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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's almost time for a big "Welcome Back" to Willy T
Alas, he posted a cartoon from Washington Post last night that was not appreciated.
I believe he'll be back soon to provide his clipping service to us here.
Thanks, Willy, for being indefatigable.
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)I could swear I saw him posting yesterday 
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Number 5 was last night.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)tell me there aren't people around here that try to run off those with views different than their own.
A Washington Post cartoon gets a hide?
JI7
(89,274 posts)dosen't matter where it came from.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)......cartoons of George W. with big ears. I probably did it myself. And I laughed a lot of the pictures of him looking like a dope or worse. Just sayin'.
Cartoonists have ridiculed every president.
JI7
(89,274 posts)things were for BUsh on DU and why we can't do the same to Obama ???????????
MADem
(135,425 posts)Not.
Good grief, read the ToS.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Do not post and encourage Republican attacks against a Democratic President here.
Really not a difficult rule to follow.
If people hate the President so much that they start using rightwing attacks against him, they should have the decency to do it over with their buddies at discussionist.com
dionysus
(26,467 posts)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The toon can be taken in more than one way and the jury choose to take it badly. It's a shame what the self-righteous, so-called liberals are doing to DU.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)know, the Third Way hates Liberals. Liberals tend to tell the truth and the truth is very inconvenient for those with an agenda. Willy is a Liberal. The Left is a target of the Far Right and of the Third Way. That is a fact.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)
KoKo
(84,711 posts)yet he suddenly comes up with 5 Hides in the last 90 Days?
Of all of our "controversial posters" I would never put "Willy T" on any kind of watch list to be posting "inappropriate" OP's.
Dreadful...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Simply make "Alerts" transparent.
DU3 was originally designed with that feature.
There is no doubt that there is a group of Alert Stalkers
who seem to be able to monitor DU 24/7.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)...but I'm not the person to ask.
There IS a small group of petty, vindictive members who support a Surveillance/Security State, and it would be characteristic to embrace a way to snitch in secret.
We ALL remember them from Junior High.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)I think he said maybe a few dozen, on average, per day?
bvar22
(39,909 posts).....unless someone has something to hide.
That would remove even the hint of concern about Alert Stalkers.
I've never posted an Alert that I wouldn't be PROUD to sign my name to.
I've never left a comment on a Jury that I wouldn't be PROUD to sign my name to.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)disabled. showing the alerter's name in the alert itself might make arguments just worse or influence decisions if a juror simply dislikes the alerter...
I try my best not to alert, unless I think the post I'm alerting on is bad enough to.
hack89
(39,171 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/12596054
dionysus
(26,467 posts)if I'm on a jury and the alert is on a person i don't even like, unless the post is an over the top insult, or an intentional lie, I tend to vote to leave the post unhidden.
you could also use the jury blacklist if you think there's a small group of folks out to get you. I was gonna set mine up but i got lazy and forgot all about it.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)JI7
(89,274 posts)unless he agrees with it.
Cha
(297,702 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)I didn't see the cartoon. So I can't judge.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)The Washington Post presents a diversity of opinion, and that includes political cartoons.
FSogol
(45,529 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)
JI7
(89,274 posts)which was a right wing attack on the PResident.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)A TelePrompTer "joke"?
Sid
FSogol
(45,529 posts) 
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)You guys play so fair, that's what I love about you. 
FSogol
(45,529 posts) geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Btw the cartoon was over year old.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Do you ever get tired of pretending to be righteously indignant about everything posted on DU. You good, all who disagree bad. It's getting pretty old. Yeah I know, hammer that alert button oh warrior of virtue.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)if you can't live without rightwing hate being belched up here.
Or is it only rightwing hate of the President that tickles your fancy?
Here's some of Scott Stantis's other work.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef01a3fcbc7e52970b-pi
or this one:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef019b01b2f7fd970b-800wi
or this one:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef019affe55f96970c-800wi
that is what you are defending.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Response to L0oniX (Reply #215)
rhett o rick This message was self-deleted by its author.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)only the frogs are more than willing to have the heat turned up. TPTB have made war clean (like clean coal) so most people have no conscience about the extrajudicial mass murders on the innocent. Meanwhile the soul of the USA is being sold to the greedy rich while the idiots believe they have a chance to become like them. Yes the Dems had the chance to make a lot of huge corrections but they for the most part like our POTUS succumbed to TPTB. I don't believe the POTUS ever really was what he portrayed himself as being during his 1st campaign. I know I feel that I have been lied to. I sit here without health insurance because I fall between the cracks with my income. I'm lucky I have income at my age and my house is paid for ...but I give credit to God for that. I do hate to see the US go down the path of complacency and serfdom as it capitulates to the 1% and insatiable war mongers. IMO the only remedy is a mass revolt with mass protests and civil disobedience ...Howard Zinn would agree. The only real changes that have happened here did so because of revolt. DU is going to have a war in 2016 and it has already started. I'm with the left ...always have been since being anti establishment, anti corrupt corporation and anti war in the 60's.
Peace
dionysus
(26,467 posts)posters I knon who would resort to such lowbrow tactics. of course, those who would are applauding that toon up and down the thread, pleading ignorance...
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Loyalist.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)on the background of the cartoonist? Guess 2, you are intimating that WillyT was aware of the possible controversy and posted anywayz. Guess 3, WillyT is a racist.
My guess is that there are some here that are overly sensitive to anything other than lavish praise for the President that they will lock & hide first and ask questions later.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)here or there perhaps, i suppose. but there's been a zillion of them, so to not know teleprompter jokes are usually in the realm of RW "humour" is hard to believe.
2: he is clever enough to do so if he wanted, so it's possible, but not as likely as I don't see Willy as particularly guileful.
3: highly unlikely that Willy is a racist or RWer; I might not see eye to eye with him on some things but he seems a man of integrity.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)would be not so quick to hide. Especially if we trust the poster.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)
malaise
(269,182 posts)Hurry back!! 
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...is futile, anyway. I'll wager that most people DO open a hidden post just to see what was there. The only purpose, then is to punish someone for their speech.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I'd like to see it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Jaysus!!!!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I guess they failed to notice it was the cyber security conference. It was satire, and it bent a bunch of folks out of shape.
Hey, I'm on number 4, so I'm sure it is just gas on flames to make this number 5 for me, too.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)You know some will alert on you, too. To avoid a timeout, you could just edit to replace the cartoon with a link to Willy's Transparency Page, where clicking on the top hide will go to Willy's hidden post.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Thanks 
Done, that way I don't get dinged. Thanks, P3N
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts) Aerows
(39,961 posts)by a comic that portrays him seamlessly speaking in a different language?
He's a smart man. You act like he isn't smart enough after his years as President to be able to speak different languages and follow along with different cultures.
And that *comic* was right-wing?
It was also a commentary on international computer security, as is OBVIOUS by the name on the platform he is speaking behind.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)I've seen people twist to prove a point, but this attempt might be the greatest act of contortion that I've seen on DU.
Do you think the point of the cartoon is to say Obama is so smart that he can read Chinese off a teleprompter - or that Obama will read anything off the teleprompter like a brainless idiot? The fact the men are quickly rushing to to turn the prompter off indicates quite clearly the overall point of the cartoon - and it isn't that Obama is just so smart.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)off a teleprompter"? Yes, I really do. They hacked it and he continued on doing what he was there to do.
He's competent, and made the Chinese look bad.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)lol
Aerows
(39,961 posts)We obviously have different life experiences, but it was open to interpretation and was ... a political cartoon. In the WaPo. Not some backwater publication.
Number23
(24,544 posts) reached the point of defending teleprompter jokes against the President.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Last edited Sat May 31, 2014, 12:24 PM - Edit history (1)
I'll bow my head and prepare myself for being bashed.
There is no other way of interpreting the comic, and I will shut up and take my lumps.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts) geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)before the Republicans had Benghazi, they had teleprompter jokes.
Because, according to them, that dumb negro President couldn't really be that smart, he had to have some white people feeding him the words so he could act them out
that's the background behind that garbage
So, there's two reasons why someone would post cartoon that at DU:
1) they're a rightwing jackoff; or
2) they are ignorant as to what it means
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You didn't recognize the sarcasm and snark in #1?
#2
"Stay on the map" while bowing to a Palestinian, which he has never done in regards to his foreign policy critics?
#3 I have no idea what that means. So you got me on #3.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)remember the government shutdown when the WWII memorial was closed because the Republicans shut the government down?
His spin on it was Obama acting snooty and arrogant and mean towards WWII veterans.
He's a rightwing asshole
Sorry, you are flat out wrong on this guy.
Maybe this will change your mind on the meaning of the teleprompter joke:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef017d3c81c822970c-800wi
remember this theme:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef01774373f1be970d-800wi
and this one:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef017615ad5cd2970c-800wi
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)what do you think about this cartoon of his?
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef0163010b6d29970d-800wi
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)That's why we have some seeing it only as an Obama Teleprompter slam while others of us focus on the cyberwar humor. I doubt that disagreement will be resolved here.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's complex, but rushing to call it an insult seems equally rash.
My .02 for what it is worth.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Scott Stantis is a right-wing political cartoonist who has drawn some very anti-Obama toons over the years. In fact, from what I can tell, there aren't many positive cartoons he's ever done (beyond when he was running against the Clintons).
Here's a typical Stantis cartoon:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef01a3fcbc7e52970b-pi
And another take from Stantis on the teleprompter:
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)And many of us don't see it as just another stale Teleprompter slam on Obama.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)WillyT posts a lot about the NSA, spying and cyber security. I know this, because I participate in a lot of his threads. The podium explicitly stated it was a Cyber Intelligence event, so naturally, I noted the fact that he got hacked.
I didn't see the whole teleprompter thing, because I didn't know this cartoonist from Adam. I just saw it as "he got hacked at a cyber security conference and seamlessly continued on, regardless."
I do not believe for one minute WillyT posted that cartoon with ill intent.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that one person's interpretation of a cartoon is the polar opposite of a different person's reaction.
Not everyone thinks the same way. I'm not alone in my interpretation of it, either.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)the cartoonist is a RW hack who draws mostly anti-Obama garbage. As for Willy's intent in posting it, only he knows what it was...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to disagree, Dionysus.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)to see any criticism of the president or right wing sources. I wouldn't have voted to hide that. I wouldn't have voted to hide most of the hidden posts on his transparency page. One of them was a reply to me, which was nothing more than a misunderstanding of my post. I didn't alert on that and I was surprised when it was hidden.
I would also guess that some people just don't like Willy. He was a bit of a hot head on DU2 and got a lot of posts, usually in a series, deleted by the mods. He's been pretty well behaved on DU3.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)it was an excellent, no-brainer hide.
rightwing attack cartoon using classic rightwing meme by a rightwing Obama-hating hack of a cartoonist, Scott Stantis.
who produces such lovely stuff like this:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef0163010b6d29970d-800wi
I'd alert on Skinner if he posted a cartoon by that guy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025028139
Of course, Skinner's too smart to do that.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)got hidden by a jury,
they must think this is discussionist
I guess they are just incapable of figuring out that just because material is hateful towards the President, that doesn't make it progressive
Maybe these people will start posting birth certificate jokes, and talk about the Benghazi cover up, since only an Obama cultist wouldn't want to encourage that kind of dialogue
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)These people will defend the cartoon because the poster is someone popular. It was the same when Will Pitt called the president a piece of shit used cars salesman.
I don't truly believe these people believe there is nothing wrong with the cartoon. I just don't think they want to believe because they like WillT, who, by everything I've seen, is a pretty all right dude. I've seen a lot of people twisting this around, even one poster suggesting that the cartoon was praising Obama because of his intelligence and ability to speak Chinese.
Yeah. Right.
Ms. Toad
(34,093 posts)The cartoon can be interpreted multiple ways. I wouldn't have hidden it - not because I have any particular fondness for WillyT -but because my initial interpretation of the cartoon was the same as Aerows. I don't spend much time reading political cartoons, don't know this particular cartoonist from a hole in the ground, and without that context it is really is not inherently offensive.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and WillyT has made a lot of posts about cyber security and spying. I approached it from that context since it said right on the cartoon that he was discussing cyber security.
It seems like a lot of people interpreted it that way.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)it's been well documented on DU. for example Palin read a lame teleprompter joke about Obama that she had written on her hand.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)But this thread is about a DUer that spoke out about surveillance that SHOULD offend everyone on DU and got hidden for it, as the icing on the cake, by a WaPo cartoon.
Let that shit sink in. A WaPo cartoon.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Nadin is a good member and she frequently has good points and posts.
petronius
(26,603 posts)of the podium was too indistinct, and some context in the OP would have helped, but I really don't see that as a 'teleprompter joke'...
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)I know that it is what caused me to not get the joke.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Google "Obama" "teleprompter" and tell me it isn't a right-wing attack. It doesn't matter where the cartoon supposedly takes place - it's point is clear: Obama is too stupid to formulate a thought of his own and will read whatever is in front of him like some brainless idiot.
Don't believe me? It's something the Republicans have been saying for years, specifically Sarah Palin:
http://www.alan.com/2010/02/07/palin-mocks-obama-for-teleprompter-reads-notes-off-hand/
Do you agree with her, or these cartoons, too?
All just hilarious posts, right? I bet you see no problem with those, either.
grasswire
(50,130 posts).....who would otherwise never have seen them. Bravo!
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Some even find these cartoons HILARIOUS!
LOL !!!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)DUers seem to find Obama being caricatured as a blubbering idiot who needs a teleprompter to speak so damn funny.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and do not consider the WAPO in the same league, you, on the other hand, seem to find these jokes funny or you would not post them.
Or is this another call out to the imaginary left of your imagination? I would say it is a great fail.
By the way, teleprompters, in case you wonder, are actually programmed and are liable to hacking. Perhaps the American media did not cover this, but the Chinese Military did hack American companies to engage in a fine game of cyber stealing. That is what that cartoon is about. I know it is sad that this has to be translated to you.
I am adding some foreign media links to this, since aparently it was never covered in the US Press. I hope you read Spanish though.
http://www.clarin.com/mundo/militar-secreta-China-hackeo-Unidos_0_869313115.html
http://aristeguinoticias.com/2805/mundo/hackean-chinos-sistema-de-defensa-de-eu/
It would not shock me that the US Press would not cover this shit though. (Even though CNN did cover it) http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/20/world/asia/china-united-states-cyber-hacking/
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Everyone who's half-paid attention on DU over the years knows this. Palin attacked him. The media attacked him. It doesn't matter who it comes from: the theme behind the attack is clear - Obama can't formulate his own ideas without the help of the teleprompter.
But you want to know what is sad? The fact you can't see there are two things at play here - the Chinese stealing secrets and the fact Obama, again, relies solely on his teleprompter and is useless without it.
Here's a simple question to you: If Obama's teleprompter started showing Chinese characters during a speech, do you think the President would read it like there's nothing curious about it?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Chinese hacks.
You really need to get a clue, and get a lot less defensive of the POTUS. He is not a god, neither are you or me.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am amazed we need to translate this political cartoon to you. I thought you truly were far more sophisticated as a political observer. I see you really are not. Thanks for that clarification. I will no longer think of you that way ever again. Not an attack before you alert, this exchange has been extremely revealing.
It does explain though your post on the "far left" though. If you hang out at RW sites, that language is in vogue.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Have you ever seen the movie Anchorman? There is a scene where one of the main characters 'hacks' the teleprompter of Will Ferrell's character to 'prove' he'll read whatever the hell is on it. What do you know - he does and then gets fired! That's the joke.
Same thing at play here. If you can't see it, well then bully for you.
Beyond that, DU has spoken A LOT over the years about the teleprompter joke - and how the right has ridiculed him for it since he became president. It doesn't take leaving this site to get that right-wing narrative as there are over 86,000 posts on the subject:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22obama%22+%22teleprompter%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Burgundy is far from loosely based on an actual San Diego anchor who was famous for those stunts. In San Diego anchorman is not quite a comedy. It is more like a tale with some comedy attached to it.
As to the rest... Not just me, have told you that you are taking a political toon out of context. At this point keep digging
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)This wasn't a pro-Obama cartoon. It was a cartoon attacking him and using a narrative that right-wingers have used for years now - Obama can only sound smart reading from a teleprompter. Look Stantis up and you'll see how awful he's depicted Obama in the past.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You are going to incredible lengths to prove to the rest of us that a cartoon that you obviously did not get, was actually not funny. It is all about context which you keep missing. It has to be on purpose.
What is pathetic is that you went to far right wing non mainstream sources to get proof. Has it occurred to you that perhaps the POTUS has a smidgen of a thicker skin than obviously you do?
I have seen such toons in Mexican mainstream papers. No, they are not right wing. This hacking has become the butt of multiple jokes. I recommend you stay away, and no, I will not post them. You will feel more insulted even.
But at this point, truly, the joke is on you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)who didn't promote and defend an OBVIOUS rightwing attack on the President from an extreme rightwing cartoonist.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)that using a teleprompter is something to be ashamed of...is that the case or not?
And if the right thinks it is then you agree with them.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Means you are stupid.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Obviously the President isn't aware that he's speaking a different language. What do you think that's implying?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And we enabled them by taking offense at it, thus re enforcing the idea that there is something wrong with using one.
If we had ignored it this toon would never have been made.
The right knows how to push the buttons and the left still don't get how that works and falls for it every time.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)really.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)I don't hang out on right-wing sites or other places they would be posted.
Where did you find them?
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so of course I have, at Tea Party events even. I did not break into hives either. Or caught a disease, or started to get on fire.
But that is MY JOB as a reporter. What the hell are you doing at those sites like Breitbart.com?
My all time favorite event to cover actually was Ron Paul's rally. It was a hell of a rally... and interesting as hell. I am still NOT voting for them. The second was the empty chair.
So you hang out at those places often?
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Because there are a billion posts about Obama and his teleprompter over the years right here on this site:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22obama%22+%22Teleprompter%22+&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com
If you were only half-paying attention, especially in 2009 and 2010, you'd easily know about this right-wing attack.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)special unit of the Chinese military of hacking and get the CONTEXT, which you are still mis interpreting and continue to dig. I admit, highly entertaining.
I cannot wait for your next poutrage against "the left." Which should be translated to the imaginary left.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)There's another active thread in which a handful of posters are playing dumb about the actual subject at hand in order to score deceitful points. Some have a vested interest in misunderstanding, and this takes discourse to a really dysfunctional and unfortunate place.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)it was a bit hard to miss. It seems, though, that since I didn't mention it, you are stretching for something to snark about. Feel free to continue digging that hole, though - it is amusing to watch.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)About 86,000 results involving Obama and his teleprompter on this site alone. Don't pretend this is some little known attack.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)which was that post full of right-wing cartoons that you swore everyone had seen. Until then, flail away on your own.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Just that it was obviously a right-wing attack that has been posted a great deal over the years on DU. The fact it's used by the right-wing to insult the President makes that cartoon negatively right-wing.
You're acting like this isn't a well known attack on the President - as if, it's something I just made up.
When in fact, it's an attack discussed A LOT on DU and has been pushed by mainstreamers like Sarah Palin and Marco Rubio.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22obama%22+%22teleprompter%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com
LOTS of posts there discussing it. This is a right-wing attack and always has been.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they're just peeved that Obama hate got hidden, and rightwing Obamahate is almost as good for them as leftwing Obamahate
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)As I posted elsewhere in this thread, there is room for different interpretations. That's why you see it as just a resurrection of the old Obama Teleprompter slam while others see it as a funny take on cyber warfare. That's why some don't feel the same outrage you do.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Calling those who objected to the cartoon "dumber than a box of rocks"
even though, there is zero doubt what the cartoonist intended, given this cartoon of his:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef01539171c727970b-800wi
or this one:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef017d3c81c822970c-pi
those who objected to that cartoon are not the ones looking stupid in this affair
people thought they were soooo smart and sophisticated by reading a blatant rightwing cartoon into something clever, and that those who recognize rightwing hack work were dumb Obamaworshipping fascists.
Well, the defenders of this cartoon who were smearing those who objected need to have themselves a nice helping of crow and humble pie
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)You're accusing other people of throwing temper tantrums? You've pissed and moaned through this whole thread, and then had to even start a new thread to attack people you didn't attack enough on this one. (Edit: and an ATA thread; can't wait to read that calm missive lol)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)from the people who thought it was a crime against humanity for a rightwing cartoon to get hidden in this thread?
One person upthread called anyone who would hide a rightwing cartoon "dumber than a box of rocks."
Lots of the usual suspects whining and bleating their outrage that rightwing garbage got hidden, crying about authoritarians ruining DU because rightwing propaganda got hidden.
At least I have the virtue of opposing rightwing garbage and knowing what the fuck I am talking about.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)You always think it's the other posters who are "vicious" and maybe some are some of the time--but you don't see it in your own posts, instead thinking you're standing up for "virtue" while demonizing and attacking posters, assuming what their motives are, insinuating they're right wing racists, etc. You're stuck on attack mode. All the fucking time. These people aren't your enemies except in your head, where all this hyperbole is born.
You're not fighting the good fight here. You're just fighting.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Apparently in your mind, people use sock puppets when alerting on rightwing cartoons.
people who supported the cartoon weren't being racists.
they were just being ignorant.
which, combined with their belligerence towards those of us who knew better than they did, led to an unfortunate dynamic
so, I will not curse you out or anything, just leave you with a useful lesson:
maybe you and your crowd should have just a teeny bit of respect for those of us who (unlike you all) figured out that the cartoon was from 15 months ago, was drawn by a rightwing cartoonist who has used it in the past for explicitly rightwing messaging, and was published in the Chicago tribune, not the Washington Post, and are aware that teleprompter jokes are a staple of rightwing hackery.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)No hyperbole there.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)by sockpuppets who were dumber than a box of rocks for objecting to a rightwing cartoon.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)"crime against humanity" is pretty over the top, my friend.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I'm simply suggesting that the reactions to which you are reacting may be to a different interpretation than what YOU are seeing. People who do not see it as a resurrection of the old Obama Teleprompter slam obviously don't feel the outrage that you are feeling.
Regardless of the cartoonist's intent, if it's taken as just a funny joke about cyberwar it's no wonder that many here see it as a bad hide.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)it does not occur to them that a teleprompter cartoon would get hidden for any other reason than that there are dumb, Obama-worshipping authoritarians oppressing all dissidents
willy didn't mean anything bad, he just made a stupid mistake. he's not a bad guy, but this wasn't a bad hide.
i don't blame him for the pathetic, sputtering fauxtrage shown by the cartoon's defenders in this thread.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I would appreciate it if you would keep "I support" to what "you support" not me, personally.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Mail Message
On Fri May 30, 2014, 07:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Bullshit. It was a right-wing attack...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5027235
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Right wing propaganda, even used as an example, is still right wing propaganda.
Please hide this garbage from our site.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 30, 2014, 07:27 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think this person was posting these things to illustrate a point.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Right-wing cartoons presented for criticism, as is the current case, is perfectly fine. The OP is not endorsing the right-wing message, he's attacking it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think posting examples of right-wing propaganda as evidence in a discussion of right-wing propaganda is probably within the allowable limits of these forums. For reference, see also the recent photos and videos from the tea party protest in Washington. I don't think there were any questions about the motives for posting those items on DU.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is the most transparent attempt to willfully misread a poster's intention I've seen on DU. Alerter: shame on you.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A fair venting.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Hypocrites.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)In fact nothing would surprise me.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)but not OK for WillyT.
Got it!
American Exceptionalism reduced to its lowest common denominator.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Yeah, it's a reference to the teleprompter meme, but first thing to cross my mind was this:
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Though I think the first one was part of the sarcasm challenged jury (including the last two that dropped off).
Hence my new sigline.
alsame
(7,784 posts)waiting for an excuse to alert on him and used this cartoon as the reason.
I don't see it as a 'right wing attack', it's about the Chinese being able to hack into the US govt, even the President.
The reason he's speaking Chinese is not because he can't talk without a teleprompter, it's the only way to communicate what's ON the teleprompter.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It wasn't a joke about him using the teleprompter. It was a joke about Chinese being on the teleprompter screen.
alsame
(7,784 posts)overly sensitive.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)this guy's 'toons and they are all typical RW bullshit.
that's enough to piss off people who know about that cartoonist, is all I'm sayin.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)It's the same general idea: Obama stupid. He need teleprompter to speak.
alsame
(7,784 posts)in question is about Chinese hacking and the recent indictments.
5 in China Army Face U.S. Charges of Cyberattacks
WASHINGTON — In the Obama administration’s most direct confrontation with China over its theft of corporate secrets, the Justice Department on Monday unsealed an indictment of five members of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army and charged them with hacking into the networks of Westinghouse Electric, the United States Steel Corporation and other companies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/20/us/us-to-charge-chinese-workers-with-cyberspying.html
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I was starting to get worried that I would have to read Milenio to get those news...
What is sad is that we have to translate the toon to DI
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that the NSA is spying on the American people.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)So either you're wrong about it being about that current new, or the cartoonist can see the future.
Sid
hack89
(39,171 posts)The cartoonist was reacting to a breaking story on the extent of Chinese government hacking against America.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Sad, really.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is the reality, but far left, garble, argle, commies, and leftists...
dionysus
(26,467 posts)whatever Willy's intent was. I think he didn't reaize the cartoonist was a RW douchebag.
This time a randomly selected jury of 7 voted to hide it. the hide may or may not have been wrong, but was hidden by a vote, more of a democratic action than a single mod hiding it.
so not only are you again complaining about DUers, once again, you're defending a right wing cartoonist.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)People really ought to check their feelings on the President if they think posting partisan Republican attacks on the President is okay.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)That was a funny cartoon. The point wasn't the TelePrompTer, it was the hack. Jeez.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)The teleprompter theme has been a right wing attack against the President for years, implying that he can't think or speak without reading words on a screen. However, this was poking fun at the security conference and less at the President. But people didn't get that, and there was little context to explain the joke to the jury. Bummer that it happens, but as Skinner has said several times - you need to make sure people understand your post.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)It's a lame cartoon, but a lamer hide.
deurbano
(2,896 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Fri May 30, 2014, 06:24 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I'm sure I'll get banned, too, for posting a link to it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5027018
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Right wing attack. Other posts of this cartoon have been locked. Why is it continually being posted here?
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 30, 2014, 06:31 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Less potrage more sense.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Anyone that isn't well liked is subject to a time out 
. Sad.
grasswire
(50,130 posts) Aerows
(39,961 posts)Hard to believe it some days
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts) pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)As well as our resident expert on squirrels or raccoons or something.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Indeed I probably am, and wish I wasn't. 
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Are you rabid yet? 
J/k
I hope you healed quickly. I know how unpredictable raccoons can be. I never doubted what you said. I cannot believe WilyT is on timeout for something as innocuous as a cartoon that, obviously, can be interpreted different ways.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I had an $18,000 hospital bill for it, but I'm absolutely sound now.
Don't ever have a reason to go to the hospital, ever.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Stay safe! 
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They did the following: X-ray my hand to make sure bones weren't affected (they weren't)
Did the most awful thing you can have done to you and inject things directly into the wound site. I didn't faint, I didn't scream, but I wanted to.
Five shots.
That's it. $18,000.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It was brought on by a panic attack from a nightmare. My anti-anxiety/depression medicine loses effectiveness sometimes and has to be adjusted. I was going to wait until my doctor's appointment in June to ask him to adjust the dose, because I have such a hard time getting messages to him through his staff in the front office. Part of my symptoms are the very realistic nightmares and I woke up from one in a panic attack that I thought had subsided. Next thing I knew, I had a heart attack before I could get to the bathroom after waking up. So, I was in the hospital for 2 days and the heart attack, it turns out, was brought on by the panic attack.
I didn't get the Medicaid Expansion in NC because they didn't expand it here. I would have qualified. I had a problem with the health exchange getting my ID right with them and the time expired while I was trying to work it out. So, I will have to wait until next year to go back, apparently. That's what the hospital told me. I now have about $14,000 in bills so far from that. The hospital bill alone was $11,600.
I agree. If you can avoid going to the emergency room until you can get on Obamacare, avoid it like the plague. I was begging my family to just give me a few minutes to see if it would calm down. It never did calm down. They gave me three of those nitro tablets under my tongue and my tongue was too dry to dissolve them. When they finally flushed my mouth with water to make them dissolve (about 10 minutes later) was when the pain finally subsided. The whole ordeal was horrendous. I never want to go to the hospital again as long as I live. I made an extra appointment with my doctor to make sure my meds got upgraded. I'm doing much better now. I should have done that to begin with instead of waiting. Lesson learned, the hard way.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Well, I know I appreciate your posts, at least.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)And that is why they are targets of the alert crew.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Unlike one done out of shame.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Thank you zeemike
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)don't matter much.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Personally, I think the cartoon is hilarious. What's more, I suspect the President might have chuckled if he saw it.
If you can't laugh at yourself.....
kiva
(4,373 posts)Hope WillieT is back soon.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)We're getting a lot of threads hidden lately that wouldn't normally be hidden and posters getting time outs that are good posters, like WillieT. What do they have in common? The "offending" posts/posters are not always flattering to the president. I'm not saying there's a concerted effort by the True Believers or anything because that would be against DU rules.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Obviously the same mentality that loves a surveillance state.
Hurry back, Willy! We loves ya!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)When a Washington Post cartoon merits a hide, just because you posted it, you are doing something right.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)HE SAYS IT LIKE IT IS WHICH UPSETS ASSHOLES
proud patriot
(100,715 posts)does anyone have his number , I used to but it's an old number darnit ..
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And it's great to see you still posting, too!! 
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Willy's back in good graces in a day or two, when his first hide drops off his Transparency Page.
proud patriot
(100,715 posts)I'm moving to Hawaii Soon ! If you are ever there stay with us on our coffee farm.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)
proud patriot
(100,715 posts)so much different than here where I've lived my whole life.
ancianita
(36,137 posts) Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)but this?
Interesting ...anyone posted the jury results?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)up thread. It was a Washington Post comic. Lame, maybe, but certainly nothing worth hiding because it was in a mainstream newspaper. It was satire that cut the right. I'm still trying to figure out what was hide worthy about it.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Of the current President ...
We know who they are ...
Every alert is an opportunity to shut down the criticism ...
DU has been quite nutty since they arrived ...
Autumn
(45,120 posts)surprised it was hidden.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)I thought it was about Chinese hackers, too. What's right wing about it? I don't get it.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)listening to right wingers.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)for re posting it.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)...and occasionally, we all need to be reminded that there are other points of view.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Pure Right wing trolling which is against the TOS. Is this Free Republic now? Hide this trash.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu May 29, 2014, 09:24 PM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I get WillyT, I just think there's a better way to go about it. BTW, there is no way in hell I believe WillyT is a RW Troll, get off it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Don't think the OP is a troll but not sure why he/she wanted to post this. Based on the emoticon it seems like they are suggesting that its dumb but it's not completely clear. Voting to hide because it simply doesn't belong on DU unless it's more obvious the OP is pointing out it's dumb.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a fucking cartoon! Get a life morans!
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: RW meme.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Freedom of expression. Do not like it but this is why we are great.
CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION
You will no longer be able to participate in this discussion thread, and you will not be able to start a new discussion thread in this forum until 10:24 PM. This hidden post has been added to your <a href="/?com=profile&uid=109627&sub=trans">Transparency page</a>.
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Uncle Joe
(58,425 posts)I hope it's not long.
Peace to you, WillyT.
Thanks for the thread, grasswire.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)The timeout lasts until his first hide is more than 90 days old and thus drops off his Transparency Page--and his first hide was March 1.
Uncle Joe
(58,425 posts) pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts) grasswire
(50,130 posts)....so that alerters are identified?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)at least, before even juries came to be.
There is a reason why I do not play in juries or alert for that matter.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I'm one of them. I didn't like the new rules and lack of privacy on DU-3 that I had to agree to ...so held out on DU-2 for a maybe 7 or 8 months.
I wonder if more of us signed up for Jury Service it would be more diversified...but some of us don't have time. I can post here more often because I have a home job..with business...but, not all can these days. But, I just didn't want to be "on call" and wasn't sure I believed the Juries were better than Mods (and, let's face it the Mods got to be somewhat inbred because not all have time for either Juries or Mods to be "on call." So...it's a hard call for Admins who had so much push back about Mod System...so now it's Juries...but many former Mods are now Hosts and do Juries. Where they get the time since 2002 for many is beyond me.
I guess there's no perfect system... and it's "hit or miss." But maybe Term Limits would be an Answer? Much of DU is inbred and I include myself in that since I'm a legacy DU'er since 2001/April I think. But...it's hard to figure where this all goes.
Willy T's other Hides in 90 Days didn't seem Offensive to ME given the stuff I've seen get past Juries and Hosts in the last few months on DU...though. He was hardly a Sock or Troll and I think that HIDE was dreadful by whatever Jury gave him his 5th in 90 Days when it's a reputable site and they could have just PM'd him to Change his Post rather than giving him the "5th." Sounds biased to me... just saying/
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)both seem petty, childish and a tool by people who want to silence the chosen ones. The excuse of community standards is just that. The place has actually gone down hill... but hey, they still get the clicks I guess.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)I mean I'm sure they already do, but they'd just retreat further behind their laundry army.
QC
(26,371 posts)The summer hath a way of bringing them out.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)and on message.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)that jump right into some meta shit, then you look at their profile and it's like: "member since 2002, posts in last 90 days: 1" 
bobduca
(1,763 posts)The alerter is probably on this thread, justifying the hide.
grasswire
(50,130 posts) bobduca
(1,763 posts)nobody feigns offense like the BOG.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the ones who should be ashamed are the ones who defend rightwing republican talking points here at DU.
Do you like this cartoon by the same cartoonist?
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef0163010b6d29970d-800wi
Sorry, rules apply to you guys too
grasswire
(50,130 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)who happened to recognize the cartoon for what it was.
and the jurors and alerter who served the community well in this instance.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)For some reason, it was never implemented,
and gives the Alert Stalkers plenty of darkness in which to hide.
Funny that it is the same small crowd that wants to protect the Surveillance/Security State?
This could be cleared up easily.
BootinUp
(47,194 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)but nearly got a hide myself. It's silly. It's a WaPo cartoon -Obama is speaking at a Cyber Security forum, and suddenly starts speaking Chinese because they hacked his teleprompter and he was able to go on speaking in Chinese.
Saying that the President is intelligent enough to translate languages is suddenly wrong?
proud patriot
(100,715 posts)crap ... needs me some WillyT 
grasswire
(50,130 posts)So send one off to him!
proud patriot
(100,715 posts) pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts) proud patriot
(100,715 posts) 
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)It was about the Chinese language thingie, that's how I took it.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)He was speaking about cyber security and Chinese cyber warfare. And the use of Chinese characters just made it funnier. Maybe I'm just not hypersensitive enough.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)He probably took it the same way we did.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I thought Willy T's was about the Chinese hacking computers. I must be stupid, right?
I haven't seen teleprompter jokes since the Dean campaign, and most of them were here on DU.
Love ya, Willy T.
JI7
(89,274 posts)they are up there with the birth certificate , born in kenya and other crap.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I just sent him a PM, and I am almost afraid to post now anymore.
JI7
(89,274 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)One must make sure they interpret cartoons the right way. Now let the name-calling start.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)But I know for a fact you've had to have heard the teleprompter line because it was a huge source of contention back in the early days of the Obama presidency, with even Sarah Palin mocking him relentlessly for it. Unless you took a sabbatical from any political news between 2009 and 2010, it's impossible for me to believe you didn't hear one comment on the right attacking Obama in regards to his teleprompter - hell, he even made fun of it, as he does with his birth certificate jokes, at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And on how to get our politicians to listen to us.
WillyT never posts stuff that is mean like that. He stands up for what he thinks, but he must have put the same read on it.
I pm'ed him my best wishes. The way things are going I may be the next.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)The right-wing has used it against Obama since his presidency started. Maybe WillyT didn't know - but for a lot of people, that joke, which I outlined earlier in the thread, was offensive - regardless if it was the intention of the cartoonist or not. Should it have been hidden? Eh...I don't know about that. But lord knows I've had my posts hidden. He'll get over it. I did.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Now whenever I post I wait to have my sources discredited, my ideas called right wing, and I have to take it while never alerting.
A lot of people who are great Democrats and long-time posters don't feel so comfortable anymore.
I know I don't.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Like the guy below who has his own things he is afraid to let people see, it might only take one viewing and they would be damned to being shunned by liberals forever. The bulleyistas know how it was before they banded together, so they are sure that would be hell for their victims.
Just fyi - if you start to hear the word infidel in reference to your efforts, which I applaud, btw, make sure you have a fire extinguisher around. That sort of idea tends to spread.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)offensive. Presidents use teleprompters - that's a fact and no big deal. The cartoon was about Chinese hacking.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Just read the archives at DU:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22obama%22+%22teleprompter%22+site%3Ademocraticunderground.com&oq=%22obama%22+%22teleprompter%22+site%3Ademocraticunderground.com&gs_l=serp.3...29166.29511.0.29672.5.5.0.0.0.2.151.482.3j2.5.0.chm_pq_qw%2Chmrde%3D0%2Chmffs%3D10%2Chmffl%3D3...0...1.1.45.serp..5.0.0.j-yahummvtk
It's not some minor attack - it was something they ridiculed him with over the years.
The joke of the cartoon is pretty clear:
1. The Chinese hacking
2. Obama, who has a tendency, in the media's eyes, to rely on the teleprompter, obtusely reads from it even though it's in a language he doesn't know. The suggestion, of course, is that he'll read whatever is put in front of him.
Ever see the movie Anchorman? There is an entire plot point exactly like this - someone hacks the teleprompter and the main character, Ron Burgendy, who is known to over-use the teleprompter, reads it carelessly without even realizing he just told the entire city to go fuck themselves.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)an attack on the president. Obviously, it is about Chinese hackers. Just because some nutballs used teleprompters as an attack doesn't mean the cartoon was an attack. Good God, most political candidates use teleprompters.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)In fact, the cartoonist is a very well known conservative. If you can't see it as an attack, then whatever - but it's clear the cartoon was drawn to attack Obama - as every cartoon Scott Stantis has done that involves Obama has been negative toward the President. He has never done a positive cartoon on the President.
https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=775&q=Scott+Stantis+Obama&oq=Scott+Stantis+Obama&gs_l=img.3...272.1029.0.1141.7.4.0.3.0.0.129.254.0j2.2.0....0...1ac.1.45.img..6.1.128._ubv7Fga8x4
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I have a tendency to shut down once I see too much silliness. So, when they started in on the birth certificate and Kenya bullshit, I tuned out of that stuff altogether. I also get most of my news from DU and don't read every thread. I stay pretty busy IRL. So, I completely missed that RW meme.
Either way, I would not have thought of that cartoon as a right wing joke, because I don't see WillyT as right wing at all and it was clear that is was about Chinese hacking. Hell, the Chinese even "gold farm" in online games and make millions off real players. I don't doubt they might hack a teleprompter. I honestly don't know if Obama can read Chinese either. For all I know, he might be able to. I mean, I wouldn't doubt it if someone did say he could.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Ranging from threads dealing with Palin's criticism of Obama's use of it (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740743) to most recently (as last year), Marco Rubio saying the same thing (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251286732).
Ignorance is not an excuse. It's obvious this is an attack the right uses on the President. Whether you knew about it doesn't change the fact the cartoon could be construed as being along that same line of attack.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)attack being used before, I would not have known. Thanks for telling me though.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)the problem. Presidents have always had comedians and cartoonists poking fun. Yet, you feel it's blasphemy and want to censor expression of speech because a twice elected President has cartoonists doing what they do?
And, you chastise fellow DU'ers who don't constantly monitor cartoonists or writers for their political persuasions? I see stuff posted here on DU all the time from Fox News and I've never watched it. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh on the car radio but I've seen quotes from him here on DU constantly and even a video of him in V&MM here recently.
It seems that you feel Obama needs to be defended from everything that might in any way be construed as criticism. That's a very dangerous road to go down when a President must be protected from Media that you find offensive and only have glowing praise from media you approve of.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Chill out on madfloridian, she actually spends her time on issues affecting our nation instead of dumb jokes and memes.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)Response to JI7 (Reply #81)
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Skittles
(153,193 posts)I very much got the cartoon
Response to madfloridian (Reply #77)
Skittles This message was self-deleted by its author.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)What in the world is happening?
Skittles
(153,193 posts)but it is TRUE
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It's getting toxic here.
kiva
(4,373 posts)Hadn't seen teleprompter joke about Obama, wouldn't have known what the hell the alerter was alerting about. Spending time on RW sites seems to convince some posters that everyone else does too...strange.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it is the job... as a reporter we cover them, period, full stop.
But 20 folks thinking the country is with them is not precisely the country is behind them. But they are convinced that if they give people their truth, we all will understand why RW world is correct. The fire in the belly that was there in 2010 is gone, truly. (At least in my local area, let's clarify)
So when you have people telling you, but, but, it makes you wonder what part of the echo machine they come from?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)a certain half governor hangs at, and Breitbart and Fox and other RW echo machine places.
He is also misconstruing the context of this one... to my relief the US press did cover that. I was thinking I would have to continue to read the Mexican press to find out what is happening in the US (which I actually still do)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)got nothing on the TPP or fracking or net neutrality. All they got is hate. Hate Greenwald, hate Snowden, and hate the left.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)at least in indicating the sympathies of the site's owners?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Creepy mentality, this.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)you may not have seen them if it was when you were visiting the Elm Tree more than DU
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)That's completely ridiculous.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)I've always thought the jury system was a bad idea. The people who voted to hide the cartoon are dumber than a box of rocks.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)They might simply have jumped at the chance to silence someone they disagree with. That's how the palace guard rolls.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)The jury system has contributed to this place turning into something similar to cliques you see in high school. Really sad to see.
QC
(26,371 posts)As for the jury system, it basically took the bullies that were just an annoyance before and made them the de facto admins of the site.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Remember how they used to run around in packs dispensing such junior high witticisms as "You are obviously very concerned" and "You just want a pony," harassing and stalking longtime members until they flamed out and then celebrating their departures with more childish insults?
Ah, memories.
yes...and way back..
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts) madfloridian
(88,117 posts)WillyT is a good Democrat, and I love his posts. 
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)The "5 hides in 90 days" rule is unfair to prolific posters like Willy - very easy for The Swarm to knock them out with a few lucky (for them) jury verdicts.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)
I agree.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)Takin' one for the team!! 
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)K/R
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)It had everything to do with the problem we're facing with Chinese hackers. But it's no surprise the idiots who hid the cartoon have the cognitive skills of a six year old.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)To defend this cartoon, one would have to be either Republican, or have said cognitive skills.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And then it gets hacked. That can be taken just being funny if one does not spend hours on research.
Tired of the name-calling here.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)
pacalo
(24,721 posts)
yellerpup
(12,254 posts)Miss him.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Ol' pal.
yellerpup
(12,254 posts)
quinnox
(20,600 posts)two of them were because he posted a pic of a woman in a bikini. *gasp*
OMG, a woman in a bikini! And not in a head to toe burka, this is unacceptable! (sarcasm)
I swear, sometimes I think the religious right has invaded DU on these topics.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)That's annoying.
Does look like someone is out to get him.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)COMPARE to the Offensive Stuff on DU these days which gets by Juries.
And for such a long time poster (since 2002) to have 5 Post in 90 Days Hidden...sounds like there was something going on there...that maybe needs to be addressed by Admins (hopefully) about what was going down. Maybe Jury Pools are too narrow...(many of us don't serve on Juries because we don't have time) so the pool might be very narrow which could lead to problems. Or maybe we need stronger Host Pools with tougher guidlines?
Some would like Mod System back but that, too, had it's problems in that Mods would stay for long terms and often switch back and forth between Forums and so there could be a certain amount of "insider/group" problems which might develop over the years.
It's a hard call...as to how to deal with it. But, maybe just Juries (if its too small a pool) isn't the answer if one can have 5 Posts in 90 Days which seem to be more like the poster was treated as a Freeper or MRT... when long time DU'ers know that isn't the case with "Willy T."
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)by you don't serve because you don't have time? Because I'm always pressed for time (single mom of 4, in school f/t, p/t job) and yet I have plenty of time for juries. It takes a few minutes to read a post (maybe the thread for context) and decide. If you don't have time right at that moment, you can pass. I only get called every few days anyway, even though I have a 100% chance of serving. It's not like you have to sit and read other posts all day or something. You really should sign up for it. It's a fraction of my DU time.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I did not know it was posted by WillyT or that it would put him in time out. I was trying to be a good juror. DU is high school with cliques, drama etc. I ignore that.
I have absolutely nothing against WillyT but that particular post I found to violate the tos.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)a respectable dude. there are a lot of guileful posters but he isn't one of them
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)WillyT picked a fight with a group that feels totally righteous in purpose and is completely intolerant of what they consider unacceptable behavior. Not smart - it's really best just to not comment at all on gender related threads.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)You're suggesting that posters at Hof are out to "get" him while offering no evidence to support that.
This seems to be nothing but a gratuitous slam on HoF.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)I saw more than one post of theirs on the latest page about it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Can't believe he could have been put on "Time Out" for those OP's.
What the heck is going on here?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)He looked at the cartoon just as I did, as one about the hackers.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)I got jury duty from the teleprompter toon yesterday or whatever day that occurred, I was juror #1 and here was my response....(toon with no explanation)
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I get WillyT, I just think there's a better way to go about it. BTW, there is no way in hell I believe WillyT is a RW Troll, get off it.
Now I wish I'd voted to just leave it the fuck alone.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Act like a freeper, get your posts hidden like a freeper.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I've been here 12 years, WillyT's been here a while. But if that is the consensus of opinion around here, then that's a sign of what's coming.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) Autumn
(45,120 posts) madfloridian
(88,117 posts) madfloridian
(88,117 posts) Autumn
(45,120 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I guess many do however, which makes me one as well.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)No middle ground with that one on any issue. It's agree with them or you're evil.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)deserving of condemnation to hell fire!
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts) This is so getting alerted. woo me with science
(32,139 posts)the Third Way "Democratic" charade as the corporatism it really is...
which is why he must be silenced.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Sucks that this is happening.
Cha
(297,702 posts)machine.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Cha
(297,702 posts)until their last gasp.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)same people who loved it when the president was called a 'piece of shit'
Cha
(297,702 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And try to see both sides.
Oh, wait, that won't work at all, will it.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I am almost afraid to post anymore. I am sure he is too now.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Sorry, couldn't restrain myself.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Those who defend rightwing garbage from a rightwing hack like Scott Stantis are the ones who are out of line and lacking in honor.
Here's the kind of shit folks are defending:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef01539171c727970b-800wi
Same fucking cartoonist, same fucking joke.
It's based on the racist fuckwits' on the right belief that Obama can't be smart enough to say such smart stuff, he needs to be acting them out.
http://www.salon.com/2010/03/30/bud_day/
How tired is that shit? Rush Limbaugh was making teleprompter jokes.
In March 2009.
those defending this shit need to step off and educate themselves, full stop
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)You're offended by one cartoon he posted that was hidden, and he can't post for a time.
That was not enough for you, you are now employing tactics against him implying
racist motives due to the cartoonist and his work, overall.
No one is defending the cartoonist, no one was even talking about his work, it was one
cartoon posted and you're certain you know its meaning and it must be nefarious in nature.
Maybe it is, I didn't see it that way at all, but you don't seem satisfied with the hide.
You seem insistent to bring a racist charge to the issue, and that is what I am taking
issue with regarding Willy, hence my remarks earlier.
NPR had invited two political cartoonists from opposite sides for an interview do you think they would
invite a known racist cartoonist? Do you think the liberal cartoonist would sit quietly
next to a racist cartoonist and speak about the subject of race if he felt that way
about his work?
Transcript
ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:
From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Robert Siegel.
AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:
And I'm Audie Cornish.
Four years ago, a group of people known for being irreverent created some unusually reverent drawings. Editorial cartoonists, the jokes and critiques on hold as they mark the inauguration of the first African-American president. Now, four years later, those same cartoonists are figuring out how to depict Barack Obama's second inauguration. And we asked two of them to join us. Matt Wuerker is editorial cartoonist for Politico, and he's the 2012 recipient of the Pulitzer Prize. Matt, welcome.
MATT WUERKER: Hi.
CORNISH: And Scott Stantis comes to us from the president's adopted hometown, Chicago, where he is editorial cartoonist for the Chicago Tribune. Hi there, Scott.
SCOTT STANTIS: Hey. Thanks for having me.
CORNISH: So to start, I'm going to ask you both to describe your drawings from four years ago. And, Scott, starting with you, you described yourself as a conservative, not exactly an Obama supporter, but you did draw a cartoon - I have the image here - that is honoring the moment. Describe it to me.
http://wgbhnews.org/post/cartoonists-who-cover-obama-four-more-ears
I hope you stop your campaign of educating people on WillyT and Stantis.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)but he fucked up on this one. it happens, lord I know that.
but a lot of people are denouncing this hide as fascism implemented by Obama-worshipping fascist morons
ironically, those same people apparently never heard about rightwing teleprompter jokes.
Stantis used the teleprompter joke because it is a staple amongst rightwing hacks who have nothing more original to contribute (Sarah Palin for example). That much is beyond obvious at this point.
He may not have been trying to use racism (can't speak to that) but there are undertones to it.
those people who were willing to go to the barricades because they were outraged a rightwing got hidden, well, such behavior really speaks for itself.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)He and many others, including myself have a different take on the cartoon, nevertheless
it was hidden. Why you read much more into the responses to defend WillyT is what
I hope you will reconsider because as I said previously, there can be honest disagreements
and leave it at that.
Thank you for the respectful responses.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)most specifically refused to extend that courtesy to those of us who wound up being correct.
allegations of sock puppets being used, calling those who hid it "dumber than a box of rocks", saying it was alerted on by "a denizen of the mire"
one person told those objecting how unsophiticated they were, and how it was so sad that it had to be spelled out for them
etc etc etc
sorry, we mainstream rationalists are not going to be punching bags for the ubersanctimonious crowd who think they know everything.
everything, of course, except the right's affinity for teleprompter jokes or how to read the date on a cartoon (February 2013) or the publication (Chicago Tribune, not WaPo) or how to google the name of an artist
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)in disagreement..and that remains.
I took issue with where you were going with regards to how far off the deep end you
were going with the racial implications toward WillyT. You cleared that up, but seem
to be continuing?
Does fighting get nasty, yea..no one should do it...you included.
However rational you believe your position is, there is room for honest disagreements.
The post was hidden, you won.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I can appreciate that those who thought it was about the recent Chinese cyberwarfare and not a slam on the President did so honestly, but this is from February 2013.
And it is from a rightwing hack who repeatedly has used the teleprompter meme as an attack on the president.
Rightwing source + rightwing meme= rightwing trash.
that's always been the rule.
again, I can see why people thought the cartoon wasn't meant to be a slam.
but they were wrong
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Response to madfloridian (Reply #246)
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hack89
(39,171 posts)It was when we first learned the extent of organized Chinese government hacking against America.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)If a poster wants to post right-wing shit from right-wing cartoonists, Discussionist is over there.
Sid
bobduca
(1,763 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)3 or 4 of those posts were lousy hides. it happens.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)This particular jury went 4-3, but a different jury could easily have gone the other way.
As you know, you go to GD with the jury you have, not the jury you might want or wish to have at a later time.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)rollin' the dice. 
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Keep your head down, sea.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)not really. lol
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)here's some of that cartoonists' other work:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef0163010b6d29970d-800wi
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that one you shared was big enough for me to see.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)a teleprompter joke about the president.
nyuk nyuk nyuk
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)but when i read a couple other posts on his transparency, i thought they were bad hides. this one i left to what he got.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)we all get a few bad ones
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The first response to that cartoon by many of us was that it was about the chinese hackers.
Who in the world would have thought we needed to diagnose all the other cartoons of the cartoonist before having an opinion?
There was no context to warrant that.
There is really a serious problem here now for anyone that even inadvertently says something critical.
It's really out of control.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)read the other thread in GD whining about this cartoonist 'The admins need to clean house..." etc etc
on closer inspection of course this cartoonist appears to be right wing but what they are trying to do is obvious.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)some of these pure "liberals" here. If you don't see everything the way they do you have a target on your back.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)However since I have been of the fav targets of CC and DUmmies through the years,, I doubt I would last long at all. They've done pages on me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I really don't care that much if someone is conservative or liberal as long as they mind their manners. It's why I usually don't hide posts here unless someone is just being an a**hole. In some cases I'd like to hide the whole thread because everyone sinks to that level.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)
JohnnyRingo
(18,649 posts)...posting that would have landed him in trouble with extremists.
JEB
(4,748 posts)over a silly cartoon. As for the insipid teleprompter prater of the RW, I doubt that even they take that seriously. So many politicians of all stripe make use of teleprompters, their petty attacks on the President say more about the attackers.
QC
(26,371 posts)That's been the pattern since the fan club first showed up here six, seven years ago. Nothing new about it. Remember "ALERT AND IGNORE!!!! ALERT AND IGNORE!!1"?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)What a flippin' whinefest.
Rex
(65,616 posts)