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(11,660 posts)
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 02:02 PM Aug 2014

The Muslim Right and the Anglo-American Left: The Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name

The Muslim Right is a range of transnational political movements that mobilize identity politics towards the goal of a theocratic state. It consists of those called “moderate Islamists” by the media, who propose to reach this goal gradually by electoral and educational means; extremist parties and groups called “salafis,” who run for office but also try to enforce some version of Sharia law through street violence; and a much smaller militant wing of salafi-jihadis, whose propaganda endorses military means and who practice violence against civilians. The goal of all political Islamists, however, whatever means they may prefer, is a state founded upon a version of Sharia law that systematically discriminates against women along with sexual and religious minorities.

Some in the human rights movement have gone overboard in their desire to defend the victims of state counter-terrorism, and ended up embracing the Muslim Right. A section of the Anglo-American left has done the same, focusing only on wrongs done by the United States and acting on the fatal principle that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

Historically, the left has stood for certain values—at least in principle: separation between religion and the state; social equality; an end to discrimination against women and minorities; economic justice; opposition to imperialist and racist wars. In the last ten years, however, some groups on the far left have allied with conservative Muslim organizations that stand for religious discrimination, advocate death for those they consider apostates, oppose gay rights, subordinate women, and seek to impose their views on others through violence. This support of the Muslim Right has undermined struggles for secular democracy in the Global South and has spread from the far left to feminists, the human rights movement and progressive donors.

The far left’s embrace of Islamic fundamentalism mirrors distortions about Islam put about by anti-immigrant conservatives—the far right talks as if all Muslims were potential terrorists, while the far left talks as if salafi-jihadis represented all Muslims. Both ignore the fact that the vast majority of Muslims are like everybody else; they just want to survive and live their lives in peace. Very few of them support the interpretations and actions of salafi-jihadis, who no more represent all Muslims than the American Nazi Party or English Defence League represent all Christians.

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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/180759/double-bind

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The Muslim Right and the Anglo-American Left: The Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name (Original Post) name not needed Aug 2014 OP
Some people here will excuse/ignore all kinds of heinous crap done in the name of anti-imperialism. Throd Aug 2014 #1
BS. It's the RW that has created more religious fundamentalists CJCRANE Aug 2014 #2
Yep. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #4
Remember when the Left called the mujahedeen freedom fighters? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #17
But it's ok to support far right Israeli regimes? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #3
a quote that needs it's own damn op DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #5
The idea that the "far left" has embraces "Islamic fundamentalism" is moronic on it's face. Maedhros Aug 2014 #13
I have NEVER-EVER come across a single person of the "far left" who embraces Islamic fundamentalism Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #6
Yeah. Aristus Aug 2014 #8
What ignorant whiney horseshit. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #7
such bullshit. i expected better from you. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #9
"i expected better from you" redqueen Aug 2014 #25
Bilge. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #10
garbage Vattel Aug 2014 #11
why do liberals hate America? If those anti-war protesters love communism so much why don't they Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #12
Really? what bs rbrnmw Aug 2014 #14
Look - I admit it - but those Islamic Fundamentalists are just so gosh darn embraceable. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #15
So, the 2% of extremists who call themselves Liberal are... haele Aug 2014 #16
The phenomenon that I call 'mirror-image-ism' exists; some people do think that anyone opposed to LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #18
Horseshit on stilts and steroids. hifiguy Aug 2014 #19
Worn out bullshit that is used by people with some serious issues..ack. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #20
P.S. - as regards the following: LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #21
TAURINE METABOLIC BYPRODUCTS!! hobbit709 Aug 2014 #22
Unrec this codswallop. myrna minx Aug 2014 #23
Well that is a horseshit load of lies...but some here will rec this just because Rex Aug 2014 #24
Imagine how much farther along Israel could be notadmblnd Aug 2014 #26
What bilge. truebluegreen Aug 2014 #27
and it was the the neocon cenrists that lobbied Obama to fund the Syrian opposition betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #28
You should be embarrassed for posting this crap waddirum Aug 2014 #29
what a steaming pantsload of shit. KG Aug 2014 #30
Bet that was printed to counteract an Israeli killing of a Gazan Feminist's family countryjake Aug 2014 #31
"A little clumsy for a movie title. Shorten. I'll pass it up to Sid." Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #32

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
4. Yep.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 02:14 PM
Aug 2014

And this whole article reeks of dog whistle anti Arab racism.

But for some reason racism against Arabs is ok with The centre left now. Just look at Bill Maher.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
17. Remember when the Left called the mujahedeen freedom fighters?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:54 PM
Aug 2014

Oh, wait, that was Ronald Reagan.

Or when "the Left" backed the rise of Hamas as a worthy counterweight to the secular PLO under Arafat?

Oh, wait, that was the Israeli state.

Tablet is typically engaging in projection and what I call "confusionism" -- making sure everything is labeled as its opposite, or arbitrarily, until nothing makes sense except for reaction and, effectively, support for the status quo. (A variant on "Alice in Wonderland logic," confusionism can be found everywhere, but the right wing is particularly adept, see topic, "Glenn Beck.&quot

Some more examples of that old Left-wing love for Islamic fundamentalists:


(A Leftist meets with guys calling on the U.S. to support Islamic Front in Syria.)


(A Leftist meets with a major financier of Islamic fundamentalist movements internationally.)




(At least by common attribution, photo of a Leftist engaging with Islamic fundamentalist fighters in Afghanistan.)


(Oops, sorry, how did that get in there? A Leftist speaking alongside some Ukrainian fascist leader. Our Vital National Interests Make For A Series of Alternating Strange Bedfellows, after all, let's not get sanctimonious, pip pip.)

More in this vein - for heaven's sake don't click!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025355401

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
3. But it's ok to support far right Israeli regimes?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 02:12 PM
Aug 2014

What a piece of racist garbage. I know of no leftists who support fundamentalism of any sort. Not wanting to see murdered children doesn't make you a supporter of Hamas.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
5. a quote that needs it's own damn op
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:05 PM
Aug 2014

"The far left’s embrace of Islamic fundamentalism mirrors distortions about Islam put about by anti-immigrant conservatives—the far right talks as if all Muslims were potential terrorists, while the far left talks as if salafi-jihadis represented all Muslims. Both ignore the fact that the vast majority of Muslims are like everybody else; they just want to survive and live their lives in peace. "

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
13. The idea that the "far left" has embraces "Islamic fundamentalism" is moronic on it's face.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:27 PM
Aug 2014

Anyone using the term "far left" to refer to American politics lacks any understanding of American politics.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
6. I have NEVER-EVER come across a single person of the "far left" who embraces Islamic fundamentalism
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:15 PM
Aug 2014

I don't know who this person is talking to.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
12. why do liberals hate America? If those anti-war protesters love communism so much why don't they
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:26 PM
Aug 2014

just move to Russia?

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
15. Look - I admit it - but those Islamic Fundamentalists are just so gosh darn embraceable.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:31 PM
Aug 2014

Have you ever hugged one? I mean it's a little uncomfortable at first, but eventually it's pretty satisfying.

Bryant

haele

(12,660 posts)
16. So, the 2% of extremists who call themselves Liberal are...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:48 PM
Aug 2014

...just the same as the 75% of Conservative extremists who call themselves Christian? or Jewish? or Muslim? Is that what the author is trying to say? Or is he just trying to paint all limousine liberals with the same broad brush.

"Far Left" consists of...? Give me a person or a group name. Or you (the article writer) in the same category of who are comparing that Christians and other observant cultural/ethnic religious group members with the Radical Right - that you're probably also complaining against those broad brush comments.

Extremists are extremists. Not that they aren't "Liberals" if they call themselves Liberal (I don't believe in "no true Scotsman&quot , but most Liberals will happily call those "Liberals" out for being extremist assholes who are just after sex, drugs, or whatever "non-conformity" is that makes them feel like they're special.
Loudly and regularly. We do it here at DU all the time. We don't use paint brushes, we wag fingers at and then throw buckets of different colors over each other all the time...



Liberals have "nuance" after all, and there is no one label that can cover the wide range of liberal thought. We aren't all vegan communist hippie actors, or drunken slacker sex addicts with mommy issues, and/or PETA members. We're diverse, rag-tag, argumentative, and proudly unorganized.

Unlike a lot of people who practice commando-style labeling that are stuck with trying to ignore their own ideological extremists.

Haele

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
18. The phenomenon that I call 'mirror-image-ism' exists; some people do think that anyone opposed to
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:29 PM
Aug 2014

Bush et al must be OK. However, it's rare; and I think that nothing damaged the reputation of Muslim right-wingers, and their chances of getting sympathy from virtually ANYONE on the Left, so much as when Taliban members shot Malala!

Actually, the Western Right has generally done much more than the Left to build up the Muslim Right. The forerunners of the Taliban were built up by Reagan et al because they were opposed to the Soviet Union. The rise of Islamic State in Iraq is an unintended consequence of the ill-considered intervention in 2003, to depose the nasty but secular dictator Saddam by playing with fire near a powder-keg.

By 2020, there will be a very significant collaboration in some countries between the Christian Right and the Muslim Right. This is already happening to some extent; e.g. the British anti-abortion (and anti-gay, etc.) Society for the Protection of Unborn Children is run by Catholics, but also includes a Muslim section.

N.b. it is sometimes argued that any opposition to some form of military intervention against terrorists or other nasty individuals equates to support for these nasty individuals. Often it just means assuming that the proposed intervention will make matters worse, or will kill too many innocent bystanders.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. Horseshit on stilts and steroids.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:35 PM
Aug 2014

I have never met anyone on the Left who can stand ANY form of religulous fundamentalism. Bullshit propaganda is whet this is.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
21. P.S. - as regards the following:
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:53 PM
Aug 2014

'Any feminist in the United Kingdom or North America who raises issues of gender politics in Muslim-majority countries is likely to be called an Orientalist; compared to Laura Bush, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and IrsHad Manji; and accused of using “good Muslim-bad Muslim” stereotypes.'


I am gobsmacked by this. I am a UK feminist; I have often criticized the treatment of women in theocratic Muslim countries; and I have NEVER experienced what's described here - certainly not from left-wingers. The author must move in very peculiar circles.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Well that is a horseshit load of lies...but some here will rec this just because
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:58 PM
Aug 2014

they hate the Left as much as they hate government regulations and oversight. I will report back here ASAP as soon as I met one SINGLE lefty that supports ISIS or the equivalent.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
26. Imagine how much farther along Israel could be
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:19 PM
Aug 2014

If it practiced a little love instead of resentment, hate, and greed.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
28. and it was the the neocon cenrists that lobbied Obama to fund the Syrian opposition
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:29 PM
Aug 2014

The Syrian opposition are Isis. They nagged Congress into giving the Islamist 500 million just last week. The real boddice ripper is between the neocons and Wahhabism.

waddirum

(979 posts)
29. You should be embarrassed for posting this crap
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:09 PM
Aug 2014

The dog whistles are strong and the accusations are bullshit. Essentially guilt by third degree association -- you disagree with this, therefore you support that, and all that these people entail.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
31. Bet that was printed to counteract an Israeli killing of a Gazan Feminist's family
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:36 PM
Aug 2014

The timing is oddly coincidental.

The article below was published and began circulating on Monday, after nine members of the family of Asma al-Ghul, a columnist for Al-Monitor, died in an Israeli air strike.

Never Ask Me About Peace Again
First-hand account of the aftermath of an Israeli strike that killed nine members of the author's family.


A relative mourns over bodies of the al-Ghoul family in Rafah.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/08/05/never-ask-me-about-peace-again


So, the very next day after Asma's sad report, the Tablet decides to print a handy little excerpt from Meredith Tax's "Double Bind: The Muslim Right, the Anglo-American Left, and Universal Human Rights"?




Here is Asma's wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_al-Ghul

Asma al-Ghul (also Al Ghoul, Alghoul ) is a young secular Palestinian feminist journalist who writes for the Ramallah-based newspaper Al-Ayyam, chronicling what she calls “the corruption of Fatah and the terrorism of Hamas.” Al-Ayyam is sometimes banned in Gaza by Hamas. Al-Ghul is described by the New York Times as "known for her defiant stance against violations of civil rights in Gaza."

Al-Ghul was born in 1982 in Rafah, a Gazan city bordering Egypt whose population is mainly Palestinian refugees. In 2003, she married an Egyptian poet and moved to Abu Dhabi. She and her husband later divorced, and she returned to Gaza with their son. In 2006, al-Ghul permanently took off her Islamic khimār (headscarf).

At the age of 18, al-Ghul won the Palestinian Youth Literature award. In 2010, she received a Hellman/Hammett award from Human Rights Watch, aimed at helping writers "who dare to express ideas that criticize official public policy or people in power." Her work has been translated into English, Danish and Korean.

In 2012, al-Ghul was awarded the Courage in Journalism Award by the International Women's Media Foundation. She works for Lebanon's Samir Kassir Foundation, which advocates for media freedom.



That Wiki piece also highlights some of the repercussions she's faced for standing up for Women's Rights in Occupied Palestine. Since 2006, Asma has become known online as a writer advocating for International Human Rights, the struggle for Women's Liberation in Islamic nations, and ending extremist violence. In her years of blogging and articles, she has severely criticized both Hamas and Fatah, holding true to her ideals of justice and equality and peace for the Palestinian people. And the American Left, Feminists, and Human Rights Movements have praised and promoted her for taking that bold stance.

So, at six in the morning on Sunday, August 3, the extended-family home of such a woman was targeted by not one, but two Israeli IDF F-16 missiles. Decimated and destroyed.

Asma al-Ghul was born in this house

Rescue workers search for victims as Palestinians gather around the wreckage of a house destroyed in an Israeli airstrike that killed at least nine members from the al-Ghoul family, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Aug. 3, 2014. (photo by REUTERS/Ibraheem Abu Mustafa)

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/08/rafah-gaza-war-hospitals-filled-bodies-palestinians.html#ixzz39qUTyPXY


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5350114



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