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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Tue May 27, 2014, 04:45 PM May 2014

The Rude Pundit: Random Observations in the Wake of the Isla Vista Shooting Spree

1. Before YouTube took them down, the Rude Pundit watched a few of Elliot Rodger's non-"Day of Reckoning" videos. Rodger, who, as we know, went on a shooting rampage in Isla Vista, near the University of California-Santa Barbara, on Saturday, was fond of filming from his car. With what we know now, it's as if Son of Sam had been able to tweet updates on his stalking. Context is everything, of course. What was once an innocuous, if odd, video of the view through the windshield while Rodger drives down the highway, "Walking on Sunshine" by Katrina and the Waves playing on the radio, becomes a tense, wordless journey into a deranged mind straight out of a horror film.

More genuinely disturbing is Rodger parked at the beach, staring at a couple who are kissing, commenting on how supremely jealous he is of them. Actually, more precisely, he was jealous of the man because he was going to kiss a "beautiful woman" and have sex with her while Rodger talked about how he was denied it. It's a preview of his longer video that he recorded a couple of days later just before he killed six people and himself. Once again, Rodger's view of the world was framed and distant, his understanding of men and women so juvenile and yet so culturally mainstream. The man "has" the woman. Rodger does not. The woman wants to be had by men, just not by Rodger. It's that simple.

1a. Of course, he was driving a BMW.

2. Once, the Rude Pundit was sitting around with male friends, and one of them said how his brother had hit his girlfriend. All of us thought that was messed up. "There should be a 'guy squad,'" the Rude Pundit said, "a group of men who show up whenever a man does something that makes men in general look bad and just beat the shit out of him for fucking it up for the rest of us." We all agreed: when a man acts violently to women, he makes all men look bad. Still, we should shut the fuck up and take our lumps and not try to weasel our way out by saying dumb shit, like #NotAllMen, because you just look like a desperate tool.

Instead, we should ask, with great despondency and self-reflection, "Oh, white straight American men, what has gone so deeply wrong with you? Are you that scared of losing your power that you feel you must lash out with vicious words and acts against women in order to exert control? Do you feel you are owed sex and must punish the bodies of the women if they refuse? And, if so, how the fuck can you stop yourselves before you kill again?"

3. Of course, Elliot Rodger was mentally ill. Of course, we should do more for the mentally ill. Sure, fine, let's have this debate again. So, conservatives, how about boosting mental health coverage under Obamacare and changing laws that make it harder for people with psychological issues to even buy guns? No? Then why are you even talking?

4. The Rude Pundit has discussed before his complicated relationship with guns. The short version is that he pointed a loaded pistol at a door that an intruder was attempting to open; he threatened to shoot, making the intruder run away. (If you want to know the full story, you can buy his book.) He knows someone who carries a gun on him who went on a weekend to his small office building. There, a man who was robbing the place came charging at him with a metal pipe. He shot the guy in the leg. In both these cases, having a gun may have saved the life of the gun holder.

Today, Samuel Wurzelbacher, the idiot loser once known as "Joe the Plumber," wrote that while he is sorry for the losses of the loved ones of the deceased, "[Y]our dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights," before going on to explain to those parents why he needs to protect his family.

Listen: while numbers are hard to come by on the number of people "saved" by guns, as well as the total number of gun-related injuries, it's not a stretch to think that a whole fuck of a lot more people are harmed by guns than helped by them. Last year, over 30 people a day were killed by guns in the United States. If 30 people a day were saved by waving their guns around, you can bet we'd hear about it. Shit, we hear about it whenever someone does so (the Rude Pundit didn't make the newspaper, but the other person mentioned above did).

Here's the rudest thing this writer can say: If guns hadn't been legal, the Rude Pundit wouldn't have had a gun that night very long ago. He doesn't know what would have happened. He might have lived, he might have died, no one can tell. But if his death or injury would meant that 10 kids wouldn't have died because their irresponsible asshole parents couldn't keep guns in the home, well, what's so fucking special about him? If the Rude Pundit may have died because people didn't have access to guns, but a dozen, two dozen, a hundred other people would be alive, he would gladly have taken on the intruder.

See the NRA and all the gun fellaters across the political spectrum have it wrong (and Richard Martinez, who spoke so heartbreakingly about his son who was gunned down by Elliot Rodger, has it right): Your guns are far more likely to harm someone innocent than to ever protect you from the bad guys. You are more likely to be a bad guy than you are to stop one. You are more likely to kill yourself with your gun than kill someone else. Your fantasy need for defense shouldn't trump everyone else's need to live safely in the real world.

That we don't believe that as a nation demonstrates how fucked up we are.

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The Rude Pundit: Random Observations in the Wake of the Isla Vista Shooting Spree (Original Post) meegbear May 2014 OP
There are lots of things a society *might* do to curb mass shootings phantom power May 2014 #1
If someone REALLY wants to kill someone, FrodosPet May 2014 #13
In addition, metal working tools should be licensed and monitored FrodosPet May 2014 #14
Of course, and also opposable thumbs. Do you know how stupid you sound? phantom power May 2014 #15
Yes I do! FrodosPet May 2014 #16
Wouldn't that be better served..... daleanime May 2014 #19
Mass shootings are not limited to white men madville May 2014 #17
Damn right BrotherIvan May 2014 #2
"Oh, white straight American men..." seveneyes May 2014 #3
. myrna minx May 2014 #4
Yes, a Guy Squad! zentrum May 2014 #5
Rude is right, except for one thing... IkeRepublican May 2014 #6
THEN we'd have to discuss honestly SSRI effects, housing the mentally ill (NIMBY!), "personal WinkyDink May 2014 #11
He was right on that, too eom Progressive dog May 2014 #20
K&fuckingR.... daleanime May 2014 #7
I don't remember when I started to notice, Turbineguy May 2014 #8
K & R SunSeeker May 2014 #9
It is who we are. We are taught history as a litany of war victories. Our folk heroes are fighters WinkyDink May 2014 #10
scared of losing your power that you feel you must lash out with vicious words seabeyond May 2014 #12
thank you, rude. nm Cha May 2014 #18

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
1. There are lots of things a society *might* do to curb mass shootings
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:17 PM
May 2014

Better gun regulation. Easier and cheaper access to mental health care. Dismantling the echo-chambers where white men convince each other their various racist, sexist, homophobic and/or xenophobic grievances are justified.

Conservatives oppose every single one, on principle. And Conservatives rule our discourse. So nothing will be done.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
13. If someone REALLY wants to kill someone,
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:41 PM
May 2014

they should either have the guts and physical strength to do it face to face with a knife, the skill to do it with an arrow, or the technical skills to build a bomb.

Since very people do, in a gunless society murder would go way down.

Therefore:

The federal government should immediately repeal the 2nd Amendment, and declare a 3 year state of emergency suspension of the 4th Amendment.

Then hire about 250,000 federal officers and set up 10 person search squads to go door-to-door confiscating any and all firearms. As well, other units should be formed to deal with reluctant and obstructive local and state LEOs.

People will cry and complain about "civil rights" and "gun grabbers"- but the ones that do are just NRA pinheads, so their opinion is just a fart in the wind.

Meanwhile, the rest of the nation can breath a sigh of relief in a society without guns.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
14. In addition, metal working tools should be licensed and monitored
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:00 PM
May 2014

Possession of CNC machines, forges, lathes capable of metal work, and any other tools and equipment should be licensed and regulated. Perhaps there can even be mandatory 24x7 live video monitoring to prevent them from being used for illicit purposes.

And the 3 year state of emergency would probably be a good way to get rid of those MRA and other undesirable websites without the annoying First Amendment complications.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
16. Yes I do!
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:22 PM
May 2014

Just trying to make a point about practical vs impractical solutions to the serious problem of violence that plagues this planet.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
19. Wouldn't that be better served.....
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:16 PM
May 2014

by offering your version of 'practical' instead of snarking around?



Or do you prefer that nothing be done?

madville

(7,410 posts)
17. Mass shootings are not limited to white men
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:46 PM
May 2014

This Santa Barbara incident, both Fort Hood shootings, Donner in LA, the Navy shipyard shooting, etc. were all non-white shooters.

White shooters in recent memory would be the movie theater, Newtown, and Gabby Giffords.

If anything, the shooter demographics reflect a proportionate cross-section of the population.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
2. Damn right
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:41 PM
May 2014

Who has the courage to say this? Who has the courage to say I don't want to live in a world where carrying a gun everywhere is necessary? Who?

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
3. "Oh, white straight American men..."
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:50 PM
May 2014

Now this worthless POS killer represents any or all "white straight American men"? I wonder if a similar generalization would have been made if the killer was of a different race, gender or nationality?

IkeRepublican

(406 posts)
6. Rude is right, except for one thing...
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:08 PM
May 2014

If somebody's crazy enough, they will get their hands on a gun irrelevant of how they get it.

Yes, I know, that's what the gun nuts love to say. Understand they use that fact as a matter of convenience and nothing more. It is true that the laws need to be updated to help curb the violence. However, I believe it's only a miniscule slice of the argument.

Mental health is what needs to be updated and properly funded. In fact, I believe the gun issue is a deliberately manfactured chew-piece for the masses to distract from the lack of proper mental health availability that Ray-gun and those after him have gutted and complicated over the past 30 years. Christ, even somebody as messed up as Nixon championed the greater availability of help for the mentally ill back in the 50's while vice president.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
11. THEN we'd have to discuss honestly SSRI effects, housing the mentally ill (NIMBY!), "personal
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:32 PM
May 2014

liberty" and "least-restrictive environment," etc.

Reagan was evil.

Turbineguy

(37,337 posts)
8. I don't remember when I started to notice,
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:21 PM
May 2014

probably in the late 1960's, but it seems to me most television commercials geared toward boys or men are about obtaining power and how the product advertised, whether a car, beer or a toy, will bestow that power.

Young Elliott had at least one thing that was supposed to bestow power, but did not seem to.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
10. It is who we are. We are taught history as a litany of war victories. Our folk heroes are fighters
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:30 PM
May 2014

and cowboys. Manifest Destiny on the bodies of Native Americans.

We are a Gun Culture.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. scared of losing your power that you feel you must lash out with vicious words
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:36 PM
May 2014

really rude pundit?

i do not know about now. this is the first rude pundit i have read for a couple years. because rude pundit like to liberally use the c word when talking about women, and bitch and readily uses "pussy" on men. so i ask.

really rude pundit? good to know, you have evolved.

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