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Federal Judge To Wisconsin: You Know 'Traditional' Marriage Was Polygamy, Right?
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In defending their same-sex marriage ban, state officials claimed that "virtually all cultures through time" have recognized marriage "as the union of an opposite-sex couple."
But as U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb wrote in her 88-page ruling on Friday, that's simply not true.
"As an initial matter, defendants and amici have overstated their argument. Throughout history, the most 'traditional' form of marriage has not been between one man and one woman, but between one man and multiple women, which presumably is not a tradition that defendants and amici would like to continue," Crabb wrote in her opinion.
History alone wasn't enough to justify a ban on same-sex marriage, Crabb said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/06/gay-marriage-wisconsin-history_n_5462356.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
spooky3
(34,457 posts)Check out her other rulings, eg separation of church and state. She suffers no fools.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Adam and Eve, were never even legally married. They lived in sin all those years. Shame on them.
dickthegrouch
(3,174 posts)has a somewhat dubious progeny.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)adieu
(1,009 posts)Adam was first married to some woman named Lilith. But she wasn't totally human.
So we got a divorced man, who married a half-human, half-something else, and (I think) he killed her in order to "marry" Eve.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Brothers and Sisters. Maybe Adam also took several of his daughters and grand daughters as wives once he got tired of Eve?
Warpy
(111,270 posts)that morons love to thump, claiming it's divine approval for all their vicious bigotries.
Igel
(35,317 posts)Granted, in any group 80% think they're above average, and most of those think they're in the top 20%.
Then again, all the "channelers" pretty much invariably came out to be kings and queens, not hoi polloi. It's what they know from history. They only read the histories of prominent men.
Given mortality rates, for polygamy to have been the norm you'd have to have 2-3 women for every man.
Then again, if 70% of people think they're in the top 20%, I guess it doesn't surprise me to find that there's somebody who thinks that a nearly 50% to 50% ratio means 30% men and 70% women.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)until the health advances of the last century.
It's very sobering to tour old graveyards in New England. There is usually a big headstone for the man, smaller headstones for the women he married once the last one had died from childbirth, malnutrition, and overwork, and a dozen or more tiny headstones for the children who died, usually before the age of 5. Boys were more fragile than girls, so that 70-30 ratio you cited wasn't unusual.
It's the same for rich men now, only the wives are discarded instead of buried and serial trophy wives don't crank babies out every year, it makes their hips widen and their boobs sag and that means the meal ticket will be on to the next one. Working class men who try serial polygamy need to keep moving to stay one state ahead of being chased down for child support.
vlakitti
(401 posts)So far as I know, perfectly accurate.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)usually the multiple husbands or wives are brothers or sisters. this is the most common form of polygamy, because the spouses would all be related to the offspring, even if not the actual parent. The marriages are most often arranged by parents for the children - there was no choice for the spouses on any side.
The reason for these sorts of marriages is to maintain property within a few families.
Marrying for love is a recent phenomena.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)juris prudence mixed with humor...
Thank you Judge Crabb.
niyad
(113,336 posts)smallcat88
(426 posts)All of that is in the bible! And among the many, many reasons I stopped calling myself a Christian back in my late teens/early twenties.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)dragonlady
(3,577 posts)Judge Crabb was born in 1939 (Wikipedia) so she is at least 74. She went on senior status (partially retired) in 2010. (By the way, this decision is already on her Wikipedia page. They are quick!)
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)It must suck when history doesn't support a narrow minded view.
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)R&
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Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Fricken' religious nutjobs and their will ignorance...