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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMother Jones: Remember When Paul Wolfowitz Said Not to Worry About Sectarian Violence in Iraq?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/watch-paul-wolfowitz-said-not-worry-about-sectarian-violence-iraq-bushBut the real question is, what was he doing on television anyway? Like his neocon comradesBill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Robert Kagan, and othersWolfowitz does not deserve to be presented as an expert with important ideas about the ongoing mess. He and the rest of this gang should have had their pundit licenses revoked after the Iraq War. They got it all wrong: WMD, the cost of the war, the consequences of the invasion. And these errors were compounded by the deaths of nearly 4,500 US service men and womenand 180,000 or more civilian Iraqi casualties. (Here's a partial list of Kristol's pre-war errors and misrepresentations.) So why care what they have to say now?
Instead, how about a a flashback? It's February 27, 2003, three weeks before the invasion. As some experts are pointing out that the war could cost a great deal and require the United States to keep hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq following the cessation of hostilities, Wolfowitz is testifying before Congress. He's insisting that the United States will not have to maintain large number of troops in Iraq after the warand he's refusing to provide a cost estimate. There's also another critical concern hovering at the time: whether a US invasion will create disorder that will trigger sectarian violence within Iraq. Wolfowitz, long known in Washington as a "defense intellectual," pooh-poohed the matter and indicated it was silly to fret such an outbreak
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At that same congressional appearance, Wolfowitz echoed the Bush-Cheney administration mantra of the time that the United States would be embraced by Iraqis after invading their nation.
These are Arabs, 23 million of the most educated people in the Arab world, who are going to welcome us as liberators. And when the message gets out to the whole Arab world, it's going to be a powerful counter to Osama bin Laden It will be a great step forward.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014864856
Wolfowitz: We 'Won' The Iraq War
randys1
(16,286 posts)All of these men including Sean Hannity as propaganda minister, should be in prison for war crimes.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)moondust
(19,993 posts)For not keeping troops in Iraq indefinitely (without approval of the Iraqi gov't), for not acting soon enough to stop ISIS, for losing Iraq and the Middle East, and for anything else they can think of.
There is good reason why the world called the Middle East a "powder keg" before these fools lit the fuse. No telling what the smoldering ashes will look like if it ever stops exploding.
Scoundrels.
Botany
(70,516 posts)Yup! In February of 2003 I was driving my F-150 and I heard Joe wilson say on NPR,
"Iraq has 105 different sides and the one thing they have in common is that they all
hate each other. Yes, we can be in Baghdad in under 1 week but that is when the trouble
will start." VERY ROUGH QUOTE
malaise
(269,054 posts)who led America into an illegal invasion and occupation of a country and region that they knew not one damned thing about.
In their minds it was Mission Accomplished - fucking war criminals.
Botany
(70,516 posts).... before he started that unneeded war in Iraq.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/08/170606/-Bush-did-NOT-know-there-was-difference-between-Sunni-amp-Shiite-Muslims-until-Jan-03
The only time I want to hear from w, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Condi, and so is at their trial
for war crimes.
moondust
(19,993 posts)None. Driven by shallow arrogance and boundless greed.
Botany
(70,516 posts).... steal as much oil as possible as they protected the oil production infrastructure and
for Dick Cheney, KBR, Blackwater, the Lincoln Group, Bechtel, Haliburton, and other groups
and persons to steal and or make as much money as possible. And in both cases they were
very successful and they sure knew what they were doing in thoses operations. Cost plus no bid
contracts what could go wrong?
Shit, they loaded $12 billion in cash into helicopters and that money just "went missing."
malaise
(269,054 posts)Not ever
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Getting out of this mess is worse than quick sand.
The real problem for me is that because of US foreign policy, this administration did not stop the rot and lock up these criminals and their fellow neo-con goons. Now Obama has destroyed his legacy by allowing them to remain in critical positions to sabotage his administration.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And did it anyway. Because Halliburton.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Paul Wolfowitz would be pursued by a pack of rabid wolves forever, unable to be caught by or to escape from them.
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)Created this mess. Everyone with half a brain was saying sectarian violence would break out in Iraq and cause civil war before we went in. I protested with thousands of people who knew this would happen.
Now that the civil war is happening, the different ethnicities are fighting for control as was predicted, corporate America wants to rewrite history and pretend it wasn't bush who planned to invade Iraq and rip off its oil to enrich his family before he took office.
We should let the corporate sponsors know how we feel.
The Bush wars have removed a socialist government and strengthened the fundamentalist Shiites
malaise
(269,054 posts)but certainly secular.
Never forget that this is about oil.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)Bush was saying the Iraq invasion would cost no more than a few X billion dollars, 50 bil., I think. The RW think tank contradicted Bush, saying it would be many many times that amount because the ultimate goal was to remain in Iraq and expand beyond. I wrote a LTTE about it at the time to help me recall that commentary. I just thought it was weird that we were hearing it from a RW think tank.
shraby
(21,946 posts)be minimal.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Sectarian violence in Iraq and across the region. Mission accomplished.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,981 posts)AND THEN CUT TAXES!!!!!!!!!!
deutsey
(20,166 posts)For them, reality is whatever they believe it to be.
Very Orwellian:
"The Law of Gravity is nonsense. No such law exists. If I think I float, and you think I float, then it happens." O'Brien to Winston Smith in 1984
From The New York Times Magazine 2004:
The aide (later identified as Rove) said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that realityjudiciously, as you willwe'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors
and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
lark
(23,105 posts)We all know America lost tons of $$ and world approval
4000+ American service folks lost their lives
100,000 Iraquis lost their lives (most of them women and children)
Iraqi oil has never recovered to it's former level
We left the country with an Iranian leaning hard liner who promptly returned to killing Sunnis, creating the conditions for ISIS
The only one that won was Cheney, Halliburton - and other large corporations and their apologists. Cheney's net worth went up 400% due to Haliburton getting assigned jobs wihtout ever having to make a competitive bid.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)be investigated and perhaps prosecuted for war crimes and maybe even treason.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Wrong, wrong, dead wrong. People died because of it, people were maimed because of it. People like Cheney profited from all this pain.
Yet for the most part Stewart and Colbert are the only ones really hammering hard on those creeps (in the U.S.), while "Meet The Press" and others bring tem on as experts?
Unbelievable.