More than 2,000,000 kids live in homes with unsecured guns...

[doxydad]

[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. "EVERYTOWN.ORG" Isn't that the GOP billionaire's group that keeps getting republicans elected?

[PowerToThePeople]

2. Ban all guns!! n/t

[oneshooter]

3. And how do you propose to do it? n/t

[IronGate]

13. Won't answer.

Stock pronouncement is "Ban all guns" but when asked how, all that's heard is crickets.

[Skittles]

68. perhaps they find it pointless

arguing with people who cannot even admit we have a fucking problem

[doxydad]

7. AGREED!

The 2nd amendment was for a militia, not some ass hat waving a pistol around!

[IronGate]

11. So, again, how do you propose to eliminate the 2A,

and the more than 300 million firearms in private citizen's hands without igniting an uprising against party that tries to legislate that?
How many firearms owners would actually comply with any such law?
How long before the SCOTUS struck down such a law as being unconstitutional?

[hack89]

16. So you disagree with the president and the Democratic Party platform?

they both say the 2A protects an individual right.

[Doctor_J]

27. I disagree with them on many things

Guns for Everyone, Private Health Insurance Mandates (Heritage Care), Private Prisons, Race To The Bottom, TPP, and so on. So what?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. Ban all...

...tyrants.

[Eleanors38]

63. "no one wants to take your guns away."

[conservaphobe]

4. K&R for the safety of our children. nt

[Arkansas Granny]

5. And how many of them are killed or injured each year by these unsecured guns?

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/safety/a/gun-accidents.htm

In 2007, there were 122 unintentional firearm deaths in children, and an additional 3,060 nonfatal gun and shooting accidents, which resulted in an estimated 1,375 children needing to be hospitalized for their injuries. Unintentional firearm deaths in children have remained at about the same levels since, with 114 deaths in children and teens less than age 18 in 2010.

More at link.

[doxydad]

8. If it's ONE..

then it's too many.

[former9thward]

25. Do you say that about child car deaths?

[Logical]

41. Really dumb comparison. And I am fine with guns. n-t

[former9thward]

47. No, its not a dumb comparison.

In society we make value judgments. Yes, we could eliminate child deaths by banning autos. But we don't do that because the auto is essential to our economy and so we accept deaths from that. The same is true for guns. Yes, some people will misuse guns and there will be accidents with guns but they are a fundamental right and so society accepts there will be deaths.

[Logical]

49. Cars main use is not to damage things! Get it yet? I am fine with guns....

And own them and have my CC license but they are not like a fucking car or a swimming pool. Anyone who thinks they are is an idiotic gun owner!

They require a MUCH MUCH different level of responsibility!

Your types scare the shit out of me!

[former9thward]

52. Guns are a tool, no more, no less.

Anyone should use tools responsibly. Any tool can injure or even kill if not used responsibly. I absolutely reject that guns have a responsibility level much higher than cars. Cars (minus suicides) kill far more than guns. Someone driving something weighing two tons and going 65 mph in all sorts of conditions better know what they are doing.

[Logical]

54. Lol, you amuse me! Nt

[Skittles]

67. nothing amusing about them

[Skittles]

66. NRAspeak

[otohara]

51. Only When The Child

accidentally finds the keys, starts the car and drives off hitting his sibling.

I get so tired of reading about these senseless deaths of children as young as 5 killing their sibling with the unsecured family car.

[HuckleB]

21. Grrrrrrr.

There is just no reason for this to occur.

[msongs]

6. reflects the mentality of millions of gun owners. nt

[sadoldgirl]

9. Is there a neutral source for this kind of statistic?

[Bragi]

12. There used to be govt stats, but the NRA-GOP killed them

There used to be gun harm stats collected by the CDC and other government agencies, but the NRA-GOP got these stats and studies stopped more than a decade ago.

[IronGate]

14. No, that's not true at all.

The CDC is still free to post unbiased stats, they're not allowed to advocate for one side or the other.

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/data_stats/index.html

[Bragi]

19. Actually, you're right, and wrong

I'm not a close follower of this issue, but I note (from google) that Obama did apparently reinstate CDC stats (17 years after the ban) after Sandy Hook.

Here's a relevant article:

CDC Ban on Gun Research Caused Lasting Damage
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-ban-gun-research-caused-lasting-damage/story?id=18909347

(Incidentally, the CDC page you linked to has no information I could see on gun violence stats.)

[aikoaiko]

45. I never understood why the CDC just didn't collect and report data without policy statements.

The data would speak for themselves.

[X_Digger]

15. Err.. you mean like the CDC's WISQARS program? That's still going.. that details these things?

Free link: http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html

All it would have taken is a cursory search. Or just ignore and listen to propaganda.

[Bragi]

20. Are there gun violence stats there?

I don't see any.

[hack89]

22. When you search firearms are an option for both deaths and accidents nt

[X_Digger]

23. Then you didn't look very hard.

Click on 'learn more and query fatal injury data' or 'nonfatal injury data'. You can query based on age, race, state, intent, cause of death or injury.. which includes firearms, both for fatal and nonfatal.

[Bragi]

24. So I can query a database! Hah!

There's transparency for you.

Anyway, I applaud Obama for allowing CDC to at least resume publishing gun violence stats (albeit in a database format) after the NRA-GOP had banned any stats at all for 17 years.

And that's it from me on this topic. Have the last word, and a nice day!

[X_Digger]

48. It never stopped. It was always there, regardless of what the brady bunch claimed. n/t

[Eleanors38]

64. Why, the Brady Center: Straight-line GOP. nt

[IronGate]

10. M. Bloomberg's astro turfed minions?

[aikoaiko]

17. Fear!!!

Can you smell it?

[former9thward]

26. What a nice round number!

Two million -- another internet made up statistic. They should have said Ten million. That would sound even better....

[Doctor_J]

28. err...it says MORE THAN 2,000,000

that include 2,000,001 up to probably 2,999,999. Not very round at all.

[former9thward]

34. Yes, because it is a total guess.

Based on nothing.

[upaloopa]

30. The people who I knew of that had guns in their home

for self defense would not lock them up feeling the need to get at them in a hurry. In some cases they had multiple guns in various rooms loaded and ready to use in self defense. These folks had kids who could reach the guns if they tried. The need to get to the guns and use them quickly was stronger than their concern that their kids would be harmed if they got hold of the guns. This is in my opinion a realistic case of gun nuttery.
The desire to protect their family with a gun blinded them from the very real threat they posed to their family by loaded guns laying around where kids could getting at them.

[Skip Intro]

31. More Bloomberg anti-2nd Amendment propgaganda for the gullible.

These guys have already been caught twisting figures to create a false reality from which they seek to disarm law-abiding Americans (because the lawless will not give a damn what new laws are passed).

Next.

[IronGate]

32. Yep.

They classify as children in the house from age 1 all the way up to 25. All they care about is if a child is in the house, not the age of that child, gotta pad the numbers to make it look worse than it really is.

It might be more believable if there were more unbiased sources to back this bogus claim up.

[VScott]

35. Sometimes they can be tragically amusing.

Like the time they included the name of Boston Marathon Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev (and criminals shot by police), as
"victims of gun violence" during one of their dog and pony traveling sideshows...

Bloomberg group regrets naming Tamerlan Tsarnaev a gun violence victim

The organizers of Michael Bloomberg’s gun control group has issued an apology for naming Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev as a victim of gun violence during a demonstration in Concord, N.H., on Tuesday.

Members of Mayors Against Illegal Guns read the names of those killed with guns since the Sandy Hook massacre outside their “No More Names” bus in front of the New Hampshire state Capitol, the New Hampshire Union Leader reported.

New York State Assemblyman Kieran Lalor also released a statement, saying the group named other criminals, as well as suicides.

“Bloomberg’s apology is disingenuous at best,” he said. “He has been misleading the American people to score political points. A quick look at the list would have revealed there were many criminals on it. It includes a man shot by police while threatening to kill a two-year-old girl he had snatched from her mother in a parking lot. This is a group that doesn’t distinguish between a gun being used to save a kidnapped child and the victim of a crime. They’re just concerned about making a political statement.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/19/bloomberg-group-apologizes-after-naming-tamerlan-t/


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[CreekDog]

37. Is Bloomberg required to support the 2nd amendment?

When you posted here against birthright citizenship, you opposed the 14th amendment. By this standard Youre criticizing Bloomberg for what you did yourself.

[Skip Intro]

55. link? n/t

[CreekDog]

56. so you support birthright citizenship for all those born in the USA?

the reason you're asking for a link is because you're challenging the idea that you have ever said otherwise.

or you still oppose birthright citizenship, but for some reason, need proof that you actually stated something to that effect.

[Skip Intro]

57. link? n/t

[CreekDog]

60. not unless you answer.

but the thing is, it's there. so has your mind changed or do you still oppose birthright citizenship?

like i said, you're taking Bloomberg to task for not supporting the 2nd Amendment, but how can you take him to task for that when you didn't even support the 14th Amendment?

you won't answer any of this, for some reason, not wanting to offer an opinion on the questions.

probably because it wouldn't put you in too good a light among DUers.

[Skip Intro]

61. no link? n/t

[CreekDog]

62. sure there's a link

why do you need a link, what are you disputing?

[Skip Intro]

69. no link. n/t

[CreekDog]

70. why are you afraid to say your opinion on birthright citizenship?

[Skip Intro]

71. no link. n/t

[NYC_SKP]

58. Prepare to be sidetracked into an endless subthread of wonder.

Er, rather not. Many of us know better.

And yes, thanks for knowing what's really happening here and calling MAIG, et al., for what they are.

Right wing authoritarian astroturfing liars.

[Skip Intro]

59. Yeah, from 2A to birthright citizenship already, lol.

I've been on the CD tour before, endless bs, sprinkled with accusations of being a racist. Never addressing the topic at hand. Attacking the character of anyone who disagrees with him. Hate seeing anyone else sucked into that pit.

Asking for proof of his bullshit pretty much exposes what he's up to, though, because he's never able to back up his attacks. Only a few like him left it seems.

Enough talk of that.

Cheers to you NYC_SKP!

[Turbineguy]

33. And

therefore more than 1,999,972.6 of them didn't get shot today. So there you go.

Guns are safe.

Pretty safe.

Safe enough.

OK, maybe not all that safe.

[appal_jack]

36. I live in a state where locked storage with children in house is mandatory

I live in a state where locked storage with children in house is mandatory, and I have no problem with that law. Right now, I own one safe that sits in my basement, and I am ordering two more portable, quick-access safes for pistols to be kept separately.

These guns will not be unloaded though. Neither the law nor common sense dictates that. Unloaded self-defense firearms are paperweights.

-app

[CreekDog]

38. Look at all the posters so upset that someone said there are unsecured guns

In homes with children across the country.

It's as if someone said the sky was green, so incredulous are they.

How dare anyone say some number of guns are unsecured! How dare they!

[IronGate]

39. Perhaps YOU can explain where everytown.org came up with

this number?
Do you have a link to their poll/survey?
Or better yet, how about an unbiased poll/survey?

[Logical]

40. Any accidental shooting resulting in an injury should be jail time. b-t

[IronGate]

43. And loss of your 2A right. nt.

[Logical]

44. I agree 100%. n-t

[aikoaiko]

42. Free gun safes for all gun owners!

[ManiacJoe]

46. WA state encourages safes by exempting them from the sales tax.

There is no excuse for unsecured storage, which can take many forms.

[aikoaiko]

50. That is good for WA. I recommend them as baby shower gifts.

I travel with a loaded gun, but keep it secure in a quick access combination lock box like the one below. This one is inexpensive at $30 and guaranteed to keep children away from the gun, but allow access to a loaded weapon in 5 seconds.

Secure - It Handgun Storage Safe with Combo Lock



This one is a little more expensive ($225), but worth it for even faster access to a loaded weapon. Biometric access is 2 secs.

Gunvault MVB500 Microvault Biometric Pistol Gun Safe


I also use a pushbutton mechanical lock box for one at home from Amsec. It cost $125 and I actually gave one of these as a baby shower gift. My .357 lives in there.
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My next one safe will probably be one of these so that I can keep a loaded AR at easy reach. It will live on my chest of drawers and I'll probably put my TV on top of it. Its about $400.

[ManiacJoe]

53. Excellent idea!

[Eleanors38]

65. Watch out! Gun porn, there.