"Spoiler Alert" - 13 fucking keystrokes, yet apparently a request ...

[11 Bravo]

to type them when disclosing athletic contest results, (not declarations of war or other imminent disaster), signifies the end of the internet as a viable news source. And while those 13 keystrokes would appear to be too much for some, those same posters have no issue whatsoever with taking time to issue paragraphs of prose insisting that people who for work reasons, or whatever-the-fuck reasons, can't view an event live but would still prefer to view it without knowing the final outcome should go piss up a rope. Because ... FREEDOM ... or something.
Well, shit. If it means that much to you, go for it. The fact that Dick Cheney walks freely among us, and Michelle Bachmann is allowed in public off-leash, and Ann Coulter gets paid to say the shit she says is proof positive that being an asshole is not a disqualifier for participating in the American experience.
As for me, I'll continue to waste the five seconds or so it requires me to make those 13 fucking keystrokes.

[frazzled]

1. Isn't that "censorship"?

I mean, all we've seen here all week are purposefully foul-mouthed rallying cries against "censorship" for any kind of language people want to use, whether hurtful to others or not. And really, it was just people asking to please be sensitive to the feelings of others.

So (given that I don't give a rat's ass about soccer, and because I already heard the result of the game at the time it happened, because the spouse was watching it in the other room), I say ... if people want to goddamn well post the results of some sporting event in the header of their threads, that is their right as red-blooded Americans under the Constitution of the United States!! Free Speech, pip pip, and all that rot!!

Goose, meet gander. And have a nice day!

[redqueen]

14. I would have thought the whining about spoiler alerts BECAUSE FREEDOM

would be coming from the same people who whined about not being able to use bigoted insults against rightwingers.

Interesting.

[BainsBane]

63. No, because ultimately it is about the self

over others. No one really belives in no censorship or self-censorship whatsoever. Rather, they want to say what they want and have censored that which bothers them.

I actually agree that courtesy suggests not putting spoilers in subject lines, but that isn't going to stop me from pointing out the irony in the OP advocating for censorship or restraint in situations he cares about while insisting that freedom demands free use of bigoted slurs.

[BainsBane]

26. touche

And using an argument about courtesy?

[geek tragedy]

2. So, dropping the c-bomb is okay

in a thread title but a soccer score isn't?

Sorry, no, freedom of speech and all that.

[11 Bravo]

4. The c-bomb you appear to be unable to wrap your head around is "context".

Now, please, go try and hi-jack another thread.

[geek tragedy]

6. no, I'm noting that some people believe courtesy and respect

is a one-way street

Some people really, really don't want to see the c-bomb used here, ever, especially in thread titles. But you did not care about that, and you were not censored, so it would really behoove you to not whine about people who discuss factual matters in thread titles in completely non-offensive language.

no one has any obligation to help keep other people ignorant

[BainsBane]

29. You don't get to play that double-standard without beng called on it.

And no one is going anywhere. Your context was perfectly clear, and you accomplished exactly what you set out to do.

The soccer game included a context too. The game was over. Deal with it.

What you mean is you should be able to say anything no matter how offensive, but the rest of us can't say something far more innocuous because what mattters is YOU.

[Liberal Veteran]

3. At least there were no nipples. - nt

[edhopper]

5. It's almost as bad

as people who read the Game of Thrones books and telling you what will happen to a character.

It is incredibly impolite and unthinking.

[arcane1]

10. DUers don't do "polite" anymore. It's all libertarian personal responsibility crap.

[tammywammy]

7. With sports it's just common courtesy.

It's internet 101 courtesy. The outrage pity party over it is ridiculous.

[1000words]

9. It is, indeed.

Go anywhere ... everywhere on the net, and it is understood.

[tammywammy]

12. I put it with "trigger warning", "graphic", and "NSFW".

I can't believe people on DU are so freaking twisted over people asking for basic internet common courtesy.

[Alex P Notkeaton]

19. "internet common courtesy"

Ranks right up there with "military intelligence" and "reality TV."

[redqueen]

22. Welcome to DU.

[Alex P Notkeaton]

27. Thank you

[BainsBane]

50. Funny how Yahoo and Google don't abide by that

Or any news organizations. In fact, it's pretty hard to aviod seeing a score of a game that receives this sort of attention.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

64. I have an honest question.

At what point is it OK to post the score of some past played sport, 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month?
Since it is "understood" I would like to know.

[dbackjon]

66. That is my question

At what point is it no longer "Spoiling"



Do I need to put spoiler around the fact that say, Smaug is killed in the Hobbit?


That Seattle won the Super Bowl?

That the US tied Portugal?



What are the guidelines to please those that can surf the internet but not watch the game?


Stay off the net if you don't want to know an athletic score shown LIVE on US TV

[1000words]

72. It's a good question, and frankly I can't answer with complete confidence:

Mostly the courtesy is extended to those working, so the default would be until they have time to come home to view it for themselves. For international sporting events, time zone changes play a big factor. What I do know, is real-time updates are an absolute no-no.

[BainsBane]

35. common courtesty also includes

Not using bigoted langauge, yet that, we are told, is censorship.

[tammywammy]

37. Not by me you haven't.

[BainsBane]

39. No, by the OP

That is why he is getting such pushback.

[tammywammy]

43. I'm not sure why you're posting this to me.

I haven't commented on any push back nor have I said whatever it was the OP said in some other thread I don't even know about. I don't know what your history with the OP is and I don't care either. I find your posts to me irrelevant to what I've posted here.

[BainsBane]

48. They are relevant to the subject

You are posting in a thread. if you think your posts should exist in some vacuum absent the rest of the discussion in the thread, I'll refrain from trying to engage you in the future. I guess I assumed you might have glanced over the rest of the thread or cared about the broader issues just about everyone but you is discussing in this thread. My mistake. I won't repeat it.

[alarimer]

47. No, it's not. Get off the internet if you don't want to know what happens in a real-time event

It's really, really stupid to think you can avoid hearing the results of a game that is happening while you are online.

Also NPR and every other news outlet will have the results as it is happening.

If you don't want to be spoiled (about anything, but especially a real-time event), it is up to you, not anyone else. Get off the internet. Simple.

[Beaverhausen]

52. How about those watching get off the internet?

And again, 13 simple keystrokes. Why is that so hard to do?

[geek tragedy]

54. because people don't want to censor themselves in order

to help others maintain their self-imposed ignorance of real world events.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

57. How long is one supposed to keep that up and under what circumstances?

The soccer match was aired live. It's not like it was blacked out to be run in prime time like the Olympics. Am I supposed to not talk about the Super Bowl for at least 24 hours lest someone recorded it and wants to watch it at 10 the next morning?

If I REALLY wanted to avoid sports spoilers, I would not get on the internet. Hell, I'd probably hide in a cave. Because chances are even walking into a bar or cafe, a department store....anywhere....I'm going to accidentally run into the score.

I don't know. I've never been one of those guys who records a sport and doesn't "want to know" until I get home. To me it's pointless. It happened, and it's done. It's not like a movie or tv show.

[kcr]

68. I think it's pretty safe to say that right after the event is over is spoiling

I watch events live too, but my schedule allows that. The recorded version looks exactly the same as the live event it recorded, so watching it if you don't know the outcome is no different than watching it live. Plus there are events that don't provide live coverage due to time zone differences. The same arguments against those spoiler warnings were used then, too. It's rationalizing inconsiderate behavior.

[Michigander_Life]

8. I got ya beat

I got shit on for alerting on post because the poster refused to put NSFW on nudity. 4 characters.

[ColesCountyDem]

17. I got YOU beat!

I alerted on a current post devoted to whining about being asked to provide spoiler alerts and had a JUROR say I was lucky that DU rules didn't allow for the banning of people for 'stupid alerts'.

[Michigander_Life]

20. SMH

[ColesCountyDem]

25. Exactly my reaction!

[geek tragedy]

32. And your alert failed miserably, 1-6.

[ColesCountyDem]

33. I'd do it again!

Asshattery is still asshatery, and doesn't rely upon a majority vote for validation.

[geek tragedy]

34. or maybe your alert was not a good one.

given that you were alerting out of disagreement

[ColesCountyDem]

38. I'll be doing the same.

I'm also going to figure out some clearly flame bait post to make later, since it's clearly permitted now.

[geek tragedy]

40. if the observation that sports scores appear in real time on the internet

is your idea of flamebait, not sure how you've survived the Internet this long

[ColesCountyDem]

42. It was 'an observation', it was a a rude and childish post.

"I'll post whatever I want to, and no one can stop me".

[geek tragedy]

44. sorry you are offended by the notion that people on a discussion

board feel free to discuss real life events in their subject titles.

Perhaps you should also write to the Huffington Post, CNN, NY Times, USA Today, and other online publications to complain about their discourtesty in reporting sports scores.

[ColesCountyDem]

69. No thanks. I'll stay here and remain courteous and civil.

Asshattery has never been one of my strengths.

[geek tragedy]

70. No comment. nt

[ColesCountyDem]

71. Silence is golden. n/t

[tkmorris]

11. Well said 11 Bravo. "Because FREEDOM or something..."

I really will never understand people who think being rude on the internet is some sort of God-given right.

[GusBob]

13. People who use spoiler alert are simply considerate people

I get a rueful kick out of the people who say: well it's common sense to stay off the Internet during events you don't spoiled ( because some rude asshole jerk is going to try and ruin your fun)

Which simply means: stay off the Internet it's full of rudeness. BTW , " Introducing Discussionist! A assholery on steroids!

[morningfog]

15. NSFW SPOILER ALERT BREAKING NEWS --headline within

[neverforget]

16. All this over finding out the score of a GAME.

Excuse me while I don't care.

[Duppers]

18. +1

[tkmorris]

28. It's actually about people being rude

It's a principal thing.

[neverforget]

46. I see it as self-control. If you don't want to find out the score of a game, keep the

radio and tv off and don't browse the internet.

[Trust Buster]

21. I would like to respectfully suggest that you get a life..should I have included a "spoiler alert" ?

[Sheldon Cooper]

23. Coming from you, this is absolutely fucking rich.

[BainsBane]

31. But . . . but

This is more important because cause HE is upset. The other subject was only about insulting more than half of the population on the planet, which is inconsequential compared to the OP.

[Sheldon Cooper]

41. But Bains, our concerns are NOTHING when compared to a soccer game.

A fucking soccer game.

Defiantly throw around the c-word? No problem. Force me to find out the results of a soccer game before I'm ready to hear them?

[11 Bravo]

36. The day may eventually come when I care about the opinion of someone ...

who has adopted the persona of an asexual, socially inept, character from a television sitcom. But it's not today.
Now, please proceed, Sheldon. Perhaps the rest of the swarm needs to be alerted as well.
(Because, as of yet, the entire thrust of the OP hasn't quite been lost.)

And QUICK, one of the crew needs to alert on the use of the word "asexual"; because although it's an intrinsic trait of the character you've adopted, you might always get lucky with a jury!

[BainsBane]

49. Perhaps if you refrained from insulting people

because they point out the obvious, you wouldn't have to worry about juries?

[In_The_Wind]

60. The jury voted 3-4 to Leave It

6:17 PM
Automated Message
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:01 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The day may eventually come when I care about the opinion of someone ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5155647

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Wow, not only insulting but a strangely phobic comment about someone's sexuality.
Not only that, he refers to the insulting term of "swarm" to talk about the fact that feminists as well as other DUers are calling him on his own double-standard (about which the thread makes clear).

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:17 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: derp
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with you on spoilers but you don't follow rude with rude. And this is very rude.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Looks like Sheldon and 11Bravo are in a spat. Get a room, you two. The sexual tension between you two needs to come t an end.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the alerted post is fine; the poster is expressing his opinion. Let it stand.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MADem]

78. Yeah, because someone with a user name that suggests "Infantryman" is oh so much more ... manly?

Oh wait--the Army has spoiled your fun by going gender neutral on all that stuff now! Darn the bad luck!

Who gives a shit what someone's user name is, and what a lame argument--

My username is better than YOUR username!!!!!

Really? That's all you've got?

[MadrasT]

86. As insults go,

that one is covered in weak sauce.

[MADem]

24. I think, if you don't want to know the latest news, it's probably a good idea to stay off of the

computer.

And specifically, I would recommend that you stay off sites that specialize in "Latest Breaking News" and discussions about news stories.

Sorry--I can't get all excited about "spoiler alert" warnings or even "NSFW" warnings (if you're at work you shouldn't be farting around on the computer, you should be working).

But that's JMO and YMMV.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

75. I don't have a dog in this fight but I seem to remember skinner basically threatening...

... someone's membership over repeatedly posting Olympics spoilers.

[MADem]

77. Well the Olympics was a bit of a different situation--it was happening in a totally different

timezone, over many days, with many varied contests and events, and the networks and news outlets weren't posting the results and touting them on the TV and radio as they happened.

There were viewing parties (LIVE television) for the soccer game all over the US--that wasn't the case with the Olympics. You could watch some live Olympic shit online but NBC was consolidating the stuff and playing it on tape delay for the average schmucks here.

I don't think the comparison is really apt; that said, if I were determined to avoid learning the results of the soccer game, I'd avoid the internet entirely to say nothing of radio and television. Even the wrong sort of home page could give it away. And I'd avoid crowds, too--no going into Starbucks just in case someone was talking about the game results...!

[kcr]

87. Actually the networks often did, without warning, and it drove me crazy

Even the networks that eventually showed the coverage which made no sense to me.

[MADem]

88. Every time I saw Olympic results on news they'd say "Turn down your volume if you don't want to

know..."

But that was a different situation--those contests were not shown live on American TV.

The soccer match was.

I don't expect people to keep the Red Sox scores a secret from me if I missed the game...I just think that expectation is kind of childish, frankly.

[kcr]

89. Yes, some do that. But not all.

Word Cup is every four years. Comparing a World Cup event, particularly one that determines whether the nation's team will advance, does not compare to the scores of a regular season game of a regional team. Far more people are interested and watching that one event compared to a Red Sox game. Being spoiled on a once in four years world event is a bigger deal. But if I were in a forum that asked me not to posts Red Sox scores in the headlines, I'd comply there, too, because why not? It's not like being asked to take a day off to help someone move. It's effortless. It's far more childish to insist on spoiling.

[BainsBane]

30. rec'ing because

double-standards should be exposed.

[madinmaryland]

45. If you don't want spoilers, then get off the internets..,

RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!

[skepticscott]

51. So you couldn't put your internet use on hold for a few hours?

Is your existence so empty without being connected and in touch every minute of every day that you'd just shrivel up and die without getting your internet fix every few minutes?

Stop ragging on other people and get a life.

[neverforget]

53. It's up to us to make sure they don't click on a thread.

or something

[kcr]

76. You don't have to click on the thread, they're posting it right in the headline

But the right to be rude on a message board is enshrined in the Constitution, apparently. But not criticizing said behavior and calling for people to consider others, of course.

[neverforget]

81. Spoiler Alert!

The Internet is full of rude people! Even here! I think your expectations are a tad high.

[kcr]

82. No, I fully expect this will happen

I just don't justify the behavior. The internet being full of rude people doesn't mean it's okay to be rude.

[neverforget]

84. you can't control other people's behavior but

it's fine to call them out as you have. I just think this is a bunch of sturm und drang about nothing. It's a game. Not a big deal IMO.

[kcr]

85. Well, on DU you can get their posts hidden

But generally speaking, no, you can't control other people's behavior. But again, that's not a justification for the behavior. Not tolerating rude behavior isn't controlling. The rude person can go someplace where it's more tolerated if they don't like the heat.

[redqueen]

55. This used to be uncontroversial here.

Same with 'NSFW' tags.

This place sure has changed.and not for the better.

[11 Bravo]

56. Agreed. That was kind of the intent of the OP. But as you can see ...

there's no such thing as a thread which somebody won't attempt to derail.

[BainsBane]

62. Pointing out the irony in your championing censorship

In this case while decrying it when it comes to bigoted slurs is not derailing. It is pointing out the obvious.
You don't want to be confronted with your own double-standards. You insist on common courtesy about sports scores but refuse to grant that same courtesy to the great swaths of the populating targeted in the bigoted language you insisted should not be "censored" by juries. That you see your own feelings as more important than those of the large segments of the population targeted by hateful slurs is revealing but not surprising.

[tammywammy]

59. Thank you.

At least I'm not the only one that thought this used to be the norm.

[redqueen]

61. What's amazing is seeing people posting movie spoilers as well.

I mean WTF.. So random, childish, and just plain shitty just for the sake of being shitty.

[Beaverhausen]

67. + 1000

this place has changed for the worse in SOOOOO many ways. Sad.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

58. TITANIC!!! THE BOAT SINKS

He does, however, draw her like one of his French girls.

[MADem]

79. How DARE you!!!!!!!!! (Pointing finger, trembling hand.....) HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!

Seriously.....



Thanks for the laugh....!

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Except we have been doing soccer matches for now over a decade

without them.

At times all 90 minutes of regulation plus added time, or OT.

You must have missed the FINAL four years ago.

No matter, I will stick to Twitter from now on, and call all breaking news SPOILER ALERT, in fact, all of my OPS will have that warning now.

[Brother Buzz]

91. No, you proved we didn't use spoilers in the OP's you linked to in this thread because....

there were no spoilers. It's not rocket surgery.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025156161

[Jenoch]

73. "Spoiler Alert"

is 15 effin' keystrokes.

[SidDithers]

74. When one treats DU as their own personal twitter account...

it's no surprise that common courtesy for other DUer's isn't high on the list of priorities.

And Oh, The DRAMA!! when someone gets a post hidden.

Thanks for the spoiler alert on your thread earlier today.

Sid

[tammywammy]

83. The over reaction drama is nuts.

Nadin got a second hidden post, so I expect the temper tantrum will last longer than normal.

[neverforget]

90. and getting pissed off about finding out the score of a game

is overly dramatic too. Wah! I found out the score of a soccer game! Wah! With all the shit going on in the world, this is what gets people riled up?

[tritsofme]

80. You shouldn't expect to stroll through the internet without being hit with information

about live sporting events, especially occurring in this hemisphere. That's just the internet.

I've never seen this silliness around the Super Bowl score.