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TULSA, Okla. The citys police chief had strong words of warning Saturday for the man behind the shootings that left three people dead and two more critically wounded: Were coming for you.
Chief Chuck Jordan described the attacks, all of which occurred early Friday, as vicious and cowardly.
All five victims were black, leaving Tulsas black community on edge.
Were all nervous, said Renaldo Works, 52, who was getting his hair cut at the crowded Charlies Angels Forever Hair Style Shop on Saturday morning.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tulsa-shootings-police-chief-warns-man-shot-5-black-men-coming-article-1.1058079
madokie
(51,076 posts)We/they had a big race riot that took many lives in 1921 and no one wants to see that happen again, you can bet on that. I wasn't alive then but both my parents were and they've told us kids all the stories first hand. My mother was a kid of 11 and my dad was a young man of 24. They remembered this up to the day they both died. It was ugly, it was due to false accusations and no one around here, who like me had parents who lived this, wants to see it happen again. I suspect they'll have this person/s in a short while. We might can be called backward by some but dumb not by anyone.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)It seems pretty unlikely this is just a coincidence, though I expect some people will want to cling to that.
The Chief cannot afford to do that.
I live in LA, I know all about race riots. I remember flying into LA in 1992 when the Rodney King trial went down, and being told by a Stew she wasn't sure if they were going to let us land.
I never had the sense of overt, angry racism in Oklahoma that I did in Texas and some other states in the deep south, it reminds me more of Virgina, but I'm white and from the left coast, so I wouldn't really know the score.
Incidentally, if you want a good book about the LA riots:
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qsort=p&isbn=0688024025&siteID=GwEz7vxblVU-vg85jQzq8PL8Q8TVlRPIFw&_ptid=GwEz7vxblVU-vg85jQzq8PL8Q8TVlRPIFw&cm_mmc=affiliates-_-GwEz7vxblVU-vg85jQzq8PL8Q8TVlRPIFw-_-na-_-na
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Hitch-hiked through the place many, many years ago with the wife. Every person who gave us a ride asked what sort of gun I had on me, expressed considerable amazement when the reply was none, and proceeded then to display what they had on them or in the car. One fellow, who had several in the trunk, both long guns and pistols, seemed on the verge of just giving me one of the pistols, out of sheer solicitude for a stranger....
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Although it is too flat for my taste, people treated me well there. I spent a lot of time there, some time ago, and I still have fond memories of the place, plus a variety of "club" membership cards. They do like their guns and steaks. Lots of road kill too, but armadillos are pretty dumb.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)And these were all 'Okie from Muskogee' types to look at them, and we were, to put it mildly, hippie-looking types....
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Some of the best people I ever knew were rednecks, and they knew how to party. You can't judge a book by it's cover.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Or at least right outside of Tulsa. I didn't really have much use for the people there. My experience was it was perhaps the most unfriendly place I have ever lived except for El Paso (which is hands down the most unfriendliest). I didn't have much use for the Tulsa cops.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Outliers of the Ozark Mountains extend into parts of northeastern Oklahoma, and the Ouachita Mountains in the southeast can be quite rugged
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Love the Ozarks, but so far away ...
Nice pic.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)More pictures here:
http://www.travelok.com/listings/view.profile/id.5614
Western Oklahoma can be a quite flat in many places, but Eastern Oklahoma has a lot of hills.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)http://www.eurekasprings.org/
Cherokee Turnpike;
http://www.okhighways.com/cherokee.html
If I was looking to move East, that's where I'd be looking, or the Appalachians.
(Thanks.)
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)It's got bikers, hippies, New Agers, artists, musicians, religious fundamentalists, and tourists! And the last time I was there, there was still not a single traffic light in the town-- although one of these days, they might have to put one up at the intersection of US62 and Arkansas 23
And I've been on that Cherokee Turnpike a few times, but I think the road it replaced, Oklahoma 33, is much more scenic
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)your fate
i remember a time when a young man could get 3000 miles in a few days
but had he pressed one upon you
and had you taken it
given the vagaries of the police in those times
you would likely have refated yourself to the life of an oklahoma felon
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)The thing of it was, they all seemed genuinely to believe we faced serious risk only a firearm might protect us against, whereas we did not feel we were running any particular risk at all, and indeed, never ran into anything I would have called trouble.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)for all the miles i had nothing but good encounters
a different and in some ways better world back then
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Cool story.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Hippies were tourists, weekenders, in my circles.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)is because of the memory of that riot of '21.
We have a lot of racism and some ugly racism directed towards our very good President around here.
Some people will cut their nose off to spite their faces. I'm not one of them.
Thanks for the link, I will check it out as a refresher course.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)niyad
(113,336 posts)Tulsa race riot
The Tulsa Race Riot was a large-scale racially motivated conflict, May 31 - June 1, 1921, between the white and black communities of Tulsa, Oklahoma, in which the wealthiest African-American community in the United States, the Greenwood District also known as 'The Negro Wall St' [1] was burned to the ground. Aerial fire bombing of black residential neighborhoods was reported. During the 16 hours of the assault, over 800 people were admitted to local hospitals with injuries, more than 6,000 Greenwood residents were arrested and detained at three local facilities.[2] An estimated 10,000 were left homeless, and 35 city blocks composed of 1,256 residences were destroyed by fire. The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Department of Vital Statistics was 36, but other estimates of black fatalities have been up to about 300.[2]
The events of the riot were omitted from local and state history; "The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was rarely mentioned in history books, classrooms or even in private. Blacks and whites alike grew into middle age unaware of what had taken place." [3] In 1996, the state legislature commissioned a report, completed in 2001, to establish the historical record. It has approved some compensatory actions, such as scholarships for descendants of survivors, economic development of Greenwood, and a memorial park, dedicated in 2010, to the victims in Tulsa.
. . . . .
The riot occurred in the racially and politically tense atmosphere of post-World War I (WWI) northeastern Oklahoma. The territory had received many settlers from the South who had been slaveholders before the American Civil War. In the early 20th century, lynchings were not uncommon in Oklahoma, as part of a continuing effort by whites to maintain social dominance. Between the declaration of statehood on November 16, 1907, and the Tulsa race riot 13 years later, 31 persons were lynched in Oklahoma; 26 were black and most were men. During the twenty years following the riot, the number of lynchings statewide fell to 2.[4]
. . . . . .
The traditionally black district of Greenwood in Tulsa had a commercial district so prosperous it was known as "the Negro Wall Street" (now commonly referred to as "the Black Wall Street" . Blacks had created their own businesses and services within the racially segregated enclave, including several groceries, two independent newspapers, two movie theaters, nightclubs, and numerous churches. Black doctors, dentists, lawyers and clergy served the community. Because of residential segregation, most classes lived together in Greenwood. They selected their own leaders, and there was capital formation within the community. In the surrounding areas of northeastern Oklahoma, blacks also enjoyed relative prosperity and participated in the oil boom.[6]
. . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
bemildred
(90,061 posts)EFerrari
(163,986 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)this is the correct response for the police when someone shoots up your townsfolk
now i hope everyone does their part and helps the investigation
cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)Also, Tulsa is a rather cosmopolitan city...as the Midwest goes.
I'm going to act as if the Martin case is the Tipping Point ... kind of like the 100th Monkey. Regardless of the public remonstrations of the conservatives and rickety old power bosses, rural white police forces, urban good ol' boys, they are starting to wane due to the internet, social media, cell phones, the younger generation, waning at the speed of information...especially through social media. Many older folk aren't used to this, but it's happening.
I think Twitter/Facebook et al will go down in history as one of the, if not greatest social system influences up to this time...even more so than the internet and maybe even the computer, although arguably built on that platform. To have the power to text your opinion to most any head of power while s/he sits in some meeting, in the halls of power, or eats or whatever and instantly equip your own network with the same information, is beyond amazing.
The heck with writing letters and leaving messages for secretaries to screen or on answering machines. The rules are changing.
Tulsa will not be another Sanford, pretty certain.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)comments and like a coach, setting up his team and notifying the populus that he's in charge and it's not going to be a race thing. At least that's what I got from it.
seattleblah
(69 posts)And this guy doesn't actually give a damn. He hasn't done anything yet to catch the person who is probably a cop considering the criminal had a gun.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)As for his "not doing anything," it is very obvious you are NOT in Oklahoma, let alone just outside Tulsa, like me. There is quite a bit being done by the Tulsa police and departments right outside of Tulsa, as well as FBI and other agencies involvement.
"...probably a cop considering the criminal had a gun." What a powerfully STUPID remark.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)So you are going to come here and spout off shit like that. You have no idea of what you say. If you do share it with us and I will apologize to you. Otherwise shut up and sit down.
My apologies to my fellow DU'rs but crap like this does not belong here.
bart95
(488 posts)and i can tell you, that both white and black want this person brought to justice
malaise
(269,049 posts)<snIp>
Two white men were arrested early today about 48 hours after shootings in north Tulsa that left three black residents dead and two injured, the Tulsa Police Department announced in a press release early Sunday.
Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, were arrested at 1:47 a.m., almost exactly 48 hours after a series of early Friday shootings.
A tip made Saturday through the Tulsa Crime Commission's anonymous Crime Stoppers tip line led to the arrests, police Officer Jason Willingham said. Police would release more information at a 3 p.m. press conference Sunday, he said.
Police indicated that England and Watts would be charged with three counts of murder and two counts of shooting with intent to kill.