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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo I took my daughter, 16, to Planned Parenthood - bad parent?
Attended one those dreadful extended family gatherings and the grumpy old white men were griping about how Planned Parenthood should be de-funded. One of them made a comment to me (I was already boiling) and I told them I took my daughter there at 16 (she's now 25) for birth control advice and we have both had very positive experiences with the organization. They freaked out and one told me in no uncertain terms that I was a bad parent. That didn't sit well with me and I dropped a few f-bombs in my response. Very uncomfortable, I left soon after.
Look, at the time I was newly divorced, a single parent working a full time job and gone form home about 12 hours every day. My daughter's well-being was my concern. I had been going to that clinic for some time and was very pleased with the treatment I received. I was only doing what I thought was right.
My blood is still boiling over this! I come from a VERY Catholic family and I know from the outset they have strong opinions, most of which I respect but disagree with. Told my daughter about it last night and she just laughed and said, "You go, mom!"
So does taking a teenager to Planned Parenthood automatically make you a bad parent? I don't think so.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Glad a grumpy middle aged white guy is with me on this.
It means a lot. Thanks!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)First of all it is nobody's business what you do with your daughter. They should not know if your daughter is on birth control or not. I have been to MILLIONS of family gathers and I have ZERO idea what individual family member's politics are. They are not my business. I certainly never wanted to know if my sister or nieces were ever on birth control for goodness sake. It seems creepy to even mention it.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)I hope you believe me.
TYY
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)You rock
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)murielm99
(30,745 posts)We do not have a PP close by. I took my girls to the doctor for physicals and prescriptions. Then they went to the county health department and got very low-cost birth control. When they were in college, they went to Planned Parenthood. They paid when they could. I donate to P.P. regularly.
When girls are going to be sexually active, it is best if they have an understanding parent to help them obtain birth control.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Agree 100%!
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)self doubt.
Of COURSE you did the right thing.
A private physician would have been OK, too.
roody
(10,849 posts)Archae
(46,335 posts)Most aren't Catholic like yours, but Planned Parenthood scares the snot of them, they like "the little woman" to be docile, obedient like the 50's sitcom women.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)The folks there will provide facts without embarrassment and the teens will tell them the truth in return. If they're sexually active, they might not tell parents about it, but will tell Planned Parenthood, and that organization will give them the information and help they need to avoid unwanted pregnancies and STDs.
If I had a teenager, I'd do it. It's hard for parents and adolescent children to get real on the subject of sex.
OldEurope
(1,273 posts)You're a good parent teaching your children about love, sex and happiness.
Happiness means: no fear.
Here in Germany we don't have your difficulties on birth control, so my daughter got her pill at 15, as we, the parents, did not complain.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)What does your now adult daughter say? Oh, right: "You go, mom." There's your answer.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)I guess that is the bottom line.
Peace!
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)when she was about 16. I came home from work one day, and she was all "Mom, Mom, you're going to be so proud of me. I went down to the clinic and got birth control pills ALL BY MYSELF!" What's a mother to say? On the one hand, yes, I was proud she was being responsible, but on the other hand, MY LITTLE GIRL IS HAVING SEX.
Kind of coincidentally, the boy for whom she took this step was one of the guys who sheet rocked our living room last summer, 23 years later. I had no idea he was the one until I told her about running into him again.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)You raised one smart and responsible girl!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)fizzgig
(24,146 posts)you are a damn good parent.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)They would have really gone nuts if I told them I allowed boyfriends to spend the night. Would even make them breakfast sometimes!
I'd rather have that than have it going on in some parking lot or something.
She is a very well-adjusted and a responsible adult.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Don't listen to those idiots!!!
Everybody has an opinion but it only matters when you live with the results.
In your daughters case I'm sure she's happy u did.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)You're a GREAT parent!
(FWIW, I did the same thing for my 16 yr old daughter)
Kali
(55,014 posts)those old farts are the shitty parents (if they even are parents)
Kath1
(4,309 posts)I am so happy for the support I am getting here. My blood was still boiling this morning. I was so pissed off!
"fuck no, it makes you a GREAT parent" - Love it! Makes me feel like I made the right choice!
Thank you. Peace.
postulater
(5,075 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)But that's OK with me.
--imm
MADem
(135,425 posts)How many families with six to 12 children does one see in Catholic communities nowadays?
A "big" family is four kids, and fifty or sixty years ago a big family would be eight to a dozen, or more.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Hypocrites, all of them. IMO.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)LOL!
I gave up on that a long time ago. Still getting rid of the baggage.
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...Unitarian Universalist congregation I belong to refer to themselves as "recovering" Catholics.
By helping your daughter avoid an unplanned pregnancy, she did not become a parent, nor you a grandparent, before she was ready. Good on you!!!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)people that are angry at anyone having sex that isn't them. You did the right thing. Nothing cripples a young woman's chance at success as having a child when she isn't ready. That's another thing that makes them mad. A successful woman that makes her own choices threatens their lifestyle of relying on women that cater to them while they take all of the credit for their own success.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,636 posts)I knew my daughter would be having sex, just like I did. I DID NOT want it to destroy her future.
And it didn't, with the help of PP.
avebury
(10,952 posts)You cannot be around all of the time and you made sure that your daughter received the correct information to make informed decisions by understanding the concept consequence.
Kudos to you! You were being a great Mom!
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Kath1
(4,309 posts)BTW, love your sig line!
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)Those guys sound like jerks
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)once kids are sexually active, they are. Period. You are just taking steps to prevent teenage pregnancy which would profoundly disrupt your daughters, yours, and the boyfriend's family's lives. While a baby will be wonderful, it will be more wonderful when she is actually ready.
Smart parent.
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)my daughter that if/when she was considering becoming sexually active, I would take her to PP no questions. If she was too embarrassed to ask me, ask her aunt. When she was old enough to drive herself anywhere, I reminded her she no longer needed to ask me.
To this day I have no idea if she went or not. I do know that I am not a grandparent.
I had similar convo with my older sons. They could get condoms for free there or buy them. They could even take their girlfriends there if need be. Still not a grandparent.
Would I like to be a grandparent, sure. But I will love it more when the kids are mature, financially stable and want a baby.
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)Screw the reicht wing narrative. I did the same thing.
calimary
(81,318 posts)Planned Parenthood has been tarred and feathered with all kinds of falsehoods, distortions, lies, and crap. They do GREAT work and it's NOT 100% about abortion. I think the statistic is - a big ol' whopping THREE percent of all Planned Parenthood clinic activities have something to do with abortion. The rest of it is about women's health and intelligent family planning, mammograms, pap smears and such. Counseling of all kinds - about what pertains to the most intimate reaches of a woman's body and psyche. What would a bunch of grumpy old white men know about any of this? Especially considering - back in THEIR day - this stuff just wasn't spoken about in polite company. Hell, they didn't even SAY the word "pregnant" on TV for years - and in far too many of those nice, white, suburban bedrooms, Mom and Dad slept in twin beds.
In my opinion, the opinions about us women and OUR PRIVATE CONCERNS by a bunch of grumpy old white men - are ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY IRRELEVANT and without merit.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Don't worry about about the opinions of the old, very wrong men who made you doubt your parenting skills.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)You are a totally responsible parent. I would have done the same thing if there had been parenthood clinics when my daughter was a teenager. But at that time, there was no such thing.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Like you, I'm from a devout Catholic family. My kids all had children after they had gotten married. All my sisters' and my married brother's kids, every. one. of. them, had a shotgun wedding because they had an unplanned pregnancy. Not that my kids were saints. They tomcatted around, but they knew about safe and responsible sex and planned their families. The rest of my family preached sexual morality and crossed their fingers. About as effective family planning as mare's urine against the Black Death. You did the right thing. You can't dictate your kids' sex lives. But, you can keep their ignorance from causing them to make life-changing choices they're not ready for. My nieces' and nephews' early marriages trapped them in relationships that resulted in dropping out of college for some of them and having more children with partners they really weren't compatible with in the long run.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)"About as effective family planning as mare's urine against the Black Death." Samre thing I thought!
MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)We had two sons; we didn't take them to PP, but we did talk with them and made sure they had condoms.
Always do what's best for your children. Period.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)I always kept condoms in the house, just in case.
Thank you for being responsible with your sons!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)sex. It means she, and you, were prepared for when/if it happened. I have heard the argument that having contraception available means sex is expected, and that it takes away the ability to not have sex because, after all, she probably won't get pregnant. Raising a child, a teen, to be able to stand up for themselves and make their own decision is good parenting. And having the information and necessary means to deal with it physically is also good parenting.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)I means a lot.
I wanted her to make her own informed decisions. And she did. Thanks so much. Her freedom made her a better adult, in my opinion.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)responsible parent. Good for you, and even better for your daughter. I respect that.
TBF
(32,064 posts)I used Planned Parenthood in college and it's the probably the only way I would've known to start getting annual well woman exams (my parents were poor - we didn't go the doctor unless we were very sick). I am going to continue to give them donations because they emphasize the good health of women. That is clearly something repugs are only interested in for their rich selves.
I always give them a donation.
I have always used Planned Parenthood and have always been impressed with the caring and respect they give.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Bad parent!
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Your relatives are idiots.
jen63
(813 posts)I worked retail and starting at age 13 or so, my son always had a fresh box of condoms under his bathroom sink and the reminder to switch out his wallet every month or so. Kids are gonna do, what kids are gonna do. We just need to make sure they do it safely.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Sounds like we are on the same page!
jen63
(813 posts)I had a very open relationship with my son. I even made him sit on the couch and watch a "plan B" commercial. A few months later, I got a call at about 7am asking me if I could get him "some of those pills" because the "rubber broke". Ended up not having to go THAT far for various reasons, but he was a good responsible kid and he knew I would never judge him for any decision that he made.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Regardless of economical circumstances, you made a great choice in the upbringing of your child.
Fuck those assholes that gave you a hard time. If Jesus were alive today he would beg families to take part in the social services available to us, especially Planned Parenthood.
PLANNED!
It's the key word of the organization. Make a plan, be responsible.
You did that, thank you for doing so.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)Your daughter is a fortunate young woman to have a mother that doesn't "freak out" like those people did. They showed you no respect for your opinion or your relationship with your daughter; they deserved all the F-bombs you could drop. They don't have the capacity to have rational discourse, sickening people.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)I sort of regret the loud F-bombs but i was just soooo fucking angry!
They actually had me doubting myself. Thanks.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Since you come from a Catholic background, I'll let you argue with your parish priest about that.
No, I don't think it made you a bad parent. On the contrary, I think it made you a very responsible parent.
My two sons were born in the early eighties. When each was in his med-teens, I gave him a box of condoms. On the day each was born, that was something I never dreamed I would ever do. During the time they were growing up even to that point, we had the AIDS epidemic. That changed the way a lot of us from the generation before our kids' thought about sex. "I want you to come to my funeral someday," I said as I presented the little gift to each of them. "I don't want to have to go to yours."
I have never apologized to anyone for doing that. I have no intention to ever do so.
lexington filly
(239 posts)are or denial. You deserve a pat on the back---atta girl!
sarge43
(28,941 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Kids need to know what they're getting into and how to take precautions. If we had more parents like you we would have less unwanted pregnancies. I agree with your daughter, you go, mom!
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Peace, cui bono!
I was doubting myself even though, in my heart, I made the right decisions.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Stay strong and don't let the judgmental idiots creep into your head.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)About old men going to the doctor for Viagra and Medicare Part D paying for Viagra? For too long we have heard from some people PP should be closed and Rush had a couple shows complaining about paying for BC so women could have sex but still waiting for the complaints about Viagra so men could have sex.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Kath1
(4,309 posts)I was brought up in an ultra-Catholic family. "Contraception" was a dirty word to them.
Much older and wiser now, I realize that birth control is a beautiful thing!
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)You've discarded unreasonable and unhealthy advice for proactive healthcare education for your daughter at a critical time in her life.
Tell the old farts that they 1. they don't know what they are talking about, and 2. they should shut up unless they have vaginas.
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...seen the old farts faces had that exchange occurred! They probably can't even bring them selves to think the word vagina let alone bear to hear someone say it out loud.
genxlib
(5,528 posts)But I will add my vote. You are a great parent.
My daughter is only 12 but she has already gone through a comprehensive sex ed program.
Ignorance of consequences is the fault of parents. You should be proud to raise a responsible daughter.
For what it is worth, she apparently appreciated it too.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Great to hear about your education of your daughter.
The support here means a lot. PEACE!
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I took my sister there when she asked.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)...and fuck those old men
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)...had a best friend who was very very very Catholic. The best friend's middle daughter (of 5) got pregnant at 16. On the way back from visiting her friend and finding out about the pregnancy, my mother told me that if that ever happened to me, not to even bother coming home. I think I was 14 at the time.
I get that my mom was hurting for her friend's pain and angry at her friend's daughter for causing that pain, and she took those feelings out on me. I honestly don't know if she even remembers the conversation, and I suspect she'd be genuinely appalled by the fact that I remember it so vividly 32 years later. And that it's why I never told her about the miscarriage I had at 17.
But it was the ONE AND ONLY TIME the topic of sex, pregnancy, or prevention of same EVER came up between us. Nothing about how not to get pregnant, nothing about sex in the context of relationships, nothing nothing nothing but 'if you get pregnant don't come home.'
You're a FABULOUS parent, and your daughter is lucky to have you.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)My mother was pretty much the same. I really didn't want my daughter to have to deal with that kind of attitude.
Thanks for your reply. My daughter and I have a very close and loving realtionship.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)livingonearth
(728 posts)I know another good parent that did exactly the same thing you did. Don't let others judge you about this.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)LibGranny
(711 posts)think they can decide what is best for all women. I also took both of my teenaged daughters to get birth control because I told them "I'd rather they had it and NOT need it than NEED it and not have it!" Both are now nurses with children and they waited until mid-20s to begin their families.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)"I'd rather they had it and NOT need it than NEED it and not have it!" - My thoughts, exactly!
gerogie2
(450 posts)The family agreed with no birth control and abortion was murder stance of the Church. When my cousin became pregnant at 15 my aunt couldn't get her to PP fast enough to obtain an abortion.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)it was of the utmost importance, if she was not sexually active, learnng about birth control was also of the utmost importance. (I would have encouraged her to wait and not engage in coitus at that age.)
Kath1
(4,309 posts)She was old beyond her age. I knew she was smoking pot. To this day I don't know if she was having sex. Better safe than sorry.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)who was looking out for the best interests of her child. I wish my mother had done the same.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)livetohike
(22,145 posts)Thank you for guiding your daughter in this way .
Lefta Dissenter
(6,622 posts)an alternative would have been to take her for a fitting for a chastity belt.
Once I was married and had kids, I found out that my mom had talked with our family doctor early on, letting him know that if any of us girls asked for birth control, he should provide it. I guess she wasn't ready to be a grandma at that point in her life, and we sure as HELL weren't ready to be moms!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)K&R.
You were being a responsible parent. 16 year old daughters have a rapidly ticking biological clock. Just like every young man in their circle of friends. Certain things are inevitable.
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)I remember one time she asked me to stop by and pick up her prescription. I remember the warm feeling I had that my daughter was able to trust me enough to ask. That would have never flown at my house when I was a teen. Prevention was "don't do that".
My first daughter was adopted out (closed) because the birth mom and I were so young: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024873307
proReality
(1,628 posts)Freddie
(9,267 posts)When my daughter was a young teen she had monthly cramps so bad she'd miss school every month. Doctor told me the "gold standard" to solve the problem was the Pill; problem solved. And when she started dating I could sleep at night knowing that was one less thing to worry about. I checked frequently to make sure she took it every day.
I was ready to take my son's HS girlfriend to PP--discussed it with both of them--but her mother beat me to it.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)humans.
2banon
(7,321 posts)oldest granddaughter is almost 6 six years old, the second going on "3 and 3/4" (lol!)
Those pregnancies were planned, and given that she's in a same sex marriage, there was a lot more involved in the planning process.
The reason why I took her to Planned Parenthood was because I told her, IF she was becoming sexually active, or was planning being sexually active sometime in the near future, that it was better to be on the pill BEFORE anything happened. I told her to just say the word, and I'll take her to the clinic, and I promised no questions asked. She kept her promise, and i kept mine.
One of the few things I did right as a parent of a Teen at the time.
Religious organizations are the enemies of Women. Once you understand that, you'll no longer question the common sense approach to deeply personal decisions Women have to face every day.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that, no matter what, teens are going to have sex, so you may as well arm them with information to protect themselves from disease and pregnancy. Those who believe different are putting their kids at risk.
mcar
(42,334 posts)You are a loving, responsible parent.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)What makes me so mad is the slow(?) disappearance of PP clinics in the red states. They are so desperately needed. For a lot of kids and/or moms it is the only place to get the needed help. There was a time once when people talked about a pill for the male gender. I have never heard of it again, but I am sure, that the guys would love it, and therefore the ACA would be allowed to cover it.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)i did it with my daughter - it was clear she would soon be sexually active and i didn't want her to have to cope with an unwanted pregnancy. she was 16. i had asked her if she was having sex before she did, and she cried and was upset, but within a very few months she came to me and said it's time. no judgment, just reality.
so many of these same people - and i could give examples but suffice it to say i have seen this with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears - when their daughter comes home pregnant, immediately scream for an abortion. it is beyond hypocrisy - it is stupid and unrealistic.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)They really think that every woman who walks through the doors are looking for abortions.
savalez
(3,517 posts)You had your reasons. Your grumpy extended family can suck it.
quarbis
(314 posts)I'm a 66 yo. Ex-seminarian who believes that the 'C'atholic church is nothing but a. Collection of old white men that need to grow and join the Human Race
intaglio
(8,170 posts)I'd actually suggest that the Grumpy Old Men go to Planned Parenthood for some advice.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Don't let anyone tell you any different!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)We said: "We hope you won't need these for awhile, but they're here if you do. Also, if your friends need some, you have them to donate."
We didn't want to be the type of parents who say "Wow, I never imagined my son/daughter would do such a thing and now I'm Grandma/Grandpa!"
Our youngest will get the same information and resources.
Also: MAKE SURE YOUR KIDS KNOW ABOUT AFTER-THE-FACT BIRTH CONTROL! Tell them it's not just "day after" -- it's more like "several days after." And tell them to tell their friends!
Cha
(297,314 posts)Kath1
(4,309 posts)I am so very moved and appreciative for the outpouring of support I got here on DU!
Having been raised Catholic, I had thought I was anti-abortion. Then I had a real scare when I was in my junior year of college. I knew I couldn't deal with it and would have to terminate it. Turned out I was not pregnant but the experience really changed my mind. I was not nearly as anti-abortion as I thought I was! Got to to thinking how thankful I was that I had a choice and that other women should have options, also.
I'm glad I took my daughter to PP at 16. The last thing she needed, or anyone needs, is an unwanted pregnancy. PP did an excellent job in educating her and providing her the means for safe and healthy sex...no judgments, no guilt.
Cha
(297,314 posts)able to put yourself in another's place. It's up to an individual and whomever else she cares to consult.. not the government.
And, PP just makes sense that there would be less heartbreaking decisions needing to be made.
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)" I was only doing what I thought was right."
I have to agree with your daughter: "You go, mom!"
This is from a grumpy old white guy.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You are a great parent! You took your daughter's well being into your hands and put it first. To hell with what anybody else says about it. It sounds like your daughter appreciates your efforts and loves you for it, so I think you absolutely did the right thing here.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)You did the right thing!
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)In fact it can be disastrous to the families of both kids involved. Teens have sexual desires and are going to be kids. Some can wait to act on them until they are out of high school but some can't. The old grumps who call you a bad parent don't remember what it was like to be a kid, with their hormones set on "10", with their tumultuous emotions, and their lack of wisdom that comes with age. To expect all kids to engage in abstinence is unrealistic, especially given today's role models, films, music, and the fact their parents work so much and they spend time alone. I'll bet if you went back in time to the days those grumpy old men were 15 or 16, you'd find they were drooling over young high school girls and trying to get them to do things with them.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)In their eyes you should have been teaching her to be docile and serve a man.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)there to be the act of a responsible and caring, i.e. GOOD parent.
I am blessed in that I do not have relatives like this other than my sister-in-law and we just laugh and call her names behind her bigoted nasty ass.