Now Chief says officer might have realized Brown was a suspect during encounter

[hexola]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-realized-during-encounter-that-michael-brown-might-be/article_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html

The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.

[bravenak]

1. Plenty of people buy cigars.

Having a cigar is not suspect. He needs to try harder to develop a cover story. He's looking real stupid.

[KittyWampus]

9. he's looking like a liar, too. A stupid and inept liar.

[Cha]

2. My response to him is.. "And, so?"

[Starry Messenger]

3. Pre-crime.

That police chief needs to go.

[hobbit709]

4. Chief Jackson:You realize that an axiom of police work is if the alibi keeps changing, you're lying

[66 dmhlt]

5. Since when is having cigars in your hand a CAPITAL OFFENSE?

And since when does a cop get to be Judge, Jury AND Executioner?

[tblue37]

6. So how could he wrestle the cop for his gun if his hands

were full of cigars?

[VanGoghRocks]

23. That may be the best question I've heard yet about this. Hat tip!

[avebury]

7. But the Chief had said earlier that

the officer did not know about the shoplifting event. The Chief has zero credibility because he seems to be incapable of telling the same story twice. What a difference from a group of eyewitnesses, all of whom are consistent with what they are reporting what they saw.

[underpants]

8. These clowns are like a movie director going nuts with a wormhole in his script

[KittyWampus]

10. the ineptness is almost surreal.

[hexola]

16. Or purposeful management of information...

With the goal of exacerbating a situation to create cover for the police.

[VanGoghRocks]

24. Great image\metaphor! Wow, I'm seriously in awe! Hat tip! (Reminds me

of Pirandello's Six Characters in Search of an Author.)

[underpants]

40. Thanks

I riffed on it a bit here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5395823

[Katashi_itto]

11. Chief needs to do time for abuse of power

[Harcourdt Fenton Mud]

12. What, it's not like he was carrying Skittles... NT

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. This story is extremely unlikely by their own documents

Last edited Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:20 PM - Edit history (1)

ON EDIT: I now believe that the entire post below is based on an erroneous reading of the sick call incident report. There is no property at 2491 St. Cyr. Rather, that would seem to be the location of a cell tower from which the call to dispatch came in. As far as I can tell, the sick call actually was on Glenark, the address provided. That review of the incident report essentially answers most of the questions I posed below.

There were two radio calls. One clearly notes the cigars, the other one has a complete description of Mike Brown's clothing.

The first radio call - which was the dispatch call that went out directly from 911 - seems to mention the cigars and a black male in a white t-shirt. That call went out at 11:52. The main problem here is that Officer Wilson was presumably responding to a sick call at least 3 miles away from the scene beginning at about 11:48. the sick call involved a two month old infant whose parent was concerned was not breathing. That sick call took place on St. Cyr well east of Ferguson Market and the scene of the killing (Canfield and Coppercreek Court)

Wilson must have left that scene by 11:53-11:54 in order to get back to where he killed Brown. It is at least a 7 minute drive, and Brown was killed at 12:01-12:02. Indeed, Wilson logs his address as "Glenark" when he logs the sick call, which is probably where he was, since it is much closer to the site of the killing, in the actual vicinity of Canfield. That means he was en route, driving in his car when the second radio call went out at 11:57. Here's the problem:

The second radio call apparently had a description of Brown and Johnson so complete that only an idiot would not recognize them immediately: red cards cap, white t-shirt, khaki shorts, yellow socks! Moreover, the second radio call doesn't seem to mention the cigars at all. So, a few questions:

1) Did Wilson hear the first dispatch? NOTES: How could he have heard the first when he was on the sick call? How long did the sick call take? Do we have tapes of the first dispatch? Did it actually mention the cigars as noted in the log?
2) When did Wilson leave the sick call? ON EDIT: The log is accurate here, I think. He left at 12:00.
2a) Why did he not log his departure from the sick call immediately? Why did he falsely log his departure from the sick call as 12:00. Again, it would be impossible to leave the sick call at 2491 St. Cyr at 12:00 and to arrive at Canfield and Coppercreek Court at 12:01. These sites are 3+ miles apart, and take a minimum of 6-8 minutes to drive by car. ON EDIT: This is an erroneous reading of the incident report. The sick call was not at 2491 St. Cyr. It was on Glenark. The incident report notes the location of a cell tower from which the call was received to dispatch. That's where the 2491 St. Cyr address comes from
3) Was Wilson actually on Glenark when he logged the sick call from 3 miles away? Why? When did he arrive there?ON EDIT: See above.
4) Did Wilson hear the second radio call with the fuller description? Do we have tapes of that second radio call? Does it mention the cigars (the record is unclear)? NOTE: By my calculations, perhaps wrong, Wilson must have been driving from St. Cyr to the area of Canfield when the second radio call went out at 11:58. I don't understand why he wouldn't have heard it. ON EDIT: See above
5) If Wilson heard the second radio call, why did he not recognize the two immediately?

Curiouser and curiouser...

Here's the PDF with the reports. The main pages for this post are p. 14 which details Wilson's sick call incident (14-12390), and p. 15, which details the alleged robbery (12-12388): http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf

Here are maps noting Wilson's probable locations according to his own log:


Figure 1: Distance and probable route between sick call scene on St. Cyr and log address listed on Glenark This map is based on my erroneous reading of the incident report


Figure 2: Relative locations of the log address on Glenark and the site of the killing on Canfield

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. Most police have radios on them, so they don't miss calls

when away from the cars.

The rest of the questions are very good.

They have a week to write their narrative....and STILL it keeps changing.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Agreed on the radio issue

He could certainly have heard the first dispatch that included the cigar reference. Indeed, he might argue that he heard it while he was dealing with the sick call, so he kind of registered it without paying attention, and only recalled it when he saw the cigars,. which appears to be the argument.

It still doesn't explain how he missed the second call, what he was doing in that subdivision, why he waited almost ten minutes to log his departure from St. Cyr, etc.

An enterprising journalist could probably find the parent of that kid and interview him or her pretty easily. When did this guy leave St. Cyr? It's funny: the New York Times has a story today "tracking" the lives and moments up to the meeting of Darren Wilson and Mike Brown. They include Brown's activities for the day, but they don't include Wilson's - even those that are public record, like the location of the sick call, his apparent presence on Glenark Drive, etc. These are part of the open record. Seems like lazy journalism to me.

[VanGoghRocks]

29. Is there any explanation for how Wilson came to travel from Glenark to Canfield (scene

of the shooting)? Would that just be normal patrol-car cruising the beat?

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. It would make sense that he'd go down Canfield from Glenark if he was trying to reach a main road

Indeed, the relative position of Glenark and Canfield fully explains how he was driving westbound on Canfield at the time when Brown and Johnson were crossing Canfield. He must have been on Glenark at 12:00 when he cleared the sick call (even though it was 3 miles away and he'd left 7-8 minutes before), then left and saw Brown and Johnson on Canfield a minute or two later (you could probably walk that distance in 3 minutes). There appear to be only two ways out of that subdivision on to main arteries from Glenark, the more obvious one being north to Bahama Ct, then around Glen Owen Dr, then on to Windward-Canfield, and west out on to Florissant. I still don't understand why he was on Glenark, which seems really isolated, and why he didn't log the sick call from St. Cyr until he got there.

Maybe it's just "routine patrol" and he forgot. I'm sure there are 1,000 innocent explanations. Fine. I await that explanation.

[VanGoghRocks]

37. Thanks again for the detailed breakdowns. (I'm more of a generalist who, while recognizing

the absolutely vital need for accurate details, prefers the 10,000-foot perspective.)

[VanGoghRocks]

26. That is simply masterful, no other word for it. My sincerest compliments and thanks!

[JustAnotherGen]

14. He needs to go find a bucket of water

He has flames shooting from his ass where his pants are.

[dembotoz]

15. by the end of the week the poor kid will be portrayed as a black panther with ties to osama

[conservaphobe]

18. Bullshit. nt

[jwirr]

20. So this so called officer though a few cigarettes was worth the life of a man? Same as the NYC cop

and his chokehold. Incompetent.

[Takket]

21. dumb question i am sure has been asked but....

don't police cars have dash cams, and as such shouldn't we know everything that was said during the encounter, including anything that may have been said about the cigars???

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. The very competent Ferguson PD received a federal grant for two dashcams this year

But they have "yet to be installed," according to the Chief.

[Takket]

35. ah... i thought they were standard features on all cruisers now. i guess not

[gollygee]

25. George W. Bush school of finding excuses

"We invaded Iraq because X"

After X is shown to not be true:

"We invaded Iraq because Y"

Rinse and repeat. Try to find something that sticks.

[louis-t]

27. I was waiting for that.......

[winter is coming]

28. *Might*? Hasn't anyone bothered to question Wilson about the shooting? n/t

[Generic Other]

30. Next they will find the cigars on his person

When cops go bad they look worse than the criminals. They certainly are proven to be no smarter if IQ is a measure.

[maced666]

34. Would not be a surprise...

Since he was caught on video stealing them.

[Generic Other]

39. So they say in their everchanging scenario...

"Later still, Jackson was quoted by the St Louis Post-Dispatch as saying that Wilson saw cigars in Brown’s hand and realised that he might be a suspect in the robbery..." So now we are to believe he put his hands in the air holding cigars like Freddie Krueger???

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/16/ferguson-protests-reignite-overnight-as-cops-again-fire-teargas-at-demonstrators/

[maced666]

31. Speculation.

Cops should not do that, especially when firing at an unarmed man.

[HooptieWagon]

32. Chief keeps changing his story.

I guess he hasn't found one that sounds good yet.

[Faux pas]

33. chief tom jackson

needs to go NOW. What a pile of hooey.

[AgingAmerican]

38. Does this guy

...choose his answers with a roulette wheel? Jaysus!

[riseabove]

41. Lol.... sounds like a Republican. I'd love to know how this clown voted over the past few years.

As his actions, is bumbling around, isn't already evident.

If they searched his house I bet they'd find a rob in the closet.

This guy won't have a job much longer. The feds will force him out somehow.. I hope.