Crashed MH17 flight 'was 300 miles off typical course'

[malaise]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975524/Crashed-MH17-flight-was-300-miles-off-typical-course.html
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MH17 flight feared to have been shot down over Ukraine was taking a significantly different route to the usual course for flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, according to aviation expert

The crashed MH17 flight took a route 300 miles to the north of its usual path, an aviation expert has said.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot who edits Aviation International News Safety magazine, said that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur normally travelled along a route significantly further south than the plane which crashed.

Malaysia Airlines has insisted its plane travelled on an "approved route" used by many other carriers.

But Mr Mark said: "I can only tell you as a commercial pilot myself that if we had been routed that way, with what's been going on in the Ukraine and the Russian border over the last few weeks and months, I would never have accepted that route.

[TwilightGardener]

1. And yet...Putin's goons probably shouldn't have shot it down...amirite?

[malaise]

2. I don't know who shot it down

but whoever did committed a horrific crime and I hope they will be punished appropriately.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Putin started all of this. All of it. Because he didn't get his way with Ukraine.

He gave them the ability to do this, but without the proper guidance or accountability of a regular army. He will burn in hell.

[malaise]

9. Evidence would be nice

might and control of the global message is not always right.

[TwilightGardener]

12. In the internet age, there's not much control of the message. Unless you live in

places like China or Russia, of course.

[TM99]

3. Be careful.

That doesn't fit the narrative being presented here.

There is more to the situation than is being reported from both sides at this point in time.

[malaise]

4. Precisely

Truth will out

[NightWatcher]

5. The plane was asking for it.

I hear the plane was wearing a short skirt too.

I'm gonna blame the guy with the missile, not the one possibly flying around weather.

[TwilightGardener]

10. No, they're trying to suggest that the air traffic controllers wanted a civilian plane

shot down. Yes, they're actually suggesting this. Fucking sick. Even funnier, most people are willing to give the drunken goons some benefit of the doubt and chalk up the targeting to a mistake. But the REAL EVIL is the Ukrainian air traffic controllers...They did it on PURPOSE!!

[Codeine]

13. Their narrative that the Ukraine military

shot it down didn't hold up, so now they're scrambling and grasping at straws. Anything to obfuscate the reality that a bunch of drunken separatist goons shot it down out of sheer bloodthirsty pig-ignorance

[sufrommich]

18. It's never going to matter to some if all signs

point to Russia's proxies.And that is what they are,this is a proxy war being waged by Russia.

[NutmegYankee]

7. IIRC, there was weather in the other route.

Most flights vary their route from flight to flight dependent on multiple factors. What is lost here is the airspace above 32,000 feet was considered open and approved for commercial travel by international aviation bodies. If the rebels decided on their own that it should be closed and took the plane down, they should be exterminated to a man.

[sufrommich]

8. It was diverted because of a storm. This is some

shameless shit.

[IronGate]

11. It was diverted because of a nasty storm along the usual flight path,

which has been explained time and time again if you had just bothered to look it up.

[Codeine]

14. But, but, but, "THE TRUTH WILL OUT!!"

They said that, so something nefarious MUST be going on, right?

[IronGate]

19. Apparently so.

I've noticed that in the last couple of days, as it becomes more and more apparent that the fascist pro Russian terrorists are responsible for the shoot down, the Putin apologists are becoming increasingly desperate to deflect blame to the Ukranian Govt, even though there isn't a shred of evidence that they're responsible.

[Duckhunter935]

15. as others have said there was a large storm over the normal route

The captain changed his flight plan prior to departure, so I guess he was in on it.

What a crop of bull pucky

[PSPS]

16. Geez. Again?

I hate to break it to you, but real life isn't anything like the movies, where every incident is orchestrated by a vast cabal of shady characters with their high-tech gadgets in sterile "control centers" and usually accompanied by eerie music and embellished with Foley.

In real life, planes are actually diverted all the time due to weather, which was the case here.

[SidDithers]

17. "Crashed"?...

Ummm, no.

Sid

[distantearlywarning]

20. The victim blaming mindset in this culture is now officially out of control.

I guess the plane was "asking for it".

[tammywammy]

21. It was known the day it was shot down that they changed the flight path due to weather.

Give me a fucking break.