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malaise

(269,012 posts)
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:55 AM May 2014

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahaha-IMF chief says banks haven't changed since financial crisis

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/27/imf-chief-lagarde-bankers-ethics-risks
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The head of the International Monetary Fund has warned that a persistent violation of ethics among bankers and rising inequality pose a major threat to growth and financial stability.

Christine Lagarde told an audience in London that six years on from the deep financial crisis that engulfed the global economy, banks were resisting reform and still too focused on excessive risk taking to secure their bonuses at the expense of public trust.

She said: "The behaviour of the financial sector has not changed fundamentally in a number of dimensions since the crisis. While some changes in behaviour are taking place, these are not deep or broad enough. The industry still prizes short-term profit over long-term prudence, today's bonus over tomorrow's relationship.

"Some prominent firms have even been mired in scandals that violate the most basic ethical norms - Libor and foreign exchange rigging, money laundering, illegal foreclosure."

Lagarde warned the too-big-to-fail problem among some of the world's largest financial institutions was still unresolved and remained a major source of systemic risk, with implicit subsidies of $70bn (£42bn) in the US, and up to $300bn in the eurozone.
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Lock them up or STFU!!!
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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahaha-IMF chief says banks haven't changed since financial crisis (Original Post) malaise May 2014 OP
and they won't change until a few banksters get put where they belong. hobbit709 May 2014 #1
Precisely malaise May 2014 #2
You mean in a vat of boiling tar nt rpannier May 2014 #17
Or their head in a basket at the shortening machine. hobbit709 May 2014 #20
That's the ticket 2naSalit May 2014 #54
lock mtasselin May 2014 #3
Huh? malaise May 2014 #4
He has the power to move in the direction of real chang and reform Armstead May 2014 #5
It would have been worse with Rmoney malaise May 2014 #6
I agree with you on the fact that the syste is owned by corporations and banks Armstead May 2014 #39
Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #9
200 years of vast corruption by white supremacists who still hold most of the power randys1 May 2014 #29
He's not helpless... raindaddy May 2014 #19
Do you know what it takes to get an indictment? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #36
There are alternatives.... Armstead May 2014 #42
True ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #43
Eric Holder must think it's impossible since he hasn't even made the attempt... raindaddy May 2014 #45
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #51
Neither Warren or the Judge who oversaw the fraud trial against B of A agrees with you raindaddy May 2014 #56
There is a huge difference between ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #57
I believe what she's saying is.... raindaddy May 2014 #58
You mean this kind of lack 0of stomach/desire ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #59
Impressive list....Just as I thought raindaddy May 2014 #61
So it's NOT that Holder lacks the desire/stomach to prosecute ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #62
While I respect your opinion SBM... raindaddy May 2014 #63
And therein lies the problem ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #64
Again that's an opinion that I don't share.. raindaddy May 2014 #68
Sorry, I frequently let my professional background/experience ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #69
I don't think history will treat Mr Holder kindly raindaddy May 2014 #70
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #71
You're reporting from inside Holder's head? raindaddy May 2014 #72
No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #74
Then you're speculating.... raindaddy May 2014 #75
Any sentence that starts with ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #76
There's a lot of people speculating Holder lack the will to prosecute.... raindaddy May 2014 #77
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #78
And William Black doesn't agree with it either dreamnightwind May 2014 #79
Thanks dreamnightwind! raindaddy May 2014 #82
Yeah, amazing to see Black used in this way dreamnightwind May 2014 #86
If he can fight 2 wars, he can arrest crooks. Heck, use the drones:) grahamhgreen May 2014 #49
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #53
Apparently his rule when it comes to war crimes. grahamhgreen May 2014 #81
War crimes? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #83
Such as torture. grahamhgreen May 2014 #84
Yeah. Okay. eom 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #85
Not true n/t malaise May 2014 #52
You think your vote has the power to change the system? LMFAO L0oniX May 2014 #22
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick May 2014 #37
You saying he's just a powerless black guy? grahamhgreen May 2014 #46
NO - but he doesn't have the power we wish he had malaise May 2014 #50
Why don't nations around the world nationalize the banks abelenkpe May 2014 #7
Because the first thing the said IMF and the Wasington Consensus posse do is malaise May 2014 #8
Is there no way to reform the system so that it benefits the common man? abelenkpe May 2014 #12
Read this and get back to me malaise May 2014 #14
Why don't we all revolt? L0oniX May 2014 #23
Has to happen and soon...the one percent hate us and want it all randys1 May 2014 #31
That day is coming malaise May 2014 #33
She is absolutely right FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #10
The only thing that will stop them is a new Reign of Terror....losing their heads instead! Moostache May 2014 #11
The uber rich are a danger to any peaceful society. fasttense May 2014 #15
Very good point. jwirr May 2014 #21
Only if we don't understand the role of the IMF and big banks in this mess malaise May 2014 #13
Thank you. If we would have followed the British model I think things would have been very jwirr May 2014 #25
Well duh. EEO May 2014 #16
Hillary/Carlyle 2016 L0oniX May 2014 #18
Never forget who removed Glass-Steagall malaise May 2014 #26
Absolutely. And considering this OP it would still go a long way to have Glass-Steagall reinstated. jwirr May 2014 #28
Glass-Steagall must be reinstated ...that is the only solution. L0oniX May 2014 #30
And that is what I wondered when reading the OP. This is what I want to see her address in the jwirr May 2014 #27
Absolutely right. And if this person wins the ballyhoo May 2014 #32
No shit, Sherlock. GoCubsGo May 2014 #24
See "Inside Job." Brigid May 2014 #38
Banks privatize their profits and octoberlib May 2014 #34
Well, some of the "too big to fail" banks got bigger IronLionZion May 2014 #35
New word to peg our times: Craven Baitball Blogger May 2014 #40
Yes the gluttons are everywhere malaise May 2014 #47
And here's the guy who will happily explain why there was no need for change: bullwinkle428 May 2014 #41
I'm not buying his book malaise May 2014 #48
According to Tim Geither bankers should not go to jail for those crimes. pa28 May 2014 #55
Some will rob you with a six-gun, And some with a fountain pen. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #60
Uber-rich criminals like it when nations leave them alone and apologize for them in public. Rex May 2014 #65
True malaise May 2014 #66
I agree we live in a time of not only huge monetary inequality, but huge social inequality as well. Rex May 2014 #67
that's what happens when no one is held accountable Skittles May 2014 #73
Precisely malaise May 2014 #80

malaise

(269,012 posts)
2. Precisely
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:01 AM
May 2014

but saving 'capitalism' matters way more than the criminal banks.

Either lock them up or STFU. Gramsci was correct - the state is merely capitalism's tool.

mtasselin

(666 posts)
3. lock
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:54 AM
May 2014

Lock these bastards up and throw away the keys, oh never mind we are talking about wall streets best friend President Obama. Let them pay fines and everything will be alright.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
5. He has the power to move in the direction of real chang and reform
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:09 AM
May 2014

If not why do we bother to have a President?

If the President is so helpless and impotent then why bother to worry about whether we have a President Mitt?

malaise

(269,012 posts)
6. It would have been worse with Rmoney
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:18 AM
May 2014

Look how long it takes to even get the scumbag bankers into court - but there has been some slow progress.
The removal of the Glass-Steagall Act was one of the worst things to happen to the banking system.

Still the political system is owned by corporations and big banks.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
39. I agree with you on the fact that the syste is owned by corporations and banks
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:44 AM
May 2014

But that's also because we allow them to have that power and we continue to elect politicians from both parties who hand it over to them.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
9. Maybe ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:25 AM
May 2014

But a power PBO does not have is to "lock them up", not in our current form of government.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
29. 200 years of vast corruption by white supremacists who still hold most of the power
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:56 AM
May 2014

but it is the BLACK MAN's fault that all of this isnt fixed...

Hell, I criticize Obama more than most liberals, but I do it in context...

CONTEXT people...

If I was the first Black President, I might be inclined to tell all you whining alleged progressives to just shove it, after what most of you have done over the years.

Reminds me of the night Richard Pryor went off on the Gay community in LA (wrong target but the message was good) with "A Star Spangled Night for Rights,"


The celeb-filled evening was marked by Pryor coming onto the stage and telling the crowd "When the n------ was burning down Watts, you motherfuckers was doing you wanted to do on Hollywood Boulevard and didn't give a shit about it. And kiss my happy rich black ass."

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
19. He's not helpless...
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:38 AM
May 2014

The DOJ has the power to investigate and prosecute... There has not been a single criminal charge filed by the federal government against any top executive of the elite financial institutions under Obama, not one!

This administration is owned by Wall Street!! Obama wanted to appoint Larry Summers to head the Fed for God's sake... If it wasn't for Elizabeth Warren and a few other Dems on the Banking Committee it would've happened.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
36. Do you know what it takes to get an indictment? ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:41 AM
May 2014

Simply put, there must be sufficient evidence that a/the top executive participated in, or knew of, a/the crime. That is a high hurdle, if for no other reason, corporations are designed to insulate its top executives from participating in, or knowing of, the details of what its lower management does/is doing.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
42. There are alternatives....
Tue May 27, 2014, 12:08 PM
May 2014

Anti trust enforcement to break up the "too big to fail" monsters. SE enforcement to keep them in line.

Actions that will strengthen enforcement in future, and will take steps to prevent a recurrence of abuses.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
45. Eric Holder must think it's impossible since he hasn't even made the attempt...
Tue May 27, 2014, 12:54 PM
May 2014

Do you really think Eric Holder is interested in indicting bank executives he spent most of his career defending? It wasn't too hard to get convictions during the S&L crisis in the 80's because they actually made an effort. All we hear from Obama's DOJ are excuses.. The DOJ is actually telling us they're OK with a two tiered justice system because it's too hard to make a case against big money banks who took down the economy... Does anyone really buy this?

If this administration had any interest in holding bank executives accountable they wouldn't have chosen a Wall Street insider as the nation's top attorney, it's that simple.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
51. Yes ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 01:29 PM
May 2014

I believe Eric Holder would love to bring a case against top bank officials.

Even Black acknowledges that the '80s S & cases were different and so were the laws that allowed for the prosecutions.

Elizabeth Warren was heavily involved in CDOs and derivatives ... before she was selected to head up the celebrated Consumer Protection Bureau ... by this same administration. That kind of makes that argumentation nonsensical. Doesn't it?

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
56. Neither Warren or the Judge who oversaw the fraud trial against B of A agrees with you
Tue May 27, 2014, 02:45 PM
May 2014

Warren in response to Holder reversing himself on, "banks too big to prosecute".

"I'll believe it when I see one go to jail," "These banks have broken the tax laws; they have broken the drug laws; they have broken the money-laundering laws; they have broken the securities laws; and I have not yet seen anyone arrested."

"The failure of the government to bring to justice those responsible for such a massive fraud speaks greatly to weaknesses in our prosecutorial system that need to be addressed,"
-U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff

The day William Holder actually used the excuse prosecuting the big banks would hurt the economy is the day he should've been fired.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
57. There is a huge difference between ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 03:34 PM
May 2014

saying that laws have been broken and saying that the CEO (or other top executive) broke those laws ... and Warren knows it.

Regarding Radoff ... you8 mean the Jed Rakoff that practically invented the securities fraud defense industry? http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/judge_jed_rakoffs_stance_on_the_sec_deals_draws_fire_praiseand_change/

The day William Holder actually used the excuse prosecuting the big banks would hurt the economy is the day he should've been fired.


Why? What he said was true.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
58. I believe what she's saying is....
Tue May 27, 2014, 04:09 PM
May 2014

it's common knowledge that laws have been broken, it's the DOJ's job to investigate specifically who's responsible. Holder unfortunately has proven he neither has the stomach or desire to do his job.

Did you actually "read" the link you posted?

Rakoff has been noted (or notorious) in recent years for insisting that big financial institutions like Bank of America and Citigroup had some explaining to do before he’d sign off on settlement agreements they negotiated with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

As the judge sees it, the SEC has failed to pursue high-level individuals behind questionable dealings when it probably should have, and has let the corporations they ran get off easy with sweetheart settlements. Rakoff eventually came to believe that he and other judges have at times wielded rubber stamps rather than gavels.

The point being it's time to stop wrist slapping and start prosecuting..

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
59. You mean this kind of lack 0of stomach/desire ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 04:19 PM
May 2014
Partial List of Financial Sector Officials Convicted since 1/20/09
2/2/12 David Higgs and Salmaan Siddiqui, Credit Suisse, plead guilty to conspiracy involving valuation of MBS
3/6/12 Allen Stanford, former Caribbean billionaire and general schmuck, convicted on 13 of 14 counts in $2.2B Ponzi scheme, faces 20+ years in prison
6/4/12 Matthew Kluger, lawyer, sentenced to 12 years in prison, along with co-conspirator stock trader Garrett Bauer (9 years) and co-conspirator Kenneth Robinson (not yet sentenced) for 17 year insider trading scheme.
6/14/12 Allen Stanford sentenced to 110 years without parole.
6/15/12 Rajat Gupta, former Goldman Sachs director, found guilty of insider trading. Could face a decade in prison when sentenced later this year.
6/22/12 Timothy S. Durham, 49, former CEO of Fair Financial Company, convicted of one count conspiracy to commit wire and securities fraud, 10 counts of wire fraud, and one count of securities fraud.
6/22/12 James F. Cochran, 56, former chairman of the board of Fair, convicted of one count of conspiracy to commit wire and securities fraud, one count of securities fraud, and six counts of wire fraud.
6/22/12 Rick D. Snow, 48, former CFO of Fair, convicted of one count of conspiracy to commit wire and securities fraud, one count of securities fraud, and three counts of wire fraud.
7/13/12 Russell Wassendorf Sr., CEO of collapsed brokerage firm Peregrine Financial Group Inc. arrested and charged with lying to regulators after admitting to authorities he embezzled "millions of dollars" and forged bank statements for "nearly twenty years."
8/22/12 Doug Whitman, Whitman Capital LLC hedge fund founder, convicted of insider trading following a trial in which he spent more than two days on the stand telling jurors he was innocent
10/26/12 UPDATE: Former Goldman Sachs director Rajat Gupta sentenced to two years in federal prison. He will, of course, appeal. . .
11/20/12 Hedge fund manager Matthew Martoma charged with insider trading at SAC Capital Advisors, and prosecutors are looking at Martoma's boss, Steven Cohen, for possible involvement.
02/14/13 Gilbert Lopez, former chief accounting officer of Stanford Financial Group, and former controller Mark Kuhrt sentenced to 20 yrs in prison for their roles in Allen Sanford's $7.2 billion Ponzi scheme.
03/29/13 Michael Sternberg, portfolio mgr at SAC Capital, arrested in NYC, charged with conspiracy and securities fraud. Pled not guilty and freed on $3m bail.
04/04/13 Matthew Marshall Taylor,fmr Goldman Sachs trader arrested, charged by CFTC w/defrauding his employer on $8BN futures bet "by intentionally concealing the true huge size, as well as the risk and potential profits or losses associated."
04/04/13 Matthew Taylor admits guilt, makes plea bargain. Sentencing set for 26 June; faces up to 20 years in prison but will likely only see 3-4 years. Says, "I am truly sorry."
04/11/13 Ex-KPMG LLP partner Scott London charged by federal prosecutors w/passing inside tips to a friend in exchange for cash, jewelry, and concert tickets; expected to plead guilty in May.
08/01/13 Fabrice Tourré convicted on six counts of security fraud, including "aiding and abetting" his former employer, Goldman Sachs
08/14/13 Javier Martin-Artajo and Julien Grout charged with wire fraud, falsifying records, and conspiracy in connection with JP Morgan's "London Whale" trade.
08/19/13 Phillip A. Falcone, manager of hedge fund Harbinger Capital Partners, agrees to admit to "wrongdoing" in market manipulation. Will banned from securities industry for 5 years and pay $18MM in disgorgement and fines.
09/16/13 Javier Martin-Artajo and Julien Grout officially indicted on charges associated with "London Whale" trade.
02/06/14 Matthew Martoma convicted of insider trading while at hedge fund SAC (Stephen A. Cohen) Capital Advisors. Expected sentence 7-10 years.
03/24/14 Annette Bongiorno, Bernard Madoff's secretary; Daniel Bonventre, director of operations for investments; JoAnn Crupi, an account manager; and Jerome O'Hara and George Perez, both computer programmers convicted of conspiracy to defraud clients, securities fraud, and falsifying the books and records.
05/19/14 Credit Suisse, which has an investment bank branch in NYC, agrees to plead guilty and pay appx. $2.6 billion penalties for helping wealthy Americans hide wealth and avoid taxes.



Yes, I read the entire article ... that's where I discovered that he almost single-headedly invented the white shoe securities defense industry.

And BTW, ruling over settlements is completely different from ruling on criminal prosecutions.


raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
61. Impressive list....Just as I thought
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:01 PM
May 2014

Holder decides against pursuing criminal charges against Goldman Sachs, but they did manage to convict Timothy S. Durham, 49, former CEO of "Fair Financial Company". Considering our economy was pretty much destroyed quite an accomplishment...

I think the Judge's statement makes it more than clear who he is....

"In securities fraud cases, Rakoff continued in his speech, “recklessness has remained stubbornly ill-defined and in most decisions awkwardly conjoined to actual intent.” One result is that “for me it has been very striking and surprising that there have not been more criminal prosecutions of persons who, in some sense, could have been held responsible for the economic crisis that still permeates today.”

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
62. So it's NOT that Holder lacks the desire/stomach to prosecute ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:25 PM
May 2014

it's just those he prosecutes are not the "right" folks.

“for me it has been very striking and surprising that there have not been more criminal prosecutions of persons who, in some sense, could have been held responsible for the economic crisis that still permeates today.”


Do you not notice the speculativeness of that statement?

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
63. While I respect your opinion SBM...
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:06 PM
May 2014

I just don't agree with it...The right folks are the people who exist at the end of the chain of wrong doing and deception.. They currently remain in the position to continue the same bilking the system and that's bad news for the poor and the middle class..
My frustration aside, I don't think Holder is doing a good job representing the public

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
64. And therein lies the problem ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:34 PM
May 2014
The right folks are the people who exist at the end of the chain of wrong doing and deception..


The folks that many wish jailed, are the folks that corporate structures are designed to insulate. And that insulation is what prevents the prosecutions ... prosecutors can only go where the evidence leads them. It's not about any lack of desire and everything about the lack of evidence to bring against the executives.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
70. I don't think history will treat Mr Holder kindly
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:51 PM
May 2014

What ever your background, there's a growing number of experienced professionals who don't share your speculative opinion..

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
71. LOL ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:01 PM
May 2014

I talk about how "History will treat Mr. Holder", than point to the growing number of professionals that do not share my "speculative" opinion!

My "opinion" is not speculative ... it is fact that the only way to bring a criminal complaint is when there is evidence enough to gain an indictment.

Those growing number of professionals that you cite to are the ones speculating that it is "very striking and surprising that there have not been more criminal prosecutions of persons who, in some sense, could have been held responsible for the economic crisis that still permeates today.”

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
72. You're reporting from inside Holder's head?
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:38 PM
May 2014

Your opinion is completely speculative. Unless you reside inside Holder's head you have no way of knowing the degree of "interest" he really has in gathering enough evidence and putting together a case to put away the very people he'll end up working for again when he retires from government "service"...

Any good lawyer would a least "speculate" along the lines of a politician placing their own interests above the welfare of the public.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
74. No ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:15 PM
May 2014

I'm not in Mr. Holder's head, I have read his, and the DoJ's, comments on why there hasn't been prosecutions of top executives of the largest banks.

Unless you reside inside Holder's head you have no way of knowing the degree of "interest" he really has in gathering enough evidence and putting together a case to put away the very people he'll end up working for again when he retires from government "service"...


No speculation there!

Any good lawyer would a least "speculate" along the lines of a politician placing their own interests above the welfare of the public.


Maybe ... But the better lawyer would marshal his/her knowledge of what it takes to bring a criminal case, and let that inform his/her opinion; rather than, speculate as to someone's motivation, because it feeds their preconceived conspiracy theory.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
75. Then you're speculating....
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:03 PM
May 2014
I'm not in Mr. Holder's head, I have read his, and the DoJ's, comments on why there hasn't been prosecutions of top executives of the largest banks.


Of course it's your choice to believe them. Hookers aside, Spitzer had a pretty good record going after banks and it looks like he doesn't share your speculation.

“They have not done what needed to be done,” Spitzer says. “The greater risk is that corrupt behavior that is damaging to our economy, that leads to something as enormously painful as the cataclysm of ’08, goes unaddressed.”
- Former New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer

Maybe ... But the better lawyer would marshal his/her knowledge of what it takes to bring a criminal case, and let that inform his/her opinion; rather than, speculate as to someone's motivation, because it feeds their preconceived conspiracy theory.


Lets see, Goldman Sachs employees contributed over $1,000,000. to Obama's campaign. Goldman was one Holder's former law firms clients. No, conflicting interest smoke there! It'll be interesting to see where Holder lands after leaving O's administration.. The better lawyer is already snickering.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
76. Any sentence that starts with ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:37 PM
May 2014

"The greater risk ..." is by definition, speculative.

Lets see, Goldman Sachs employees contributed over $1,000,000. to Obama's campaign. Goldman was one Holder's former law firms clients. No, conflicting interest smoke there!


You seem pretty selective when wielding the conflict of interest brand ... especially when just a moment ago, you were quoting the guy that invented the white shoe securities fraud defense industry.

It'll be interesting to see where Holder lands after leaving O's administration.. The better lawyer is already snickering.


No speculation there!

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
77. There's a lot of people speculating Holder lack the will to prosecute....
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:24 PM
May 2014

"You seem pretty selective when wielding the conflict of interest brand ... especially when just a moment ago, you were quoting the guy that invented the white shoe securities fraud defense industry."

That's your portrayal not mine.. You didn't mention Spitzer.. The banks actually went after him because he was doing his job, apparently he doesn't think Holder is doing his. Carl Levin and current New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman aren't thrilled with Holder's performance either. Apparently these guys think there is the evidence to prosecute.

Carl Levin said that Schneiderman argued that the Justice Department lacks the “political will” to forge ahead with prosecutions of high-ranking financial executives and large financial groups.

“There's been a real lack of going after the top folks, in general,” Levin said. His subcommittee has aggressively probed potential wrongdoing by leading financial institutions, including alleged money laundering at HSBC and mortgage-related misdeeds at Goldman Sachs.

What is your speculation when it come to "political will". Lucrative job after public service, former client, millions in campaign contributions, all would tend to dampen the "political will" in lesser men than Holder, right? He'd love to prosecute high level banksters if he only had the evidence. I wonder how much the "lack of evidence" is going to be worth when he retires from public service Just speculating.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
79. And William Black doesn't agree with it either
Wed May 28, 2014, 07:21 AM
May 2014

I mention him because SBM said Black admitted the laws are different these days, implying that prosecutions are difficult or impossible.

I've heard Black speak at length, many times, on this very issue. He may at some time have said something similar to what SBM said he said, but that goes entirely against the bulk of Black's public statements, which are mostly expressing frustration and astonishment that more has not been done to prosecute the offenders in the financial industry. He goes way out on a limb with this, not nuanced at all, SBM is entirely misrepresenting the thinking of Black here. Black asserts that he could have, and would have, successfully prosecuted many in the industry for the crimes related to the financial crisis.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
82. Thanks dreamnightwind!
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:02 AM
May 2014

You're right. Black actually has called for Holder's resignation for his failure to prosecute Wall Street crooks.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
86. Yeah, amazing to see Black used in this way
Wed May 28, 2014, 02:42 PM
May 2014

when he is clearly on the exact opposite side of this argument. Disingenuous at best, in my opinion of course. Thanks for taking the time to push back against this, it matters.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. Yeah ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 01:32 PM
May 2014

Screw the laws (as they are, rather than how we wish them to be) ... Screw Due Process and evidence ... Just jail 'em!

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
22. You think your vote has the power to change the system? LMFAO
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:41 AM
May 2014

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahahaha

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
44. Yes ...
Tue May 27, 2014, 12:33 PM
May 2014

I, for one, believe my vote can elect legislators that can write laws to change the system.

Response to malaise (Reply #4)

malaise

(269,012 posts)
50. NO - but he doesn't have the power we wish he had
Tue May 27, 2014, 01:28 PM
May 2014

That said he could speak way more clearly against the criminal bankers, but the truth is that the state props up the economic system and they are all defenders of capitalism including even this extreme neo-liberal form.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
7. Why don't nations around the world nationalize the banks
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:22 AM
May 2014

And run them in the best interest of the public?

malaise

(269,012 posts)
8. Because the first thing the said IMF and the Wasington Consensus posse do is
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:25 AM
May 2014

to separate the Central Banks of nations from their 'national interests'.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
12. Is there no way to reform the system so that it benefits the common man?
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:55 AM
May 2014

News like this is so depressing.

malaise

(269,012 posts)
14. Read this and get back to me
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:01 AM
May 2014
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/sap/history.php


The international lending institutions and the banks are set up to loot the majority (including countries) for the 1%.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
31. Has to happen and soon...the one percent hate us and want it all
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:59 AM
May 2014

they wont be happy until they have all the money and there are NO lines in the "organ" transplant line that they will all be in eventually

why do you think they hate it when we get healthcare?

malaise

(269,012 posts)
33. That day is coming
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:16 AM
May 2014

hence the way in which the 'system' treated the Occupy folks versus the Bundy posse.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
10. She is absolutely right
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:30 AM
May 2014

They're still giving out obscene bonuses despite being owned by the taxpayers- RBS for example. They tried to give out bonuses this year but the UK stopped them (It was still a loss-making bank, so there was no reason to give out bonuses yet). They said they didn't want to lose their talents to places like the US. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/25/uk-royal-bank-scot-bonuses-idUKBREA3O0HG20140425

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
11. The only thing that will stop them is a new Reign of Terror....losing their heads instead!
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:51 AM
May 2014

These scumbags are using the exact same fear mongering conservative playbooks that has been used for the NRA, the fossil fuel industry, cigarette manufacturers, corporate interests in small towns and middle America and now the banks as well.

Tell people what to fear - the government, someone taking "yours" (rights, property, guns, "freedom", etc) and giving it to "them" (almost universally an out-group of some kind) - and give them the same solution every time = "get government out of the way"...well, after 30+ years of this nonsense they have wrecked the governments, destroyed the planets equilibrium and set us on a course for extinction....and for what? A few lousy dollars and some over-priced bottles of Kristal?

May history have mercy on their souls for if it comes to anarchy an survival I will have none.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
15. The uber rich are a danger to any peaceful society.
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:05 AM
May 2014

Allowing the rich to accumulate vast amounts of wealth is as dangerous to the stability of a peaceful society as drought and famine.

The top 1% should be forced to give up their wealth. It's the only way to bringing peace and prosperity to the majority of people. It's not that the top 1% take so much wealth away from the middle class and poor, it's that they use their huge stock piles of wealth to cause hate and fear. Who do you think funded Adolf Hitler and Mussolini? It wasn't the middle class and poor. It was people like the Koch brothers and the bushes. They use their wealth to keep the mass of citizens afraid to take back the wealth stolen from them. The 1% then begin to think they are Gods and do any crime, any immoral act, anything their black hearts wants to the detriment of us all.

malaise

(269,012 posts)
13. Only if we don't understand the role of the IMF and big banks in this mess
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:59 AM
May 2014

The International Monetary Fund was established, along with the World Bank, at a conference in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, USA, in the closing stages of World War II. The participants represented the governments soon to win the war against fascism. They were concerned about the rebuilding of Europe and of the global economic system after a devastating war.

The key debate at Bretton Woods was between the British and US delegations representing, respectively, liberal and conservative visions of global economic institutions. The British delegation, led by Maynard Keynes, imagined that the new IMF should be a cooperative fund which member states could draw upon to maintain economic activity and employment through periodic crises. This view suggested an IMF helping governments to act as the US government had during the New Deal in response to the great recession of the 1930s.

By contrast, the US delegation to Bretton Woods foresaw an IMF more like a bank, making sure that borrowing states could repay their debts on time. This more conservative view was less concerned to avoid recession and unemployment. The US view prevailed, and set the stage for how economic crises have been handled since World War II (Harris 1988).


http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/sap/history.php

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
25. Thank you. If we would have followed the British model I think things would have been very
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:45 AM
May 2014

different. But of course "repay their debts on time" is so important in rebuilding our world.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
16. Well duh.
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:05 AM
May 2014

To temporarily save the empty shell of a system we have we allowed overleveraged banks to be consumed by other banks that were already overleveraged, but not the strongest of the banks. We solved nothing following our last financial crisis and simply bought ourselves some time before the temporary ceiling above us comes crashing down.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
18. Hillary/Carlyle 2016
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:37 AM
May 2014
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/hillary-clinton-speech-carlyle-group-95763.html



Hilary Clinton addressing this wealthy private equity group confirms her position as one who is opposed to the interests of the middle class Americans. She has always supported the movement of global capitalism and its jobs away from the US, resulting in the destruction of the US middle class. The wealth of the US, 95% of it, is already in the hands of the 5% who profit from global equity firms like the Carlyle Group.

The Carlyle Group is a perfect example of why there are no well paid jobs in America in manufacturing, and why our economy cannot recover. They have moved their businesses out of the US, with Hilary Clinton's total support. Those jobs are not coming back. Without manufacturing jobs, this nation faces a future of low paying jobs and no hope of economic recovery.

Hilary Clinton as guest at their meeting illustrates her uncaring disregard for the future of American citizens.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
28. Absolutely. And considering this OP it would still go a long way to have Glass-Steagall reinstated.
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:53 AM
May 2014

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. And that is what I wondered when reading the OP. This is what I want to see her address in the
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:51 AM
May 2014

primary and she will not if no one runs against her. I would like to see both Bernie and Elizabeth take her on. If she wants to run then answer our questions.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
32. Absolutely right. And if this person wins the
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:15 AM
May 2014

presidency in 2016, the US will become simply an NWO slave state--even more than it is now. There is really nothing that can be done now without a true revolt. The MIC knows that their loudest most invigorated opponents don't believe in violence, so they can continue doing what they want, chuckling in their meetings of destruction aimed at thinning the herd and making money, in no particular order. All they have to do when they want attention deferred from them is to create some event that causes an attention shift. And this is what is happening every day: a government run by oligarchs doing as they want to a weary people in despair told they are pretty much worthless, that their God is no good, that all they deserve is marginal healthcare (now know by another name) and need to switch to eating McDonalds as their Sunday meal, if they can afford that. The Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld plan worked out far far beyond their expectations. It takes no mental giant to see what's next.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
24. No shit, Sherlock.
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:45 AM
May 2014

Did she just now figure this out? Maybe those who can do something about it will do so now, but I'm not holding my breath that they will.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
34. Banks privatize their profits and
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:23 AM
May 2014

socialize their risks/failures. As long as they can rely on being bailed out by taxpayers for their mistakes, there's no downside for them.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
35. Well, some of the "too big to fail" banks got bigger
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:31 AM
May 2014

through acquisition of smaller failing banks. So something has changed.

Dodd Frank has some good provisions but its a shame they had to weaken it. And more banksters need to go to prison.

Lock em up!

malaise

(269,012 posts)
47. Yes the gluttons are everywhere
Tue May 27, 2014, 01:25 PM
May 2014

craven for power, wealth, property, food, bling, etc. It's disgusting!!

pa28

(6,145 posts)
55. According to Tim Geither bankers should not go to jail for those crimes.
Tue May 27, 2014, 02:07 PM
May 2014

He says it's 'old testament thinking' to do anything other than cover their risk and move on. So now, shockingly, six years later the banks haven't changed their behavior.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
60. Some will rob you with a six-gun, And some with a fountain pen.
Tue May 27, 2014, 04:34 PM
May 2014
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.


Woody Guthrie
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
65. Uber-rich criminals like it when nations leave them alone and apologize for them in public.
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:36 PM
May 2014

It is embarrassing in this country, how corrupt the large financial institutions are...HOWEVER, it should not come as a surprise to us here on DU. We've been talking about it since the S&L scandals.

malaise

(269,012 posts)
66. True
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:47 PM
May 2014

but what's even more embarrassing is the punishment meted out to ordinary folks for smoking weed for instance or for stealing something in a store.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
67. I agree we live in a time of not only huge monetary inequality, but huge social inequality as well.
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:59 PM
May 2014

When a non-violent drug offender gets more time in jail, then say a billionare accused of raping his own child - something is very wrong with that society. Our society has decided to ignore various crisis (global warming, rape culture, growing monopolies) and instead to bury our collective heads in the sand.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
73. that's what happens when no one is held accountable
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:39 PM
May 2014

when our politicians listen to moneyed lobbyists and not WE THE PEOPLE

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