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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:01 PM Aug 2014

Food Is For White Liberals What Sex Is For The Religious Right

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. This piece is on the money, and it combines many DU issues of recent origin.

Anyway, I am mostly unavailable for the coming days, and completely unavailable, very soon, for several weeks. Still...

http://skepchick.org/2014/07/food-is-for-white-liberals-what-sex-is-for-the-religious-right/

"...

Bring up reproductive rights and liberals shake their heads and remark on the incredible cognitive dissonance of the Religious Right. Sure, the Right is “small government” in theory, but it’s about sex, liberals shrug. It’s about policing women’s bodies and an obsessive desire to control what happens in people’s bedrooms. It’s a complete fear and denial of scientific data in favor of emotionally overblown gut reaction.

Then you bring up GMOs. Or locally sourced meat. Or whatever diet is trendy that week.

...

When asking the server how the animal being served was prepared, no one seems to wonder whether that server has basic health insurance or whether that server is affected by the fact that the restaurant industry has one of the highest rates of sexual harassment and lowest rates of pay. When waxing poetic about the “salt of the Earth” farmers from which they buy their unpasteurized milk, no one seems to worry that an estimated 10 percent of American farm workers are children. When pearl-clutching over the things we “don’t know” about GMOs, as Kavin pointed out, no one seems to be concerned about their presence in groceries found at Price Rite––only products sold at Whole Foods.

If you are not as concerned about the people handing you your food in the restaurant as you are about the pigs on the farm where it was grown, your approach is classist. If you are more concerned about the availability of food trucks in the neighboring town than whether its residents actually want them (thanks to my dear friend Tina for setting me straight on this one), or if you buy things like this (thanks to Heina for that find), your approach is imperialist. If you start telling someone all about your new trendy diet or asking them about theirs without knowing if they have an eating disorder that may be triggered by your prattle, your approach is ableist. If you tsk-tsk at people who are overweight for what they are eating and claim you’re concerned about their health, yet you’re not actively campaigning to make healthy food more accessible and affordable, your approach is sickening and I don’t want you in my activism.

I want the Religious Right out of my bedroom and the White Liberal Food Police out of my kitchen. Is that so much to ask?"



I remain proudly liberal and progressive, and I remain focused on science as the best method to inform that liberalism.

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Food Is For White Liberals What Sex Is For The Religious Right (Original Post) HuckleB Aug 2014 OP
yes! undergroundpanther Aug 2014 #1
Indeed. HuckleB Aug 2014 #2
I wish some people on our side would watch Portlandia. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #3
So perfectly put. HuckleB Aug 2014 #4
Especially this guy: Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2014 #54
And this betsuni Aug 2014 #59
OMG! smirkymonkey Aug 2014 #67
I don't know if it's on DVD, sorry. betsuni Aug 2014 #74
what another steaming pile. Listen, how those pigs on the farm are raised impacts the environment KittyWampus Aug 2014 #5
Thanks for the claims. HuckleB Aug 2014 #6
In the interim, why do you hate democracy? Consumers can't closeupready Aug 2014 #14
Yes, baseless fear-mongering is so cool. HuckleB Aug 2014 #15
The articly you posted is full of baseless assumptions and accusations. cui bono Aug 2014 #60
Actually, Fox is a very apt comparison to the food fear mongerers. HuckleB Aug 2014 #86
Fox News: Who's afraid of GMOs? Let's serve up science without scare stories and eat without fear Zorra Aug 2014 #132
I thought you were not anti-science. HuckleB Aug 2014 #137
Fox News: Health myth: Are GMOs actually bad for you? Zorra Aug 2014 #133
Monsanto Threatens Fox Zorra Aug 2014 #135
+1 cui bono Aug 2014 #58
As for the bogus attack on "skeptics" ... HuckleB Aug 2014 #7
The salient point is that the 'best science' of any given moment might be proven wrong by the 'best Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #78
That's a simple excuse to ignore the science. HuckleB Aug 2014 #108
Conflating Ben Carson and Elaine Jones with GMO's is the "science was wrong before" fallacy. alp227 Aug 2014 #117
Article doesn't deny the point about pigs. alp227 Aug 2014 #99
Indeed. Food is not important at all to black liberals. This author hasn't a clue of the rural and Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #8
I like how you respond with something that addresses nothing. HuckleB Aug 2014 #10
I see. A black liberal is really a white liberal when they initiate sustainable rural & urban farms. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #25
LOL! HuckleB Aug 2014 #27
Considering your DU history ("I never met a Frankenfood I didn't like"), closeupready Aug 2014 #9
That is a very thoughtful response. HuckleB Aug 2014 #12
Honey, this ain't the first time we've gone to the mat. closeupready Aug 2014 #16
You're right. HuckleB Aug 2014 #18
Comparing apples and oranges. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #11
Nope. HuckleB Aug 2014 #13
Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. closeupready Aug 2014 #17
Rolling your eyes is so informative. HuckleB Aug 2014 #19
Indeed. GMO corn is showering the food insecure with its bounty. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #30
Of course, corn is the be all, end all of the matter. HuckleB Aug 2014 #32
Indeed. The poor are gorging themselves on alfalfa! Food insecurity is over! Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #35
I like you're supremely overt confession! HuckleB Aug 2014 #37
20 years into GMOs and "food insecurity" (i.e., starvation and hunger) has increased. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #38
Can you name that logical fallacy? HuckleB Aug 2014 #42
If I see any evidence that GMO producers are delivering food to humans that can digest it instead of Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #43
So you are still just making things up to defend your defenseless notions. HuckleB Aug 2014 #44
How in the world did New Yorker's survive until that first anemic tomato shipped from CA in the Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #47
Have you ever watched The World According to Monsanto? cui bono Aug 2014 #62
I'm not defending Monsanto. HuckleB Aug 2014 #88
Appropriate for food faddism. Archae Aug 2014 #22
Yep! And those who can afford it feel great about themselves! HuckleB Aug 2014 #24
I WANT THE WHITE LIBERAL LEAD PAINT POLICE OUT OF MY HOUSE NOW! Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #20
Is past ignorance the only thing you can offer to support your current claims? HuckleB Aug 2014 #21
What really worries me about the future of this country and the planet... HuckleB Aug 2014 #23
And, I take it, your forebears fought against the Allies in WWII? closeupready Aug 2014 #100
"Informed consumers." HuckleB Aug 2014 #103
LOL - it's a beautiful Saturday, and here you are. closeupready Aug 2014 #113
Oh, the irony. HuckleB Aug 2014 #114
Based on the FSOG and Belle Knox threads, I'd say white liberals get in a twist over sex as well... brooklynite Aug 2014 #26
Oh, come on! HuckleB Aug 2014 #28
Oh my god, what happens when kinky sex is combined with genetically modified strawberries and Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #49
Saturday night at my house. Holidays, too. (nt) Inkfreak Aug 2014 #63
Honestly, I think the whole food combined with sex thing is vastly overrated. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #64
Does your spouse know? whistler162 Aug 2014 #70
Lol! No, she doesn't like strawberries. (nt) Inkfreak Aug 2014 #80
How do you know a poster's race? RandiFan1290 Aug 2014 #68
Before you chase white liberals out of your kitchen, check with your doctor. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #29
Just like the author of the piece, I'm only chasing science and doctor despising liberals... HuckleB Aug 2014 #31
There's a great Ted talk on this topic loyalsister Aug 2014 #33
Indeed, a brilliant talk ... another great Ted talk by Michael Specter, adds to that. HuckleB Aug 2014 #34
If this OP is "liberal and progressive", then we have met the enemy, and he is us. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #36
If you mean pushing fiction based fears is wrong and harmful, then are on the money. HuckleB Aug 2014 #40
Yeah, we don't agree with you so we must watch Fox. Sounds like classic Fox. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #46
yep, a ton of projection here. nt laundry_queen Aug 2014 #56
That's the point. HuckleB Aug 2014 #105
Yeh, those of us who want GMO food packages labeled, and who are concerned Zorra Aug 2014 #115
Yes. HuckleB Aug 2014 #121
In the video below, I'm the 14 yr. old liberal girl, and you are the old conservative Zorra Aug 2014 #125
You want to be the 14-year-old girl whose teachers and parents let her push pseudoscience? HuckleB Aug 2014 #127
A principled case against labeling products made with GMO's? *snarf* *giggle* Zorra Aug 2014 #130
Why does science scare you? HuckleB Aug 2014 #138
The enemy may well guard a bridge, pretending to be "liberal and progressive". WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #45
When asking the server how the animal being served delete_bush Aug 2014 #39
And the point of your post is....? HuckleB Aug 2014 #41
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #61
I buy organic because delete_bush Aug 2014 #52
I have noticed I've developed an acute intolerance to people talking about their gluten intolerance. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #48
I know people who don't eat gluten AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #51
It's very in. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #53
Or how all carbs are evil Freddie Aug 2014 #79
I want the corporatist Monsanto GMO goons out of my country... countryjake Aug 2014 #50
In other words... HuckleB Aug 2014 #89
There is no article of food that is 100% good for you. None. bluestateguy Aug 2014 #55
That analogy is off the mark. Not the same thing at all. cui bono Aug 2014 #57
One of the talking points for pro-GMO people to use against liberals is KurtNYC Aug 2014 #75
Actually, if you pay attention to what the "food movement" is doing, it is very much the same thing. HuckleB Aug 2014 #109
Not sure about that analogy.... MADem Aug 2014 #65
These people must be Natural News's reader base n/t marle35 Aug 2014 #71
Could be. nt MADem Aug 2014 #72
Epic fail. Scuba Aug 2014 #66
Certainly agree with that. Whoa. Cha Aug 2014 #69
I responded to snark with snark. HuckleB Aug 2014 #111
I don't give a fuck about GMOs or trendy diets CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #73
Last time I looked, some people just want to choose what they eat. djean111 Aug 2014 #76
That's the cliche. HuckleB Aug 2014 #92
So, you think people should just STFU and eat what they want, but not demand to know if djean111 Aug 2014 #96
Maybe the demands to "know what's in my food" alp227 Aug 2014 #101
Exactly. HuckleB Aug 2014 #107
How am I doing any such thing? HuckleB Aug 2014 #102
Conservatives love to project and bitch about liberals. Who is trying to dictate what an individual TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #95
Yup. Nailed it. djean111 Aug 2014 #97
Hogwash. HuckleB Aug 2014 #104
No, and if it was left to that I wouldn't make the charge but you want to eliminate consumer choice TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #119
And yet anti-GMO propagandists are trying to use law to foment fear and... HuckleB Aug 2014 #124
weak H2O Man Aug 2014 #77
Concerns for the rights and well-being of animals is not anything like sex moralism. Unvanguard Aug 2014 #81
GMO's are about profit not people. KG Aug 2014 #82
. LiberalElite Aug 2014 #83
I've been seen drinking inexpensive beer. hunter Aug 2014 #84
Excellent article. Iron Man Aug 2014 #85
This article illustrates that skeptics can be just as bone-headed as "woo" people. DanTex Aug 2014 #87
You seem to be taking things much too seriously. HuckleB Aug 2014 #91
I don't understand, what I am taking too seriously? DanTex Aug 2014 #93
First, pay attention to the "food movement." HuckleB Aug 2014 #106
Depends what you mean by the "food movement". DanTex Aug 2014 #110
Actually, if you look at much of his writing, and then look at the science... HuckleB Aug 2014 #112
Hmm, so he tweeted a headline from ChiTribune. DanTex Aug 2014 #116
I just gave you links that show some of the bad information he has spread. HuckleB Aug 2014 #122
If people cared as much about those who grow, process, package, ship and stock the food as they did Brickbat Aug 2014 #90
Stupid article based on a stupid and largely false and unsupported premise TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #94
I get it. HuckleB Aug 2014 #98
Challenged by unsupported bullshit that that equates wanting to know about your food to anti-gay TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #118
You clearly don't understand what the term "unsupported" means. HuckleB Aug 2014 #123
This is the best the Mosanto shills can do? U4ikLefty Aug 2014 #120
Yep. When you got no game, you lose. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #126
It's not a game. HuckleB Aug 2014 #129
I'm not anti-science. I'm anti-corporate bullshit. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #131
Nice cliche. HuckleB Aug 2014 #136
The irony will be lost on you, I'm sure. HuckleB Aug 2014 #128
I just don't see what the problem is with SOMEONE pointing out what senseandsensibility Aug 2014 #134
Doctors do so do it. HuckleB Aug 2014 #139

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
1. yes!
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:27 PM
Aug 2014

What happened to live and let live? What happened to equal and different being ok? I hate rightwingers in the bedroom and liberals in the kitchen Control freaks suck no matter what thier politics.Authoritarians and bullies,busybodies and stuck up asshats suck too!

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
2. Indeed.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:31 PM
Aug 2014

And what happened to science-based evidence as prerequisite for promoting legislation?

Something has gone askew, and fear-mongering rules the day, unfortunately, on all sides.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
4. So perfectly put.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:44 PM
Aug 2014

I'm a 22-year-long Portland resident, and I love the cliches the show represents. Of course, we see them in action, every day, but, of course, those folks don't represent the majority by a long shot. Still... pro and con. How to find that balance?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
67. OMG!
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 07:19 AM
Aug 2014

I've never seen the show, but I have to watch it now! Hysterical. What's so funny is that there actually ARE people like this. Is it on DVD yet?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
5. what another steaming pile. Listen, how those pigs on the farm are raised impacts the environment
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:21 AM
Aug 2014

greatly.

The herbicides and pesticides used grown GMO's using mono-crop cultivation is also impacting our environment.

So I am concerned about citizens getting health care AND the impact industrial food production practices.

So-called skeptics are really very rigid and compartmentalized in their thinking.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
6. Thanks for the claims.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:22 AM
Aug 2014

Science is still waiting for a consensus of peer-reviewed evidence to support them.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
14. In the interim, why do you hate democracy? Consumers can't
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:44 AM
Aug 2014

decide for themselves? How European.

This is America. I think they should be able to decide if they want to buy GMO foods, even if - at the end of the day - their fears are unfounded. Labeling GMO products should be absolutely mandatory.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
60. The articly you posted is full of baseless assumptions and accusations.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 03:38 AM
Aug 2014

Fox News agrees with YOU. And they share the same assholey attitude as well.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
86. Actually, Fox is a very apt comparison to the food fear mongerers.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:16 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Neither deals with the real world, but both are adamant that their fictions are right.

PS: http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/jul/16/ngos-nonprofits-gmos-genetically-modified-foods-biotech

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
137. I thought you were not anti-science.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:57 AM
Aug 2014

Then why do you think this line of anecdotal nonsense is worth the time of day?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
135. Monsanto Threatens Fox
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:29 AM
Aug 2014
Monsanto Threatens Fox

On the Friday before Monday's air date, Monsanto's lawyer faxed a letter to Roger Ailes, the head of Fox News in New York, claiming that the series was biased and unscientific. It threatened, "There is a lot at stake in what is going on in Florida, not only for Monsanto, but also for Fox News and its owner." Rupert Murdoch, of course is the owner, and part of what was at stake was lots of Monsanto advertising dollars--for the Florida station, the entire Fox network, and Murdoch's Actmedia, a major advertising agency used by Monsanto. Fox pulled the series for "further review."

After the Florida station's general manager, who had a background in investigative reporting, meticulously vetted the show, he verified that every statement was accurate and unbiased. The station re-scheduled the series for the following week.

Monsanto's attorney immediately sent another, more strongly worded letter to Ailes, this time indicating that the news story "could lead to serious damage to Monsanto and dire consequences for Fox News." The airing was postponed indefinitely.

The Florida station's general manager and news manager were soon fired, and according to Wilson, the new general manager was a salesman with no news experience. Wilson tried to convince him to run the rbGH story on its merits. He said Monsanto's whole PR campaign was based on the false statement that milk from rbGH-treated cows is "the same safe wholesome product we've always known." But even Monsanto's own studies showed this to be a lie, and it could be endangering the public. Wilson recounted to me,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/monsanto-forced-fox-tv-to_b_186428.html


"I tried to appeal to his basic sense of why this is news. He responded, 'Don't tell me what news is. We paid $2 billion for these television stations and the news is what we say it is. We'll tell you what the news is.'" - Investigative Reporter Steve Wilson
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
78. The salient point is that the 'best science' of any given moment might be proven wrong by the 'best
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:10 AM
Aug 2014

science' in the next moment. Those who embrace the 'best science' of any moment without question as if it was a settled matter are practicing something faith based, not grounded in reality. Reality shows us that 'the best of medical science' held the belief that gay people were sick and that this sickness could be treated and cured by such methods as lobotomy, isolation, prolonged ice water baths and other utterly discredited barbarisms. A person who always stood with the 'best science' would have been a person in favor of the chemical castration of gay men. People did that, all in the name of 'science and modern medicine' and they did so right up until the 1970's, within my lifetime. To this day, some doctors and 'people of science' still mistreat LGBT people, from Ben Carson to that twerp in CA who listed a gay man as having 'chonic homosexuality' just this month.
So there is that perspective. The religious right and the 'scientific community' over the years have been neck in neck at the homophobic finish.

alp227

(32,062 posts)
117. Conflating Ben Carson and Elaine Jones with GMO's is the "science was wrong before" fallacy.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:08 PM
Aug 2014
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Science_was_wrong_before

Carson and Jones (the "chronic homosexuality" quack) both continue to hold their pseudoscientific views nearly 4 decades after the APA declared homosexuality not to be a mental disorder. Also, science isn't necessarily in a "right/wrong" binary spectrum...there's all sorts of nuance in it. The bottom line is, go where the evidence goes (and no, shoddy square-peg-in-round-hole "studies" like Seralini are NOT evidence).

alp227

(32,062 posts)
99. Article doesn't deny the point about pigs.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:47 PM
Aug 2014

Only alleges there is a zero sum mindset among people more concerned about factory farms treatment of animals than workers.

And the cost of being skeptical is the rejection of certain ideas. An open mind does not mean "anything goes".

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
8. Indeed. Food is not important at all to black liberals. This author hasn't a clue of the rural and
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:36 AM
Aug 2014

urban fresh food farming movement initiated and sustained by black and brown people dedicated to feeding their community.

Farm Together Now. http://farmtogethernow.org/the-farms/

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
10. I like how you respond with something that addresses nothing.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:41 AM
Aug 2014

A classic "white liberal" response, which, of course, can come from any individual of any origination.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
25. I see. A black liberal is really a white liberal when they initiate sustainable rural & urban farms.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:55 AM
Aug 2014

Got it.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
9. Considering your DU history ("I never met a Frankenfood I didn't like"),
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:40 AM
Aug 2014

I would have expected someone like you to have opened this topic up - for the, what, 15th or 20th time...?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
30. Indeed. GMO corn is showering the food insecure with its bounty.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:02 AM
Aug 2014

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
The starving chortled in their joy.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
37. I like you're supremely overt confession!
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:18 AM
Aug 2014

Thank you for supporting what the OP and those who are working to decrease food insecurity have pointed out.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
43. If I see any evidence that GMO producers are delivering food to humans that can digest it instead of
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:04 AM
Aug 2014

cows that can't, then yes, I will blame it on GMOs.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
47. How in the world did New Yorker's survive until that first anemic tomato shipped from CA in the
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:12 AM
Aug 2014

middle of winter.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
88. I'm not defending Monsanto.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:18 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

However, the anti-GMO movement's love of documentaries that are so dishonest that one would think they are parodies is not a good thing. The science of the matter does matter. Go there.

PS: http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/

Archae

(46,354 posts)
22. Appropriate for food faddism.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:52 AM
Aug 2014

Because by the time it gets to the consumer, they are out of their tree.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
24. Yep! And those who can afford it feel great about themselves!
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:54 AM
Aug 2014

Those who can't are not noticed. And that's the problem with DU and white liberals on this issue.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
20. I WANT THE WHITE LIBERAL LEAD PAINT POLICE OUT OF MY HOUSE NOW!
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:48 AM
Aug 2014

Oh sure, the rest of those white liberals in western world banned lead decades before we did in the U.S. because you know, SCIENCE! THEIR science said, "Na ah." But our American Exceptional science said, "Go ahead and slather it on your baby's crib!"

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
21. Is past ignorance the only thing you can offer to support your current claims?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:50 AM
Aug 2014

That might make the typical person question him or herself.


HMMMMMMMM.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
23. What really worries me about the future of this country and the planet...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:53 AM
Aug 2014

... is the lack of thought put into responding to this OP. The lack of desire to question oneself.

The reality is that I am a proud liberal! I am a proud progressive!

Still, for some reason, so many of my fellows refuse to go to the source and challenge beliefs that may actually harm the cause.

Yeah, that's what keeps me up at night.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
100. And, I take it, your forebears fought against the Allies in WWII?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:55 PM
Aug 2014

You've got a cute all-American sounding screen name, but you hate informed consumers, you hate democracy, and if it worries you, whatever 'it' is, I'm encouraged.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
103. "Informed consumers."
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:59 PM
Aug 2014

It's interesting that the people who want to be informed don't bother to inform themselves. They simply buy into fear mongering blindly.

If it's information they want, why aren't they ignoring so much information?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
113. LOL - it's a beautiful Saturday, and here you are.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:21 PM
Aug 2014
Wasting it on an internet discussion forum, haha. I think DU - and the world - wins here.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
49. Oh my god, what happens when kinky sex is combined with genetically modified strawberries and
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:25 AM
Aug 2014

non-organic whipped cream?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
64. Honestly, I think the whole food combined with sex thing is vastly overrated.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 04:27 AM
Aug 2014

I mean, seriously. Who wants to constantly be washing lemon meringue out of their sheets? Not me!

Perhaps I'm just too practical, but my opinion is, Have the sex, then eat the food. Or eat the food, then have the sex.

Needless to say, I thought 9½ Weeks was a dumb movie, too.

RandiFan1290

(6,245 posts)
68. How do you know a poster's race?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 07:21 AM
Aug 2014

Or is this another of your physic race readings?

Like the time you assumed a shooting was gang related only because the shooter was black...

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
29. Before you chase white liberals out of your kitchen, check with your doctor.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:01 AM
Aug 2014

Take your doctor's advice on health. The more information we have on any issue, whether diet or contraception, the better we can make up our own minds. And that is what it is all about.

Science is the best method to inform liberalism. Absolutely true.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
31. Just like the author of the piece, I'm only chasing science and doctor despising liberals...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:03 AM
Aug 2014

... out of my kitchen.

Of all the DU divides, this is probably the most important, and the most ignored.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
40. If you mean pushing fiction based fears is wrong and harmful, then are on the money.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:51 AM
Aug 2014

If you think the OP is off-base, well, you are in league with Fox News.

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
46. Yeah, we don't agree with you so we must watch Fox. Sounds like classic Fox.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:11 AM
Aug 2014

Rigid, inflexible, you either agree or you are wrong.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
115. Yeh, those of us who want GMO food packages labeled, and who are concerned
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:37 PM
Aug 2014

about the possible effects of GMO's on the environment must be Fox News watchers, right? Or is it the fact that we are stifling corporate interests and profits that has you so upset about people with legitimate concerns about the environment, and what we put into our bodies?

I'm a vegetarian, have been an organic food farmer, and have used Mendelian genetics (within the same species) to breed plants and create unique hybrid plants with specific desired characteristics. I have never watched Fox News, haven't watched TV for several decades, and as a liberal, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Whole Foods store. And I don't tell people what they should eat.

GM technology enables technicians to place into a plant's genome genes from other species of plants, from bacteria, viruses, animals, etc...and there's no fucking way on earth that we can know the long term effects of this inter-species gene swapping at this point in time.

This is a legitimate concern for many people. Until Monsanto, etc. stops their "don't worry children, this stuff will never hurt you, move along now, (we have tons of profit to make)" propaganda, and proves that there will not be any health, environmental, etc. problems caused by this unnatural inter-species genetic modification process, people will have this legitimate concern. And there is no way to prove that GMO's are safe without testing them on large subject populations and natural environments over a period of many decades. What GMO marketing corporations are doing right now is testing their GMO's on us to make sure that they are safe, and, of course, making gazillions in profit while using us as their lab rats, and the earth as their lab environment.

It's simply not reasonable to turn so many brand new organisms loose on the planet without substantial research proving that these organisms will not be harmful in the long term. The "don't worry, if it breaks, we'll fix it" argument doesn't work with anyone but idiots and corporations drooling over major profits.

Regulation of genetically modified organisms in the European Union

The regulations concerning the import and sale of GMOs for human and animal consumption grown outside the EU involve providing freedom of choice to the farmers and consumers.[7] All food (including processed food) or feed which contains greater than 0.9% of approved GMOs must be labelled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_genetically_modified_organisms_in_the_European_Union


Twenty-Six Countries Ban GMOs—Why Won’t the US?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176863/twenty-six-countries-ban-gmos-why-wont-us

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
121. Yes.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 07:22 PM
Aug 2014

You have no justification for your fear mongering, just like Fox News.

How do you not get that?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
125. In the video below, I'm the 14 yr. old liberal girl, and you are the old conservative
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:46 PM
Aug 2014

corporate curmudgeon guy.

Sucks to be pushing the Monsanto line exactly like him, doesn't it?



Your fail is the same as his fail, my win is the same as her win.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
130. A principled case against labeling products made with GMO's? *snarf* *giggle*
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:58 AM
Aug 2014

Are you kidding me?

Got any more snake oil?

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
138. Why does science scare you?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:58 AM
Aug 2014

Why do you think it's ok to just make things up and call such propaganda valid?

That is what the anti-GMO movement does. Can you actually show one thing in that piece that is wrong?

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
45. The enemy may well guard a bridge, pretending to be "liberal and progressive".
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:07 AM
Aug 2014

Meanwhile smearing everyone who does not agree with them as "not science based", while ignoring the science that does not support their rhetoric. It's a closed loop with you know who at the center.

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
39. When asking the server how the animal being served
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:43 AM
Aug 2014
was prepared, no one seems to wonder whether that server has basic health insurance or whether that server is affected by the fact that the restaurant industry has one of the highest rates of sexual harassment and lowest rates of pay.

I refuse to live my life worrying 24/7 about such things.

Response to HuckleB (Reply #41)

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
52. I buy organic because
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:45 AM
Aug 2014

I consider it best for my health. I buy from local farmer's markets as much as possible, as well as the organic section of Whole Foods and other markets. As I'm also for a healthier diet in the main, I also want those who provide such services to succeed. When dining out, I try as much as possible to support those who provide healthy food.

Beyond that, I don't make inquiry as to how they pay their employees, whether or not they provide health insurance, if their employees have an adequate retirement policy in place, or demand a release from the chicken's parents absolving me from all liability for consuming their offspring.

And you?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
48. I have noticed I've developed an acute intolerance to people talking about their gluten intolerance.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:19 AM
Aug 2014

Usually- unless they happen to be the small portion of the population that actually has celiac's disease- my reaction involves a small amount of involuntary motor activity, like eye-rolling.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
53. It's very in.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:46 AM
Aug 2014

As long as they're still vaccinating their kids, though, I don't care all that much either way.

Freddie

(9,275 posts)
79. Or how all carbs are evil
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:30 AM
Aug 2014

My brother eats no carbs, not even fruit and limited non-starchy veggies. I do and enjoy my carbs guilt-free. Needless to say it's not fun trying to find a restaurant that will suit his needs, or to entertain him at home. The lectures are worse than the actual food accommodations.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
50. I want the corporatist Monsanto GMO goons out of my country...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:41 AM
Aug 2014

Is that too much to ask?

As more and more nations around the world enact total or partial bans on GMOs, the USA and its pet-profit poisoner, Monsanto, looks more and more like the skunk in the woodpile.

I remain a citizen of that world and I remain focused on freeing it from such toxic corporations.


The Great Boycott: Monsanto and the GMA May 18, 2014 by Organic Consumers Association

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/05/18/great-boycott-monsanto-and-gma


Our motto for Monsanto and GMA products must become: Don’t buy them. Don’t sell them. Don’t grow them. And don’t let your financial institution, university, church, labor union or pension fund invest in them.


Seven ways to fight back

(1) Stop buying all non-organic processed foods.

(2) Patronize grocers, coops and community restaurants that serve organic, cooked-from-scratch, local food.

(3) Cook at home with healthy organic ingredients.

(4) Buy only heirloom, open-pollinated, and/or organic seeds.

(5) Boycott all lawn and garden inputs (chemicals, fertilizers, etc.) unless they are “OMRI Approved,” which means they are allowed in organic production.

(6) Read the labels on everything you buy. If a GMA member company owns the product, don’t buy it.

(7) Download the Buycott app for your smartphone and join OCA's new campaign, "Buy Organic Brands that Support Your Right to Know" so you can scan products before you buy them.


(see the article for a complete list of all the GMA companies to boycott)

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
89. In other words...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:20 AM
Aug 2014

You are working hard for other corporate goons who want to do that same Monsanto does: Increase profits.

Neither of them are worth the time of day.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
57. That analogy is off the mark. Not the same thing at all.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 03:35 AM
Aug 2014

The religious zealots are trying to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body.

People who care about where their food came from - and it's about their own health as well as the treatment of the earth/animals - are not telling other people what they can and cannot eat. And in no way does caring about the production of your food and the treatment of the animals preclude caring about your fellow human being that is working in the restaurant. How does that person even reach that conclusion? It does not follow any logic at all.

That piece is a full of false assumptions and accusations and not at all based on any reality or valid criteria.

Fail.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
75. One of the talking points for pro-GMO people to use against liberals is
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 08:45 AM
Aug 2014

to say that 'being against GMO food is like being a climate change denier.' The OP is presenting a slightly different version of that nonsense here. Yet another version of this fallacy states that if you don't agree with their shell-game cigarette science then you are 'anti-science.'

One thing that is truly anti-science is ignoring statistics like the ones that show that concerns about GMO span the political spectrum from old school environmentalists to RW and Libertarian preppers.

With safety concerns widespread, Americans almost unanimously favor mandatory labels on genetically modified foods. And most say they'd use those labels to avoid the food.

Barely more than a third of the public believes that genetically modified foods are safe to eat. Instead 52 percent believe such foods are unsafe, and an additional 13 percent are unsure about them. That's broad doubt on the very basic issue of food safety.

Nearly everyone, moreover — 93 percent — says the federal government should require labels on food saying whether it's been genetically modified, or "bio-engineered" (this poll used both phrases). Such near-unanimity in public opinion is rare.


http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97567

So why try to make GMO into a "liberal" issue? Perhaps because those funding the campaign against labeling GMO foods have always viewed liberals as the enemy.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
109. Actually, if you pay attention to what the "food movement" is doing, it is very much the same thing.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:16 PM
Aug 2014

Why NGOs can’t be trusted on GMOs
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/jul/16/ngos-nonprofits-gmos-genetically-modified-foods-biotech

Africa on GMOs: Scientific response to anti-technology NGOs
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/

Have you not noted how many DU posters will cry for a ban on GMOs, period?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. Not sure about that analogy....
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 04:35 AM
Aug 2014

Isn't that nutty family with the nineteen or twenty kids with the reality show proudly associated with the religious right?

Kids don't grow on trees, so they must be getting here somehow.

And I know liberals who love shit food and don't particularly worry about the source of it. In Blue Massachusetts, there are plenty of McDonald's, BK's, Taco Bells, etc., and believe me, those patrons aren't voting for John McCain. They aren't hectoring people about GMOs and they call Whole Foods "Whole Paycheck."

I think there's more than a little generalization going on in that article. The author has apparently never heard of CRUNCHY CONS (I tried to talk about them a few years back here, when the article - not the book - first came out, and was shouted down, as though the notion was somehow impossible--well, here's news, they're out there).


http://www.amazon.com/Crunchy-Cons-Birkenstocked-evangelical-homeschooling/dp/1400050642


When a National Review colleague teased writer Rod Dreher one day about his visit to the local food co-op to pick up a week’s supply of organic vegetables (“Ewww, that’s so lefty”), he started thinking about the ways he and his conservative family lived that put them outside the bounds of conventional Republican politics. Shortly thereafter Dreher wrote an essay about “crunchy cons,” people whose “Small Is Beautiful” style of conservative politics often put them at odds with GOP orthodoxy, and sometimes even in the same camp as lefties outside the Democratic mainstream. The response to the article was impassioned: Dreher was deluged by e-mails from conservatives across America—everyone from a pro-life vegetarian Buddhist Republican to an NRA staffer with a passion for organic gardening—who responded to say, “Hey, me too!”

In Crunchy Cons, Dreher reports on the amazing depth and scope of this phenomenon, which is redefining the taxonomy of America’s political and cultural landscape. At a time when the Republican party, and the conservative movement in general, is bitterly divided over what it means to be a conservative, Dreher introduces us to people who are pioneering a way back to the future by reclaiming what’s best in conservatism—people who believe that being a truly committed conservative today means protecting the environment, standing against the depredations of big business, returning to traditional religion, and living out conservative godfather Russell Kirk’s teaching that the family is the institution most necessary to preserve...


A lot of these people are Tea Partiers, these days--they want everyone to be self-reliant, and let all those people on social services be abandoned to their families' care. If their families won't care for them, they perish.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
76. Last time I looked, some people just want to choose what they eat.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 08:56 AM
Aug 2014

Your approach is fuck you, you will eat what you are served, and it is none of your damned business what is in it or how it is made.
The "white liberal police" just want to choose what THEY are eating - personally, I don't care what is in your kitchen.
Oh, and the guilt trip about the servers is not even relevant, it is ridiculous. Why not mention starving children in Africa.
You bottom line is still "it is none of your damned business what kind of food you eat, so STFU and buy what you are told to buy". Fail, and you must know it is a fail.

Your doggedness, while impressive, really changes no minds at all. Seems a waste.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
92. That's the cliche.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:29 AM
Aug 2014

But, in the end, those who use that cliche are actually working to tell other people what to eat, what to grow, and that they should pay more for their food, even if they can't afford it.

BTW, there are people who do challenge their own preconceptions. I used to buy into the anti-GMO BS, myself. And I know plenty of people at DU who have done the same in the past couple years.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
96. So, you think people should just STFU and eat what they want, but not demand to know if
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:58 AM
Aug 2014

what they are eating is, in actuality, what they want to put into their bodies.
You don't think you are working to tell other people what to eat? Really?

Telling other people what to grow - hey, this is the free hand of the marketplace. The Monsantos of this world fucking hate that free hand, they want that free hand chopped off.
Do you disagree with labeling ingredients in order of amount, too? Do you just want to see boxes of stuff label eat this and shut up? Should buying food just be a crap-shoot? Does it offend you that I have not bought corn in years? No one needs corn, corn is just a grain that is best used to fatten livestock. My not buying corn is not telling you to not buy corn. It is a free choice.

People are asking for labeling. Absent labels, I just avoid the stuff I suspect is GMO. I don't just shrug my shoulders and buy it.
And are you against supporting local growers? All money should flow to the big corporations?

No, poor people cannot afford organic at this time. Maybe if enough organic is grown, prices will come down. But that is no reason to just not have organic food.

alp227

(32,062 posts)
101. Maybe the demands to "know what's in my food"
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:56 PM
Aug 2014

is invalid due to a faulty premise of what "genetically modified" means.

There is a line between fulfilling a genuine right to know vs feeding paranoid fantasies & ignorance of science.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
102. How am I doing any such thing?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:57 PM
Aug 2014

How many forests do you want to slay in order to grow more organic food? For what purpose? It's time to stop talking about a choice, when you don't even want to know the reality of the foods that we now have.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
95. Conservatives love to project and bitch about liberals. Who is trying to dictate what an individual
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:49 AM
Aug 2014

their own body and look at who is stretching themselves to come up with a way to attack liberals here.

Absolutely authoritarian, left hating garbage.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
104. Hogwash.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:00 PM
Aug 2014

It is not authoritarian to point out the very authoritarian silliness of the very uninformed and fear mongering "food movement."

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
119. No, and if it was left to that I wouldn't make the charge but you want to eliminate consumer choice
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 03:02 PM
Aug 2014

and dictate what people eat by fucking law and that is where the guilty as charged rolls in no matter how wrong you think your opposition is.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
124. And yet anti-GMO propagandists are trying to use law to foment fear and...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 07:25 PM
Aug 2014

... to stop good science research.

Anti-GMO = sick, authoritarian religion.

Unvanguard

(4,588 posts)
81. Concerns for the rights and well-being of animals is not anything like sex moralism.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:45 AM
Aug 2014

Some of the other things noted in this article might be, though.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
83. .
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:55 AM
Aug 2014
This is one unadulterated load of regurgitated same-old same-old preconceived notions that if you care about animals somehow there isn't room in your consciousness to also care about humans. It isn't one or the other. I care about both. I have a well developed social conscience and I don't eat animals. I don't wear animals. I've also attended demos against (partial list) police brutality, sweatshops, child labor and war. Yes, I have a job and I pay taxes. I even have a life. It's pathetic to have to declare all this on a "progressive" discussion board but there it is. You're not as progressive as you think.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
84. I've been seen drinking inexpensive beer.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 10:47 AM
Aug 2014

And not just the hipster brands like PBR.

Oh noes!

But holy crap, I don't know which is worse, the self-righteous dietary "skepticism" or self-righteous dietary "prattle."

We don't use pesticides in our own house or garden. We've managed to create a stable environment where these are unnecessary. But we do treat the dogs before we visit tick country.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
87. This article illustrates that skeptics can be just as bone-headed as "woo" people.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:17 AM
Aug 2014

For example, the link she describes as "imperialist" is this: http://noblesavagefoods.com/. "Imperialist"? What? That link is to a place that sells paleo foods. Paleo is "trendy", yes, but that's totally different from "imperialist". My guess is that the blogger just thought "imperialist" was a cool word to use to describe something she doesn't like. The diet that website is selling is basically low in sugars and processed carbohydrates, both of which are bad for you, so I don't see the problem.

Also, the suggestion that "white liberals" or any liberals for that matter don't care about child labor or low wages in restaurants is completely unfounded. In fact, I remember a few months ago the quintessential "white liberal" Chris Hayes devoted a whole episode to striking fast food workers, and labor standards for farm workers and migrant workers is something that most liberals I know do care about.

The article completely ignores the fact that there are huge problems with our food production system. The only thing it gets right is the fact that GMOs are not one of those problems. But, the fact of the matter is, following just about any of the "trendy" diets around -- paleo, zone, macrobiotic, whatever -- is going to be healthier than eating a diet of fast food and processed meats and grains.

Here is a much better article about what matters and what doesn't in the food industry written by Mark Bittman, who points out that, yes "GMOs" and "organic" are buzzwords that obscure the problems that are actually important. But he manages to do it without introducing other buzzwords like "imperialist" which are even dumber.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/opinion/bittman-leave-organic-out-of-it.html

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
91. You seem to be taking things much too seriously.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:25 AM
Aug 2014

And you are ignoring the reality that the "food movement," along with other silliness like the "anti-fluoride" folks, is largely white, and will actually tell people they should spend more money on food, while not considering the reality that many people simply cannot do so.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
93. I don't understand, what I am taking too seriously?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:35 AM
Aug 2014

That people who buy into the paleo diet are "imperialist"? That's a direct quote from the article.

That white liberals don't care about farm labor or wages for restaurant workers? I don't know any liberals of any race that don't care about those things. Like I said, Chris Hayes did a whole show on fast food workers. Stephen Colbert testified in front of congress about migrant farm workers.

The article you posted hardly even acknowledges that there are huge problems with the food production system we have, and for the most part, "white liberals" are on the right side of these issues. The only thing she gets right is that focus on GMOs is misguided. The rest is just a pointless rant, full of wild hyperbole that is just as bad as the hyperbole about GMOs.

Did you read the Mark Bittman article I linked to? Bittman is very much part of the "food movement", and he manages to point out that "organic" and "GMO" are not the real issues, while at the same time explaining that, yes, there are serious issues with our food industry.

I wonder why the author of the article ignores "white liberals" like Bittman, instead going on a tirade against the imaginary "imperialism" of paleo-dieters. Maybe you and the author of the article are the ones taking things too seriously.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
106. First, pay attention to the "food movement."
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:08 PM
Aug 2014

It's very white, and it does not care about anything but selfish aims.

Obsessing on the use of the term "imperialist" is getting in your way.

PS: http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
110. Depends what you mean by the "food movement".
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:19 PM
Aug 2014

Is Mark Bittman not part of the food movement? Yeah, he's white and liberal. And he writes for the New York Times. Yet everything I've seen from him (and there are others like him) is pretty spot-on.

Like I said, what this OP illustrates is that the food movement skeptics can be every bit as nutty as the nuts on the other side. And it's not just the "imperialist" part, although hopefully you agree that anyone who calls the paleo diet "imperialist" needs to get their head examined.

If you want to link to an article that intelligently points out some of the misconceptions of the food movement, that would be great. But the article in the OP isn't it.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
112. Actually, if you look at much of his writing, and then look at the science...
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:21 PM
Aug 2014

... you will find that he is often way off base. He's not as bad as some, but he still pushes a lot of bad propaganda.

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/06/12/pollan-and-bittman-the-morano-and-milloy-of-gmo-anti-science/

Yes, he did publish on piece that was not fully in line with "food movement" propaganda, and boy did he catch heck for that: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/05/09/gmo-fear-train-left-station/#.U--Tg_ldWGc

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
116. Hmm, so he tweeted a headline from ChiTribune.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:42 PM
Aug 2014

I haven't read the article, maybe it was inaccurate. But I personally haven't seen much (or any) bad propaganda pushed by Bittman and others like him. When I read Bittman articles and compare them to the absurd hyperbole from the OP, it's pretty obvious where the "bad propaganda" is coming from.

This is not to say that there are no legitimate criticisms of the food movement, or of Bittman specifically. But the OP isn't one of them. None of what the OP claims applies to Bittman or any other mainstream "food movement liberal" that I know of. Not the imperialism, not the stuff about ignoring the conditions of farm or restaurant workers, none of it.

Obviously you've read a lot about the topic. Why don't you post some intelligent articles, instead of the junk from the OP?

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
90. If people cared as much about those who grow, process, package, ship and stock the food as they did
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:22 AM
Aug 2014

about the food itself, the labor movement would be much better off, for one thing.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
94. Stupid article based on a stupid and largely false and unsupported premise
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:39 AM
Aug 2014

Get out of my kitchen immediately followed by no examples of "white liberals" (only white people care about what they eat, a lie) being in her kitchen and instead went on a weird wag of the finger tour of accusing people that care about their food not caring about labor and not doing enough about the availability of quality food broadly though seemingly complaining the current levels had risen to fundies trying to ban, punish, or second class gay relationships which is at least bordering on incomprehensibly obscene and fact free statement.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
98. I get it.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 12:18 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

You don't want to be challenged on the issue.

I'm not surprised. Unfortunately, the "food movement" is quite real, and is quite white, and it does not work for anything but selfish aims.

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
118. Challenged by unsupported bullshit that that equates wanting to know about your food to anti-gay
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:57 PM
Aug 2014

bigotry in its intrusiveness yet says enough hasn't been done.

No, I don't see such idiocy as a personal challenge at all. The article is of yahoo comments quality.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
123. You clearly don't understand what the term "unsupported" means.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 07:24 PM
Aug 2014

Anti-GMO propaganda is unsupported. It has never been supported. It is bad, ugly, fear mongering at its worst.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
120. This is the best the Mosanto shills can do?
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 03:08 PM
Aug 2014

drinking game: take a drink every time a pro-Monsanto shill uses the word "science".

hope you have a big bottle

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
129. It's not a game.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:36 PM
Aug 2014

Real people lose when anti-science fear mongering wins the day.

It's quite sick to pretend otherwise.

senseandsensibility

(17,146 posts)
134. I just don't see what the problem is with SOMEONE pointing out what
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:28 AM
Aug 2014

good nutrition is. Doctors don't do it, corporations don't do it (lol), "journalists" don't do it. Someone needs to do it. And in spite of the defensive squeals to the contrary, most liberals don't do so in an offensive manner. In fact, most go out of their way to be considerate. It amazes me that no matter how diplomatic a poster on DU (a progressive website the last time I checked) tries to be when posting info about good nutrition, the majority of the responses are rude or defensive. I am not a vegan, a vegetarian, or even a particularly healthy eater. Nevertheless, I appreciate fact based information, and do not get defensive when it is provided.

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