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dsc

(52,162 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:21 PM Jun 2014

Really Arne Duncan?

This is part and parcel of why so many teachers didn't vote for Obama in the primaries.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/10/teachers-tenure-judge-education/10291991/

The USA's two largest teachers unions vowed to challenge a judge's decision Tuesday that declared tenure and other job protections unconstitutional for California teachers. The case could reverberate across the USA as other states look to overhaul their systems for hiring, paying and retaining teachers.

Ruling in a case brought by nine California students, Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Rolf Treu said the current system discriminates against minority and low-income students in K-12 classrooms, saying there was "no dispute that there are a significant number of grossly ineffective teachers currently active in California classrooms."

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The unions' reactions put them at odds with U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan, who said the nine student plaintiffs are "just nine out of millions of young people in America who are disadvantaged by laws, practices and systems that fail to identify and support our best teachers and match them with our neediest students."

Duncan said the ruling "is a mandate to fix these problems." In a statement, he said he hoped the ruling would help "build a new framework for the teaching profession that protects students' rights to equal educational opportunities while providing teachers the support, respect and rewarding careers they deserve."

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Let me be blunt here. Without tenure you won't have gay teachers in small towns, you won't have teachers willing to hold athletes accountable in class, you won't have teachers who stand up to abusive administrators. Teachers will be fired for belonging to the wrong political party, the wrong church, the wrong race, or a host of other ridiculous reasons.

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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
1. Can not teachers be fired after Tenure?
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:25 PM
Jun 2014

Except there has got to be ample reason?

Isn’t that the real point of tenure?

dsc

(52,162 posts)
3. yes
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jun 2014

Now to be fair, I do think giving tenure after only two years might be a bit fast but all tenure is, is due process before one is fired.

TBF

(32,063 posts)
2. They want to break the unions -
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jun 2014

ALL the unions. Schools, post offices, any business out there. We know the result of this because we saw it prior to 1920 - extremely low wages, no job security, child labor, no weekends off, etc.

The only surprise is why people are falling for it.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
5. Yep, that's it.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:37 PM
Jun 2014

Teachers and Postal Service Workers have a big old target on their backs, and neither political party will come to their aid.

Iris

(15,659 posts)
6. Where are "the best teachers" Arne?
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:49 PM
Jun 2014

Do they even exist? Will the exist in the next decade after people like you have made education a field that no self-respecting person would enter.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
7. He hates us for embarrassing him over his new testing scheme
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jun 2014

I'm proud to be from a state and in a union that has been a pain in his ass for the whole road.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
11. This is exactly why I'm an independent and will only vote for candidates who fight this crap.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:32 AM
Jun 2014

Any candidate that hopes to get my vote will have to get rid of Arne Duncan, Race to the Top, Common Core, stop tying federal funding to state test score, and start increasing federal and state funding to public schools. Any candidate unwilling to do these things will not get my vote.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
12. Unions stand in the way of privatizing public education.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:33 AM
Jun 2014

There is a lot of money to be made off the backs of our nation's kids.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
13. Without tenure teachers are at the mercy of students, parents, and principals.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:53 AM
Jun 2014

They can be dismissed if a child says the teacher hurt their feelings. Imagine a staffing for a child with emotional problems whose parents are in denial? Sitting there are the principal, guidance counselor, other specialists and the parents are blaming everything on the teacher.

Without tenure teachers will be afraid to refer students for help, to do anything but breathe in and out.

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