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Botany

(70,516 posts)
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 11:46 AM Aug 2014

Mother Jones: Remember When Paul Wolfowitz Said Not to Worry About Sectarian Violence in Iraq?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/watch-paul-wolfowitz-said-not-worry-about-sectarian-violence-iraq-bush

But the real question is, what was he doing on television anyway? Like his neocon comrades—Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Robert Kagan, and others—Wolfowitz does not deserve to be presented as an expert with important ideas about the ongoing mess. He and the rest of this gang should have had their pundit licenses revoked after the Iraq War. They got it all wrong: WMD, the cost of the war, the consequences of the invasion. And these errors were compounded by the deaths of nearly 4,500 US service men and women—and 180,000 or more civilian Iraqi casualties. (Here's a partial list of Kristol's pre-war errors and misrepresentations.) So why care what they have to say now?

Instead, how about a a flashback? It's February 27, 2003, three weeks before the invasion. As some experts are pointing out that the war could cost a great deal and require the United States to keep hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq following the cessation of hostilities, Wolfowitz is testifying before Congress. He's insisting that the United States will not have to maintain large number of troops in Iraq after the war—and he's refusing to provide a cost estimate. There's also another critical concern hovering at the time: whether a US invasion will create disorder that will trigger sectarian violence within Iraq. Wolfowitz, long known in Washington as a "defense intellectual," pooh-poohed the matter and indicated it was silly to fret such an outbreak

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At that same congressional appearance, Wolfowitz echoed the Bush-Cheney administration mantra of the time that the United States would be embraced by Iraqis after invading their nation.

These are Arabs, 23 million of the most educated people in the Arab world, who are going to welcome us as liberators. And when the message gets out to the whole Arab world, it's going to be a powerful counter to Osama bin Laden…It will be a great step forward.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014864856

Wolfowitz: We 'Won' The Iraq War





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Mother Jones: Remember When Paul Wolfowitz Said Not to Worry About Sectarian Violence in Iraq? (Original Post) Botany Aug 2014 OP
Dont forget Richard Perle randys1 Aug 2014 #1
And wonderful Ari LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #10
And now blame it all on Obama. moondust Aug 2014 #2
"before these fools lit the fuse" Botany Aug 2014 #4
This entire mess is the creation of ignorant ReTHUG goons and their neo-con operatives malaise Aug 2014 #3
w did not know that their was a difference between Shi and Sunni Muslims less then 2 months .... Botany Aug 2014 #5
They had no idea what they were doing. moondust Aug 2014 #7
they had two goals from the onset ..... Botany Aug 2014 #9
this. nt navarth Aug 2014 #17
I'll never forget that malaise Aug 2014 #32
They had no idea what they were doing, nor did they care. colorado_ufo Aug 2014 #12
The DID know. They just didn't care. Well they only cared about the profits to be made. cui bono Aug 2014 #29
But Cheney did. W was just a tool. cui bono Aug 2014 #28
Seriously they have fucked up the entire planet malaise Aug 2014 #30
Actually, it's worse than that. The absolutely DID know what they were doing. cui bono Aug 2014 #27
I remember his comb Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #6
If there were any cosmic justice hifiguy Aug 2014 #8
Bush and his cronies onecaliberal Aug 2014 #11
Bush Wars dem1926 Aug 2014 #13
Not socialist malaise Aug 2014 #31
I remember when a RW think tank on CNNI admitted the truth. lebkuchen Aug 2014 #14
He also stated to Congress that it would pay for itself and our cost would shraby Aug 2014 #15
Yes, because that was the aim all along. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #16
exactly. And in those terms we certainly "won". bbgrunt Aug 2014 #25
+1 woo me with science Aug 2014 #33
i remember georgee saying it would cost 78 million. he was off by how much? pansypoo53219 Aug 2014 #18
Ideologues like Wolfowitz don't believe in "objective reality" deutsey Aug 2014 #19
Wolfie, quit lying!! lark Aug 2014 #20
K&R 2banon Aug 2014 #21
He's part of the PNAC,"we need a Pearl Harbor type event" neocons, who should actually be Cleita Aug 2014 #22
That Whole Chickenhawk Cabal Was Wrong About Most Everything colsohlibgal Aug 2014 #23
I also remember Dittoheads predicting gas at 50¢ a gallon. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #24
K&R nt redqueen Aug 2014 #26

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Dont forget Richard Perle
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 11:52 AM
Aug 2014

All of these men including Sean Hannity as propaganda minister, should be in prison for war crimes.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
2. And now blame it all on Obama.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 12:05 PM
Aug 2014

For not keeping troops in Iraq indefinitely (without approval of the Iraqi gov't), for not acting soon enough to stop ISIS, for losing Iraq and the Middle East, and for anything else they can think of.

There is good reason why the world called the Middle East a "powder keg" before these fools lit the fuse. No telling what the smoldering ashes will look like if it ever stops exploding.

Scoundrels.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
4. "before these fools lit the fuse"
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 12:13 PM
Aug 2014

Yup! In February of 2003 I was driving my F-150 and I heard Joe wilson say on NPR,
"Iraq has 105 different sides and the one thing they have in common is that they all
hate each other. Yes, we can be in Baghdad in under 1 week but that is when the trouble
will start." VERY ROUGH QUOTE

malaise

(269,054 posts)
3. This entire mess is the creation of ignorant ReTHUG goons and their neo-con operatives
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 12:09 PM
Aug 2014

who led America into an illegal invasion and occupation of a country and region that they knew not one damned thing about.

In their minds it was Mission Accomplished - fucking war criminals.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
5. w did not know that their was a difference between Shi and Sunni Muslims less then 2 months ....
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 12:17 PM
Aug 2014

.... before he started that unneeded war in Iraq.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/08/170606/-Bush-did-NOT-know-there-was-difference-between-Sunni-amp-Shiite-Muslims-until-Jan-03

The only time I want to hear from w, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Condi, and so is at their trial
for war crimes.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
9. they had two goals from the onset .....
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:00 PM
Aug 2014

.... steal as much oil as possible as they protected the oil production infrastructure and
for Dick Cheney, KBR, Blackwater, the Lincoln Group, Bechtel, Haliburton, and other groups
and persons to steal and or make as much money as possible. And in both cases they were
very successful and they sure knew what they were doing in thoses operations. Cost plus no bid
contracts what could go wrong?

Shit, they loaded $12 billion in cash into helicopters and that money just "went missing."

malaise

(269,054 posts)
30. Seriously they have fucked up the entire planet
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:42 PM
Aug 2014

Getting out of this mess is worse than quick sand.

The real problem for me is that because of US foreign policy, this administration did not stop the rot and lock up these criminals and their fellow neo-con goons. Now Obama has destroyed his legacy by allowing them to remain in critical positions to sabotage his administration.




cui bono

(19,926 posts)
27. Actually, it's worse than that. The absolutely DID know what they were doing.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:30 PM
Aug 2014

And did it anyway. Because Halliburton.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. If there were any cosmic justice
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 12:25 PM
Aug 2014

Paul Wolfowitz would be pursued by a pack of rabid wolves forever, unable to be caught by or to escape from them.

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
11. Bush and his cronies
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:01 PM
Aug 2014

Created this mess. Everyone with half a brain was saying sectarian violence would break out in Iraq and cause civil war before we went in. I protested with thousands of people who knew this would happen.

Now that the civil war is happening, the different ethnicities are fighting for control as was predicted, corporate America wants to rewrite history and pretend it wasn't bush who planned to invade Iraq and rip off its oil to enrich his family before he took office.

We should let the corporate sponsors know how we feel.

lebkuchen

(10,716 posts)
14. I remember when a RW think tank on CNNI admitted the truth.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:18 PM
Aug 2014

Bush was saying the Iraq invasion would cost no more than a few X billion dollars, 50 bil., I think. The RW think tank contradicted Bush, saying it would be many many times that amount because the ultimate goal was to remain in Iraq and expand beyond. I wrote a LTTE about it at the time to help me recall that commentary. I just thought it was weird that we were hearing it from a RW think tank.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
16. Yes, because that was the aim all along.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:34 PM
Aug 2014

Sectarian violence in Iraq and across the region. Mission accomplished.

pansypoo53219

(20,981 posts)
18. i remember georgee saying it would cost 78 million. he was off by how much?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:45 PM
Aug 2014

AND THEN CUT TAXES!!!!!!!!!!

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
19. Ideologues like Wolfowitz don't believe in "objective reality"
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:53 PM
Aug 2014

For them, reality is whatever they believe it to be.

Very Orwellian:

"The Law of Gravity is nonsense. No such law exists. If I think I float, and you think I float, then it happens." O'Brien to Winston Smith in 1984

From The New York Times Magazine 2004:

The aide (later identified as Rove) said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

lark

(23,105 posts)
20. Wolfie, quit lying!!
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 02:10 PM
Aug 2014

We all know America lost tons of $$ and world approval
4000+ American service folks lost their lives
100,000 Iraquis lost their lives (most of them women and children)
Iraqi oil has never recovered to it's former level
We left the country with an Iranian leaning hard liner who promptly returned to killing Sunnis, creating the conditions for ISIS

The only one that won was Cheney, Halliburton - and other large corporations and their apologists. Cheney's net worth went up 400% due to Haliburton getting assigned jobs wihtout ever having to make a competitive bid.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
22. He's part of the PNAC,"we need a Pearl Harbor type event" neocons, who should actually be
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 02:20 PM
Aug 2014

be investigated and perhaps prosecuted for war crimes and maybe even treason.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
23. That Whole Chickenhawk Cabal Was Wrong About Most Everything
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 02:38 PM
Aug 2014

Wrong, wrong, dead wrong. People died because of it, people were maimed because of it. People like Cheney profited from all this pain.

Yet for the most part Stewart and Colbert are the only ones really hammering hard on those creeps (in the U.S.), while "Meet The Press" and others bring tem on as experts?

Unbelievable.

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