even when it's his Initials?

[Iggo]

116. They know what they're doing.

And it ain't every single person.

But, yeah...

[laundry_queen]

123. ^^ this. nt

[WorseBeforeBetter]

197. Exactly. (n/t)

[Whisp]

117. I know why you are making this ridiculous accusation:

you posted this:


and I replied with this:
[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

and now yu mad as hell at me and calling me a homophobe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024987183

[MADem]

118. Yep, I think you got it.

That 2nd pic never gets old--work of art.

[msanthrope]

143. That is fuckin' awesome. And it's pretty obvious you got under some skin. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

218. I love it!

[Throd]

120. They're comparing him to GG Allin. Despicable.

..while we're pulling theories out of our assess,

[arely staircase]

147. and hot dogs nt

[AverageJoe90]

125. So can we call him "Glenwald" or something? LOL.

[randome]

126. 'Gled Snowwald'.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[Whisp]

130. Edlenn Greendon

[840high]

127. BS - it's JUST his initials.

[OregonBlue]

137. One of the silliest posts I've ever read on DU. Should we also speill out

American Civil Liberties Union instead of ACLE
Osama Bin Laden instead of OBL
Barrack Hussein Obama instead of BHO
George Walker Bush instead of GWB
Department of Defense instead of DOD

or how about Democratic Underground instead of DU?

Just plain silly.

[Bluenorthwest]

141. How about straight folks stop fighting equality, act like humans toward LGBT people for 10 minutes

then start pushing the insult envelope? Does it really cost you anything to treat others with respect, others who do not have equality under the law and thus are not on an equal footing with precious, perfected privileged straight folks?
The burdens you straight people face in life, you do you endure it?

[Throd]

145. How about we all fight stupidity and not get our collective undies in a bunch over "GG"?

"GiGi"? yeah, I can see that could be an insult.

"GG"? Seems like a stretch.

[OregonBlue]

157. How is using GG instead of Glen Greenwals fighting equality? Silly.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

139. GG. There, I said it. Funny...

I don't feel like a homophobe now any more than I did before I said that.

[arely staircase]

140. hitler nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

175. How about any less?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

188. How about none, before or after? I find it interesting how far you had to stretch to place doubt on

where I stand when it comes to gay people. A look at my posting history should bear that out without insinuating the worst of me because of clumsy wording. And particularly upsetting for me coming from you, whom I generally respect.

I am a hetero middle-aged progressive white male who who has a gay step-daughter (whom I raised) and niece as well as two male family members, all of whom I love dearly and none of whom I like to see having to deal with the idiocy of homophobes.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

192. Sorry. I couldn't resist the low hanging fruit.

But you have to admit, you brought on yourself just a little bit. You jumped in a thread discussing alleged homophobia with a "funny".

Look, I'm not too heavily invested with the "GG" part of the argument as I am with the "GiGi" piece. I would guess there is a majority of the people who are just typing initials.

But..... There is a pretty good overlap with some malcontents who jumped on the "GiGi" band wagon when it first appeared and subsequently switched to "GG" when called on it in an apparent attempt to be "too cute by half". Are they all homophobes? Probably not - they are just using a little homophobia to kick a little sand in the eye of their "opponents" in this ongoing stupid Greenwald fight.

Sometimes I wonder who is worse, the real homophobe or the person or party who uses homophobia to further their own end.

I see a few partisans in this thread who are feigning ignorance who should otherwise know better.

[JoeyT]

150. Ah they're fine with right wing memes.

Didn't take them a week to rip off Bush Derangement Syndrome and hardly a week passes that someone doesn't shart something equivalent to "Liberals hate Murrica!" in a thread.

It's not right wingers they object to, it's right wingers that wear the wrong jersey.

[QC]

227. +1

[d_b]

156. cry me a fucking river

[hrmjustin]

162. I am a gay man and have no idea how calling him GG is homophobic.

[OKNancy]

164. Thanks for writing this

FWIW, does homophobia mean fear of gays anymore, or is it a catch-all word for gay/haters/bashers?
I know the answer actually.

I've seen it used and it never occurred to me it would be derogatory. Heck, I didn't even think about him being gay.
I guess I forgot he was since it doesn't affect how I feel about him as a writer.

I made a joke in another thread about my name. It bugs me that Nancy-boy is used in a nasty way.
( My initials are NB! )

[MADem]

170. I imagine this poster would liken calling Elizabeth Warren EW as the same as

"Ewwwwww!"

This is a shit-stirring thread, and the OP should be embarrassed, as should anyone who grabs a big spoon and stirs the pot.

I'm astounded at what I'm seeing here!

[stevenleser]

213. Someone used the words Tigerbeat crowd. I think that describes Greenwald and Snowden fans

well.

They worship those guys so much they are offended when we don't refer to them as Sir Greenwald or His Royal Highness Edward Snowden.

I'm not sure if I have ever used GG to refer to Greenwald. If I have it wasn't often and I have mentioned him a lot in articles and shows. I can see doing it on twitter since you don't have many characters to work with.

All in all, the OP is silly.

[MisterP]

163. does he bellydance too?

Last edited Thu May 29, 2014, 03:08 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024616279

[MADem]

172. Hmm...that post was written by someone with a user name with the initials GG.

There must be a conspiracy afoot, somehow.

[winter is coming]

176. I don't embrace or reject terms depending on the GOP's opinion of them.

The idea that referring to someone by their initials is homophobic is ludicrous.

[Whisp]

187. kick for hilarity.

[msanthrope]

190. kick. nt

[Whisp]

193. New issue of Tiger Beat out:

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[msanthrope]

194. Ok....that's hysterical!! nt

[MADem]

196. That's PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!! nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

201. +1. And they still don't see the irony.

[Cali_Democrat]

208. hahahahaha nt

[ucrdem]

219. Nominated for best Tiger Beat cover of the year. nt

[Number23]

234. Whisp, you are simply the (wo)man

That is just... fucking priceless.

[Whisp]

252. I don't think we'll be hearing that Tiger Beat crap much anymore.

*loads double barrelled Photobucket.

[fried eggs]

195. What about those who called George Zimmerman GZ?

Could it be that Glenn's name is really long and easy to spell wrong? That's the reason for me using GG in the past. Had no idea it would be interpreted that way. I often use initials for long names (or in topics where a name is repeated so often that it's easier to use initials).

[Tarheel_Dem]

202. Everybody who high five'd that "gd used car salesman" post is a fucking racist. That how it works?

[RandySF]

206. GG

There, I said it. And this coming from the city that Anna Conda calls home

[xfundy]

233. What an absurd post.

His initials are "GG." I didn't read subsequent posts because the starter was so absurd. You can call me by my initials, I won't care.

Love,
XF

[Rowdyboy]

237. My partner would be stunned to learn that I'm homophobic-especially after this morning!

But my initials are BS so I guess that tells you everything you need to know.....

[MADem]

240. Turns out the thread starter has used the "GG" term herself.

Look upthread, she's used the initials and they're in her journal on page 6.

She can't delete the post, because it's one of those META ones.

Plain as day, she called Greenwald "GG." In a headline, too.

Probably accounts for the reason she hasn't come back to this thread. If she had any integrity, she'd delete after apologizing for making such a hateful and spurious accusation.

Homophobia is no joke, it's a serious charge, it often results in dangerous and hurtful behaviors. To accuse people of it with no evidence--and to claim that using an abbreviation that the OP herself used is "proof" of it-- is beyond the pale.

I'm a bit pissed off, actually. I think that, even though we've been mocking and making light of this stupid accusation throughout this thread, that underneath it all, this is a divisive, cruel and nasty thing to say to people and I really don't like it one bit. There ARE real homophobes out there who mean good people harm--the people calling Glenn Greenwald "GG" aren't the problem.

[Rowdyboy]

241. Apparently anyone disliking GG in any way is by her definition homophobic. Well I have no respect

for him and I'd never even heard the GG crap until she posted this POS drive-by thread.

But as you say, its a question of integrity and it certainly cheapens the meaning of homophobic. Being called homophobic because my opinion differs from hers is unworthy and classless.

[MADem]

242. +1 nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

243. Come back Luminous=(Fire)Animal=(Dog)! You & the 18 recc'ers should address post #223.

If you're honest people, you'll acknowledge that your o.p. is a perfect lesson in "the pot calling the kettle black". Your silence, and the silence of your "former" compatriots, is deafening. You've been caught at your own game, and it's intellectually dishonest for you not to address it. But, I don't expect much.

hyp·o·crite
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noun
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synonyms: pretender, dissembler, deceiver, liar, pietist, sanctimonious person, plaster saint; More
Origin

Middle English: from Old French ypocrite, via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek hupokritēs ‘actor,’ from hupokrinesthai (see hypocrisy).
Translate hypocrite to
Use over time for: hypocrite

[MADem]

253. Oh my....I never made THAT connection...! Now it ALL makes sense! nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

294. That's why her rants are so easy to dismiss.

[Rex]

244. So does that include you too?

Since you brought it up and some DUers went and found you approving of the usage. Care to comment?

[Luminous Animal]

248. Yep. Tears were flowing down my face that night. I had 3 hidden posts in one night.

I was being provocative. Sussing people out. I got several supportive PMs from DUers who knew what I was doing. It was the most painful night that I had on DU and I so appreciated the support.

And yes. I support Oilwellian naming her FEMALE dog Gigi. No different from a daughter being named Johna.

[Rex]

250. There is no absolute in it. GG are his initials. Just like HRC, people know who I am talking about.

But thank you for coming back to answer my reply. I can understand some of where you are coming from, but I think there are far more pressing matters when it comes to if people are using his initials or making some kind of slur. I have faith that when someone is talking about Snowden and I see GG in the comments, I think of the person. Sexual preference doesn't really factor into it, so I thought it bizarre when someone brought it up for the first time.

Sorry you had a bad night. You tried being proactive and it backfired, had that happen a few times. Hope you have better nights, that is no fun at all.

[MADem]

255. More than "approving"---actually USING the "GG" term. It's high and deep, the hypocrisy. nt

[Rex]

256. Makes me wonder what does the MAD stand for in MADem.

All shorthand should be questioned. IBTL? I am going to guess you were a mad Dem when Dubya was crashing the planet. But I will be wary, this is GD.

[MADem]

265. I'll confess!

The MA is Massachusetts, the Dem is Democrat, and I was one pissed off Massachusetts Democrat when Dumbya, aka "GWB" or just "W," stole that damn election from AG!

[Rex]

276. I miss our DU2 days and endless rants on Dubya. Withstanding GHB was bad enough

but when GWB or W stole the election, I think we ALL became MADems >={ ...grrr...stupid W! I seriously do miss our continuous roasting of W! Those were the days when LMFAO meant something!

[NYC Liberal]

247. Seriously? If using a man's initials as shorthand is "homophobic" then

is using "HRC" to refer to Hillary Clinton sexist?

[Rex]

251. It evidently was a proactive backfire on DU.

Yeah that's what I said. GG, HRC, S&L, FUBAR, to me have all shorthand meanings. Snowden/GG pretty much covers the need for a tag like 9/11 does imo. GG works. OWS works.

H8GDay!

[saltpoint]

254. I have a James Taylor album called JT.

So if I like the album and refer to it, am I calling James Taylor gay?

Because I don't think James Taylor is gay. Is he? I don't think so.

Will James Taylor have to become gay in order for your theory to make sense?

Seems like that's asking a lot of a person, either way. If somebody's gay already, why would they change to straight just to satisfy your theory, and why would a straight person turn gay just because you posted this claim?

And of course, what if some people switch their sexual identities to satisfy your claims but not everybody does?

This is not going to be a weekend project, I can tell you that right now.

Keep us apprised of developments.

[Luminous Animal]

258. Barak Hussein Obama. GG.

[saltpoint]

259. JD Salinger. Bebe Rebozzo. NOLA.

[Rex]

263. WWJD?

I think he would turn the other cheek, but that is just you know...imo.

[saltpoint]

266. Ol' JC would be A-OK. Kind of his M.O.

[Rex]

278. ttl M.O.

JC is like that.

[Luminous Animal]

264. Sing. Sing a song. Sing it loud. Sing it long.

[saltpoint]

267. Koko Taylor. Mimi Farina. BLT.

[Luminous Animal]

270. One of the Butt Sisters.

[saltpoint]

272. Papa John's. Papa's daughter Johnna. RPM.

[Luminous Animal]

274. See you've mastered the googling. Thank your grandchildren for the assist.

[saltpoint]

275. I make a respectable

French toast as well.

[Luminous Animal]

280. Natch.

[Marr]

273. I agree-- some of them actually used to use Gigi, and now use "GG" because it's so

much more deniable.

[Luminous Animal]

277. And those same people have no problem typing out "Obama".

[Mojorabbit]

293. Exactly! nt

[saltpoint]

279. GG could just change his name and obviate

the need for this OP's deep concern.

"Cliven Bundy" is already taken, I believe.

So is "Billy Joel," "James Madison," "Cher," "Burt Lancaster," "Dusty Springfield," and "Charles Colson."

But there are other names out there. If GG doesn't change his name, and fast, it's going to really upset the OP.

[Luminous Animal]

281. Or. People could stop using the homophopic meme originated by the right wing when Greenwald

was taking the Bush regime to task.

[saltpoint]

282. I'm not too damn interested in GG, now or then,

or tomorrow, or next week.

If I do mention him, I'll use GG as I please and as is reasonable for purposes of abbreviation.

You ain't got no point here, darlin'.

[saltpoint]

284. If there's a darlin' in the room what ain't makin'

no sense, leaves the door wide open for that darlin' to be told she's makin' no sense.

You are allegedly more perceptive than the point in your post.

Your canary, however, should consider a stricter diet.

[Luminous Animal]

285. You can lead a canary to water...

[saltpoint]

286. But not to H2O? EKG? BB guns? AA meetings?

[Luminous Animal]

287. Yew don even call me ba ma name.

[saltpoint]

288. "LA" it is, then. Desmond Tutu. Bobo the Clown. CTA.

How many RBIs did Choo Choo Coleman have in his MLB career?

Great receiver, so-so hitter.

"Every single person..."? No-no.

[Luminous Animal]

289. So,I was was wondering what I should do next, I really had to pee but my cat was sitting on my lap.

I decided to hold the pee in and listen to this BECAUSE IT IS THE BEST SONG EVER (not really, but it is pretty damn good).

&feature=kp

[saltpoint]

292. Grace's friendship to Janis Joplin

is an underrated thing.

The rock press got it, but not very many others.

[Cha]

290. Hey saltpoint.. LA used it herself in META so it cannot be deleted.. posted upthread

The original post that Greenwald hates Obama because GG is gay is allowed to stand
but mine is removed...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5004186

IOW.. it's okay for her but we have to do as she says because.. well Just Because. Of all the freaking hypocritical bullshit.

[saltpoint]

291. Cha, fond tidings, and yes,

I did see that. How odd. How, uh, absurd. You know the story. Thanks for the link.

Several folks in this post have tried to suggest the appeal of abbreviation.

In real life I don't know anybody named "Gigi" anyway. I did know a "Jo-Jo" in thigh school.

[Madam45for2923]

296. Interesting! Every single person who refers to Glenn Greenwald as GG is using a homophobic meme

??