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dsc

(52,162 posts)
Mon May 26, 2014, 10:22 PM May 2014

simply amazing stats



Think about this for a minute. We had not only more school shootings than the rest of planet earth combined, not only double the number of school shootings than the rest of planet earth combined, not only triple as many school shootings than the rest of planet earth combined, but slightly more than quadruple the number of school shootings than the rest of planet earth combined. To all the people who think guns aren't to blame here, help me out, tell me what is to blame here.

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Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
13. But not just the NRA.
Mon May 26, 2014, 11:47 PM
May 2014

They exacerbate the problem, certainly, but as Michael Moore intimated, there is something going on in the American psyche right now that causes certain young men to slaughter numbers of strangers.

This desire may not be so unusual, I'm sure many people have had fantasies of killing others when they feel frustrated, but actually acting it out in reality is something new and is not simply caused by the availability of guns.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
2. Here's some more amazing stats...
Mon May 26, 2014, 10:37 PM
May 2014


We haven't been safer in over a generation.

These mass shooting incidents are the anomaly, certainly not the rule.

But that news doesn't sell newspapers or generate prime time news ratings, does it?

AceWheeler

(55 posts)
7. The issue is school shootings
Mon May 26, 2014, 11:10 PM
May 2014

It is good that the overall violent crime rate has been on a downward trend. That, however, has little to do with the matter of people using guns in schools. Using overall violent crime stats provides a distorted picture.

Violent crime includes murder, rape and sexual assault, robbery, and assault. Of these murder by gun is the statistic that is most relevant to this thread, and that went up in the early 90s but has remained relatively flat before and since. The mass shooting are not an anomaly in this context but simply a part of the ongoing level of murder by guns in the US.



LAGC

(5,330 posts)
12. I always thought a better explanation was 18-24 years after Roe v. Wade...
Mon May 26, 2014, 11:41 PM
May 2014

Those would have been the peak crime-committing years of the unborn children.

It's no secret that unwanted children tend to be neglected, abused, broken, and more likely to resort to violent crime.

But regardless, the violent crime rate plummeting even as millions of guns flood the streets...

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
14. You're glossing over...
Mon May 26, 2014, 11:51 PM
May 2014

...the "safer than WHAT" part of that claim. Yeah, safer than the previously atrocious stats here in the US. But as the OP touched upon not safer than pretty much any other developed nation with actual sane gun laws.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
3. IMHO - Media circus
Mon May 26, 2014, 10:44 PM
May 2014

The school attacks are increasing as we make the killer infamous in each one and others who want to commit suicide or get revenge decide to do the same thing and gain infamy.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
8. "What happened to America"?
Mon May 26, 2014, 11:14 PM
May 2014

I can't answer that.

There's a lot of shit that "happened to America", and guns should be the least of our worries.

It's a complicated question with no simple answer.

But, I can answer one thing; when I was a child of the 60's - early 70's, when gun control laws were as relaxed as they'll ever be, this

kind of shit was unheard of.

It's not the guns or accessibility to guns.

It's a problem more deep rooted than that, and that isn't going to be solved by more gun control legislation.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
10. Bingo.
Mon May 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
May 2014

The biggest issue fueling these incidents, I truly believe, is the way the MSM keeps lionizing these assholes.

They know they'll get their "15 minutes of fame"... their faces plastered all over the 'tubez and their names out there for everyone to remember them by.

Then the next mass-shooter takes notice, and prepares for his day of "glory"...

It's a sick cycle, fueled by sensationalist mass media.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
21. Reducing access to guns means these same incidents
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:45 AM
May 2014

become far less lethal.

We're never going to eliminate mental illness. What we can do is make it harder for the mentally ill to get their hands on a gun. The weapons they'd be left with are less lethal.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
15. American Exceptionalism
Tue May 27, 2014, 12:46 AM
May 2014

Armed guards arent needed in high schools in any other modern civilized countries. Is that what makes America "exceptional" now? How sad. The land of the free is now the land of the shooting spree.
The NRA wont be happy until every school kid is armed

valerief

(53,235 posts)
16. And in the nineties before Columbine occurred, there were 32 shootings with 55 dead
Tue May 27, 2014, 12:55 AM
May 2014

and 82 injured.

If you include Columbine and other 3 shootings after that occurred in the nineties, that brings the total to 36 shootings with 71 dead and 115 injured.

I guess that's acceptable to the gun lusters.

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
17. what happened....,
Tue May 27, 2014, 12:56 AM
May 2014

gun craziness ,that is what happened ; and the easy availability of gun . Also , the glorification of gun in movies and TV shows . Most every ad for those feature someone pointing a gun . DISGUSTING !

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