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This is going to be a long, long, loooonnnnnnnng primary season.
... establishment."
If you want to do a comparison of the Clinton and Warren economic record, let's do it.
"Someone who HAS a record vs. someone who's only talked a good game."
Hmmm?
But I DO recall the wailing and gnashing of teeth on the left when Obama admitted to being a New Democrat, and the constant whining about him from 'proooooogresssivvveees' ever since.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x119115
Hmmm?
Bye.
All aboard!
That was weak.
This was actually starting to amuse me. 
Got another totally vague link you can read that into then share with us?
Dick Durbin: Banks "Frankly Own The Place"
“If you’re caught with an ounce of cocaine, the chances are good you’re going to jail. Evidently, if you launder nearly $1 billion for drug cartels and violate our international sanctions, your company pays a fine and you go home and sleep in your own bed at night.”
- Elizabeth Warren
I could give it a shot, but would probably screw it up by using "facts" and/or "logic".
Fox News and Talk Radio
Extremism and conflict make for bad politics but great TV. Over the past two decades, conservatism has evolved from a political philosophy into a market segment. An industry has grown up to serve that segment—and its stars have become the true thought leaders of the conservative world. The business model of the conservative media is built on two elements: provoking the audience into a fever of indignation (to keep them watching) and fomenting mistrust of all other information sources (so that they never change the channel). As a commercial proposition, this model has worked brilliantly in the Obama era. As journalism, not so much. As a tool of political mobilization, it backfires, by inciting followers to the point at which they force leaders into confrontations where everybody loses, like the summertime showdown over the debt ceiling.
But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics.
http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/index2.html
Unless you want more of this fucked up shit we've got now.......
You are correct that she is being portrayed as unstable as a woman. Anyone who has dwelt within a female body knows the misogynist construct being used very well. The PMS smear comes to mind. How many times has the right tried to demonize her and how many CT outlets carry water for them?
As Obama's SOS, she followed his new paradigm, and there will be no new wars. He's been steadily acclimatizing the MIC and Americans into a different way of doing things.
And the quote about Iran is *always* edited. Hillary said if Iran was to make a *nuclear* attack on Israel they would be obliterated. That's what she said, but they leave the word nuclear out, always. That one word edited out changes it all as most people hearing it knows what she meant. She said that before the transformative presidency of Obama, who got Iran to sign onto the CWC which was held over Syria's head and it includes nukes.
She was in no way advocating *starting a war* no more than Obama was going to invade Syria.
And the link saying Clinton was being blackmailed by Israel over Pollard by using mythical all-knowing Israeli intelligence on Lewinsky doesn't match up. People ascribe an almost supernatural quality to everything about Israel, who cannot even stop Hamas from bombing it!
The link alleging blackmail, that said Bill was *so* scared, didn't get Pollard released, did it?
Even if it was true, it would not make sense for Hillary to bow to further attempts at blackmail, when her husband didn't give in either.
I believe she *was* bitter over how her husband's agenda was derailed from Day One, and how her ideas were treated, trying to work with the Gingrich majority on healthcare and the rights of children. I don't think she is bitter now, she has found her place. But they have reason to fear what she was intending then, and what she'll do now to stop their anti-female agenda continuing.
It can be her time to transform the world through women, and that's going to bring down a lot of the power structures that are howling now. Uplifting half the world's population is a great danger to the status quo than any corporation.
Cheap speculations are being made that don't match reality, only CT. Just as with Pollard. He is eligible to be released from his life sentence by law, November 21, 2015, but maybe not be released. So neither Clinton was so frightened and or spineless, neither is Obama.
If Pollard's good time is taken into account in 2015, no doubt the next thing claimed will be that Hillary has been paid off by AIPAC and given the presidency by Israel, since they are supposed to own the USA and the Democrats are all blind followers. If the Democrats are part of an Israeli 'scheme,' they are ineffective collaboraters. They could've sent troops from Anerica already.
This stuff is covered by the TOS, and it's getting old. Recycling Scaife material for those who didn't hear it the first ten times or more is more than tiresome.
Meh.