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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:50 PM Jul 2014

Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution Began in Arizona - TWO HOURS!!! WTF?!?!!!

An inmate's execution with lethal drugs in Arizona today took almost two hours as the man gasped and snorted, prompting his lawyers to request an emergency halt to the procedure.

"The execution of Joseph Wood commenced at 1:57 p.m. at the Arizona State Prison Complex (ASPC)-Florence and he was pronounced dead at 3:49 p.m.," Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne said in a statement.

Wood's attorneys filed a motion for emergency stay of the execution after Wood was reported “gasping and snorting for more than an hour,” according to court documents they filed. Justice Anthony Kennedy denied the appeal about a half hour after Wood's death, the Associated Press reported. An AP reporter who witnessed the execution saw Wood gasp more than 600 times before he died.

"The experiment using midazolam combined with hydromorphone to carry out an execution failed today in Arizona. It took Joseph Wood two hours to die, and he gasped and struggled to breath for about an hour and forty minutes," said Dale Baich, one of Joseph Wood’s attorneys.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-execution-takes-hours-prompts-plea-stay/story?id=24687542

How is this not cruel and unusual punishment?
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Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution Began in Arizona - TWO HOURS!!! WTF?!?!!! (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 OP
Jesus fucking christ what the fuck is wrong with us? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #1
..... Lochloosa Jul 2014 #4
Yep cruel and unusual...and wtf if this keeping secrets? Rex Jul 2014 #6
Sad how barbaric conservatives have become, no doubt rejoicing in the suffering of others. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #52
Why can't they at least put them to sleep first? marlakay Jul 2014 #2
And 2 minutes for a police murder of Eric Garner on the sidewalk in Staten Island. enough Jul 2014 #3
Not cruel and unusual etherealtruth Jul 2014 #5
But but but Governor Brewer malaise Jul 2014 #7
OMG etherealtruth Jul 2014 #10
Double murderer and rapist. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #8
America is better than that...we shouldnt kill anyone randys1 Jul 2014 #9
What a shock! How progressive of you! nt Logical Jul 2014 #12
I'm sorry that I have different positions on different issues. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #18
Look at the other countries who still do it vs. those... Logical Jul 2014 #22
Yes, I've heard this argument before. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #26
Lol, you pick japan! Want me to ask you about a few? Some people are.... Logical Jul 2014 #30
I was giving you China, Iran, Arabia etc. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #40
All pro DP people want revenge, no study shows any deterrent with it. Only... Logical Jul 2014 #43
Yeah but lynch victims got no trial. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #44
Classy, and really stupid considering how many people have been released off..... Logical Jul 2014 #46
Considering Japan's cruel and barbaric "custom" of massacring whales and dolphins MoonRiver Jul 2014 #48
So I must conclude you are just fine with innocent people being executed... Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #54
No. I'm not. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #58
We will NEVER get to 100 percent accuracy. Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #59
You say that because you just don't want it. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #60
You are living in a dream world. Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #61
An emotional response supporting revenge. flvegan Jul 2014 #13
"No sympathy from me." Oh, such a tough guy. Heartless, but tough. morningfog Jul 2014 #14
Sweet jeebus, the people you meet on a liberal web site... Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2014 #17
You'd agree with me on 90% of things. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #20
We'd all probably agree with everyone on 90% of things. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2014 #29
Answer me this Pete. trumad Jul 2014 #37
Probably at some point. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #45
So your OK with the few who got it and they were innocent? trumad Jul 2014 #49
Yea, he murders 2 and the Arizona gov. only murdered 1 Maraya1969 Jul 2014 #33
Which is of course, the catalyst for many of these actions in the first place... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #39
Correct. PeteSelman Jul 2014 #47
Any society that would allow this, has got it coming to them. RagAss Jul 2014 #11
ENOUGH! This has got to end. morningfog Jul 2014 #15
wonder if one or more of those drugs are bogus?. give the people in jail waiting to die, a choice to Sunlei Jul 2014 #16
This is what puzzles me. JohnyCanuck Jul 2014 #19
From what I've heard, that doesn't always go so well either. progressoid Jul 2014 #23
Jan Brewer says they'll flamingdem Jul 2014 #21
Federal judge ordered the county coroner to preserve the body and tissues. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2014 #24
This is a continued sign the country is on its way to disintegration....... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #57
Was he conscious? If not, what difference does it make? badtoworse Jul 2014 #25
it's torture spanone Jul 2014 #27
You either support the Eighth Amendment, or you don't. Paladin Jul 2014 #28
I too support the eighth amendment, NM_Birder Jul 2014 #31
We'll just have to differ over "cruel and unusual." Paladin Jul 2014 #35
a Democrat can be pro-death penalty. NM_Birder Jul 2014 #55
I think you and I agree on most things. Paladin Jul 2014 #56
I can't believe the year is 2014 and we forgot how to kill people snooper2 Jul 2014 #32
One of those drugs is an opiate and the other a benzodiazepine. I take them everyday Maraya1969 Jul 2014 #34
"The experiment" G_j Jul 2014 #36
I have a hard time getting worked up over the DP. Calista241 Jul 2014 #38
You do realize that innocent people have been out to death. trumad Jul 2014 #50
Yay, another one. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2014 #51
I'd be in favor of the firing squad. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #41
We have become a cruel nation. oldandhappy Jul 2014 #42
We can put a dog down humanely in under 2 minutes Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #53
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. Jesus fucking christ what the fuck is wrong with us?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:53 PM
Jul 2014

This poor person's lawyers begged to courts to lift the wall of secrecy surrounding Arizona's execution process so that it could be examined to make sure it was NOT CRUEL AND UNUSUAL.

We are fucking monsters.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. Yep cruel and unusual...and wtf if this keeping secrets?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:00 PM
Jul 2014

Scalia probably had no problem with denying his stay. Barbaric, really cannot get around the fact that the DP is barbaric and something uncivilized by any standards we pretend to live by.

Here in Texas, our governor is proud of how many executions we rack up a year. Proud.

marlakay

(11,476 posts)
2. Why can't they at least put them to sleep first?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:56 PM
Jul 2014

Like a dentist pulling teeth, count backwards from ten and you never make it to five...

I hate death penalty but there is no excuse for this...

We might as well throw stones like in Rome and charge money, pay tv. That seems to be what our insane society wants...ugh!!!!!

enough

(13,259 posts)
3. And 2 minutes for a police murder of Eric Garner on the sidewalk in Staten Island.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jul 2014

Something very wrong indeed.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
7. But but but Governor Brewer
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:10 PM
Jul 2014

Read these comments

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/arizona-killer-still-alive-an-hour-after-execution-begins

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-execution-takes-two-hours-to-finish/
<snip>
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said in a statement that she was "concerned by the length of time" it took Wood to die. She said she has ordered the Department of Corrections to conduct a complete review of the execution process.

"One thing is certain, however, inmate Wood died in a lawful manner and by eyewitness and medical accounts he did not suffer. This is in stark comparison to the gruesome, vicious suffering that he inflicted on his two victims - and the lifetime of suffering he has caused their family," the governor said.

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and the family
Family members of the victims said they had no problems with the way the execution was carried out.

"This man conducted a horrific murder and you guys are going, let's worry about the drugs," said Richard Brown. "Why didn't they give him a bullet, why didn't we give him Drano?"
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The word is BARBARIAN.

Rachel is on this now

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
8. Double murderer and rapist.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jul 2014

No sympathy from me.

If they would just use a mechanical guillotine or a simple .45 slug behind the ear, this could all be avoided. But no , we have to have bloodless executions so this is what you get.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
9. America is better than that...we shouldnt kill anyone
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jul 2014

But we do, and like George Carlin said, we usually kill Brown people, and it is a good thing we are good at it, we arent much good at anything else anymore...

Based on this story, seems we arent even good at killing people anymore...

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
18. I'm sorry that I have different positions on different issues.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:39 PM
Jul 2014

Actually, I'm not sorry. Like most people, I have positions all over the political spectrum. I'm liberal/progressive on most things. I just happen to be in the pro-DP camp on this one.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
26. Yes, I've heard this argument before.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 09:22 AM
Jul 2014

Just apply the broken clock rule. Not everything they do is wrong.

What do you think of Japan?

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
40. I was giving you China, Iran, Arabia etc.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 11:15 AM
Jul 2014

As the broken clock countries.

I just wondered if you thought Japan was as bad as they, considering the Japanese have capital punishment too.

Did you hear the family members of the victims? I suppose they are "vengeful" too. Of course they are. Most people would be.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
43. All pro DP people want revenge, no study shows any deterrent with it. Only...
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jul 2014

Revenge. It is more expensive, etc.

The lynch mobs were popular 150 years ago also.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
44. Yeah but lynch victims got no trial.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jul 2014

This latest asshole did. What has that to do with anything?

It wouldn't be more expensive if they would just shoot the bastards after the verdict.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
46. Classy, and really stupid considering how many people have been released off.....
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jul 2014

Death row over the years. Are you sure you have thought more that 5 minutes on this topic???

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

You scare the shit out of me.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
48. Considering Japan's cruel and barbaric "custom" of massacring whales and dolphins
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jul 2014

I am NOT surprised.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
54. So I must conclude you are just fine with innocent people being executed...
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jul 2014

because it has happened MANY times in the past and it will keep happening if we continue with this barbaric policy.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
58. No. I'm not.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 05:37 PM
Jul 2014

I think it's terribly unfortunate. But as we get better with the DNA and all the chances lessen to the point where it doesn't happen. That's the past.

Besides, I'm only for executing the absolutely guilty. The open and closed, no doubt about it cases. Caught red handed or on video or confessions such as the cop killer in jersey city last week.

If there's any doubt, you can rot in jail until guilt or innocence can be proved.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
59. We will NEVER get to 100 percent accuracy.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jul 2014

Never.

People lie, people make mistakes, and people plant evidence because they have an agenda. People even confess falsely because they are worn down, under duress, having a mental breakdown, what have you. It happens, and you'll never be able to stop it 100 percent of the time.

After people are wrongfully executed, it's obviously just too late to rectify.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
14. "No sympathy from me." Oh, such a tough guy. Heartless, but tough.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:11 PM
Jul 2014

We should have no executions. Period. Welcome to the 21st century, chap.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
20. You'd agree with me on 90% of things.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:42 PM
Jul 2014

One doesn't have to be all one way to qualify as a liberal. And really, I don't care what anyone thinks, else I'd just not say anything. I won't hide a position just because people will disagree. I just say how I feel. Isn't that what this is all about?

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,841 posts)
29. We'd all probably agree with everyone on 90% of things.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 09:37 AM
Jul 2014

There are a few basic liberal/progressive principals and one is anti-capital punishment.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
45. Probably at some point.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:34 PM
Jul 2014

But I wouldn't excite anyone without 100% certainty of guilt. The movie theater shooter in Colorado for example. Or the douche that shot Gabby Giffords.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
49. So your OK with the few who got it and they were innocent?
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jul 2014

See Pete---that's why the pro-death penalty folks have no moral ground to stand on.

You can't pick or choose---it's either full death penalty or none at all.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
33. Yea, he murders 2 and the Arizona gov. only murdered 1
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 10:17 AM
Jul 2014

What people do not understand about the death penalty is it the exact same crime that most of the people they murder did .

I want to know why most don't refer to it as murder just because 12 people and a judge decide to do it.

And I don't care what the person did. To kill that person is murder.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
39. Which is of course, the catalyst for many of these actions in the first place...
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jul 2014

"No sympathy from me..."

Which is of course, the catalyst for many of these actions in the first place. But no doubt you'll rationalize yours as righteous...

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
47. Correct.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jul 2014

I don't advocate killing for fun or becUse I'm a maniac. I advocate it for justice and punishment.

Big difference.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
16. wonder if one or more of those drugs are bogus?. give the people in jail waiting to die, a choice to
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:24 PM
Jul 2014

self suicide with a massive heroin overdose.

And test those drugs, some one sells the state 20k vials of colored water.

JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
19. This is what puzzles me.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:42 PM
Jul 2014

Veterinarians routinely euthanize animals from kittens to horses when necessary in what I have always been lead to believe was a humane, painless manner with no discomfort caused by the drug(s) used and in a process that takes only a few minutes. So how come it is such a difficult task to sort out how to do the same thing with a death row inmate when the time comes? Maybe someone with a medical background can offer some insight.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
23. From what I've heard, that doesn't always go so well either.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jul 2014

Retired vet told me once. Sometimes it doesn't go as planned.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
24. Federal judge ordered the county coroner to preserve the body and tissues.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 01:32 AM
Jul 2014

Tonite on MSNBC they said the coroner said he would not follow that order.

Then they'll have a show cause hearing and I wanna see the coroner UNDER the jail for contempt of court.

You DO NOT CROSS a Federal judge. They are the princes of the realm.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
57. This is a continued sign the country is on its way to disintegration.......
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jul 2014

This isn't the first time we have seen local law enforcement and/or other state officials refuse to follow a federal judge's order.

When inferior entities such as law enforcement agencies, coroner's offices, etc. openly refuse to comply with a court order the whole system collapses. Judges know they have limited means to enforce their orders. They rely completely on an ordered society for this to work.

When individuals take it upon themselves to decide what they will comply with and what they won't you have total lawlessness. That is lawlessness. While I disagree with EOs, I don't believe they rise to the level of lawlessness.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
28. You either support the Eighth Amendment, or you don't.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 09:31 AM
Jul 2014

If you don't, you've positioned yourself in Dick Cheney Territory. Enjoy your stay.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
31. I too support the eighth amendment,
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 10:03 AM
Jul 2014

but you do realize the eighth amendment supports the use of the death penalty right ?

I'm not for draw and quartering, or burning alive, or even desecrating a grave. I think the most humane thing would be to poison their last meal, my preference on the other hand would be the hangman's noose, just before their last meal. I've never understood the treat of a good meal just before being executed.

An error, resulting is suffering at execution is neither cruel nor unusual punishment.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
35. We'll just have to differ over "cruel and unusual."
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 10:24 AM
Jul 2014

With all the resources at its disposal, I just don't think the government should be making repeated errors like this. You see how it brings out the "bread and circuses" crowd, even on a Democratic site like this.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
55. a Democrat can be pro-death penalty.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jul 2014


I'm on board with "quick and painless". A vicious dog is put down because it cannot be trusted to not harm again, same goes for people.

I agree, the primary goal should be the removal of the problem, not the comfort of the problem's experience. Nothing is "error free", so lengthen the drop distance to 12' and a hanging is pretty humane.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
56. I think you and I agree on most things.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jul 2014

Although from what I've read over the years, hanging is at least as problematic as injecting some more-or-less lethal drugs.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
32. I can't believe the year is 2014 and we forgot how to kill people
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 10:06 AM
Jul 2014

Maybe we need to go old school and borrow an active volcano from somebody

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
34. One of those drugs is an opiate and the other a benzodiazepine. I take them everyday
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jul 2014

Some people take a LOT of the stuff so they would be much more tolerant than someone who never used them.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
38. I have a hard time getting worked up over the DP.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jul 2014

Considering who gets the punishment.

IMO there are a zillion other things we would want to do first to improve our society before tackling the deaths of 100 or so pitiful excuses for humanity that get executed every year.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,841 posts)
51. Yay, another one.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jul 2014

Part of me would love to see the prioritized list of social improvements favored by those who come here to support the DP.
The other part would rather keep its breakfast down.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
42. We have become a cruel nation.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 11:27 AM
Jul 2014

I would request a firing squad but do not know if death penalty prisoners have any rights to choose method of death. This drug business is nasty.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
53. We can put a dog down humanely in under 2 minutes
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jul 2014

but we suck so badly at killing humans that it takes two hours?

They might as well simply have slit his wrists and let him bleed out after sedating him. It would have been far faster.

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