Was the Trayvon killing a muder in cold blood? From listening to the calls for HELP...like for a

[opihimoimoi]

minute.....then we hear a shot....

Zimmer shot Trayvon in cold blood....in a panic? Nope....Not in my mind...

Listen to Trayvons screams....he was in danger...fearing for his life..and Zimmer

for whatever reason,

Shot Trayvon in cold blood..

ZIMMER SHOULD BE IN THE SLAMMER

[madokie]

1. Locked away never to see sunlight again

[Solomon]

2. This case really isnt difficult. But the victim was black.

That changes everything.

[VWolf]

4. Bingo. n/t

[Fawke Em]

3. I read yesterday that Trayvon had a tear on his cheek

in the death photo they showed his dad to confirm his identity.

I didn't know people cried when they were beating the crap out of stalking security-guard wannabes.

is right.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

9. !

oh god...as if this weren't tragic enough.

he was just a little kid.....

[PotatoChip]

11. The more details I hear,

the more sad (and infuriated) I become.

I read just the other day that poor Sabrina Fulton had to leave the room when she heard her son's terrified screams on the 911 tape for the first time. As a parent myself, I can't imagine the pain of all of this. Hearing your child's last moments on tape, or seeing in a picture of him with a tear on his cheek. My heart literally aches for this family.

Yet, Zimmerman is still a free man. Unbelievable.

[abelenkpe]

15. +1000

Why Zimmerman is still free is beyond me. If I lived in Sanford I would be livid that a murderer is still walking about. How long before that racist lying POS stalks another kid and shoots him down for no reason at all?

[aquart]

31. Walking about with his gun, right?

[LaydeeBug]

5. In the time between the calls and the sot, I'll tell you what Zimmerman was doing. He was AIMING.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

10. exactly. He was doing something else, too, I'll bet:

Grinning.

[LaydeeBug]

25. I'm with you. nt

[12AngryBorneoWildmen]

6. Topic should be front page everyday.

[Ninga]

7. I'm with you.

[Sancho]

8. I can imagine what happened...

Zimmerman was following in his car; Trayvon saw he was being followed and was scared.

Trayvon cut down between the buildings where a car could not follow; Zimmerman got out and went after him so he wouldn't "get away".

Zimmerman tried to stop Trayvon and hold him for the police or make a "citizen's arrest"; Trayvon started yelling for help and fighting to get loose.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon and called his Dad the judge who told him what to say; and the judge immediately talked to the sheriff and DA.

The cops knew Zimmerman and got their orders from above to cover up and let him go.

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I'd love to see Zimmerman's cell phone records (and his Dad's phone records) from that night.

[Cosmocat]

12. He executed the kid

it is pretty plain.

Just a real shame that because the morons down there decided to try to cover for Zimmerman, a major moron, it now has turned into a political sideshow like the Terri Shivo situation.

I don't get where people try to cover this kind of crape up for a douchebag like this. It is like PSU and Sandusky. How did these people think this was going to turn out?

[GETPLANING]

17. Sounds exactly right

[Solomon]

19. Agreed. I believe thats what happened too.

[Pachamama]

13. If a person closes their eyes and just listens to the recording, you hear the terror in those cries.

They are pleas with fear. There is a shuddering and cracking in the voice. A terror and desperation. A cry for help. Its the voice of someone who fears for their life and is scared.

As I Mom, I heard a scared child terrified and begging for help. Not an aggressor (child or adult) yelling our as they beat someone aggressively or getting ready to shoot someone.

Its unmistakeable. i will find it impossible to believe that is Zimmerman yelling for help.

I pray that it wll be proven in a court of law with experts on voice data.

[abelenkpe]

14. I agree

Feel like calling the Sanford police everyday until Zimmermans arrested: Hey Sanford there's an armed murderer on the loose. WTF?!

[GETPLANING]

16. I believe it was an act of cowardice

Zimmerman apparently tried to "apprehend" Trayvon Martin, who was a fit young athlete.

When Zimmerman was about to get his ass kicked by this 17 year old boy, he panicked and shot him.

I also believe that although the wheels of justice are barely moving, they are moving, and Zimmerman will be charged.

[opihimoimoi]

18. Trayvon was screaming for help ....for about a minute....then a shot....then silence...

Zimmerman is guilty as hell...he should be in the slammer

[NOLALady]

23. Really?

Zimmerman looked pretty fit to me. Plus he was heavier than the child.

[BeHereNow]

20. A "murder?" Looks that way, a "Muder?" no, edit your subjsect line. LOL

Just sayin'
BHN
On Edit: I just had to edit my subject line for a typo too! Eyes aren't what they used to be...

[fascisthunter]

21. I Don't Know... maybe we need a "professor" to tell us what to think

[Occulus]

26. !

[got root]

22. sure sounds that way

not to mention all the other evidence that I've heard so far...

[shimonitanegi]

24. Don't jump to conclusions before probe results are out

We don't know for sure that the wailing voice heard on the 911 call was Martin's. (even though two audio experts said it wasn't Zimmerman's.)

[opihimoimoi]

27. His mama said it was her son Treyvon.....

[Kaleva]

28. One couldn't rule out Zimmerman completely.

He said there was only a 48% chance that it is Zimmeran.

"Federal Rule of Evidence 901(b)(5) states that: "Voice identification is adequate if made by a witness having sufficient familiarity with the speaker's voice."

http://expertpages.com/news/sound_recordings_evidence.htm

Since there appears to be no recordings of Trayvon's voice to compare to, no expert can testify in court that the screaming and calls for help is from Trayvon. As for Zimmerman, even a 50/50 probability that the wailing voice is his is better then nothing.

[Vattel]

35. He didn't say that it was a 48% chance that it was Zimmerman.

He said there was a 48% match between Zimmerman's voice and the voice screaming in the background during the 911 call.

Adding on edit: He said that it was virtually certain (he used the term "scientific certainty&quot that it was not Zimmerman's voice.

[Kaleva]

36. But that still leaves open the door for doubt.

""As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-911-20120331_1_voice-identification-expert-reasonable-scientific-certainty

Unable to say with 'reasonable scientific certainty' that the voice is Trayvon's, I imagine Zimmerman's lawyers will attack this.

[Vattel]

37. I would hope that it will be clear to anyone on a jury

that if the voice wasn't Zimmerman's then it must have been Martin's. Keep in mind that the burden of proof is on the person claiming self-defense. It will be difficult for Zimmerman to meet that burden if it is established that the voice was not his.

[Kaleva]

38. It's my understanding that SYG places the burden on the state

The state has to show that a person isn't covered by SYG before he can even be arrested. In a previous case, the police arrested a person for what appeared to be an obvious homicide. He was brought to trial but the judge threw the case out; citing the SYG law as the reason for his action.

[Vattel]

39. I have read that the Florida Courts are struggling with that issue.

The problem is that the law as formulated provides for immunity from prosecution if the stand your ground law applies. That can be taken to imply that a judge must dismiss charges against the defendant if the prosecution cannot show that the evidence favors the conclusion that the defendant's actions did not meet the definition of justifiable self-defense. Still, no one is saying that the prosecution must prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. If the defendant cannot show that evidence favors the conclusion that his actions met the definition of justifiable self-defense, then he is in trouble, Florida law notwithstanding.

[loyalsister]

34. These audio enhancements are a problem

There should not be several roaming around. How many will a jury have to listen to, then weigh the percentages of each one, and finally decide who they are hearing? That really is a lot to ask. I find the sensationalization to be a real perversion of our justice system.
I wish the leaked evidence would have been limited to the basic circumstances that inspired outrage and led to a more thorough investigation. The evidence they now have seems to me to be polluted by too many outside opinions and self interested interpretations. My own is that Trayvon Martin was unjustly killed and the SYG law degraded what should have been an investigation with some reservation of judgement once the self defense argument was asserted.

[rufus dog]

29. Using logic

It is hard to figure how this is anything else than an execution/murder. Unfortunately the cover up by the PD will drop the available charge to Manslaughter. My only hope:

1. The DOJ rips the Sanford PD a new one
2. Trayvon's parents win a massive lawsuit against the home owner's association

[opihimoimoi]

32. Its my hope also....both counts.... :o)

[WillyT]

30. K & R !!!

[Sancho]

33. I think that in FL any conviction involving a firearm = years in prison...

If Zimmerman is guilty of any crime: manslaughter, assault, etc...then there will likely be a mandatory and lengthy jail sentence.

[opihimoimoi]

40. I hope so....his behavior has been dispicable so far....his story don't add up....