Looks Like The MSM This A.M. Is Going Out Of Its Way To Blame Obama For What's Going On In Iraq....

[global1]

now - saying he should have acted sooner. I'm sorry - just like a young adult child - at some time you have to cut them off and let them fend for themselves in the world and make their own mistakes so as they learn.

I understand the genocide implications of what is happening and support the President for protecting those peoples and our Americans in country - but we've spent countless dollars and lives in that part of the world and I do believe what they are saying - there is no American solution to this problem.

These countries in this part of the world need to fend for themselves now and learn how to deal with these problems by themselves. We can't always be there to bail these people and countries out.

One comment that really frosted me this a.m. was that Dubya had been very successful in forming a coalition of friendly countries to help and that Obama hasn't been able to do that.

Come on folks - Dubya's success on forming a coalition was all based on lies - with the help of Tony Blair in the UK. At least President Obama has been straight and consistent with this situation. If I were some of our allies now - I'd be cautious - because of all the damage that was done during BushCo.

[PAProgressive28]

1. You must have been watching Chuck Todd

So was I

[global1]

3. Between Todd And Andrea Mitchell I Turned Off MSNBC And Went To CNN And .......

that was no better. Seems that this is the message that the MSM wants to get out today. It's all Obama's fault for not blowing people to kingdom come like his predecessor Dubya - the decider.

I guess we've lost our desire for self-control these days and trying to work things out diplomatically.

We want to just blow up everything. War. Killing. Bombs. Seems like this is what people are wanting these days.

I just don't get it.

[leftynyc]

5. Diplomacy was never going

to work with isis. They are animals. We sat by while they fought al assad because we really didn't care who won that battle and waited until they knocked on the Kurd's door because we thought the Kurds could handle them. It was a calculated gamble.

[TwilightGardener]

12. There was no attempt at diplomacy with ISIS--we waited on airstrikes for

three reasons: had to gather intelligence on the ground, wanted Iraq to get rid of Maliki and form a better government that would gain the cooperation of disgruntled Sunnis, and the third reason: once we bomb them, we have basically made a new enemy (they didn't hit Americans or American interests yet, remember). All good reasons for waiting.

[onecaliberal]

31. Oh so they wanted Obama to negotiate with terrorists?

Up chuck Toad and mrs Greenspan and republican hacks. Their only mission in life is to contribute to the destruction of the 4th estate. We need to do to them what we've done to Rush.

[leftynyc]

34. Agree

I've pretty much turned off MSNBC and stick with BBC World (although for breaking news CNN is still excellent). These animals are the rebels that McCain and Graham wanted us to fund. Anyone who listens to a republican about military matters is a moron.

[spanone]

37. m$nbc...'mccain & graham wanted to intervene earlier...did Obama wait too long' fuck 'em

[MANative]

2. Same crap happening on CNN. n/t

[spanone]

4. i.e. they are doing their jobs as directed by their owners

[Adam051188]

6. ding ding

Winner

[fredamae]

7. What we are seeing

is no longer journalism nor reporting. It's pure corporate messaging delivered by well paid corporate representatives of the corporate positions, imo. I call it "BSM"
It serves their bottom line in the big picture. We MUST Believe and Agree with MSM.
It's Always easier to cast blame toward another person than take responsibility for ones own actions.

[liberal N proud]

8. I am sure the talking points were issued to all the media outlets once Obama announced action

They took the opportunity to pose another propaganda attack.

[CJCRANE]

9. It's all about the funding.

One side funds one group, and another side funds the opposition.

Sometimes we and our allies fund the same side, sometimes our allies fund the opposition, sometimes a bit of both.

When you don't deal with the root cause, all the rest is surface noise, a political game between a red team and a blue team.

[TBF]

17. ^ This.

I love how you can find info about this by reading "Defense News". Defense my @##. At any rate here are your top 100 "winners" determined by revenue -

http://special.defensenews.com/top-100/charts/rank_2013.php

[corkhead]

10. I preemptively chose to not listen to any of it this morning

[earthside]

11. Let 'em -- nobody cares what they think.

I have yet to talk to a friend or acquaintance of mine, right or left, that wants the U.S. to get involved again in Iraq in any way, shape or form.

[ballyhoo]

20. I have yet to talk to anyone who wants the

US to get involved in Iraq again. I don't care what the MSM says; I haven't watched tv in over 25 years. I am concerned with what the voters say. I talk to a lot of voters and others IRL on a day-to-day basis. They do not want the US involved in Iraq again. To them, it means the Iraq war from start to finish blame now rests with Obama--although not necessarily the Democrats. Overhead attacks only will not solve the problem. The Pesmerga have too long of border to control. The Kurds cannot give up territory; ISIL can. Bush ostensibly went into Iraq on a humanitarian mission; Obama is doing the same thing. How is this going to help even the people that are being helped?

[jwirr]

13. Of course. When in fact the entire mess in the ME is a result of W and his gang going in to steal

the oil and overthrow the governments. If we had used police methods to investigate and apprehend the people who caused 9/11 we would never have had a war in the first place.

I think it is high time we start realizing that rethug policy - foreign or economic - is not working.

[Jackpine Radical]

26. While Bushco amplified the mess, it hardly started with them.

You can trace it back through things like the CIA overthrow of Iraq's Kassem regime in 1963 (JFK era) and, truth be known, to British meddling in the Middle East in WW I, and beyond that, all the way back to the Crusades.

[jwirr]

27. Of course but I was referring to the latest outburst of violence. If we go back that far how do we

ever expect to get some kind of peace in the area.

I remember when the two mothers in Ireland stood up to both sides and said NO MORE. That is what we need now.

[Lurks Often]

29. I'm surprised at you for interjecting facts into this thread!

How dare you interject facts and recognize the long term instability of the Middle East!!

[Scuba]

14. Damn liberal media!

[rhett o rick]

15. I don't listen to the corp-media. Can someone tell me, is the USofA going this alone or is the UN

involved?

[Clyde39]

16. I know I am not the only one to feel rage at Cheney (and Dubya)

This is ALL their doing and the media ignores the truth!

[Dems to Win]

19. Don't forget Poppa Bush, Clinton, Albright....

The US waged war on Iraq for 20 solid years. The first Iraq War, followed by monthly/weekly bombing to enforce no fly zones for a decade, then Baby Bush's War.

It was inevitable that bloody chaos would follow the departure of US troops. It will be bloody chaos in Afghanistan once US troops leave there, too, whether it be next year or a decade from now.

I'm old enough to remember the Kurds on mountaintops fleeing Saddam's troops at the end of the first US War on Iraq, which led to the decade-long no fly zones. Now the Yezidis (a Kurdish minority religious group) are back on those same mountains. Deja vu all over again.

I do believe we've proven that US military force won't solve any problems in Iraq. Such a tragedy for the people of the region. I'm ashamed of my country's actions in Iraq; I wish our protest marches had been able to prevent 2 decades of war.

[ballyhoo]

24. You are right. It won't solve any problems

in Iraq: didn't then; won't now; won't in the future. But from MSM's POV, it does insure the Republicans win the next two elections. And they are no doubt right--

[Taitertots]

18. You still listen to corporate McPravada?

Why are you letting rich people tell you what to think and feel?

[Loubee]

21. Instead of mainstream media

shouldn't we call it "1% media" or "corporate media"? The majority of Americans neither watch nor trust these sources.

[Fred Sanders]

22. The MSM has gone full fascist. More a threat to Americans than ISIS can ever even dream to be.

Watching an intellectual black family man mopping up after the mess created directly by their last pack of lies must be maddening.

[malaise]

23. But but but what about this??

[JDPriestly]

25. Obama is right. There is no hope for peace until ethnic and religious minorites are protected

all over the Middle East and especially in Iraq. They must be included in the government, and their rights must be respected. It isn't a matter of belief on my part. It's just that is the only practical way to have peace.

It's hard to learn that to govern yourself well, you have to let the majority rule on some things and protect the rights of minorities on others.

[blkmusclmachine]

28. A controlled media is 1 of the 14 signposts of fascism. How many do you see in the US today???

http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

[whateyethynk]

30. I am disgusted.

There is no diplomatic answer...thanks to W. the Middle East hates us...period.

There is no military answer...we cannot keep going back to solve their problems.

Get our people out of there, close our embassy and let them kill each other if they want to. They don't need our money or our help for that.

And why is it that the U.S. is always expected to come to the rescue? Let someone else take the lead for a change.

[Jack Rabbit]

33. I don't have a TV set, so please tell if what we are seeing is FoxNews on all channels

Lies, lies, lies. That's all we got from the Frat Boy and the Big Dick. That, and fraud in the marketplace, is all we get from the corporate fascists. That, and sophistry, is all we get from the legal system, especially the Supreme Shysters. That, and revisionist history, is all we get from the media.

[Clyde39]

35. Have they forgotten how Cheney made endless trips to the CIA to push for an Iraq connection?

Vice President Dick Cheney and other Bush administration officials pushed the country to war in Iraq without ever conducting a “serious debate” about whether Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat to the United States.

Why is it that this huge fact is never mentioned?

[rbrnmw]

36. they were WHITE Republicans that's why!