Horrifying New Details On the 'Viral' Rape of 16-Year-Old Jada

[BainsBane]

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Over the last few days, the stomach-churning story of Jada — a 16-year-old girl whose rape was recorded and then shared and mocked on social media — has shown up everywhere. Now, it Jada's mother and a family spokesperson are claiming that Jada's far from the only girl victimized by the people who allegedly drugged and raped her. And one other girl may soon be coming forward.

In an exclusive interview with Ronan Farrow, Jada's mother Sukieda and family spokesperson Quanell X give further details in the case that is starting to share disgusting elements with other stories that have made news in recent months.

According to Quanell X, even though the police are investigation the alleged drugging and sexual assault of Jada, supporters of the perpetrators are continuing to cyberbully the girl. Furthermore, a Houston-area rap artist has already written a song that riffs on the #jadapose hashtag, a sick trend where social media users would post pictures of themselves bottomless and posed as a passed-out Jada was in the photos passed around by her alleged rapists.

But it gets worse.

Now, we come to find out, as of yesterday, in doing further investigation into this case, it's not just Jada. There are other young girls who they've been posting pictures online having sex with these young girls also who are comatose and obviously unconscious. And so the police now are putting out a call to identify who are all these young girls who these videos and pictures by these alleged perpetrators are out there online and they're having sex with these girls who are obviously unconscious.

The spokesman says that one of Jada's friends was victimized the same night that Jada was, and that she's now attending counseling. A police investigation is ongoing.

Video at link: http://jezebel.com/horrifying-new-details-on-the-viral-rape-of-16-year-old-1603719252?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[angstlessk]

1. When and HOW did rape become not only acceptable

but nourished??? I think I recall that if you went to prison for rape the inmates would hate you (and worse)...now you are a hero?????????????

[BainsBane]

3. The internet and Social media have made it worse

in that it's easier to spread pictures and word of the assault, but the rape culture that emboldens rapists to behave that way has been in place for some time. Only now they aren't limited by word of mouth.

[angstlessk]

4. Are you telling me, what I used to believe...

that killers and thieves hated rapists... is a lie?

[BainsBane]

5. I don't know about that

I'm saying that rapists have been behaving brazenly for a long time, and sexually assaulted women have been shamed for a long time.

I thought those sorts of standards among criminals had to do with child rape.

[angstlessk]

6. I get it....if you know your rapist...it's not rape

I consider anyone who would rape a comatose woman to be a necrophiliac..and SAY EVERY TIME AN UNCONSCIOUS WOMAN IS RAPED...BY A NECROPHILIAC ( I know this is an incomplete sentence, but it is a complete thought)

[TorchTheWitch]

81. sorry, as a victim this disgusts me

I was certainly no corpse when I was unconscious. At least a dead body will never know it's been raped. Pretty much the same thing as raping a chair. It would certainly be a desecration by family or friends of the deceased person, but the corpse itself is just a "thing".

Calling rapists of unconscious people necrophiliacs is a punch in the face to us victims. Being unconscious doesn't make one a corpse, for God's sake.

[angstlessk]

172. It's not about you...it is about someone who would rape

an unconscious person..I want to further disgrace them by calling them necrophiliacs...not to disgrace the victim

[Squinch]

176. But one of those victims you don't want to disgrace is telling you she objects to that.

It isn't about YOU. Listen to the person who had the experience.

[BainsBane]

186. Wise words

For so many circumstances.

[joeglow3]

183. I don't think you "get it"

I don't see where their response led you to come to the conclusion you came to (not even close).

[angstlessk]

184. I do say call any man who rapes an unconscious woman a necrophiliac

case closed

[joeglow3]

185. That is not what I responding to

The title of your post was "I get it....if you know your rapist...it's not rape"

Where the prior poster say anything close to that?

[justiceischeap]

32. I've always heard other inmates hate baby rapists

not rapists in general. I would imagine there are some inmates that do have great respect for women that don't like rapists but it's mostly child rapists that get the threats.

[TorchTheWitch]

80. no idea what led you to believe that

Never been true.

[YarnAddict]

10. It has not become more "acceptable"

If anything, as a society, we are far less accepting of sexual assault.

Many years ago, when I was in college, I knew several young women who got drunk and passed out in guys' rooms and were raped. In every case, the womam blamed herself. didn't report it. Carried the guilt with her, maybe to this day.

There was a time that college administrators wouldn't deal with that situation at all. There was a "well, she was asking for it" attitude that was so entrenched we were willing to blame the victim.

So--no. Rape is no more acceptable than it ever has been. If it seems so, it is only because of cellphone cameras and social media. I can guarantee that the perpetrators of this rape--and probably many of the people who passed those pictures along--will be brought to justice.

[historylovr]

24. Well, they don't seem to be dealing with it now.

Rape is covered up, hushed up, either to keep the school's "good reputation" in tact or to keep the star player on the sports team, and women at "Christian" colleges are told they just have to forgive their attackers and look at what they did to provoke said attacks.

And kids treating rape as a party game, attacking girls, standing around taking pictures and cheering while the attack is going on? If that's not looking at this crime as acceptable, I don't know what is. Justice? How many people went to jail in Steubenville? And even that was a token sentence, it was so pathetically light. But oh, those poor boys whose futures were destroyed.

[YarnAddict]

36. Males will never

understand about rape. That's why it's a "party game." It's been like that forever, and will never change. You will never convince them otherwise, any more than you could convince a bunch of psychopaths that serial killing is wrong.

What is really needed, and I think has largely happened, is that women need to be convinced that there is never any excuse--being drunk, the clothes they wear, the men they choose to be around--that makes them any less a victim of a horrible, violent crime.

I also think that in most instances administrators, prosecutors, and judges are now also understanding that. Granted, not every reported rape will be prosecuted, because often there is a lack of evidence. That is a separate issue.

[Comrade Grumpy]

41. Really? "Males will never understand rape." That's a pretty broad brush you're waving around.

And bonus points for comparing men to psychopathic serial killers.

[YarnAddict]

45. Thanks for the points!!!

Years ago I was in a store and the owner was bitching about some vandalism, a car, or graffiti, or some stupid crap. don't remember, not important. But--I will never forget him trying to explain how pointless it was by comparing it to rape. "I can understand rape," he said, "because men get something out of that, but what do they get out of wrecking someone else's stuff?" Disturbing to say the least.

Men can understand that rape is wrong, but they can never understand what it means to a woman.

[uppityperson]

46. Do you discount men being raped?

Too many men do not understand, but I would not go so far as to say "no man can know" what rape means to the victim.

[YarnAddict]

48. Oops!

Yup. I think many of us occasionally forget that happens.

[tymorial]

113. So you discount men who are raped?

As a male rape victim, it is that "forgetting" and society's general willful ignorance and acceptence of gender expectations/stereotype which forces us to remain silent victims for fear of shaming, hate and disgust. Thank you for validating what I already know; I'm an other.

[seabeyond]

51. this was the obvious. a lot of our boys. some of our men. nt

[BainsBane]

110. Not all men, or perhaps even most

but the ones who consistently work to diminish the experience of rape are actively engaged in perpetuating rape culture. That certainly includes judges who make excuses for these guys.

[hughee99]

42. Wow. Someone needs to tell these guys they're wasting their time...

Of course, they are males, so they probably won't understand that either.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/04/30/obama_anti_rape_psa_daniel_craig_steve_carell_seth_meyers_and_benicio_del.html

[seabeyond]

43. i left it to men to challenge. thrilled to see two. nt

[freshwest]

105. Gang rape is now a sporting event to prove who is the boldest or most virile.

The fact that it is one of the greatest violations of a person is of no matter...

That it reduces her to nothing more than a THING thrills them...

Or maybe that's why they love doing it.

Yes, I'm saying that... They LOVE IT.

Or they wouldn't commit these acts with so much glee and pride, then keep on showing off having done so.

I don't think they can be rehabilitated. Something is irreparably broken.

[seabeyond]

107. it is a popular porn our boys are being raised on. real or simulated doesnt matter. nt

[freshwest]

120. But it *does* matter to victims... The line is being crossed... Fantasies become reality.

[seabeyond]

123. it stimulates a want, it validates a behavior. and some is real rape our boys

are getting off on. rape put on the next. assuming stimulated, as if they care. rape is rape. simulated to be real, or real, for their mind, it is rape.

[Stargazer99]

181. You NAILED it......listen people

that is what is sick in our culture

[geek tragedy]

149. Men are taught to be rapists, they are not born with such behavior. nt

[Aerows]

156. The only way men will ever understand rape

is if they think about a woman accosting them in the night, chops their balls off and cuts their penis to one inch. They will have no pleasure in the act.

It is what happens when you force women that aren't interested, especially young women. Because you saddle her with a child, too, which makes her financial situation unbearable. By the time she has her head above water, she's told she's a slut, a piece of shit, and has nothing. About what a man would suffer if he was castrated and clipped. Manhood removed. You do that to a woman in this society, and you remove her womanhood, her pride and everything about her.

Think about it.

[seabeyond]

26. our girls may understand it is rape, but it has not preogressed yet to the men, courts, judges and

cops. which is mostly... oh, men.

[YarnAddict]

31. Men will never understand it

so don't expect them to. Fortunately, there are now so many more women who are judges, prosecutors, and college administrators that there will be just brought about in many more cases.

[raccoon]

180. It is now more acceptable to TALK about it. It used to be the victims were shamed into silence. nt

[YarnAddict]

182. You're right!

The only woman I knew back in college who reported her rape was raped by a stranger at knifepoint. (And, even then, when I was telling my mother about it and told her this girl had been walking alone at 8:00 p.m., my mother thought she was "asking for it.&quot

[seabeyond]

12. today it is entertainment, in our tv shows, our movies, our songs and we feed it to our boys

with easily accessible rape porn that is our to be as real looking as possible for boys to get off on. how do you think that will effect our boys brains, jacking off to it, and the acceptance of it in porn, and validated as pure entertainment in so many shows today when seeing the real world.

[davidn3600]

29. These crimes are actually decreasing if you go by the statistics

According to the FBI, violent crimes are actually DECREASING. They have been steadily decreasing since the early 1990s. However, because of 24 hour cable news, the internet, and how fast things spread on social media...we are hearing about more and more of these stories than ever before. It makes it appear like it's a growing problem.

The world gets smaller as information travels faster. In 1980, you wouldn't hear about this case unless it was in your town.

[seabeyond]

30. there are all kinds of reasons for the bogus numbers and the audacity of a man to walk into this

thread and dismiss what happened to this girl, with.... be happy, it is decreasing... fuckin bullshit. and men (police) game the system not even filing a report so it does not go into the fuckin numbers.

how dare you, walk in and dismiss this girl, with this crap.

[Stargleamer]

39. Spot-on and True. ..

1) I agree with you that bringing up these statistics in a thread decrying what happened to this girl was dismissive and inappropriate.

2) having said as much, if you look at these figures it seems like for all these categories (forcible rape, assault, theft, etc.) there was a drop-off around 1992. Radfems have noted that there are more men who would commit rape if they knew they would not get caught--hell they admitted as much in a survey taken of American boys from years ago. I think the advent of DNA technology to detect crimes around the early 1990's (remember OJ Simpson?) gave all would-be criminals--rapists and others--good reasons to not go through with their inclinations. This is speculative I know, but what I always think of whenever I hear someone say "Oh, but incidents of rape are going down!". Well, that and rape is the most under-reported of crimes.

[seabeyond]

40. the numbers are bogus. that simple. a lie. and it is proven time and again.

wasting my time proving these numbers a lie. rapes not categorized as rapes, ergo do not make the number. police not filing a report or downgrading from rape to not tally up the numbers. police departments, across the nation.

i am not doing the research again, gathering the data again, to once again, prove the numbers are bullshit. do the research on it. it is clear.

take a fuckin dna rape kit, put it on the shelf and never file a report. hundreds of thousands, sitting on the shelf. across the nation

that being said.... we are still talking this crap in this thread with a 16 yr old girl and other girls, drugged, raped, video'd adn distributed for boys to get off on, and hashtag to mock

[Comrade Grumpy]

44. Rape, as reported by victimization surveys, is down.

You can throw all the fits of outrage you want, but here are the numbers from the Bureau of Justice Statistics:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fvsv9410pr.cfm

ADVANCE FOR RELEASE AT 10:00 A.M. EST Bureau of Justice Statistics
THURSDAY, MARCH 7, 2013 Contact: Kara McCarthy [phone]
HTTP://WWW.BJS.GOV/ After hours: [phone]
OVER 60 PERCENT DECLINE IN SEXUAL VIOLENCE AGAINST FEMALES
FROM 1995 TO 2010

WASHINGTON – From 1995 to 2005, sexual violence against U.S. female residents age 12 or older declined 64 percent from 5.0 per 1,000 females to 1.8, and remained unchanged through 2010, according to a report, Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010, released today by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).

These estimates of sexual violence from 1994 to 2010, averaged across two years and reported as the most recent year, are based on data from the annual National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). Sexual violence against females includes completed, attempted, or threatened rape or sexual assault. In 2010, females experienced 270,000 rape or sexual assault victimizations at a rate of about two victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older.

In 1995, 29 percent of rape or sexual assault victimizations against females were reported to the police. This percentage increased to 56 percent in 2003 before declining to 35 percent in 2010. Of the sexual victimizations reported to the police in 2005-10, about 64 percent were reported to the police directly by the victims, 10 percent by another household member and 14 percent by an official other than the police. About 84 percent of the victims stated that the police came to the victim after being notified.

When police responded after being notified, the most common police activity according to the victim was to take a report. In 2005-10, police took a report in 86 percent of reported victimizations and questioned witnesses or conducted a search for the offender in 48 percent of reported victimizations. The percentage of reported victimizations in which the police collected evidence increased from eight percent in 1994-98 to 19 percent in 2005-10.

The percentage of reported rape or sexual assault victimizations that resulted in an arrest either at the scene or during a follow-up investigation decreased from 47 percent in 1994-98 to 31 percent in 2005-10. Overall, out of the 283,200 annual average rape or sexual assault victimizations in 2005-10, both reported and not reported to the police, approximately 12 percent resulted in an arrest.

Other findings showed—

The majority of sexual violence against females involved someone the victim knew. In 2005-10, 78 percent of sexual violence involved an offender who was a family member, intimate partner, friend or acquaintance.

About 38 percent of sexual violence was committed by a friend or acquaintance, 34 percent by an intimate partner (former or current spouse, girlfriend, boyfriend) and 6 percent by a relative or family member. Strangers committed about 22 percent of all sexual violence, a percentage that remained unchanged from 1994 to 2010.

In 2005-10, the offender was reported to be armed with a gun, knife or other weapon in 11 percent of rape or sexual assault victimizations.

In 2005-10, about 58 percent of female victims of sexual violence suffered a physical injury during the attack, such as cuts, bruises, internal injuries, broken bones, gunshot wounds or rape injuries. This percentage remained unchanged from 1994-98 to 2005-10.
The percentage of females who were physically injured during a rape or sexual assault and received some type of treatment for their injuries increased from 26 percent in 1994-98 to 35 percent in 2005-10.

In 2005-10, 80 percent of female rape or sexual assault victims who were treated for physical injuries received care in a hospital, doctor’s office or emergency room as compared to 65 percent in 1994-98.

In 2005-10, about one in four (23 percent) rape or sexual assault victims received help or advice from a victim service agency.
The NCVS is the largest data collection on criminal victimization independent of crimes reported by law enforcement agencies to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program (UCR)—the nation’s other key measure of the extent and nature of crime in the U.S. During 2010, about 81,950 households and 146,570 persons were interviewed for the NCVS. The NCVS is a self-reporting survey with the first interview conducted in-person. Follow-up in-person or telephone interviews are conducted every six-months for three years.

The report, Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010 (NCJ 240655), was written by BJS statisticians Michael Planty, Ph.D., and Lynn Langton, Ph.D., and Christopher Krebs, Ph.D., Marcus Berzofsky, Dr.P.H., and Hope Smiley-McDonald, Ph.D., of RTI International. More information on criminal victimization and sexual violence from 1994 to 2010 is available from the NCVS Victimization Analysis Tool on the BJS website at http://www.bjs.gov/. The full text of the report, related documents and other BJS statistical resources can also be found on the BJS website.

# # #

The Office of Justice Programs (OJP), headed by Acting Assistant Attorney General Mary Lou Leary, provides federal leadership in developing the nation’s capacity to prevent and control crime, administer justice, and assist victims. OJP has six components: the Bureau of Justice Assistance; the Bureau of Justice Statistics; the National Institute of Justice; the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention; the Office for Victims of Crime; and the Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking. More information about OJP can be found at http://www.ojp.gov.

[seabeyond]

47. another comes in to champion less rape, rah, in a thread 16 yr old drugged, raped, video distributed

for boys to get off on and hashtagged to mock, across the nation.

ncvs bogus numbers. can we be done boys, with dismissing this girl being drugged, raped, videod for rape porn consumption, hashtagged to be mocked, in this thread, to cheer the decline of rape?


However, the NCVS clearly reports a much smaller number than can be reconciled with the personal accounts of the last few days. Is there reason to think that the NCVS undercounts rape? Yes. Many reasons. The National Academy completed a review of the NCVS and considers it faulty in many ways (long quote because in the public domain).

The NCVS is widely considered the best source of information for many kinds of criminal victimizations. However, the survey presents unique challenges for measuring low-frequency incidents, such as rape and sexual assault, which accounted for 1 percent or 217,331 of the criminal victimizations identified through the NCVS in 2011. Over the years, several other surveys, including the National Women’s Study, the National College Women Sexual Victimization Study, and the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Study, have measured higher rates of rape and sexual assault than the NCVS. Even though these surveys have substantial differences -- the populations they target, their definitions of rape, and their data collection methodologies and timing -- the panel concluded that the NCVS was likely undercounting incidences of rape and sexual assault because of how the omnibus survey is designed and administered.
The report says lack of privacy may be a major reason for underreporting rape and sexual assault in the NCVS, which relies on oral interviews conducted within a household by an interviewer. Because most rapes and sexual assaults are committed by individuals whom the victim knows, respondents may be reluctant to disclose their victimization during an interview that takes place in the home within earshot of other family members. The training for NCVS interviewers does not stress privacy, and even if adequate training were provided, the nature of the survey -- a general-purpose criminal victimization survey -- means that interviewers very rarely get positive responses on questions of rape and sexual assault.

The new survey recommended by the panel should be administered in a neutral context, such as a survey of health and well-being, instead of within the criminal context of the current NCVS. Framing questions about rape and sexual assault within the confines of crime can limit responses. For example, a respondent may believe that because the police weren’t contacted about an incident, it should not be reported on a government crime survey. A victim may also understand that an act was criminal but not want to report it on the survey for fear of reprisal. The new survey should continue to measure rape and sexual assault as “point-in-time” events with sufficient detail about the events so that they can later be coded as criminal events or not.

Survey questions should be worded to describe specific actions rather than the more ambiguous term “rape,” which is not defined uniformly by the FBI, states, or jurisdictions. Survey respondents may interpret the word differently and not realize that what they experienced (for example, being forced by a companion to have sex while being too intoxicated to resist) might fit the definition of rape. By responding to questions that simply ask whether specific actions have occurred, victims may be better able to express their victimizations without interpreting whether those incidents should be defined as rape or sexual assault.

The new survey should also focus more attention on “at risk” subpopulations that have a higher likelihood of being victims of rape and sexual assault. This approach can improve the overall precision of the estimates, both at the national level and for important demographic subpopulations defined by age, race, and socio-economic variations. More precise estimates would allow for more informed policymaking and better allocation of resources to prevent crime and support victims, the report says.

The other stunning revelation that comes from these numbers is the scale of underreporting. Even with the deeply flawed NCVS numbers, less than half of rapes are reported. Using the NISVS numbers (better, but still probably too low), less than 7% of rapes are reported.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/26/1302025/-Measuring-The-Unmentionable#

[prairierose]

62. Thanks for bringing this article here seabeyond...

I was about to go find it because I was getting tired of these people who believe the "official" numbers without thinking about or understanding the reasons for the bogus numbers.

[seabeyond]

66. i have to start bookmarking this shit cause regularly the few guys have to come into rape threads to

dismiss the experience with the mentality that we should all be cheering the few rapes out there today.

when reality smacks all us in the fuckin face daily, what bullshit that is.

we are suppose to be so stupid, that we buy this crap. i cannot tell you how many times i do the research, put it up, link it, thoroughly, only to have the same people posting the same shit in the next horrendeous rape case of one of our girls.

it is old.

[prairierose]

78. You and me both...I always..

mean to but when it comes right down to it, I forget and then I am pissed when I wish I could find it again.

[BainsBane]

79. it's a constant refrain

with countless examples. An advanced search will turn up many.

[ismnotwasm]

97. And someone is whining about it.

[MerryBlooms]

122. Ugh.

Honestly, the only non-surprise in this thread so far, is the 2 less-rape-rah posts, weren't joined in by about 3 more and they weren't screaming MISANDRY... but the night's still young

Good post, Sea.

[seabeyond]

124. actually, seeing a reply to that post, i was fearful that is exactly what i was going to address.

i was relieved to see your name, instead. so thank you. lol

[alp227]

50. So what if "rape is down"? That doesn't debunk that rape culture exists,

like the kids who were mocking Jada's rape on social media.

[retread]

56. What a bunch of hogwash. Even a cursory reading indicates the decline is figured by counting as

a crime only ones reported then a followed-up by an arrest. Why do you find it necessary to drag this whitewash onto this thread?

[Comrade Grumpy]

84. You obviously didn't read what was posted. This is a victimization survey.

Nothing to do with crimes reported or arrests made.

Why do you find it necessary to make shit up?

[seabeyond]

99. you obviously did not read my post that state unequivocally that the NVCS numbers are bogus.

[BainsBane]

57. Is that supposed to make a difference to Jada

WTF do you post that here? This thread is about a young girl's life.
As insignificant as you think that may be, her parents feel differently.

[seabeyond]

58. i feel differently. you feel differently. most reasonable humans feel differently than the dismissal

of this girl and her experience.

[BainsBane]

60. Her life isn't important

What matters is women be told we have nothing to complain about because rape statistics are down. 1/4 or five women really isn't so bad.

[seabeyond]

61. i wont accept the premise of a lie. we do not know all the fuckin manipulation over the years with

the numbers, the dismissal of rape and our girls. i do not know if it is up or down. so numbers are totally irrelevant.

[etherealtruth]

63. not really sure what your point is ...?

I think it is widely accepted that large numbers of rape victims (male and female) do NOT come forward and report their attacks ... for a multitude of reasons. In a society where politicians blather on about "legitimate rape" ... and other idiocy, it is hardly surprising. I would love to see all violent crime decrease and decrease more ... yet I have doubts about the statistics as they apply to actual rapes occurring. We have appeared to regress when it comes to the attitudes toward victims of rape

From the US Department of Justice

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf

During the period from 2006 to 2010, 52% of all violent victimizations, or an annual average of 3,382,200 violent victimizations, were not reported to the police.

From 2006 to 2010, the highest percentages of unreported crime were among household theft (67%) and rape or sexual assault (65%) victimizations

[Kali]

117. why the fuck do you think this is relevant to this thread?

got anything to say about a bunch of fucking predators who victimized a young woman and what might be done about it? THAT is the topic of the thread, not some statistics posted in some lame attempt to make yourself feel what? less guilty? that is what it looks like. some kind of excuse for your personal inadequacy to feel empathy.

[seabeyond]

128. exactly. and they got what they wanted. look at the percentage dealing with their fictional numbers

it makes me..... angry.

[BainsBane]

132. Anything but talking about the girl herself

She's nothing but a number of a chart.

[seabeyond]

134. too often she does not even make it to importance of a number on a chart. that is the issue with

charts.

[BainsBane]

136. Very true. And that is why they use them so much

Precisely because she and girls and women like her are not on the charts, so the charts serve to diminish a crime that is indeed a crisis. I said it. When 20 percent of women and five percent of men are raped, it's a crisis.

[BainsBane]

131. Precisely

And another poster who does it even more frequently started the whole derailment for, it seems, similar reasons.

[alp227]

65. both posts by davidn and grumpy were kept in narrow 3-4 decisions. nt

[laundry_queen]

69. If that doesn't demonstrate the problem on this site, nothing will. nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

94. Yeah, the fact that posts with nothing but FACTS get alerted on suggests a real problem.

Both the alerted on posts were statistical reports. Nothing more.

That people want to censor facts that get in the way of their narratives is sad and pathetic. It suggest they value winning an argument or shutting somebody up more than they value the search for truth.

[ismnotwasm]

98. Post something on under reporting like this

Female and male.

Law professor: More than 1 million rapes unreported in official U.S. crime statistics
- See more at: http://news.ku.edu/2014/03/03/law-professor-more-1-million-rapes-unreported-official-us-crime-statistics#sthash.QVCeOjdB.dpuf


LAWRENCE — More than 1 million rape cases have gone undocumented across the United States during the past two decades, according to research by a University of Kansas law professor. The chronic under-reporting happened during what was widely considered a “great decline” in violent crime. Corey Rayburn Yung, associate professor of law, has authored “How to Lie with Rape Statistics: America’s Hidden Rape Crisis.” The article, which will appear in the Iowa Law Review, details Yung’s review of crime data from 1995 to 2012, which shows that by conservative estimates, nearly 1.2 million rapes disappeared from the official record. Yung analyzed data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report, which collects data from nearly every police department in the country, and is commonly used by policy makers, media and law enforcement as a picture of crime prevalence in the United States. Yung has taught and conducted research in rape and crime law and noticed inconsistencies in the number of rapes reported in a number of cities.

Raw numbers of rapes were much lower in some cities than raw numbers of murders, which raised red flags as murder is a less common crime. Yung then learned of media investigations in Baltimore, New Orleans, St. Louis and Philadelphia that documented cases of police departments under-reporting rape statistics. “Originally I was trying to reconcile why the data was showing such anomalies,” Yung said of the impetus of his paper. “Then I found out about the four cities with documented cases of under-reported rapes, and the more I looked the more red flags there were. There were a number of cities where the numbers didn’t make sense.” In all, 46 cities, or about 22 percent of the 210 studied police departments responsible for populations of at least 100,000 people, had “substantial irregularities in their rape data, indicating considerable undercounting from 1995 to 2012,” Yung wrote. - See more at: http://news.ku.edu/2014/03/03/law-professor-more-1-million-rapes-unreported-official-us-crime-statistics#sthash.QVCeOjdB.dpuf

[seabeyond]

100. he ignores posts so he can post the bogus numbers again, in the future, for the next horrendous

rape of our girls in dismissal.

[ismnotwasm]

103. Huh.

You know, that's really too bad. And sad.

[seabeyond]

104. it is a tell. nt

[laundry_queen]

145. You aren't the only one that has noticed that tactic. nt

[seabeyond]

146. good to know laundry queen.

i am hoping all is well with you. you have certainly been in fine form on du, of late.

i am off to read a very good book, and let this garbage go for the night.

thank you, woman.

[laundry_queen]

147. Enjoy your book

Thanks for the compliment. Same to you

I've decided I cannot let any of this go anymore...I have 4 daughters who deserve a mother that calls people out on it.

Ah, a book. I should do the same....I'll probably go watch some old Doctor Who episodes instead.
See you around.

[laundry_queen]

125. Spare me. "facts"....just like Fox's "facts" have no place on DU. nt

[seabeyond]

70. so we educate, and sometimes, get the hide. i get it. sometimes, it will be worth it.

thanks alp.

[Comrade Grumpy]

83. It's a sad reflection on this board that posts that attempt to use actual facts get alerted on.

And barely survive.

What did I post that was so terrible it had to be alerted on? An ACTUAL REPORT FROM THE BUREAU OF JUSTICE STATISTICS ON THE PREVALENCE OF RAPE AS REPORTED IN VICTIMIZATION SELF-REPORTS.

It reflects an attempt to impose a censorious orthodoxy.

I give Seabeyond credit for responding to my BJS post with some substance.

By the way, I feel very bad for the young woman in question. But what happened to her doesn't prove that rape is in the increase. We can agree that she suffered a vile attack, but that doesn't mean we get to make shit up.

[davidn3600]

85. Some people feel they need to prove a crisis exists in order to justify their outrage

There are some here on this site that simply don't like facts and statistics that go against their arguments. Anyone that brings up facts that go against their outrage is considered a troll.

As for the op...what exactly am I supposed to say? Of course I feel bad for the victim. But there is nothing I can do about it now. It's in the hands of the police and justice system. Let that run its course.

The world is a violent place. It will always be a violent place. There is nothing I can do that will stop that.

[alp227]

88. and who here has said that a crisis exists?

face it. A lot of people in Jada's community who themselves don't sexually abuse people otherwise find enjoyment in mocking the victim. It's an issue worth confronting whether you like it or not!

[BainsBane]

101. The first thing you could do

and probably the best we could hope from you, is to never, never mention the subject again. Don't come into a thread and derail it away from a young girl's life to what you think is your more important point that rape really isn't that common. You could do your part by simply keeping your views to yourself. Clearly the lives of the hundreds of women on this site who have been raped are meaningless to you. No one here expects you to consider us as human beings who matter. I however would be very grateful if you stopped using threads on these heinous crimes as an excuse for your own agenda. Just keep out of them. If you must post about your resentment toward the women of the world who care about rape, do so in the men's group or one of the other websites you regularly visit where that stuff flies.

[seabeyond]

106. well said. but then, there would have to be compassion for rape victims, and the tell is...

that is denied regardless of who it is or what the circumstance is, per this thread.

[BainsBane]

139. Thanks for making clear that you really aren't interested

in what you can do. Of course you have no obligation to help combat rape culture, but since you asked, I gave a few suggestions

So we get the message: Jada's life isn't worth commenting on; Davidn3600's agenda too important to let a good opportunity pass by. Did you really think anyone is left who doesn't know your views on rape? Or is the opportunity to rape survivors in this thread just too irresistible?

[davidn3600]

148. Im not going to sit here and debate this with you AGAIN because it goes nowhere

The assumptions you make are completely ridiculous. Suggesting that I support rapists or don't support rape victims is completely ridiculous.
Yes it is true that I do not buy completely into this idea of "rape culture." And I've already made my points clear on that. Yes, rape happens far too often. Yes, there is corruption and problems in certain corners of society. But I don't think there is some vast culture of rape acceptance. I just simply don't believe that to be true. But I'm not going into it again with you because such conversation will go nowhere.

If anything it is YOU who has distracted away from this rape victim in order to antagonize every post I make. You and others here could be civil and post studies or statistics that show the DOJ numbers are wrong and be done with it. Instead you blow this up with insults, alerts, and assumptions. It's all completely unnecessary.

All I did was post government statistics. It doesn't mean anything more than that.

[Codeine]

150. Jury results on this post.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The first half of this post? OK, just an opinion. But then after "But I'm not going into it again with you" this post gets into over-the-top ad homs against BainsBane.

davidn3600 started all this by posting basically "oh, rape is down, no big deal" in post #29, thus threadjacking. David has been doubling down on an insensitive post ever since.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:45 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I tend to think there IS a rape culture (you can see it in the criminal justice system) -- but this post is just the usual "you're behaving badly" DU bickering.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hide this post? I'd recommend it if I could. The claim that there is a rape culture that we're all part of is outrageous.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There's nothing wrong with this post. Not every damned thing on this board needs to be alerted on. Stop.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster explains his position. I don't find it counter to DU's spectrum of allowable opinion. If it is then I have a problem being here too.

[BainsBane]

155. This is a thread about one young girl

Not your efforts to deny rape culture and the frequency of rape. It is you who choose to derail it for your own purposes. I don't need to characterize your agenda for anyone. You have made it perfectly clear yourself.

[seabeyond]

141. why in the world would women ignore a man dismissing this girl. drugged, raped, rape porn distribute

for consumption for our boys to get off on, and hashtagged mocked across the nation.

tell me why ONE woman would simply IGNORE your attempts in dismissing this girl and her experience.

not gonna happen. at all. ever.

[BainsBane]

143. Note, he says that while in MY thread

He wants to be able to disrupt and derail my thread about rape without pushback from me. Of course, he knows I am perfectly aware of his past arguments and am willing to search for links.

[seabeyond]

102. both you and comrade ignore facts... you know, FACTS telling you these numbers are bogus, so you

can dismiss rape. why? and then cry victim when you are called on it repeatedly.

[davidn3600]

129. These facts are from the Department of Justice!

They are not coming from some MRA site or anything like that. This is from the government.

My god... I post statistics from the government and I get called a rape apologist? If you don't like those stats go take that up with Eric Holder. It's his department that's putting them out there.

You haven't even said WHY they are bogus. And who says they are bogus? Feminists? With what studies? Link me the study that says these crime statistics are incorrect.

Seems every single stat to you is bogus unless it supports your agenda. How convenient.

[seabeyond]

137. did you read ONE of the many posts given to YOU showing you how the number is bogus, how FBI states

their numbers are bogus???

MY GOD.....

hold onto you false info for whatever reason you use it to dismiss this girl, her experience, and ignore the horror she went thru, is going thru and will live for a lifetime.

arent you da man.

[BainsBane]

144. How about reading some of the studies critiquing those numbers?

You have had links here challenging them. If you are going to insist the whole story is told through numbers, you should at least be willing to engage with critiques of those numbers.

[BainsBane]

114. Something else you could do

Is never again write this:

You want men to serve even longer? Where are you going to put them? We already have 5 times more prisoners per capita than China! And our state governments are out of money. In fact, California is now be ordered by the feds to release 10,000 prisoners because their prisons have reached 170% of capacity.

Im sorry...but prison is not going to solve your rape culture.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3223344

Especially in response to comment and link about the release of a man who had been convicted of raping 40 women and reoffended the very day of his last release. http://www.democraticunderground.com/125523927

[seabeyond]

116. wasnt there also a claim. ONE false claim and no man should be convicted. or better 100 rapist free

than ONE false imprisonment. and of course, right here, i as a woman, has to clarify, state bolden.... none of us want ONE false imprisonment. that is horrible. wrong. the worst of the worse. and still, 100 free rapists?

that is not what is said toward murder or any other crime. ONLY rape.

[BainsBane]

121. Probably. I don't recall it specifically.

[redqueen]

159. I found the quote mentioned several times (once apparently in defense of Zimmerman!)

And I also found it used here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024238358#post2

[seabeyond]

161. yes. we do not hear, 99 murders should go free, before one is prosecuted. or any crime. rape. now,

is a whole different story. simply do not prosecute, rape, ever, cause it is inevitable there will be one, falsely prosecuted.

so go at it boys, rape at will.

we see it with the judges, we see it with the cops, we see it with the universities. we see it with our athletes. we see it with our politicians. we see it with our producers and whistle blowers.

rape at will.

no rape culture here. none at all.

[redqueen]

171. It really says something that that quote gets trotted out

in a discussion about a crime with is seldom reported, and for which rapists are rarely prosecuted to begin with.

I wonder whose sock that was.

[alp227]

86. No one is saying "rape is in the increase" here.

What's the point of those stats in response to this story? Really?

[davidn3600]

89. It was in response to a reply

Post #1 asked the question about how rape has become so "nourished" and accepted.

I stated in my reply to that poster that rape is actually declining and we are only noticing it more because of social media and the internet.

My initial reply was not to the OP of the thread.

[alp227]

90. Post #1 isn't the same as saying rape is "increasing". Worthless debate of semantics here. nt

[BainsBane]

96. False and you know it.

When and HOW did rape become not only acceptable
but nourished??? I think I recall that if you went to prison for rape the inmates would hate you (and worse)...now you are a hero?????????????

She didn't mention statistics about rape. She referenced attitudes toward it. You made yourself perfectly clear, as you always do. Your response was reprehensible, beneath contempt. You enter every single thread involving the rape of a woman to diminish the woman's experience in some way, whether it is to go entirely off topic with your "legitimate rape" statistics or talk about how the perp's rights are so much more important than the victim. Whereas if a man is raped, you go on about how people will diminish the crime. Except the feminists on this site take all rapes seriously. We don't trivialize a victim's life, whether they are male or female. It is lost on no one what your goal here is. You couldn't make yourself clearer.

[nomorenomore08]

92. +1

I'm asking the same question myself, to be honest.

[nomorenomore08]

91. Either way, the rate is still appallingly high, 60% reduction or no.

Focusing on an alleged (and possibly dubious) statistical decline really misses the point.

Also, can you see how the "Yay! Rape is down!" posts might be considered insensitive in this particular thread?

[seabeyond]

109. 1 in 4-6 are raped today. 60% reduction? claiming 1 in 1.75, 2-3 were raped a couple decades ago?

intellectually, logically, common sense. does that sound right, even a little?

[nomorenomore08]

111. Actually it doesn't. I doubt any decline in real numbers is as dramatic as some claim.

Violent crime rates as a whole are about half what they were 20-25 years ago. Other than that, I have no particular reason to suspect that sexual assault rates have greatly declined - and I tend to think they haven't, at least not by 60%.

[seabeyond]

115. i do not know if they are up or down. at least i am honest enough to state, i do not know.

presenting bogus numbers and expecting us to not only accept them but cheer adn dismiss rape, is bullshit when the evidence otherwise is in our face, hitting us upside the head, daily.

one mra'er claimed they dropped 87%. he stopped that and went to 60% once he realized how very stupid that number is. 87% drop. yea. lets cheer.

not gonna happen.

[nomorenomore08]

119. I agree that bringing it into this thread - which is about one young girl's horrific ordeal -

was in poor taste. Some people just seem to have a need to somehow minimize the subject, whenever and wherever it comes up. Almost as if they have to comfort themselves that it's "really not that bad." But of course, it is that bad, and worse, out there in the world.

[seabeyond]

130. the fact is, it is that bad, when dealing with a male being raped. feminists are the first to stand

with them. without the need to minimize. but to be voice with.

i expect no less. i accept no less.

[nomorenomore08]

140. And you shouldn't. Basic human decency demands such a response. n/t

[seabeyond]

142. sigh.....

thank you. i needed that. just a little reality check. it is at minimal, human decency.

[BainsBane]

158. Precisely. And most people see exactly what the purpose is

Last edited Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:52 PM - Edit history (1)

as I pointed out to someone in another thread, it's like when a mass shooting takes place, and the 2a folks respond with stats showing the murder rate is down. In that particular case we do know those stats are accurate, but they are aside from the point. People have died, and those lives count, even if numbers are down. Even if the DOJ statistics were accurate, which very few people believe, they don't have a thing to do with this crime, Jada's shaming via social media, or her experience. This is about one girl and her life deserves acknowledgment.

[BainsBane]

108. This is about a young girl's life

We have been through those stats a million times. What is objectionable is why you post them. No one here mentioned stats except the two of you whose response to a horrible crime against a young girl is to insist that rape really isn't that big of a problem. We get it. Rape is not a big deal. Now move on. Take your Positivism elsewhere.

[anti partisan]

174. I look at the statistics as OUR activism making a difference.

This should be motivation to keep pressing on and fighting harder, because what many of us have been doing to fight against rape culture is working. Rape is a cancer on society. When a cancer treatment is working, nobody says "oh only half the cancer is still there, no big deal lets stop the treatment".

[BainsBane]

175. Unfortunately, it's difficult to know that

Given how problematic rape statistics are.

[liberalmuse]

157. Unbelievable.

You have no idea what you've done, have you? This thread is about a young girl who was raped and who continues to be victimized, and people are pulling out fucking pie charts? I'm stunned at the gross insensitivity.

[Texasgal]

160. Why would you even bring this up

in THIS thread? If it such a topic of discussion for you and you feel the need to talk about this, why not start a thread?

It makes you look like you do not care about this young lady and what happened to her. Is it possible to get a clue? This is a horrific story. Show some compassion for crying out loud! Sheesh!

[uppityperson]

33. I find the designations in that chart odd, I guess to leave out statutory rape?

Since statutory rape may not be violent?

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/aggravated-assault.html

Aggravated assault is an assault which criminal laws punish more severely due to its seriousness. Factors which raise an assault to an aggravated assault typically include the use of a weapon, the status of the victim, the intent of the perpetrator, and the degree of injury caused. Assaults which happen in the victims home can also qualify as an aggravated assault.

States classify certain assaults as aggravated assault under their criminal codes. They may also use more specific names such as assault with a deadly weapon. Often, aggravated assaults qualify as felonies, while simple assaults can be misdemeanors. Many states have multiple degrees of criminal charges for aggravated assault.

The most common form of rape is forcible rape, in which an offender uses violence or threats of violence to force a victim into sexual intercourse. In most states, however, rape can also occur in a number of other ways, including posing as a public official and threatening to arrest or punish the victim.


Statutory rape

Statutory rape refers to sexual intercourse with a minor (someone below the "age of consent&quot . People below the age of consent cannot legally consent to having sex. This means that sex with them, by definition of the strict liability statute, violates the law.

- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/rape.html#sthash.3KRszGk4.dpuf

[11 Bravo]

34. Rape is without a doubt the most underreported of all violent crimes.

And anyone who wonders why only has to watch as the victims are routinely re-victimized by the police, the courts, and sometimes even the original assailants. I call bullshit on your numbers.

[etherealtruth]

67. So does the US Department of justice

http://ojp.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/2012/ojppr080912.pdf

On average, an estimated 211,200 rapes and sexual assaults went unreported to police each year between 2006 and 2010.Although serious violent crime was generally less likely to go unreported to the police than simple assault, a higher percentage of rape or sexual assault (65 percent) than simple assault (56percent) victimizations went unreported over the five year period .

[seabeyond]

72. i read straight from FBI stating, ... the numbers are bogus. there is no way to get these numbers.

that was way back when, when i first started exploring the numbers. over the years, that is the consistent answer. and a group of men are the only ones that pull out these numbers. always, in the middle of a horrendous rape of our girls. i gotta ask. why?

i think we all pretty much get it.

[etherealtruth]

74. Of course

I think this is something that is generally well known ... I no longer wonder about the motivations of those that post those "statistics" in threads like this.

it took me 1-2 seconds doing an internet search to find "governmental" information clearly stating .... those are the stats, but it appears more rape/ rapists go unreported than are reported and contained in the stats being quoted.

[seabeyond]

76. we had a poster state rape has dropped 87% in two decades. just think about that. 1 in 4-6 raped.

if at 1 in 4-6 is the result of an 87% drop of rapes, how many women and girls were being raped two decades ago. 1 in 2? 1 in 1.5? how absurd. and we are suppose to feel all warm and cozy with that number produced by MRA.

[etherealtruth]

77. Dismiss, minimize, trivialize, infantalize and demonize

... appears to have become de rigeur

[justiceischeap]

35. Stats can and are cooked by police departments

I would guess that violent rape statistics have not gone down at all but instead how they're filed in police record statistics has changed.

[alp227]

49. So? Doesn't dismiss the circumstances around Jada's rape

where her peers were openly MOCKING her for it!

[BainsBane]

54. Tell it to Jada

This isn't about statistics. It's about a young girl's LIFE.

[nomorenomore08]

93. Precisely. Those graphs may be appropriate for another thread, but not this one. n/t

[etherealtruth]

64. Hmmm, there is a reduction in the reporting ....

From the US Department of Justice

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf

During the period from 2006 to 2010, 52% of all violent victimizations, or an annual average of 3,382,200 violent victimizations, were not reported to the police.

From 2006 to 2010, the highest percentages of unreported crime were among household theft (67%) and rape or sexual assault (65%) victimizations

[laundry_queen]

68. "Forcible rape" is that like rape rape?

Posting this chart on a thread like this is the epitome of disrupting.

[seabeyond]

73. it is like, doesnt count if drinking is involved. or a man, or other than vaginal, or under a

certain age and it is all like.... voluntary in reporting, to FBI anyway.

the definition of rape did change just recently for FBI, but when we have it so iffy for the police force, that benefit from a low number, run by mostly men, i am not putting my faith in a truer number.

[laundry_queen]

75. Yeah, I know

It was a rhetorical question. I disagree with different 'degrees' of rape. Rape is rape. I wish I would've known that as a 19 year old.

I'm glad that the amount of women in the police force in my area is steadily increasing. My SIL is a cop and her partner was a female too (SIL doesn't have a partner anymore, she works in the domestic violence unit now). They are heavily recruiting women here. I hope that makes a difference in the long run with regards to women feeling more empowered to report rapes.

[BainsBane]

82. It's "legitimate" rape

You know, a woman's body has a way of shutting that down.

[nomorenomore08]

87. On the one hand, it is very possible that sexual assault has decreased along with violent crime

in general. On the other hand, this thread is not really the place for that - gives the appearance of downplaying or dismissing the problem, intentionally or not.

[Scootaloo]

112. So... what's the distinction there, regarding "forcible rape?"

Is there some other kind of rape that I'm just unaware of?

[seabeyond]

118. drinking involved, not vaginal, men, children under 12....

and others. just do not remember them all.

date rape?

[Scootaloo]

162. One's skin crawls n/t

[seabeyond]

163. To be clear, those are rapes that did not count. Recently, FBI changed their definition of rape to

Include more of the rapes. Not sure how much was included. Sure will be interesting if expanding the definition of rape numbers continue to go down. That would make even less sense a say a hell if a lot.

[BainsBane]

164. Yes, one of our stats fans

can into HOF to point out that we should not consider non-forcible rape (like with underage girls) to be as bad as rape. I pointed out that most people do not believe rape of a minor to be less serious than rape of an adult, but I never got a response.

[seabeyond]

167. Is this an aasumption all the children raped are merely Lolita's seducing the rapist?

That says a lot that thought of actual" rape rape" you know " legitimate" rape actually happens, mostly.

[BainsBane]

168. The point was they aren't "forced" physically

and therefore it shouldn't be considered as bad. Mind you that includes Jerry Sandusky and most of the Catholic priests, but I suspect that isn't what he had in mind.

[seabeyond]

169. This is what I am getting at. Many many children are forced in horrible ways. This man must only see

The tempting temptress of the 13 yr old girl... In child rape. That says a hell of a lot, stupid, uneducated and frankly damn pathetic.

And I have absolutely no idea who it is. But fuck... That he only sees rape of a child the seductress 13, 14, 15 yr old girl for the perverted old man. And really, she wants it. Damn the law.

[hrmjustin]

135. What is the point of your posting this?

[liberalmuse]

153. Maybe you should show Jada this chart.

Or let rape victims know that they are a diminishing statistic. I'm sure they'll feel much better about having been violated.

[Ms. Toad]

170. How about self-deleting this.

This thread is about a horrific rape, and you post a thread of statistics to explain that it is all better? Pretty insensitive.

[yardwork]

173. So this didn't really happen?

Are you saying that this report is false?

[Aerows]

152. When it became profitable

for small time criminals with a cell phone instead of the necessary large scale equipment. It's sickness, but sickness and depravity that people PAY for.

[myrna minx]

2. Disgisting.

[mercuryblues]

7. ffs

they were not having sex with her. they were RAPING her. They are not even close to being the same thing.

[seabeyond]

13. right. maybe if they call it what it is, not what it isnt, that could be an easy first step. nt

[L0oniX]

16. Yea I hate that soft coating phrase "having sex". It's crime ...a felony.

[seabeyond]

18. yup. that is exactly it. "soft coating" to make more digestible, and

and it should not be. it should make us vomit.

[mythology]

8. It's bad that the alleged perps are able to post this stuff online where it gets back to the victims

But on the other hand, it does give the police a place to start investigating.

I feel like I must have the right friends, because I can't imagine anybody I know even reasonably well doing something like this. Much less being so brazen as to post about it online. But given the frequency with which this sort of stuff happens, it's obviously not uncommon for people to use social media to bully victims.

[avebury]

9. These boys are nothing more then sexual

predators and they need to be tried as adults and forced to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. Anybody else who posted the video on the internet needs to be charged with distributing child pornography and forced to register as sex offenders. I see a lot of civil suits against these kids and their families (and maybe against the police department if they fail to do their job.

[WCLinolVir]

11. +1000. Something to work towards.

[BainsBane]

53. They need to be proseucted and sent to jail first

[L0oniX]

14. "having sex" No it's not. It's rape!

"having sex" is soft coating the crime. Oh is that word missing? Crime! How about 1st degree felony. How about 20 years to life.

[historylovr]

17. I know. That makes me angry every time.

Just say the word. Rape. It's rape.

[L0oniX]

19. Add: 1st degree felony and crime.

[historylovr]

25. Yes.

1st degree felony and crime.

[mbperrin]

22. 20 years to life. Good start.

Unbelievable to me that this is so common and seems so seldom prosecuted.

[seabeyond]

27. it is a part of our hip culture of entertainment. i am surprised, anyone would be surprised. nt

[mbperrin]

166. Well, I'm old. 62.

Not too hip, either, I'm afraid, kind of a lifelong nerd.

[smirkymonkey]

38. I know. It's an outrage.

I am so upset by this I can't even believe it.

[Moostache]

15. Not to draw false equivalencies or justify it in ANY way...but look

at our sick ass culture in other areas:

- "Coal Rollers" intentionally poisoning themselves and the atmosphere and being CHEERED ON
- "Open Carry" jackasses slinging assault rifles on their back and walking into restaurants and stores in armed gangs
- "Stand Your Ground" assassins shooting down victims in cold blood and being heroes of the right because of it
- "The Bundy Ranch" where armed idiots took aim at government officials doing their job and enforcing THE LAW

In all of these cases and on radio and TV all day everyday we have a sub-culture that CHEERS for and PROMOTES anti-social and criminal behavior. Its sick and its depressing, but it makes these rapists feel welcome to do similarly insane and criminal things without feeling the repercussions of their acts until much much later.

Throw the book at them all. Jail them and stop jailing non-violent drug offenders. This would be a better world if there was more of a culture of acceptance for smoking a joint than for raping a passed out woman...

[seabeyond]

20. rape fits right in to all those macho posturings, and i bet you did not do that on purpose. now,

look how women are represented in our culture.

justice saying women are not represented in constitution
congressman addressing womens sexuality
healthcare denied women
limbaugh calling fluke a slut
judges saying is it the 13 yr old that is sexually matrue so 40 something man not responsible
tv, movies, songs have rape as entertainment and boys raised on realistic rape porn to get off, to the point, it can very well be real rape they are getting off on

[Generic Other]

71. Not really a new problem

but suggests all of our work toward equality is undermined by the fact that we are still not safe from those we should be able to trust.

Even here at DU, we had a poster confess to treating girls like this is high school. I recall it happened to a cheerleader at my school. The guys involved never faced any retribution. They made up songs, spread gossip. It was all over the school about the poor girl. There were times in history, men were lynched for this kind of behavior. Fathers and brothers killed others who harmed their women in this way. There were also times when such behavior was sanctioned by government, as well as times when it was socially acceptable (or at least politely ignored) as something engaged in by a low class of woman and thus somehow excused.

There are psychologists who suggest repressed sexuality is involved in this kind of group male violence. I don't know about that, but it seems that some young boys who probably still fear attempting a one-on-one relationship with a girl draw strength from the mob mentality that allows them to display (like animals) and commit sexual assault on a helpless victim without revealing their own insecurities (or so they think). They were largely shielded in the past by the reluctance of victims to come forward and accuse boys (often from upstanding families in their communities) of such a crime. In the most brutal fashion, the internet has made it much harder for girls to suffer in silence. Conversely, it has also made it much harder for teenage boys to distance themselves from such behavior. What was easily dismissed in the past as rumors or lies is more difficult to conceal when a trail of evidence exists online that will follow a young man for the rest of his life. The court of public opinion is harsh.

This is what happens when parents and teachers neglect to provide information to young people about sex. They learn from the only other available sources -- their peers, TV, movies, or porn.

[L0oniX]

23. I'm not accepting that. We and our society are not their enablers.

In all of these cases and on radio and TV all day everyday we have a sub-culture that CHEERS for and PROMOTES anti-social and criminal behavior. Its sick and its depressing, but it makes these rapists feel welcome to do similarly insane and criminal things without feeling the repercussions of their acts until much much later.

IMO part of the problem is that idea of a broad societal shared responsibility. It's a form of scapegoating. It softens the crime by diversification of blame.

[Blue_Tires]

55. +1000

The age-old "If everybody is doing it, then nobody is in trouble" cop-out...

Even adults who should know better get away with this excuse sometimes (i.e., Wall Street)

[delta17]

21. Can't this evidence be used against them?

If people put pictures on social media sites, can't they be held as witnesses? The people who are doing this are scum, but they also seem pretty stupid. Hopefully they can track whoever was uploading pictures and then drop the hammer.

[flvegan]

37. Wow. "rape...was shared and mocked"

For an honest-to-goodness change, I just don't have the words to express my disgust.

[BainsBane]

52. Unfortunately, this happens with some frequency

[retread]

59. I find this repellent behavior so vile I am stunned.

[nomorenomore08]

95. WTF is wrong with a certain proportion of the population? And it's not just younger folks

because people in previous generations have done equally vile things, albeit without the widespread exposure of the Internet and social media. Seems like an utter lack of care or empathy for others, no doubt indoctrinated from a young age - the American way, right?

[freshwest]

187. Not 'the American way.' It's world history. Rape to subjugate and destroy is a tool of war. And...

it has always been so. Many horrific gang rapes and murders we hear about in other countries are done for ethnic cleansing for territory or to secede; or class or religious warfare, which I say is based on economics.

Raping and pillaging was considered to be an army's spoils of war, and I'm sure you know that, I'm just reiterating it because we think we have evolved as a species or as societies, but I'm starting to doubt that. These depraved and inhuman acts occur in so many way daily, if they are not in media for sensationalism, it doesn't mean it's not happening anymore.

Taking women and children for labor, profit and to breed a different nation were standards. The old 'first night' privileges given the aristocracy over peasant brides was to pass their bloodline.

One English king was alleged to have said that they would breed out their opposition by doing that. It's what the Boko Harum does and what tribal elders did for centuries and they are doing right now in many places. It's all about control, such as defined here:

The Means of Reproduction: Sex, Power, and the Future of the World. [17]



The cover art depicting a woman holding the Earth on her shoulders is more than appropriate for this deeply-researched, historically-informed examination: fifty years worth of research about four continents has convinced Goldberg that women's oppression is at the crux of many of the world's most intractable challenges. She illustrates how US policies act as a catalyst for or an impediment to women's rights worldwide, and puts forth a convincing argument that women's liberation worldwide is key to solving some of our most daunting problems.

"Underlying diverse conflicts - demography, natural resources, human rights, and religious mores - is the question of who controls the means of reproduction," she writes. "Women's intimate lives have become inextricably tied to global forces."

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2009/03/23/controlling-means-reproduction-an-interview-with-michelle-goldberg/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110212801

That being said, your comment that it's just a certain part of the population is true, on the surface. But how many of those who don't participate in these things just ignore these things because it's not happening to them? I don't know, but 'the thin veneer of civilization' is weaker each time this happens.

[nomorenomore08]

188. Great post. And that book sounds like a really interesting, even important, read.

Of course you're right that sociopathic (or sociopath-like) behavior is hardly unique to American society. But I was thinking of these acts specifically in the context of contemporary America, where violent crime is down as a whole, but a certain minority of the population seems so utterly soulless.

Also true that the number of people who enable or look the other way at "everyday atrocities" is much larger than the number who actually commit said atrocities.

[Oakenshield]

126. With all our forensic tools, with our ability to track people's activity across the internet....

How can we completely fail to bring these rapists to justice?

[BainsBane]

127. lack of will

the same reason tens of thousands of rape kits go untested.

[seabeyond]

133. we do not care. we hear to often from judges, from cops. boys will be boys. girls are not important.

i say, this is not boys being boys, but monsters. and i say, our girls are THAT important.

[Aerows]

151. This whole situation is horrifying

I can't imagine how much more horrifying it can get. All that I know is that it needs to stop, the people perpetrating it need to be brought to justice, and anyone encouraging it (or God forbid, profiting off of it - which I think is happening, too) need to be in prison cells.

[BainsBane]

154. Jada has the face of a baby

She looks so young. It's heart breaking.

[stevenleser]

165. Almost makes one completely and permanently lose their faith in humanity

There is such a lack of empathy in the folks who not just perpetrated the attacks but thought it appropriate to mock it that it makes one wonder if our species is beyond fixing.

[get the red out]

177. This should carry very harsh penalties

I wish this could become a Federal crime. Seeing how the internet broadcasts these crimes nationwide. Everyone who participated in this should face a Federal trial, ideally, IMO; with very stern penalties if proven guilty.

[BainsBane]

178. like using the mail is

We need new federal legislation to make that happen, but it seems like it's a completely non-partisan issue that even this group in DC should be able to agree on.

[get the red out]

179. Exactly!

I see no difference between this and using the mail for illegal acts. It certainly should be non-partisan; it is really a human rights issue.