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Antonio French @AntonioFrench · 53m
Our call for backup is being answered all over the globe. We all want #JusticeForMikeBrown and #PeaceInFerguson.
PzFeed Top News @PzFeed · 2h
These men have come to Ferguson, from India, where they live in exile, to bring a message of PEACE. V/ @AntonioFrench
Antonio French @AntonioFrench 2h
Tibetan monks from India to #Ferguson. https://vine.co/v/M3vuHbluuqD
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jillan
(39,451 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)calimary
(81,504 posts)AMAZING. A call for peace. A demonstrable, outward sign of a call for peace. Too bad there can't be crowds of these monks in Ferguson. We all need to hold that image in our minds.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)malaise
(269,182 posts)also rolled into Ferguson as well
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the protesters who refused to leave. I am assuming that there are more now. Very glad to see them.
glowing
(12,233 posts)"The whole world is watching!" ---- not just a slogan.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Not to disparage, but ISN'T TIBET its own country? How could they be from India if they are Tibetan?
Love the images by the way.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I am thrilled to see them there. The people of the U.S. have got to reign in the police in this country. Rich white folk aren't getting shot folks coming out of convenience stores. The Revolution starts right NOW!!
JI7
(89,274 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)JI7
(89,274 posts)india by choice. they would prefer to be in tibet but are not allowed back.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)there are no facts provided to prove otherwise.
JI7
(89,274 posts)the tweet from the guy who met them.
<PzFeed Top News @PzFeed · 2h
These men have come to Ferguson, from India, where they live in exile, to bring a message of PEACE. V/ @AntonioFrench >
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)I am sure he probably didn't ask them if they were in exile. He probably assumed incorrectly that they were Buddhist monks that come from India. The religion comes from India, but the Monks are Tibetan. They carried a sign that says FROM TIBET. That is a fact, if they were not from Tibet, they would have a sign saying they come from India. The guy who posted on twitter is obviously wrong.
JI7
(89,274 posts)not as someone representing india.
the reason it says Tibet is they still consider themselves as part of that country. in india they will say they are from tibet.
the sign is to connect their Tibetan background with the people in Ferguson .
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)There is no facts that say they are From India, only the word of a guy who posted this on Twitter.
JI7
(89,274 posts)monks who actually live in tibet who are as free to get around as those who are living elsewhere.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)JI7
(89,274 posts)even if she lives in the United States now .
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Huge leap, but you know what, believe what you want.
JI7
(89,274 posts)where are you getting this notion? Of course, that is where they are, and for a reason.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)Per a quick wikipedia look, it's been incorporated into the Chinese provinces of Sichuan and Qinghai.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)In the Himalayas. He discusses how people who were run out of Tibet still call themselves Tibetan but haven't lived there for a while. If I'm not mistaken some who have never set foot in Tibet still consider themselves Tibetan because of the traditions and teachings. They are tied to the culture and religion, but no longer have physical ties to the land.
That's not what the entire documentary is about but it is mentioned in several of the segments.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)These are monks from Namdroling.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Please provide a link.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I honestly don't see what your point is.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)or one of them?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The haircut and vestments make it hard to tell people apart.
If they aren't from India, where do you imagine they're from? (Hint: not Tibet.)
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Just like I am! I have met some Japanese Buddhist monks, as well as Shinto monks, very lovely people!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's like doubting that a Jewish person is from Brooklyn
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)She is Korean and Japanese mix. I have never been there, but have been to Manhattan many times. I know Tibetan monks probably come from all over Asia.. even Myanmar. My friend who is from Myanmar has told me about Buddhist monks in her community who speak Burmese. One can assume they come from other places too like Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, and many other Asian countries.
Demit
(11,238 posts)arrested earlier this week when he was sitting in his car near a protest. He is an elected official of the city of Ferguson.
thanks.
FSogol
(45,529 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Snarky? But its okay if others do it...
FSogol
(45,529 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)thanks.
FSogol
(45,529 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)totally okay. Okay.. I clearly understand.
FSogol
(45,529 posts)was making fun of people who are arguing with you in an increasing example of a thread turning into performance art.
Oh well, carry on
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)I am a bit tired of having people taking pleasure in whipping my ass.
FSogol
(45,529 posts)should have been the end of the argument. The replies to you became much more blockheaded after that.
Demit
(11,238 posts)And that was after at least 20 of your posts harping on some semantic point, & after your posting the same photo over & over again as if the photo proved it. Everybody else has shown remarkable restraint, I think. Nobody even knows what you're arguing about. I don't know if you're snarky, but you are clearly argumentative.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)must be my Japanese accent. (((kidding)))
Demit
(11,238 posts)Is that not true? Oh well, as you said, it is all speculation.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)My parents are Japanese born in Hawaii. They still have a pretty thick accent.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And they clearly didn't. You discounted the idea that Tibetans could be living in India and still think of themselves as Tibetans/be called Tibetans. So you made an error and then became the victim because other posters explained it.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)so whats my DU punishment? Am I scheduled for a Skittles Ass kicking?
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)These Tibetan monks traveled here from India, where they have been living since being exiled from Tibet. But they still consider themselves to be Tibetan monks.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)I understand it now.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Tibetans cannot freely study and practice their religion. Government restrictions on celebrating important Buddhist anniversaries and required denunciations of the Dalai Lama further demonstrate the exclusion of Tibetans from the decision making process that determines the practices of their daily lives.
Chinas Economic Policies in Tibet
Chinas economic policies in Tibet are based on a political agenda that fails to consider Tibetan needs, views, and livelihoods. Tibetan views of what development in Tibet should look like are not solicited, as the PRC pushes forward with its Western Development Strategy, integrating Tibetan areas into the larger Chinese market, regardless of Tibetan participation. This results in either Tibetans being resettled off their lands, separated from their traditional livelihoods or otherwise marginalized by Chinas economic policies.
- See more at: http://www.savetibet.org/resources/tibetan-refugees/#sthash.nvmeEIzF.dpuf
abakan
(1,819 posts)The Dali Lama and many of his followers fled to India and have remaind in exile. These could be Tibetan monks who live in the safety of India.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Thank you.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)they escaped with the Dalai Lama to India, where the Dalai Lama set up his government in exile. They have been in residence in India ever since, but they are still Tibetan Monks.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)"Theres no denying that whats been unfolding in the Missouri community of Ferguson has rattled people across the U.S. and the rest of the world. Which is why this clip shared by Antonio French, President of the North Campus organization, featuring Tibetan Monks from India standing in solidarity with Ferguson-area civilians at the protest the killing of Mike Brown, goes a long way towards demonstrating how the power of peaceful assembly can indeed be something that can heal a community otherwise being torn asunder by an out-of-control police force. "
http://theaerogram.com/tibetan-monks-india-stand-solidarity-protestors-ferguson/
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They came all the way from India to #Ferguson.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/17/1322422/-OMG-No-words-Just-joyful-tears-and-smiles
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)JI7
(89,274 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)That is a huge leap ...
JI7
(89,274 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)If a guy holds up a sign that says NEW YORK YANKEE FAN on it.. am I to assume he lives in New York? Its a good possibility, but he could be from Wisconsin and a life long Yankee fan.
JI7
(89,274 posts)who is just watching some people on tv.
and the entire event was a protest . they were not there for a ball game.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)And there are a lot of Tibetan monks living in exile in India. I don't know why you're having such a hard time grasping that fact.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)As for the sign, its telling people where they are from. If someone holds up a sign that says they are a New York Yankee fan, am I automatically going to assume they are from New York? For all I know they really could be a life long Yankee fan who lives in New Jersey or Wisconsin.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)People living in exile are still from their original country. They live in India, but they're Tibetan.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)thanks,
Paka
(2,760 posts)but Ilive in Thailand. Therefore, when I travel I say I am from Thailand. Is that difficult to understand?
JI7
(89,274 posts)who live in india would still hold up a protest sign saying from tibet.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)do you not understand?
The monks left behind in Tibet under Chinese rule would not be allowed to travel to Ferguson, MO or anyplace else.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)But you guys believe what you want..
JI7
(89,274 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Yes but there is no facts to say these monks are now in India. But I am done with this, you guys believe what you want. Its all speculation right now.. and that is all that it is.
JI7
(89,274 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Please stop making stuff up about what I just said.
JI7
(89,274 posts)up anything about their background.
and it's common that one of the first things people will mention to each other is where they have come from .
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)I am tired of arguing, have a nice day ..
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Again, monks living in Tibet would not be allowed to travel to MO or anywhere else. They are more likely to in prison than anywhere outside Tibet. There are fewer journalists allowed in Tibet than in N. Korea.
http://freetibet.org/about/religion
In Tibet, Buddhist nuns, monks and religious institutions are seen as a threat to the occupying Chinese state.
Monks and nuns have been beaten, jailed and tortured. Many have set themselves alight in protest against China's suppression of religious freedom and Tibetan culture, including 35-year-old Palden Choetso (below)....
Nunneries and monasteries are kept under the sort of tight surveillance normally reserved for terrorist groups. ...
Monks and nuns are regularly subjected to patriotic re-education programmes (PRE), for weeks at a time...
The penalties for refusing to participate or failing the programme include fines, beatings and expulsion from a nunnery.
...In 1990 a 13-year-old nun, Ngawang Sangdrol (pictured below), participated in a peaceful protest and was held for nine months.
She was interrogated, severely beaten with iron water pipes and tortured with electric cattle prods. She was arrested again in 1992 for "counter-revolutionary propaganda and incitement", and this time received a three-year sentence at Drapchi Prison Tibets largest and most-feared jail.
A year later Ngawang Sangdrol and 13 other nuns had their sentences extended by six years for singing Tibetan nationalist songs in prison. Copies of the songs were smuggled out and heard around the world..
...China uses its military might to suppress Tibet.
Why China fears phones
But one of the things it fears most is not Tibetan retaliation, but Tibetan communication.
These devices are used to document the brutal hostility of the Chinese state and broadcast it to the world.
....When the anniversary of the Tibetan Uprising coincided with the appointment of a new Chinese president in March 2013, the authorities increased checks on mobile phones and internet access was cut in particularly sensitive areas.
Special censor groups visited internet cafes and monasteries seeking evidence of communications with the wider world. Anyone with a record of overseas calls was arrested.
Three monks - Songrab Gyatso, Dragsang and Yeshi Sangpo were forcefully arrested in December 2012, accused of sharing information and photos about a student protest Serchen County.
Like diplomats and human rights observers, foreign journalists are rarely allowed entry into Tibet, and when they are, they are closely chaperoned by Chinese officials.
Reporters Without Borders ranked China 175 out of the 180 countries on its Press Freedom Index 2014.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Tibetan Monks are now living in India, and there Are absolutely no Monks in Tibet at all? And if there are.. why could it not be these guys? Its all speculation right now. The guy holds up a sign.
If a guy holds up a sign that says: New York Yankees ..am I to assume he is from New York? My answer is no..there are Yankee fans everywhere. He could be standing in Timbuktu.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)The Tibetan monks left behind in Tibet are severely oppressed and unable to leave.
The Tibetan monks that escaped when China took over set up their government in exile in India. They are still from Tibet. But they live elsewhere.
Needa Moment
(56 posts)He may just very well be an imposter from Timbuktu I Bet.
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NickB79
(19,273 posts)Watched by the Chinese government, their emails and phone calls tapped and recorded, their passports revoked, their travel restricted to where the Chinese government says they can go.
To think they'd actually be permitted to leave Tibet to fly to the US is laughable.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's part of India's very long tradition of taking in refugees. Jews also fled to India both after the Romans destroyed the temple in 70 AD and after Islamic countries kicked them out in 1948. There's a cool photo of the two communities meeting.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)But a guy holds up a sign that says TIBET. Why isn't he holding up a sign that says we come from India?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)They live in exile in India, but they come from Tibet. That is their homeland and their heritage. Because they are in exile does not mean they are now from India. It means they are from Tibet and living in exile in India.
They don't consider themselves Indians. They consider themselves (rightly) Tibetans.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's kind of what "exile" is about.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)well you can't say this hasn't been fun.. I stand corrected.. someone else sent me proof they were in India, exiled. That is all I wanted, proof.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm still not clear whether you were asking "are there Tibetan monks in India who claim to be Tibetan?" or "are these monks some of those who are in exile in India?"
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Buddhist Monks, like the dali Lama, wearing the same colors. I knew they were Tibetan Buddhists.
The whole concept seemed strange to me that they would be from two countries, when one person can only be from one country of origin. I myself am Buddhist, but from the Japaneses traditions.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)cvoogt
(949 posts)not necessarily
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)dual citizenship like Canada and the USA.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)They might have fled persecution.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04-30-172085298_x.htm
http://www.examiner.com/article/fear-of-persecution-rises-among-monks
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)"Six Tibetan monks are finishing up their three-year studies at Emory University. After the graduation ceremony, they will return to India."
http://www.ajc.com/photo/news/education/tibetan-monks-study-emory-university/prcW4/
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)ARE THOSE THE same monks in Ferguson? I am sure you grabbed that from some place, but it MAY NOT BE the same monks.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)we live in a Hellenized world so to speak.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)One of my friends just did a term teaching them basic physics.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)but there are no facts provided that they are. But its okay, I am not going to say any more about this.
JI7
(89,274 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)For all we know HE JUST ASSUMED THEY WERE from India. The guy holds up a sign that says Tibet. IF someone holds up a SIGN THAT SAYS: NEW YORK YANKEE FAN...do I just assume he is from New York? I don't.
JI7
(89,274 posts)i mean, why wouldn't they have a conversation about where they came from ? is it really that hard to believe he would find out how they came to be there ?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,657 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)And as you can see, I am of Japanese decent.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I do not think it is a fair comparison.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I wish I knew Japanese. Sounds like music.
All I can say in Japanese is Good Afternoon. Konichiwa!!
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)I be happy to help you with that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'd LOVE it!! I'm having issues with my articles and sentence structure.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)I understand. There is one simple thing to know about "Nihongo"..and that is the VERB is always at the end of the sentence. But I can get into this with you later, I do not want to take this discussion off track.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'll stop by the Asian group when I am ready to learn. That will be fun.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)*you're welcome!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I just repeated to my husband. He likes it too.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and that the Tibetan monks that self-immolate do so for the joy of it, rather than as a desperate plea for help.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)Self Immolate for the joy of it? WHEN did i say this? Please quote me on that... I would like to see this..because you are MAKING CRAP up..about me, and you don't even know who I am or anything about me, but you go ahead and assign this crap to me??
Wow.. you are a lovely person.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and that they can only have traveled from Tibet, where they are totally under the control of China, imprisoned, tortured, beaten.
They self-immolate in protest, and you seem to think they are free to travel to the US.
And yet the exact same information is posted in another thread and suddenly you immediately admit your mistake.
You could have admitted your mistake many, many posts ago in this thread, but instead chose to double-down and dig yourself in deeper.
You are NOT a lovely person. I've seen you pull this before -- first you enter a snarky post or two, then you refuse to admit a mistake and double-down. I think I'm done with you. Off to ignore you go.
yuiyoshida
(41,862 posts)everyone else, you are clearly wrong about me, and pulled stuff out of your hat for what ever reason to smear my reputation. Stuff you know its not true, but will post anyway. I am glad I am on your ignore.. I don't have to hear the things you spout about me that are clearly made up from your own imagination.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)eShirl
(18,504 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)A friend of mine taught science there. It's pretty cool.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Within the People's Republic of China, Tibet is identified with the Autonomous Region. The current borders of Tibet were generally established in the 18th century[4] and include about half of ethno-cultural Tibet. The Tibet Autonomous Region is the second-largest province-level division of China by area, spanning over 1,200,000 square kilometres (460,000 sq mi), after Xinjiang, and mostly due to its harsh and rugged terrain, is the least densely populated provincial-level division of the PRC.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I am sure if Tibet were free from communist China, the monks would return.
Maraya1969
(22,501 posts)But I think that Tibetans that have been exiled still call themselves Tibetans and maybe they say they are from Tibet because it really is their homeland in their hearts.
Also Tibet has a certain kind of Buddhism that comes from that area so maybe that is why they call themselves Tibetans. The Buddhist sect is called Tibetan Buddhism.
Leith
(7,813 posts)I once knew a Buddhist monk (from Sri Lanka). He was the kindest and gentlest person I ever knew.
As I've posted elsewhere, reichwingers like to claim that Obama has brought down world opinion on the US, but it is their actions that draw rebuke.
Edited to add: I clicked on the link and there's a gif of monks being shown how to raise their hands in a "don't shoot" way. Priceless!!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thanks, bigtree. I appreciate your efforts on this issue.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)from India for caring about justice.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)This is not going to go well for The Authorities.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)I'm impressed!
nenagh
(1,925 posts)it really is magical to see Tibetan monks from India in Ferguson, USA!
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Relate and empathize
Help if you can save Tibet although we need peace here too withour own bullies like Mo police force
http://www.savetibet.org/resources/tibetan-refugees/
Nangpa Pass Shooting Incident, September 2006
In September 2006, a 17-year old Tibetan nun, Kelsang Namtso, was shot dead by Chinese police while she was crossing the Nangpa Pass with a group of other Tibetan nuns, monks, children and others into exile. She was just 20 minutes walk away from the Nepal border when she died in the snow on the pass. Footage of the incident taken by a Romanian cameraman broadcast news of her death to the world, and refuted Chinas claim that their border troops had fired in self-defense. Read more »
- See more at: http://www.savetibet.org/resources/tibetan-refugees/#sthash.nvmeEIzF.dpuf
Sound familiar??
JEB
(4,748 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Peace everywhere
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...stretching her teensy legs is the cutest thing ever!
TYY
calimary
(81,504 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)CRH
(1,553 posts)I will sacrifice myself, by his side, in a gesture of solidarity and peace for humanity. In the mean time, I'll trade one of the monks my citizenship for their return ticket. The repression in Tibet from where they are exiled, is more straight forward and honest than the farce that is American socio/economic casting and freedumb.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)This brought wet eyes. How wonderful. Thank you for the post bigtree.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)I'm just thrilled to see them. Bless their souls.
calimary
(81,504 posts)Sounds like looking a gift horse in the mouth.
Mr. Rogers once said - "look for the helpers." Helpers don't always dress in conventional uniforms.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)That's what I like to see.
This kills my cynicism about the whole thing.
Powerful.
John Lucas
littlemissmartypants
(22,819 posts)And they know that they may be sent back to South America don't they?
J/K
Namaste.
~ Lmsp
Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)Glad to see these guys there though.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Seriously, this situation is horribly upsetting. I'm glad reinforcements have shown up.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)terdheadur
(32 posts)Where in the hell is Pelosi, The clintons, Obama? They should be in Ferguson or at least speaking up Wtf? Disappointed.