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Sorry, but I couldn't resist. This piece is on the money, and it combines many DU issues of recent origin.
Anyway, I am mostly unavailable for the coming days, and completely unavailable, very soon, for several weeks. Still...
http://skepchick.org/2014/07/food-is-for-white-liberals-what-sex-is-for-the-religious-right/
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Bring up reproductive rights and liberals shake their heads and remark on the incredible cognitive dissonance of the Religious Right. Sure, the Right is small government in theory, but its about sex, liberals shrug. Its about policing womens bodies and an obsessive desire to control what happens in peoples bedrooms. Its a complete fear and denial of scientific data in favor of emotionally overblown gut reaction.
Then you bring up GMOs. Or locally sourced meat. Or whatever diet is trendy that week.
...
When asking the server how the animal being served was prepared, no one seems to wonder whether that server has basic health insurance or whether that server is affected by the fact that the restaurant industry has one of the highest rates of sexual harassment and lowest rates of pay. When waxing poetic about the salt of the Earth farmers from which they buy their unpasteurized milk, no one seems to worry that an estimated 10 percent of American farm workers are children. When pearl-clutching over the things we dont know about GMOs, as Kavin pointed out, no one seems to be concerned about their presence in groceries found at Price Riteonly products sold at Whole Foods.
If you are not as concerned about the people handing you your food in the restaurant as you are about the pigs on the farm where it was grown, your approach is classist. If you are more concerned about the availability of food trucks in the neighboring town than whether its residents actually want them (thanks to my dear friend Tina for setting me straight on this one), or if you buy things like this (thanks to Heina for that find), your approach is imperialist. If you start telling someone all about your new trendy diet or asking them about theirs without knowing if they have an eating disorder that may be triggered by your prattle, your approach is ableist. If you tsk-tsk at people who are overweight for what they are eating and claim youre concerned about their health, yet youre not actively campaigning to make healthy food more accessible and affordable, your approach is sickening and I dont want you in my activism.
I want the Religious Right out of my bedroom and the White Liberal Food Police out of my kitchen. Is that so much to ask?"
I remain proudly liberal and progressive, and I remain focused on science as the best method to inform that liberalism.
undergroundpanther
(11,925 posts)What happened to live and let live? What happened to equal and different being ok? I hate rightwingers in the bedroom and liberals in the kitchen Control freaks suck no matter what thier politics.Authoritarians and bullies,busybodies and stuck up asshats suck too!
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And what happened to science-based evidence as prerequisite for promoting legislation?
Something has gone askew, and fear-mongering rules the day, unfortunately, on all sides.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)As a guide on how NOT to act.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I'm a 22-year-long Portland resident, and I love the cliches the show represents. Of course, we see them in action, every day, but, of course, those folks don't represent the majority by a long shot. Still... pro and con. How to find that balance?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)betsuni
(25,653 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I've never seen the show, but I have to watch it now! Hysterical. What's so funny is that there actually ARE people like this. Is it on DVD yet?
betsuni
(25,653 posts)Here's another one, the funny bit comes at the end:
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)greatly.
The herbicides and pesticides used grown GMO's using mono-crop cultivation is also impacting our environment.
So I am concerned about citizens getting health care AND the impact industrial food production practices.
So-called skeptics are really very rigid and compartmentalized in their thinking.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Science is still waiting for a consensus of peer-reviewed evidence to support them.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)decide for themselves? How European.
This is America. I think they should be able to decide if they want to buy GMO foods, even if - at the end of the day - their fears are unfounded. Labeling GMO products should be absolutely mandatory.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Fox News agrees with you.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Fox News agrees with YOU. And they share the same assholey attitude as well.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:12 PM - Edit history (1)
Neither deals with the real world, but both are adamant that their fictions are right.
PS: http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/jul/16/ngos-nonprofits-gmos-genetically-modified-foods-biotech
Zorra
(27,670 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Then why do you think this line of anecdotal nonsense is worth the time of day?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)On the Friday before Monday's air date, Monsanto's lawyer faxed a letter to Roger Ailes, the head of Fox News in New York, claiming that the series was biased and unscientific. It threatened, "There is a lot at stake in what is going on in Florida, not only for Monsanto, but also for Fox News and its owner." Rupert Murdoch, of course is the owner, and part of what was at stake was lots of Monsanto advertising dollars--for the Florida station, the entire Fox network, and Murdoch's Actmedia, a major advertising agency used by Monsanto. Fox pulled the series for "further review."
After the Florida station's general manager, who had a background in investigative reporting, meticulously vetted the show, he verified that every statement was accurate and unbiased. The station re-scheduled the series for the following week.
Monsanto's attorney immediately sent another, more strongly worded letter to Ailes, this time indicating that the news story "could lead to serious damage to Monsanto and dire consequences for Fox News." The airing was postponed indefinitely.
The Florida station's general manager and news manager were soon fired, and according to Wilson, the new general manager was a salesman with no news experience. Wilson tried to convince him to run the rbGH story on its merits. He said Monsanto's whole PR campaign was based on the false statement that milk from rbGH-treated cows is "the same safe wholesome product we've always known." But even Monsanto's own studies showed this to be a lie, and it could be endangering the public. Wilson recounted to me,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/monsanto-forced-fox-tv-to_b_186428.html
"I tried to appeal to his basic sense of why this is news. He responded, 'Don't tell me what news is. We paid $2 billion for these television stations and the news is what we say it is. We'll tell you what the news is.'" - Investigative Reporter Steve Wilson
cui bono
(19,926 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)science' in the next moment. Those who embrace the 'best science' of any moment without question as if it was a settled matter are practicing something faith based, not grounded in reality. Reality shows us that 'the best of medical science' held the belief that gay people were sick and that this sickness could be treated and cured by such methods as lobotomy, isolation, prolonged ice water baths and other utterly discredited barbarisms. A person who always stood with the 'best science' would have been a person in favor of the chemical castration of gay men. People did that, all in the name of 'science and modern medicine' and they did so right up until the 1970's, within my lifetime. To this day, some doctors and 'people of science' still mistreat LGBT people, from Ben Carson to that twerp in CA who listed a gay man as having 'chonic homosexuality' just this month.
So there is that perspective. The religious right and the 'scientific community' over the years have been neck in neck at the homophobic finish.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Ignoring the science is not a valid response.
PS: http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/jul/16/ngos-nonprofits-gmos-genetically-modified-foods-biotech
alp227
(32,062 posts)Carson and Jones (the "chronic homosexuality" quack) both continue to hold their pseudoscientific views nearly 4 decades after the APA declared homosexuality not to be a mental disorder. Also, science isn't necessarily in a "right/wrong" binary spectrum...there's all sorts of nuance in it. The bottom line is, go where the evidence goes (and no, shoddy square-peg-in-round-hole "studies" like Seralini are NOT evidence).
alp227
(32,062 posts)Only alleges there is a zero sum mindset among people more concerned about factory farms treatment of animals than workers.
And the cost of being skeptical is the rejection of certain ideas. An open mind does not mean "anything goes".
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)urban fresh food farming movement initiated and sustained by black and brown people dedicated to feeding their community.
Farm Together Now. http://farmtogethernow.org/the-farms/
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)A classic "white liberal" response, which, of course, can come from any individual of any origination.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Got it.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Thanks for the predictable, pointless response.
Do I need to write your posts for you?
PS: http://fafdl.org/blog/2014/08/14/what-the-haters-got-wrong-about-neil-degrasse-tysons-comments-on-gmos/
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I would have expected someone like you to have opened this topic up - for the, what, 15th or 20th time...?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)As you know full well.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Oddly, science is still pinning your claims rather easily.
PS: http://fafdl.org/blog/2014/08/14/what-the-haters-got-wrong-about-neil-degrasse-tysons-comments-on-gmos/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Calling out anti-science BS which works against food security is both apples and oranges.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
The starving chortled in their joy.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Try again.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Thank you for supporting what the OP and those who are working to decrease food insecurity have pointed out.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Interestingly, you've worked to make that end happen.
Oh, and you have no evidence to blame it on GMOs.
Hmmmmmmm.
PSSST: http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2014/07/21/anti-gmo-activists-are-harming-hungry-africans/
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)cows that can't, then yes, I will blame it on GMOs.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Yes, that is boring.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)middle of winter.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And why are you defending them?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)
However, the anti-GMO movement's love of documentaries that are so dishonest that one would think they are parodies is not a good thing. The science of the matter does matter. Go there.
PS: http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/
Archae
(46,354 posts)Because by the time it gets to the consumer, they are out of their tree.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Those who can't are not noticed. And that's the problem with DU and white liberals on this issue.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Oh sure, the rest of those white liberals in western world banned lead decades before we did in the U.S. because you know, SCIENCE! THEIR science said, "Na ah." But our American Exceptional science said, "Go ahead and slather it on your baby's crib!"
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)That might make the typical person question him or herself.
HMMMMMMMM.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... is the lack of thought put into responding to this OP. The lack of desire to question oneself.
The reality is that I am a proud liberal! I am a proud progressive!
Still, for some reason, so many of my fellows refuse to go to the source and challenge beliefs that may actually harm the cause.
Yeah, that's what keeps me up at night.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)You've got a cute all-American sounding screen name, but you hate informed consumers, you hate democracy, and if it worries you, whatever 'it' is, I'm encouraged.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It's interesting that the people who want to be informed don't bother to inform themselves. They simply buy into fear mongering blindly.
If it's information they want, why aren't they ignoring so much information?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)brooklynite
(94,745 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I've got people yelling at me in both ears already. Don't go there!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)non-organic whipped cream?
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, seriously. Who wants to constantly be washing lemon meringue out of their sheets? Not me!
Perhaps I'm just too practical, but my opinion is, Have the sex, then eat the food. Or eat the food, then have the sex.
Needless to say, I thought 9½ Weeks was a dumb movie, too.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,245 posts)Or is this another of your physic race readings?
Like the time you assumed a shooting was gang related only because the shooter was black...
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Take your doctor's advice on health. The more information we have on any issue, whether diet or contraception, the better we can make up our own minds. And that is what it is all about.
Science is the best method to inform liberalism. Absolutely true.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... out of my kitchen.
Of all the DU divides, this is probably the most important, and the most ignored.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)If you think the OP is off-base, well, you are in league with Fox News.
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)Rigid, inflexible, you either agree or you are wrong.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You are going with rigid fear mongering that has not science to support it.
Pretending that it's the other way around is not viable.
PS: http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/
Zorra
(27,670 posts)about the possible effects of GMO's on the environment must be Fox News watchers, right? Or is it the fact that we are stifling corporate interests and profits that has you so upset about people with legitimate concerns about the environment, and what we put into our bodies?
I'm a vegetarian, have been an organic food farmer, and have used Mendelian genetics (within the same species) to breed plants and create unique hybrid plants with specific desired characteristics. I have never watched Fox News, haven't watched TV for several decades, and as a liberal, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Whole Foods store. And I don't tell people what they should eat.
GM technology enables technicians to place into a plant's genome genes from other species of plants, from bacteria, viruses, animals, etc...and there's no fucking way on earth that we can know the long term effects of this inter-species gene swapping at this point in time.
This is a legitimate concern for many people. Until Monsanto, etc. stops their "don't worry children, this stuff will never hurt you, move along now, (we have tons of profit to make)" propaganda, and proves that there will not be any health, environmental, etc. problems caused by this unnatural inter-species genetic modification process, people will have this legitimate concern. And there is no way to prove that GMO's are safe without testing them on large subject populations and natural environments over a period of many decades. What GMO marketing corporations are doing right now is testing their GMO's on us to make sure that they are safe, and, of course, making gazillions in profit while using us as their lab rats, and the earth as their lab environment.
It's simply not reasonable to turn so many brand new organisms loose on the planet without substantial research proving that these organisms will not be harmful in the long term. The "don't worry, if it breaks, we'll fix it" argument doesn't work with anyone but idiots and corporations drooling over major profits.
The regulations concerning the import and sale of GMOs for human and animal consumption grown outside the EU involve providing freedom of choice to the farmers and consumers.[7] All food (including processed food) or feed which contains greater than 0.9% of approved GMOs must be labelled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_genetically_modified_organisms_in_the_European_Union
Twenty-Six Countries Ban GMOsWhy Wont the US?
http://www.thenation.com/blog/176863/twenty-six-countries-ban-gmos-why-wont-us
You have no justification for your fear mongering, just like Fox News.
How do you not get that?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)corporate curmudgeon guy.
Sucks to be pushing the Monsanto line exactly like him, doesn't it?
Your fail is the same as his fail, my win is the same as her win.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I'm sorry about that.
http://fafdl.org/blog/2014/08/16/a-principled-case-against-mandatory-gmo-labels/
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Are you kidding me?
Got any more snake oil?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Why do you think it's ok to just make things up and call such propaganda valid?
That is what the anti-GMO movement does. Can you actually show one thing in that piece that is wrong?
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)Meanwhile smearing everyone who does not agree with them as "not science based", while ignoring the science that does not support their rhetoric. It's a closed loop with you know who at the center.
delete_bush
(1,712 posts)I refuse to live my life worrying 24/7 about such things.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Response to HuckleB (Reply #41)
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delete_bush
(1,712 posts)I consider it best for my health. I buy from local farmer's markets as much as possible, as well as the organic section of Whole Foods and other markets. As I'm also for a healthier diet in the main, I also want those who provide such services to succeed. When dining out, I try as much as possible to support those who provide healthy food.
Beyond that, I don't make inquiry as to how they pay their employees, whether or not they provide health insurance, if their employees have an adequate retirement policy in place, or demand a release from the chicken's parents absolving me from all liability for consuming their offspring.
And you?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Usually- unless they happen to be the small portion of the population that actually has celiac's disease- my reaction involves a small amount of involuntary motor activity, like eye-rolling.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)"Cuz it's bad for you"
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)As long as they're still vaccinating their kids, though, I don't care all that much either way.
Freddie
(9,275 posts)My brother eats no carbs, not even fruit and limited non-starchy veggies. I do and enjoy my carbs guilt-free. Needless to say it's not fun trying to find a restaurant that will suit his needs, or to entertain him at home. The lectures are worse than the actual food accommodations.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)Is that too much to ask?
As more and more nations around the world enact total or partial bans on GMOs, the USA and its pet-profit poisoner, Monsanto, looks more and more like the skunk in the woodpile.
I remain a citizen of that world and I remain focused on freeing it from such toxic corporations.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/05/18/great-boycott-monsanto-and-gma
Our motto for Monsanto and GMA products must become: Dont buy them. Dont sell them. Dont grow them. And dont let your financial institution, university, church, labor union or pension fund invest in them.
Seven ways to fight back
(1) Stop buying all non-organic processed foods.
(2) Patronize grocers, coops and community restaurants that serve organic, cooked-from-scratch, local food.
(3) Cook at home with healthy organic ingredients.
(4) Buy only heirloom, open-pollinated, and/or organic seeds.
(5) Boycott all lawn and garden inputs (chemicals, fertilizers, etc.) unless they are OMRI Approved, which means they are allowed in organic production.
(6) Read the labels on everything you buy. If a GMA member company owns the product, dont buy it.
(7) Download the Buycott app for your smartphone and join OCA's new campaign, "Buy Organic Brands that Support Your Right to Know" so you can scan products before you buy them.
(see the article for a complete list of all the GMA companies to boycott)
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You are working hard for other corporate goons who want to do that same Monsanto does: Increase profits.
Neither of them are worth the time of day.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The religious zealots are trying to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body.
People who care about where their food came from - and it's about their own health as well as the treatment of the earth/animals - are not telling other people what they can and cannot eat. And in no way does caring about the production of your food and the treatment of the animals preclude caring about your fellow human being that is working in the restaurant. How does that person even reach that conclusion? It does not follow any logic at all.
That piece is a full of false assumptions and accusations and not at all based on any reality or valid criteria.
Fail.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)to say that 'being against GMO food is like being a climate change denier.' The OP is presenting a slightly different version of that nonsense here. Yet another version of this fallacy states that if you don't agree with their shell-game cigarette science then you are 'anti-science.'
One thing that is truly anti-science is ignoring statistics like the ones that show that concerns about GMO span the political spectrum from old school environmentalists to RW and Libertarian preppers.
Barely more than a third of the public believes that genetically modified foods are safe to eat. Instead 52 percent believe such foods are unsafe, and an additional 13 percent are unsure about them. That's broad doubt on the very basic issue of food safety.
Nearly everyone, moreover 93 percent says the federal government should require labels on food saying whether it's been genetically modified, or "bio-engineered" (this poll used both phrases). Such near-unanimity in public opinion is rare.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97567
So why try to make GMO into a "liberal" issue? Perhaps because those funding the campaign against labeling GMO foods have always viewed liberals as the enemy.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Why NGOs cant be trusted on GMOs
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/jul/16/ngos-nonprofits-gmos-genetically-modified-foods-biotech
Africa on GMOs: Scientific response to anti-technology NGOs
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/
Have you not noted how many DU posters will cry for a ban on GMOs, period?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Isn't that nutty family with the nineteen or twenty kids with the reality show proudly associated with the religious right?
Kids don't grow on trees, so they must be getting here somehow.
And I know liberals who love shit food and don't particularly worry about the source of it. In Blue Massachusetts, there are plenty of McDonald's, BK's, Taco Bells, etc., and believe me, those patrons aren't voting for John McCain. They aren't hectoring people about GMOs and they call Whole Foods "Whole Paycheck."
I think there's more than a little generalization going on in that article. The author has apparently never heard of CRUNCHY CONS (I tried to talk about them a few years back here, when the article - not the book - first came out, and was shouted down, as though the notion was somehow impossible--well, here's news, they're out there).
http://www.amazon.com/Crunchy-Cons-Birkenstocked-evangelical-homeschooling/dp/1400050642
When a National Review colleague teased writer Rod Dreher one day about his visit to the local food co-op to pick up a weeks supply of organic vegetables (Ewww, thats so lefty), he started thinking about the ways he and his conservative family lived that put them outside the bounds of conventional Republican politics. Shortly thereafter Dreher wrote an essay about crunchy cons, people whose Small Is Beautiful style of conservative politics often put them at odds with GOP orthodoxy, and sometimes even in the same camp as lefties outside the Democratic mainstream. The response to the article was impassioned: Dreher was deluged by e-mails from conservatives across Americaeveryone from a pro-life vegetarian Buddhist Republican to an NRA staffer with a passion for organic gardeningwho responded to say, Hey, me too!
In Crunchy Cons, Dreher reports on the amazing depth and scope of this phenomenon, which is redefining the taxonomy of Americas political and cultural landscape. At a time when the Republican party, and the conservative movement in general, is bitterly divided over what it means to be a conservative, Dreher introduces us to people who are pioneering a way back to the future by reclaiming whats best in conservatismpeople who believe that being a truly committed conservative today means protecting the environment, standing against the depredations of big business, returning to traditional religion, and living out conservative godfather Russell Kirks teaching that the family is the institution most necessary to preserve...
A lot of these people are Tea Partiers, these days--they want everyone to be self-reliant, and let all those people on social services be abandoned to their families' care. If their families won't care for them, they perish.
marle35
(172 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Not just the OP, but your snarky replies too. Congratulations.
Cha
(297,731 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)How dare I do that.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)I care about people. This is stupid bullshit.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Your approach is fuck you, you will eat what you are served, and it is none of your damned business what is in it or how it is made.
The "white liberal police" just want to choose what THEY are eating - personally, I don't care what is in your kitchen.
Oh, and the guilt trip about the servers is not even relevant, it is ridiculous. Why not mention starving children in Africa.
You bottom line is still "it is none of your damned business what kind of food you eat, so STFU and buy what you are told to buy". Fail, and you must know it is a fail.
Your doggedness, while impressive, really changes no minds at all. Seems a waste.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)But, in the end, those who use that cliche are actually working to tell other people what to eat, what to grow, and that they should pay more for their food, even if they can't afford it.
BTW, there are people who do challenge their own preconceptions. I used to buy into the anti-GMO BS, myself. And I know plenty of people at DU who have done the same in the past couple years.
djean111
(14,255 posts)what they are eating is, in actuality, what they want to put into their bodies.
You don't think you are working to tell other people what to eat? Really?
Telling other people what to grow - hey, this is the free hand of the marketplace. The Monsantos of this world fucking hate that free hand, they want that free hand chopped off.
Do you disagree with labeling ingredients in order of amount, too? Do you just want to see boxes of stuff label eat this and shut up? Should buying food just be a crap-shoot? Does it offend you that I have not bought corn in years? No one needs corn, corn is just a grain that is best used to fatten livestock. My not buying corn is not telling you to not buy corn. It is a free choice.
People are asking for labeling. Absent labels, I just avoid the stuff I suspect is GMO. I don't just shrug my shoulders and buy it.
And are you against supporting local growers? All money should flow to the big corporations?
No, poor people cannot afford organic at this time. Maybe if enough organic is grown, prices will come down. But that is no reason to just not have organic food.
alp227
(32,062 posts)is invalid due to a faulty premise of what "genetically modified" means.
There is a line between fulfilling a genuine right to know vs feeding paranoid fantasies & ignorance of science.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)How many forests do you want to slay in order to grow more organic food? For what purpose? It's time to stop talking about a choice, when you don't even want to know the reality of the foods that we now have.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)their own body and look at who is stretching themselves to come up with a way to attack liberals here.
Absolutely authoritarian, left hating garbage.
djean111
(14,255 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It is not authoritarian to point out the very authoritarian silliness of the very uninformed and fear mongering "food movement."
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)and dictate what people eat by fucking law and that is where the guilty as charged rolls in no matter how wrong you think your opposition is.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... to stop good science research.
Anti-GMO = sick, authoritarian religion.
H2O Man
(73,623 posts)Unvanguard
(4,588 posts)Some of the other things noted in this article might be, though.
KG
(28,753 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)hunter
(38,328 posts)And not just the hipster brands like PBR.
Oh noes!
But holy crap, I don't know which is worse, the self-righteous dietary "skepticism" or self-righteous dietary "prattle."
We don't use pesticides in our own house or garden. We've managed to create a stable environment where these are unnecessary. But we do treat the dogs before we visit tick country.
Iron Man
(183 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)For example, the link she describes as "imperialist" is this: http://noblesavagefoods.com/. "Imperialist"? What? That link is to a place that sells paleo foods. Paleo is "trendy", yes, but that's totally different from "imperialist". My guess is that the blogger just thought "imperialist" was a cool word to use to describe something she doesn't like. The diet that website is selling is basically low in sugars and processed carbohydrates, both of which are bad for you, so I don't see the problem.
Also, the suggestion that "white liberals" or any liberals for that matter don't care about child labor or low wages in restaurants is completely unfounded. In fact, I remember a few months ago the quintessential "white liberal" Chris Hayes devoted a whole episode to striking fast food workers, and labor standards for farm workers and migrant workers is something that most liberals I know do care about.
The article completely ignores the fact that there are huge problems with our food production system. The only thing it gets right is the fact that GMOs are not one of those problems. But, the fact of the matter is, following just about any of the "trendy" diets around -- paleo, zone, macrobiotic, whatever -- is going to be healthier than eating a diet of fast food and processed meats and grains.
Here is a much better article about what matters and what doesn't in the food industry written by Mark Bittman, who points out that, yes "GMOs" and "organic" are buzzwords that obscure the problems that are actually important. But he manages to do it without introducing other buzzwords like "imperialist" which are even dumber.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/opinion/bittman-leave-organic-out-of-it.html
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And you are ignoring the reality that the "food movement," along with other silliness like the "anti-fluoride" folks, is largely white, and will actually tell people they should spend more money on food, while not considering the reality that many people simply cannot do so.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)That people who buy into the paleo diet are "imperialist"? That's a direct quote from the article.
That white liberals don't care about farm labor or wages for restaurant workers? I don't know any liberals of any race that don't care about those things. Like I said, Chris Hayes did a whole show on fast food workers. Stephen Colbert testified in front of congress about migrant farm workers.
The article you posted hardly even acknowledges that there are huge problems with the food production system we have, and for the most part, "white liberals" are on the right side of these issues. The only thing she gets right is that focus on GMOs is misguided. The rest is just a pointless rant, full of wild hyperbole that is just as bad as the hyperbole about GMOs.
Did you read the Mark Bittman article I linked to? Bittman is very much part of the "food movement", and he manages to point out that "organic" and "GMO" are not the real issues, while at the same time explaining that, yes, there are serious issues with our food industry.
I wonder why the author of the article ignores "white liberals" like Bittman, instead going on a tirade against the imaginary "imperialism" of paleo-dieters. Maybe you and the author of the article are the ones taking things too seriously.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It's very white, and it does not care about anything but selfish aims.
Obsessing on the use of the term "imperialist" is getting in your way.
PS: http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Is Mark Bittman not part of the food movement? Yeah, he's white and liberal. And he writes for the New York Times. Yet everything I've seen from him (and there are others like him) is pretty spot-on.
Like I said, what this OP illustrates is that the food movement skeptics can be every bit as nutty as the nuts on the other side. And it's not just the "imperialist" part, although hopefully you agree that anyone who calls the paleo diet "imperialist" needs to get their head examined.
If you want to link to an article that intelligently points out some of the misconceptions of the food movement, that would be great. But the article in the OP isn't it.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... you will find that he is often way off base. He's not as bad as some, but he still pushes a lot of bad propaganda.
http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/06/12/pollan-and-bittman-the-morano-and-milloy-of-gmo-anti-science/
Yes, he did publish on piece that was not fully in line with "food movement" propaganda, and boy did he catch heck for that: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/05/09/gmo-fear-train-left-station/#.U--Tg_ldWGc
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I haven't read the article, maybe it was inaccurate. But I personally haven't seen much (or any) bad propaganda pushed by Bittman and others like him. When I read Bittman articles and compare them to the absurd hyperbole from the OP, it's pretty obvious where the "bad propaganda" is coming from.
This is not to say that there are no legitimate criticisms of the food movement, or of Bittman specifically. But the OP isn't one of them. None of what the OP claims applies to Bittman or any other mainstream "food movement liberal" that I know of. Not the imperialism, not the stuff about ignoring the conditions of farm or restaurant workers, none of it.
Obviously you've read a lot about the topic. Why don't you post some intelligent articles, instead of the junk from the OP?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Call me confused.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)about the food itself, the labor movement would be much better off, for one thing.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Get out of my kitchen immediately followed by no examples of "white liberals" (only white people care about what they eat, a lie) being in her kitchen and instead went on a weird wag of the finger tour of accusing people that care about their food not caring about labor and not doing enough about the availability of quality food broadly though seemingly complaining the current levels had risen to fundies trying to ban, punish, or second class gay relationships which is at least bordering on incomprehensibly obscene and fact free statement.
HuckleB
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You don't want to be challenged on the issue.
I'm not surprised. Unfortunately, the "food movement" is quite real, and is quite white, and it does not work for anything but selfish aims.
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/08/14/africa-on-gmos-scientific-response-to-anti-technology-ngos/
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)bigotry in its intrusiveness yet says enough hasn't been done.
No, I don't see such idiocy as a personal challenge at all. The article is of yahoo comments quality.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Anti-GMO propaganda is unsupported. It has never been supported. It is bad, ugly, fear mongering at its worst.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)drinking game: take a drink every time a pro-Monsanto shill uses the word "science".
hope you have a big bottle
Zorra
(27,670 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Real people lose when anti-science fear mongering wins the day.
It's quite sick to pretend otherwise.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Show, don't tell.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)WOW!!!!!
senseandsensibility
(17,146 posts)good nutrition is. Doctors don't do it, corporations don't do it (lol), "journalists" don't do it. Someone needs to do it. And in spite of the defensive squeals to the contrary, most liberals don't do so in an offensive manner. In fact, most go out of their way to be considerate. It amazes me that no matter how diplomatic a poster on DU (a progressive website the last time I checked) tries to be when posting info about good nutrition, the majority of the responses are rude or defensive. I am not a vegan, a vegetarian, or even a particularly healthy eater. Nevertheless, I appreciate fact based information, and do not get defensive when it is provided.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Scam artists who pretend to do it are only aiming to increase their profits.