If you don't find this horrifying, I simply don't know what to say to you.

[WilliamPitt]

Lessons From a Day Spent With the UCSB Shooter's Awful Friends
http://jezebel.com/lessons-from-a-day-spent-with-the-ucsb-shooters-awful-f-1582884301/+tcraggs22

PUAHs.

Not even going to copy and paste. Click at your peril.

[onecaliberal]

1. No words...

[Politicalboi]

2. I'm no shrink, but

Wouldn't legalized prostitution help some of these loons. I know rape isn't about sex, but maybe it will quell some of these assholes.

[seabeyond]

3. really? you want to serve up some women to appease these entitled boys...? too? nt

[LiberalElite]

9. This post elsewhere in GD -

one of these guys opines that prostitution might "help" them. (quotes are mine)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025022574

[seabeyond]

11. ya. i have yet to see a Op of his that was not objectifying a woman or degrading a woman

he deletes about half Ops. i guess once he gets it up, he sees, not gonna fly.

[Politicalboi]

10. Prostitutes who will gladly take the money

I'm just thinking it "may" help for some men. "Legal" prostitution would be a healthy thing to have here in the US. IMO

[el_bryanto]

12. That's a lot of quotation marks - but I think that if you are in favor of legalized prostitution

you hurt your case by arguing it might help some guys not rape women.

Bryant

[seabeyond]

15. every country that has legalized see a sharp increase in sex slaves. imported kidnapped women and

children to meet demand. all countries that legalized are looking to solve the issue that have occurred.

[ChazII]

42. +100

[AngryAmish]

14. that is kinda sick

Why should these women have to suffer?

[Starry Messenger]

5. The UCSB shooter mentioned several times he thought buying sex would be beneath him.

He didn't even like going to his female shrink, because he thought it was too much like going to a hooker.

[Politicalboi]

16. We'll never know

Maybe he would have if it were legal here. If it wasn't looked down on as a profession. Maybe if we didn't make sex dirty and be more like Europe we would have less of these loons.

[Starry Messenger]

19. Another wise woman here said that legalized prostitution in the US

would probably just solidify the commodification of women and their bodies. I've never been to Europe, so can't speak to that, but we already have a society here in the US where we are treated like human refuse.

Personally, I think it would just up sex trafficking even more.

[Politicalboi]

29. I realize some these men are sick

And I don't want anyone to get hurt. But these creeps are few. Maybe I chewed off more than I can handle with what I posted. I just think legal prostitution would be a good thing.

[Starry Messenger]

32. Well, the guys in this particular instance are issuing rape threats.

That's a form of assault, not desire, so I don't think any form of man/woman partnership would be something I'd encourage.

[redqueen]

35. The article linked at this post is well worth reading.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5018916

[flashbang]

60. But they're not few...

TW: post may be too graphic for some to contend with while they rationalize prostitution of women

...you might consider reading up on an Interpol scandal of sorts wherein the very agency charged with freeing those kidnapped and/or exploited into sexual slavery internationally were actually turning a blind eye to it. I reference 'Interpol'.

Also, various mobs in our own country, from various countries, routinely bring women in from all over the world to be sold right here kn the states. Sexual trafficking rings have been busted in suburban neighborhoods. You see, the issue that the evil feministisms are and have been trying to get our society to discuss honestly HAVEN'T been dealt with, like some claim.

One state in our country legalized brothels. Craigslist ftw on sexual trafficking by various gangs.

Now, I want you to honestly imagine young males being sexually exploited and objectified by women, young and old, in every single exact way men do to women WORLD WIDE and THEN tell me...how ok would you be with that? Tell the fing truth dude, to everyone and yourself. If your sons bodies, and your body, could be owned, used, beaten, shipped around in trunks, tied up to a small cot for 10hrs every day while strangers grunted on you, slapped you, pulled your hair, bit you, shoved you 30 at a time in containers, used you in films and put them online, handcuffed you, hooked you on junk, and left your body in bits out in a desert when he/you was too used up for profit (cause he got gross ugly passed around too much at 15, plus the food and ER bills...more money out than coming in, you know)....you'd be ok with all that? Because you have to go there FIRST boss, before you start glibly talking about 'legalizing prostitution'!

Hey, maybe that's too much brutal reality for you?

Alright, let's play 'nice guy/strip club'. You're cool with that, right?,Driving down the road towards those nude neon lights? That big sign n the side of a busy road, the one near schools and parks and...EVERYTHING....in big, block letters says "NUDE GIRLS". Those are ok? No big deal?

Then you wouldn't mind if I opened up a club, for fully nude....BOYS? Right? That's no big deal.

"NUDE BOYS".

Now, be honest again: What are the real odds MY club won't get sued, shut down, or burnt down before yours? In fact, what are the odds that sign would stay up for more than an hour?

Sorry, but this pseudo-liberal horsesh't pisses me off. And get mad at me if it blows your hair back, but I'm just trying to emphasize how FAR some really have to go before they can even begin to claim they 'get it' when women say they've had enough of all this. So, please think next time before you start offering 'fixes' for some strangers sex drives. Youlve NO idea what strangerbro has in mind for that woman prostitute you hope to give him access to.

Again, if it seems 'harsh', it's because I really believe some guys just don't get HOW harsh it is.

This is a time for everyone to learn. One is: don't tell women, or yourself for sh't sakes, that the solution is to be willing to 'legally' sell their bodies to possibly murderous and mentally ill men.

[Spider Jerusalem]

39. Legalisation of prostitution in Europe hasn't really worked out too well.

It just encourages trafficking of women as sex workers from Eastern Europe. There's a reason why a lot of places are considering the so-called "Nordic model" of criminalising men who buy sex. And there are calls to change the laws in countries where prostitution has been decriminalised or legalised, like Germany and the Netherlands. See here for instance: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/human-trafficking-persists-despite-legality-of-prostitution-in-germany-a-902533.html

[bettyellen]

18. poor female shrinks, everyone from Tony Soprano to this entitled asshole gets to free associate

about whether or not they'd be his whore.

[Starry Messenger]

22. I'd quit.

Teaching high school is bad enough.

[joshcryer]

47. The messed up part was how he liked looking at her.

And being around her because she was pretty. It shows the utter despicable contradiction in his own psychopathy.

[redqueen]

63. It's just another result of his objectification of women.

He saw women as sex objects first and foremost.

[sufrommich]

6. Because nothing shows a misoginist that women

are human beings who deserve
respect like renting a woman for an hour.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. Legit question of legalized prostitution aside, I think these particular "men"

would still have issues because paying for it might offend their sensibilities. Hot women just owe them sex, you see. Secondly, since they treat women as status symbols, a quick visit with a prostitute doesn't satisfy their keeping up with the Joneses issue. That's my take on it, anyway.

[Politicalboi]

24. They may talk like that because it's not legal

Many people are all talk. I bet most of those who claim it's beneath them would do it. Men and women prostitutes I'm talking about, not just women. I see nothing wrong with it being legal. I see more benefits.

[GreenPartyVoter]

26. They might avail themselves. Perhaps they do so even now. But if that

sense of entitlement/victimization is more than just talking big on a forum as you suggest, then no I don't think it would make a difference.

[Politicalboi]

30. For some it won't

But if you grow up in a society where sex is looked at as normal, and going to a prostitute isn't looked down on, we may have a different mind set to our futures.

[LadyHawkAZ]

17. There's plenty of reasons to support legalization

That's not one of them.

[Politicalboi]

25. True

And I don't want that to be the reason. But if we weren't so afraid of sex as a society, we may have better kids with respect for women.

[LadyHawkAZ]

28. I agree 10000% with that statement n/t

[Keefer]

33. It doesn't need to be "legal."

He could have chartered a private jet and flew to the Bunny Ranch in Nevada. Not like he couldn't afford it. Or, he could have hung out on Hollywood Blvd. and paid for it like every other john does.

[Gormy Cuss]

48. In a word, no.

It's not really about just getting laid. It's about getting laid without payment by an object of your fantasies.

[Hekate]

49. No, it would not. No woman would be able to deliver the adulation they crave....

They would resent the hell out of paying for what they believe is their God given due.

I thought about prostitution too, until I read an early quote here from PUAH that lumped "Thai wives" in with prostitutes as being in the category of undesirable and contemptible last resorts. I got a cold chill thinking of the raw danger any woman would be in if she were alone with any of those twisted men.

[ButterflyBlood]

50. I doubt illegalization matters to these guys

I mean mass shootings aren't exactly legal either. And I highly doubt none of these guys have never indulged in the plant in your avatar. Just for starters.

I mean I'm in favor of legalization but this isn't really a reason why.

[Gravitycollapse]

53. That is literally the exact opposite of what should be done. Nice try, though.

As someone else said, you want to serve women up on a platter to quell the madness of sexism. I can't even imagine a suggestion more diametrically opposed to the actual solution besides the legalization of rape.

[0rganism]

4. That's fucked up on so many levels

the underlying theme is the freaking entitlement these "men" think they have, the sense that in some way they deserve sexual idolization and servicing by all women and it's somehow someone else's fault they're lonely and unsatisfied. And the way they reinforce each-other's delusions... it's a circle jerk of confused proto-adolescent sexuality and narcissistic personality disorders. These people need psychiatric help, urgently.

[seabeyond]

7. How many times do they have to tell us before we believe them?

[9:27 AM]: media doesnt aknolwedge the majroity of males' discontentment with current sexual distopia

[9:27 AM]: its all about HATING WOMEN

[AngryAmish]

8. In the ladt few thousand years only about 40% of men reproduced

Some were killed or died young (although in neolithic societies nowadays the ones killed fighting had a slight reproductive edge). What does this mean? There are a lot of dudes out there that no women want anything to do with for good reason. This article found them.

[MohRokTah]

20. That is the most disturbing thing I have ever read.

Seriously demented men.

[redqueen]

21. This is familiar.

[

9:24 AM]: the socially constructionist view of reality is fundamentally flawed. guys who see this think... oooh wait...i get it now. his reaction was unique but the causes were no different. most men go through what he went through but most react differently. some die, some ignore society, some enslave themselves to society and wife.

This weekend, I made the enlightening mistake of participating in the #YesAllWomen hashtag. I call it a mistake because a depressing number of responses I got for my sub-140 character contribution to the conversation centered around the fact that ELLIOT RODGER DIDN'T HATE WOMEN HE WAS MENTALLY ILL AND BESIDES HE KILLED MORE MEN THAN WOMEN! which is an excuse that it seems gets made a lot whenever the guy (because it's almost always a guy) holding the gun (because it's almost always a gun) is white-looking rather than brown or black-looking. Mental illness. Not terrorism or misogyny or a metastacized perversion of mildly fucked up aspects of American masculinity culture that become massively fucked up aspects when they collide with mental illness or personality disorders. Rodger said he did it because he hates women.

[valerief]

23. I wish I could say I was surprised, but women are second class citizens in America.

Yay, Jeebus.

[redqueen]

27. ...

But despite the fact that many of the PUAHate forum participants could probably benefit from some therapy, Elliot Rodger and company aren't the mentally ill outliers that the media (and the NRA) depicts them as. They're much more common than we want them to be. They're capable of being functional members of society — hell, Elliot Rodger was able to talk his way out of a property search that would have thwarted his mass murder plans before they even began to play out. Part of being a woman is the slow realization that some men, for no discernible reason, are always going to hate you. And you have no way of knowing who they are until they open their mouths, or open fire. Or sit as a fly on a wall in a chat room, invisible, female, and hated.

[Jamastiene]

31. There are lots of them out there.

WARNING: The link in this post leads to a message board with homophobic, racist, and sexist language.

I was disgusted to find this one last night:
http://wizardchan.org/v9k/res/100842.html

It just gets worse and worse. I knew there were individual men in this world who think that way, but I had no idea they were congregating online and patting each other on the back for who could be the most misogynist. That is truly disgusting. I wonder if the hosts of some of these sites have policies against this sort of thing.

Btw, K&R

On edit:
Here is a summarized description for those who don't want to wade into that garbage. I know I wish I hadn't found it.
http://crasstalk.com/2014/05/the-ideologies-of-wizardchan-virgin9000/

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. So let me get this straight... The author doesn't identify the site, and hides the names.

Yet, I'M (as one of the "not all men&quot responsible for the continuation of misogyny due to my inaction, as noted in a post yesterday.

I wanna know where she copied and pasted this from, and I want to know the usernames who posted this shit. Want me to be proactive in the war AGAINST MISOGYNY? Gimme names and site addresses. Don't fucking HIDE what you're putting out there...

I think laws were broken by these assholes.

And yes, Will, I'm fucking disgusted.

[bettyellen]

41. you already CAN be proactive against misogyny every day locally- Did you really not know that?

And dumping on this author for exposing this is bullshit. She is doing her part- why are you pretending you can't- and that it is because of her?

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. My point is that shit like this should NEVER be allowed anonymity and doing so ENABLES

the misogynists I'm being lumped in with. She exposed NOTHING. Hiding the site and hiding the usernames exposed NOTHING. NOTHING.

[bettyellen]

44. Are you kidding? Shit like this is EVERYWHERE. Go chase it down and try and do something about it.

Hate speech is protected, and she made a choice not to publicize one site of dozens like it. Not he fault if you feel you are being "lumped with" anyone, that would be coming from people who know you- wouldn't it? Not her fault- and maybe you need to examine why you jumped to the conclusion your problems are her fault? Could be illuminating for you.

[redqueen]

45. It is very common and not hard to find. Post 31 just above his has two links. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

55. "she made a choice not to publicize..."

If I know someone is a murderer, or believe he/she may be planning a murder... and I choose to hide their identity, what does that make me? An accessory. If SOMEONE who posted on that site she didn't name RAPES or MURDERS... Whose shoulders should bear that load?

The "lumped with" comes from the recent change in context in the use of misogyny. Within the last two or three weeks, it's been used in the same context as "white privilege". Since I've never been pulled over for "driving while black", I'm a beneficiary of white privilege. A post yesterday said though I might not have pulled the trigger in reference to these murders, I'm part of the "problem".

So someone has insight as to where dickheads like Roger are posting, and chooses to publicize her KNOWLEDGE of said posts, but hide THEIR identities... to what end?

[bettyellen]

58. EVERYONE of us can find 6-7 sites like that in 10 minutes- posting vague threats of rape and murder

what in thee world do you think you are going to do about it- that you couldn't have done yesterday? go and report it to the police, loads of people do. If it is not a specific credible threat, the cops aren't going to help you. It doesn't matter a whit she isn;t naming names- you have links to 5-6 hate sites on page 1 of GD- if you actually want them. Get to it, and tell us how it went!

What kind of twisted logic makes you doing nothing, all her fault? You always could, and still can do something- and by something, I don't mean raging at a woman and blaming her for your failures.

Not catching ANY of the irony in this, are you? Your failure to act is not her fault. Get over it.
If you keep sitting on your hands and condemn others who are actually publicizing the issue- yes, your are becoming art of the problem.

[joshcryer]

51. The site is easily found by googling keywords.

It is clearly a PUAHate TinyChat room. I found it within 15 seconds.

[WilliamPitt]

56. Go to bed.

[bettyellen]

59. It's the lady wirters fault- obviously. Eye opening stuff here.

cute baby, btw. has your smile!

[JanMichael]

36. first time in over a decade

that I wish I had not clicked on a link you posted.

I wish I could make that unseen/ unknown

[WilliamPitt]

57. I warned you.

[baldguy]

37. I find instructive & appalling violent misogyny & violent gun fantasies often go hand in hand.

An individual who showed signs of mental illness & behaviors indicative of violence enough for his friends, family & loved ones to plan on intervening to get him the help he needed & head off the violence instead received support from the gun worshiper community to act out on those violent behaviors.

[Katashi_itto]

38. Wow. I feel the need for a shower.

Think I will go watch "Eraserhead". It'll be light comedy after reading that.

[BootinUp]

40. I need a strong chemical bath to remove that shit now. nt

[redqueen]

46. Anyone else notice the first comment?

Jezebel, a site for women.

Still can't fucking avoid it.

[joshcryer]

52. I used to think these fucks were trolls.

But after Roger Elliot's rampage and manifesto, the internet has become a much scarier place, representing an extreme level of human psychopathy.

[antiGOPin294]

54. One of the saddest things I've read this week. Almost cried after reading it.

It's truly appalling that in the 21st century, males in this country still cling on to such old-fashioned and antiquated ideas about women in general. But who am I kidding? After all, only 50-60 years ago, women were expected to basically be slaves to their husbands, staying home all day doing housework, instead of going out into the real world and pursue their own careers. We really have a long way to go in regards to women's rights.

[intaglio]

61. This is bad, but just a fraction of the hate out there

There's Mens Rights subreddit for a start.

[redqueen]

62. Kick. nt

[LanternWaste]

64. Some of the sentiments have been echoed on DU.

The "totally hawt babes" discussions, the "ELLIOT RODGER DIDN'T HATE WOMEN HE WAS MENTALLY ILL AND BESIDES HE KILLED MORE MEN THAN WOMEN" and the "I'm entitled to and deserve sex" sentiments have been echoed here more than once unfortunately.

[redqueen]

65. Yep. It is quite disturbing. nt