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(86,005 posts)
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:39 PM Aug 2014

Beautiful! Backup Arrives in Ferguson . . . From India!



Antonio French @AntonioFrench · 53m
Our call for backup is being answered all over the globe. We all want #JusticeForMikeBrown and #PeaceInFerguson.




PzFeed Top News @PzFeed · 2h
These men have come to Ferguson, from India, where they live in exile, to bring a message of PEACE. V/ @AntonioFrench




Antonio French ‏@AntonioFrench 2h
Tibetan monks from India to #Ferguson. https://vine.co/v/M3vuHbluuqD



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Beautiful! Backup Arrives in Ferguson . . . From India! (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2014 OP
I have something in my eye. jillan Aug 2014 #1
seeing monks always makes me feel better roguevalley Aug 2014 #18
seeing monks always makes me feel better AlbertCat Aug 2014 #123
Here, take my hanky. 47of74 Aug 2014 #146
This is really WONDERFUL! calimary Aug 2014 #147
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #2
Amnesty International malaise Aug 2014 #3
A small group of them were there last night walking past the live feed on their way to try to talk jwirr Aug 2014 #26
Could I have some hope that the tide is turning? glowing Aug 2014 #4
K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #5
"Tibetan monks from India" yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #6
LOL that's hilarious. I bet most just read that and went right on reading without a pause. YOHABLO Aug 2014 #7
they live in India because they most likely have been exiled from Tibet by China JI7 Aug 2014 #8
Sign says they ARE FROM Tibet yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #11
people in exile still consider themselves from the country they can't go back to , they aren't in JI7 Aug 2014 #15
You are assuming they are in exile.. yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #16
that's what it said in the op JI7 Aug 2014 #17
Yes the guy who did it was from Twitter... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #19
you know the Dalai Lama lives in India, yet anywhere he goes he is seen as representative of Tibet JI7 Aug 2014 #22
That may be but again this is all speculation yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #25
the guy actually met with them and india has a community of tibetan exiles , i doubt there are many JI7 Aug 2014 #27
and yet there is this ... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #34
as i said , Protest signs are not official travel documents, my cousin says she is from Britain JI7 Aug 2014 #39
Now you leap to it being a protest sign yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #42
so now you don't even believe they are at a protest in ferguson ? JI7 Aug 2014 #47
wow... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #97
What are you trying to say? That Tibet is a sovereign country? It's not. China runs it. ancianita Aug 2014 #124
There's an interesting BBC documentary with Michael Palin... Blanks Aug 2014 #153
No, it's not. There are Tibetan monasteries all over India Recursion Aug 2014 #58
Do you have proof of that? yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #74
Other than having met the older one in India? Recursion Aug 2014 #83
You met these monks? yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #86
That or a close relative. Recursion Aug 2014 #105
They are Asian obviously yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #106
Right, but the largest Tibetan exile community is in India Recursion Aug 2014 #107
My mother is from Brooklyn.. yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #108
The 'guy who posted this on twitter' is Antonio French, the city alderman who was Demit Aug 2014 #111
OKAY yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #113
But he once flew to Atlanta and had a stop over in Pittsburgh, so he's not from Tibet. FSogol Aug 2014 #121
and someone called my posting yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #125
Keep up the snark! FSogol Aug 2014 #126
Oh but its okay you can do it... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #127
Everybody can do it! FSogol Aug 2014 #128
And piling on is yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #129
Now I am scratching my head. My snarking post FSogol Aug 2014 #130
I am sorry... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #131
No problem. For they record, your post FSogol Aug 2014 #132
One person called one of your posts snarky. Demit Aug 2014 #133
"Nobody even knows what you're arguing about." yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #134
But your profile says your Home Country is USA. Demit Aug 2014 #140
Yes ..I live in the USA yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #156
No you thought you'd caught the tweeter saying something stupid treestar Aug 2014 #154
Guilty as charged... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #157
PROVE IT!!1! Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #141
"Tibetan monks from India to #Ferguson." The tweet isn't wrong. pnwmom Aug 2014 #96
Thank you... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #98
And the Chinese would let monks come from Tibet here why?? lunasun Aug 2014 #55
When the Chinese invaded Tibet abakan Aug 2014 #135
Yes... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #137
presumably because they escaped Tibet when China took over magical thyme Aug 2014 #9
again.. yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #12
Tibetan Monks from India Stand In Solidarity with Protestors in Ferguson magical thyme Aug 2014 #28
How CLEAR is this SIGN? yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #31
protest signs are not official government travel documents JI7 Aug 2014 #35
wow so now thats a protest sign? yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #37
yes, what do you think it is, a birthday card ? JI7 Aug 2014 #48
A protest sign has a protest on it.. yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #71
the guy who says they are from tibet living in exile in india MET with them, he isn't someone JI7 Aug 2014 #78
They're at the protest, so yes protest sign. tammywammy Aug 2014 #49
Yes there are ... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #72
Your analogy doesn't hold tammywammy Aug 2014 #73
okay fine.. yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #80
I am American born, Paka Aug 2014 #152
not difficult to understand, just as it's not difficult to understand why Tibetan Monks JI7 Aug 2014 #155
What part of "they are FROM Tibet, but they live in exile in India" magical thyme Aug 2014 #36
I think the information may be wrong yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #40
you do know there are large number of Tibetans who live in India ? and not necessarily by choice JI7 Aug 2014 #44
I do know that... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #50
why would someone lie about something like this ? why do you find it suspicious in the first place ? JI7 Aug 2014 #53
wow...now i am suspicious yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #65
that's how it's coming off as , i mean the man actually MET these guys , why would he need to make JI7 Aug 2014 #67
fine okay ... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #68
Again, Tibetan monks living in Tibet would not be allowed to travel. magical thyme Aug 2014 #57
So are you saying ALL yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #62
that's not what I wrote at all. magical thyme Aug 2014 #66
Then again Needa Moment Aug 2014 #110
There are monks left in Tibet. They live as virtual prisoners NickB79 Aug 2014 #150
What a weird thing to think. India has thousands of exiled Tibetan Buddhist monks Recursion Aug 2014 #61
Yes, I know about that... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #63
because they come from Tibet magical thyme Aug 2014 #69
Why did the Irish talk about Ireland? Why do the Palestinians talk about Palestine? Recursion Aug 2014 #79
okay, thank you .. yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #82
"Proof" of an easily googlable, widely known fact? Recursion Aug 2014 #84
To me they are clearly yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #88
The Dalali Lama lives in exile in India. n/t tammywammy Aug 2014 #93
PROVE IT!!1! Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #142
"one person can only be from one country of origin" cvoogt Aug 2014 #114
Yes .. a person could have yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #118
....... madfloridian Aug 2014 #10
again yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #14
Tibetan monks study at Emory University magical thyme Aug 2014 #30
Thats a lovely article but yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #33
That "someplace" it was "grabbed" from was the Atlanta Journal Constitution. madfloridian Aug 2014 #46
That woman is wearing Indian garb Generic Other Aug 2014 #139
And Emory sends professors to lecture there in India Recursion Aug 2014 #54
They are still Tibetan, but live in India. madfloridian Aug 2014 #43
You are assuming they are in exile... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #45
why would someone lie about something like this ? JI7 Aug 2014 #52
I don't think its an intentional lie... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #56
but he described them as living in exile , you are assuming he is assuming htings JI7 Aug 2014 #59
Amelia Bedelia, is that you? Fiendish Thingy Aug 2014 #75
I don't know who that is, sorry... yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #77
Children's book character. bravenak Aug 2014 #81
wow, thanks yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #85
You're welcome. bravenak Aug 2014 #89
If you like I can teach you some Japanese yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #91
As soon as I finish my German Tree on Duolingo..... bravenak Aug 2014 #92
you mean particles yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #95
Yes, thank you. bravenak Aug 2014 #99
dou itashimaste! yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #100
I like it!! bravenak Aug 2014 #103
You are assuming that the Tibetans are free to travel, and not oppressed by China magical thyme Aug 2014 #60
So I assume that the Tibetan Monks yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #94
you have insisted over and over that the Tibetan monks could not possibly have traveled from India magical thyme Aug 2014 #101
So while I know you can't read this, I will simply say for yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #104
This seems to be making a very big deal about not a whole lot BainsBane Aug 2014 #116
they are in exile roguevalley Aug 2014 #20
Tibetan Buddhism is a type of Buddhism practiced in many countries. eShirl Aug 2014 #38
They have a monastery in exile near Bangalore. I've been there Recursion Aug 2014 #51
Tibet is under PRC rule lunasun Aug 2014 #64
I think it said they were exiled in India? mackerel Aug 2014 #115
Uh, Obviously they escaped Tibet to India PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #122
I thought Tibet was part of the people's republic of China. Maraya1969 Aug 2014 #138
This Is Wonderful Leith Aug 2014 #13
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #21
What a beautiful gesture. This time the whole world is indeed watching. Thank you Tibetan Monks jwirr Aug 2014 #23
Oh, f*ck. Now you've gone and pissed off the Tibetan monks. DirkGently Aug 2014 #24
Whoa! Stellar Aug 2014 #29
I just cannot believe it... nenagh Aug 2014 #32
They have faced their own being shot and freedom loss from bully Chins . Bet they can lunasun Aug 2014 #41
Those guys know oppression when they see it. JEB Aug 2014 #70
Recommended! MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #76
That baby kitteh... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #143
No kidding! WANT! calimary Aug 2014 #145
I've kept that gif for that reason! MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #158
If the Dalai Lama shows up, ... CRH Aug 2014 #87
I'm speechless. This is pure magic! nt GliderGuider Aug 2014 #90
Beautiful! Duval Aug 2014 #102
I don't care they are (not) from. Ilsa Aug 2014 #109
Truly. Does it matter where they're from? calimary Aug 2014 #149
Wow. Powerful. johnlucas Aug 2014 #112
How were they able to sneak across the border in those bright outfits?? littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #117
Very cool! Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #119
How about some Shaolin Monks to give the good people of Ferguson some back up? GOLGO 13 Aug 2014 #120
Where is Kwai Chang Caine when you need him? Blue_In_AK Aug 2014 #148
Were they in the streets during last nights display of violence in the USA? jwirr Aug 2014 #136
k&r avaistheone1 Aug 2014 #144
this is awesome BUT terdheadur Aug 2014 #151

calimary

(81,504 posts)
147. This is really WONDERFUL!
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:00 PM
Aug 2014

AMAZING. A call for peace. A demonstrable, outward sign of a call for peace. Too bad there can't be crowds of these monks in Ferguson. We all need to hold that image in our minds.

Blessed are the peacemakers.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
26. A small group of them were there last night walking past the live feed on their way to try to talk
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:09 PM
Aug 2014

the protesters who refused to leave. I am assuming that there are more now. Very glad to see them.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
6. "Tibetan monks from India"
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:37 PM
Aug 2014

Not to disparage, but ISN'T TIBET its own country? How could they be from India if they are Tibetan?


Love the images by the way.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
7. LOL that's hilarious. I bet most just read that and went right on reading without a pause.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:48 PM
Aug 2014

I am thrilled to see them there. The people of the U.S. have got to reign in the police in this country. Rich white folk aren't getting shot folks coming out of convenience stores. The Revolution starts right NOW!!

JI7

(89,274 posts)
15. people in exile still consider themselves from the country they can't go back to , they aren't in
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:57 PM
Aug 2014

india by choice. they would prefer to be in tibet but are not allowed back.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
17. that's what it said in the op
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:01 PM
Aug 2014

the tweet from the guy who met them.

<PzFeed Top News @PzFeed · 2h
These men have come to Ferguson, from India, where they live in exile, to bring a message of PEACE. V/ @AntonioFrench >

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
19. Yes the guy who did it was from Twitter...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:04 PM
Aug 2014

I am sure he probably didn't ask them if they were in exile. He probably assumed incorrectly that they were Buddhist monks that come from India. The religion comes from India, but the Monks are Tibetan. They carried a sign that says FROM TIBET. That is a fact, if they were not from Tibet, they would have a sign saying they come from India. The guy who posted on twitter is obviously wrong.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
22. you know the Dalai Lama lives in India, yet anywhere he goes he is seen as representative of Tibet
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:06 PM
Aug 2014

not as someone representing india.

the reason it says Tibet is they still consider themselves as part of that country. in india they will say they are from tibet.

the sign is to connect their Tibetan background with the people in Ferguson .

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
25. That may be but again this is all speculation
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:08 PM
Aug 2014

There is no facts that say they are From India, only the word of a guy who posted this on Twitter.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
27. the guy actually met with them and india has a community of tibetan exiles , i doubt there are many
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:10 PM
Aug 2014

monks who actually live in tibet who are as free to get around as those who are living elsewhere.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
39. as i said , Protest signs are not official travel documents, my cousin says she is from Britain
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:21 PM
Aug 2014

even if she lives in the United States now .

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
124. What are you trying to say? That Tibet is a sovereign country? It's not. China runs it.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:15 AM
Aug 2014

Per a quick wikipedia look, it's been incorporated into the Chinese provinces of Sichuan and Qinghai.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
153. There's an interesting BBC documentary with Michael Palin...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 05:49 PM
Aug 2014

In the Himalayas. He discusses how people who were run out of Tibet still call themselves Tibetan but haven't lived there for a while. If I'm not mistaken some who have never set foot in Tibet still consider themselves Tibetan because of the traditions and teachings. They are tied to the culture and religion, but no longer have physical ties to the land.

That's not what the entire documentary is about but it is mentioned in several of the segments.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
105. That or a close relative.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:32 PM
Aug 2014

The haircut and vestments make it hard to tell people apart.

If they aren't from India, where do you imagine they're from? (Hint: not Tibet.)

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
106. They are Asian obviously
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:36 PM
Aug 2014

Just like I am! I have met some Japanese Buddhist monks, as well as Shinto monks, very lovely people!

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
107. Right, but the largest Tibetan exile community is in India
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:39 PM
Aug 2014

It's like doubting that a Jewish person is from Brooklyn

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
108. My mother is from Brooklyn..
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:44 PM
Aug 2014

She is Korean and Japanese mix. I have never been there, but have been to Manhattan many times. I know Tibetan monks probably come from all over Asia.. even Myanmar. My friend who is from Myanmar has told me about Buddhist monks in her community who speak Burmese. One can assume they come from other places too like Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, and many other Asian countries.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
111. The 'guy who posted this on twitter' is Antonio French, the city alderman who was
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:05 PM
Aug 2014

arrested earlier this week when he was sitting in his car near a protest. He is an elected official of the city of Ferguson.

FSogol

(45,529 posts)
130. Now I am scratching my head. My snarking post
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:57 AM
Aug 2014

was making fun of people who are arguing with you in an increasing example of a thread turning into performance art.

Oh well, carry on

FSogol

(45,529 posts)
132. No problem. For they record, your post
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:12 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025401960#post11

should have been the end of the argument. The replies to you became much more blockheaded after that.
 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
133. One person called one of your posts snarky.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:13 PM
Aug 2014

And that was after at least 20 of your posts harping on some semantic point, & after your posting the same photo over & over again as if the photo proved it. Everybody else has shown remarkable restraint, I think. Nobody even knows what you're arguing about. I don't know if you're snarky, but you are clearly argumentative.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
140. But your profile says your Home Country is USA.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:40 PM
Aug 2014

Is that not true? Oh well, as you said, it is all speculation.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
156. Yes ..I live in the USA
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 12:04 AM
Aug 2014

My parents are Japanese born in Hawaii. They still have a pretty thick accent.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
154. No you thought you'd caught the tweeter saying something stupid
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:12 PM
Aug 2014

And they clearly didn't. You discounted the idea that Tibetans could be living in India and still think of themselves as Tibetans/be called Tibetans. So you made an error and then became the victim because other posters explained it.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
96. "Tibetan monks from India to #Ferguson." The tweet isn't wrong.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:10 PM
Aug 2014

These Tibetan monks traveled here from India, where they have been living since being exiled from Tibet. But they still consider themselves to be Tibetan monks.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
55. And the Chinese would let monks come from Tibet here why??
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:29 PM
Aug 2014

Tibetans cannot freely study and practice their religion. Government restrictions on celebrating important Buddhist anniversaries and required denunciations of the Dalai Lama further demonstrate the exclusion of Tibetans from the decision making process that determines the practices of their daily lives.
China’s Economic Policies in Tibet
China’s economic policies in Tibet are based on a political agenda that fails to consider Tibetan needs, views, and livelihoods. Tibetan views of what development in Tibet should look like are not solicited, as the PRC pushes forward with its ‘Western Development Strategy’, integrating Tibetan areas into the larger Chinese market, regardless of Tibetan participation. This results in either Tibetans being resettled off their lands, separated from their traditional livelihoods or otherwise marginalized by China’s economic policies.
- See more at: http://www.savetibet.org/resources/tibetan-refugees/#sthash.nvmeEIzF.dpuf

abakan

(1,819 posts)
135. When the Chinese invaded Tibet
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:20 PM
Aug 2014

The Dali Lama and many of his followers fled to India and have remaind in exile. These could be Tibetan monks who live in the safety of India.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. presumably because they escaped Tibet when China took over
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:51 PM
Aug 2014

they escaped with the Dalai Lama to India, where the Dalai Lama set up his government in exile. They have been in residence in India ever since, but they are still Tibetan Monks.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
28. Tibetan Monks from India Stand In Solidarity with Protestors in Ferguson
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:10 PM
Aug 2014

"There’s no denying that what’s been unfolding in the Missouri community of Ferguson has rattled people across the U.S. and the rest of the world. Which is why this clip shared by Antonio French, President of the North Campus organization, featuring Tibetan Monks from India standing in solidarity with Ferguson-area civilians at the protest the killing of Mike Brown, goes a long way towards demonstrating how the power of peaceful assembly can indeed be something that can heal a community otherwise being torn asunder by an out-of-control police force. "

http://theaerogram.com/tibetan-monks-india-stand-solidarity-protestors-ferguson/



Antonio French ✔ @AntonioFrench
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They came all the way from India to #Ferguson.
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yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
71. A protest sign has a protest on it..
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:45 PM
Aug 2014

If a guy holds up a sign that says NEW YORK YANKEE FAN on it.. am I to assume he lives in New York? Its a good possibility, but he could be from Wisconsin and a life long Yankee fan.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
78. the guy who says they are from tibet living in exile in india MET with them, he isn't someone
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:52 PM
Aug 2014

who is just watching some people on tv.

and the entire event was a protest . they were not there for a ball game.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
49. They're at the protest, so yes protest sign.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:26 PM
Aug 2014

And there are a lot of Tibetan monks living in exile in India. I don't know why you're having such a hard time grasping that fact.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
72. Yes there are ...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:47 PM
Aug 2014

As for the sign, its telling people where they are from. If someone holds up a sign that says they are a New York Yankee fan, am I automatically going to assume they are from New York? For all I know they really could be a life long Yankee fan who lives in New Jersey or Wisconsin.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
73. Your analogy doesn't hold
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:50 PM
Aug 2014

People living in exile are still from their original country. They live in India, but they're Tibetan.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
152. I am American born,
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:45 PM
Aug 2014

but Ilive in Thailand. Therefore, when I travel I say I am from Thailand. Is that difficult to understand?

JI7

(89,274 posts)
155. not difficult to understand, just as it's not difficult to understand why Tibetan Monks
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:23 PM
Aug 2014

who live in india would still hold up a protest sign saying from tibet.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
36. What part of "they are FROM Tibet, but they live in exile in India"
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:18 PM
Aug 2014

do you not understand?

The monks left behind in Tibet under Chinese rule would not be allowed to travel to Ferguson, MO or anyplace else.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
44. you do know there are large number of Tibetans who live in India ? and not necessarily by choice
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:24 PM
Aug 2014

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
50. I do know that...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:27 PM
Aug 2014

Yes but there is no facts to say these monks are now in India. But I am done with this, you guys believe what you want. Its all speculation right now.. and that is all that it is.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
53. why would someone lie about something like this ? why do you find it suspicious in the first place ?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:28 PM
Aug 2014

JI7

(89,274 posts)
67. that's how it's coming off as , i mean the man actually MET these guys , why would he need to make
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:37 PM
Aug 2014

up anything about their background.

and it's common that one of the first things people will mention to each other is where they have come from .

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
57. Again, Tibetan monks living in Tibet would not be allowed to travel.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:30 PM
Aug 2014

Again, monks living in Tibet would not be allowed to travel to MO or anywhere else. They are more likely to in prison than anywhere outside Tibet. There are fewer journalists allowed in Tibet than in N. Korea.

http://freetibet.org/about/religion
In Tibet, Buddhist nuns, monks and religious institutions are seen as a threat to the occupying Chinese state.

Monks and nuns have been beaten, jailed and tortured. Many have set themselves alight in protest against China's suppression of religious freedom and Tibetan culture, including 35-year-old Palden Choetso (below)....

Nunneries and monasteries are kept under the sort of tight surveillance normally reserved for terrorist groups. ...

Monks and nuns are regularly subjected to ‘patriotic re-education programmes’ (PRE), for weeks at a time...

The penalties for refusing to participate or failing the programme include fines, beatings and expulsion from a nunnery.

...In 1990 a 13-year-old nun, Ngawang Sangdrol (pictured below), participated in a peaceful protest and was held for nine months.

She was interrogated, severely beaten with iron water pipes and tortured with electric cattle prods. She was arrested again in 1992 for "counter-revolutionary propaganda and incitement", and this time received a three-year sentence at Drapchi Prison – Tibet’s largest and most-feared jail.

A year later Ngawang Sangdrol and 13 other nuns had their sentences extended by six years for singing Tibetan nationalist songs in prison. Copies of the songs were smuggled out and heard around the world..

...China uses its military might to suppress Tibet.

Why China fears phones

But one of the things it fears most is not Tibetan retaliation, but Tibetan communication.

These devices are used to document the brutal hostility of the Chinese state and broadcast it to the world.

....When the anniversary of the Tibetan Uprising coincided with the appointment of a new Chinese president in March 2013, the authorities increased checks on mobile phones and internet access was cut in particularly sensitive areas.

Special censor groups visited internet cafes and monasteries seeking evidence of communications with the wider world. Anyone with a record of overseas calls was arrested.

Three monks - Songrab Gyatso, Dragsang and Yeshi Sangpo – were forcefully arrested in December 2012, accused of sharing information and photos about a student protest Serchen County.

Like diplomats and human rights observers, foreign journalists are rarely allowed entry into Tibet, and when they are, they are closely chaperoned by Chinese officials.

Reporters Without Borders ranked China 175 out of the 180 countries on its Press Freedom Index 2014.




yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
62. So are you saying ALL
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:33 PM
Aug 2014

Tibetan Monks are now living in India, and there Are absolutely no Monks in Tibet at all? And if there are.. why could it not be these guys? Its all speculation right now. The guy holds up a sign.

If a guy holds up a sign that says: New York Yankees ..am I to assume he is from New York? My answer is no..there are Yankee fans everywhere. He could be standing in Timbuktu.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
66. that's not what I wrote at all.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:36 PM
Aug 2014

The Tibetan monks left behind in Tibet are severely oppressed and unable to leave.

The Tibetan monks that escaped when China took over set up their government in exile in India. They are still from Tibet. But they live elsewhere.

NickB79

(19,273 posts)
150. There are monks left in Tibet. They live as virtual prisoners
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:07 PM
Aug 2014

Watched by the Chinese government, their emails and phone calls tapped and recorded, their passports revoked, their travel restricted to where the Chinese government says they can go.

To think they'd actually be permitted to leave Tibet to fly to the US is laughable.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
61. What a weird thing to think. India has thousands of exiled Tibetan Buddhist monks
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:33 PM
Aug 2014

It's part of India's very long tradition of taking in refugees. Jews also fled to India both after the Romans destroyed the temple in 70 AD and after Islamic countries kicked them out in 1948. There's a cool photo of the two communities meeting.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
63. Yes, I know about that...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:35 PM
Aug 2014

But a guy holds up a sign that says TIBET. Why isn't he holding up a sign that says we come from India?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
69. because they come from Tibet
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:41 PM
Aug 2014

They live in exile in India, but they come from Tibet. That is their homeland and their heritage. Because they are in exile does not mean they are now from India. It means they are from Tibet and living in exile in India.

They don't consider themselves Indians. They consider themselves (rightly) Tibetans.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
79. Why did the Irish talk about Ireland? Why do the Palestinians talk about Palestine?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:53 PM
Aug 2014

That's kind of what "exile" is about.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
82. okay, thank you ..
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:55 PM
Aug 2014

well you can't say this hasn't been fun.. I stand corrected.. someone else sent me proof they were in India, exiled. That is all I wanted, proof.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
84. "Proof" of an easily googlable, widely known fact?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:56 PM
Aug 2014

I'm still not clear whether you were asking "are there Tibetan monks in India who claim to be Tibetan?" or "are these monks some of those who are in exile in India?"

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
88. To me they are clearly
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:01 PM
Aug 2014

Buddhist Monks, like the dali Lama, wearing the same colors. I knew they were Tibetan Buddhists.
The whole concept seemed strange to me that they would be from two countries, when one person can only be from one country of origin. I myself am Buddhist, but from the Japaneses traditions.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
30. Tibetan monks study at Emory University
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:12 PM
Aug 2014

"Six Tibetan monks are finishing up their three-year studies at Emory University. After the graduation ceremony, they will return to India."
http://www.ajc.com/photo/news/education/tibetan-monks-study-emory-university/prcW4/

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
33. Thats a lovely article but
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:14 PM
Aug 2014

ARE THOSE THE same monks in Ferguson? I am sure you grabbed that from some place, but it MAY NOT BE the same monks.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
54. And Emory sends professors to lecture there in India
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:28 PM
Aug 2014

One of my friends just did a term teaching them basic physics.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
45. You are assuming they are in exile...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:25 PM
Aug 2014

but there are no facts provided that they are. But its okay, I am not going to say any more about this.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
56. I don't think its an intentional lie...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:29 PM
Aug 2014

For all we know HE JUST ASSUMED THEY WERE from India. The guy holds up a sign that says Tibet. IF someone holds up a SIGN THAT SAYS: NEW YORK YANKEE FAN...do I just assume he is from New York? I don't.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
59. but he described them as living in exile , you are assuming he is assuming htings
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:32 PM
Aug 2014

i mean, why wouldn't they have a conversation about where they came from ? is it really that hard to believe he would find out how they came to be there ?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
89. You're welcome.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:03 PM
Aug 2014

I wish I knew Japanese. Sounds like music.
All I can say in Japanese is Good Afternoon. Konichiwa!!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
92. As soon as I finish my German Tree on Duolingo.....
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:06 PM
Aug 2014

I'd LOVE it!! I'm having issues with my articles and sentence structure.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
95. you mean particles
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:10 PM
Aug 2014

I understand. There is one simple thing to know about "Nihongo"..and that is the VERB is always at the end of the sentence. But I can get into this with you later, I do not want to take this discussion off track.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
60. You are assuming that the Tibetans are free to travel, and not oppressed by China
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:32 PM
Aug 2014

and that the Tibetan monks that self-immolate do so for the joy of it, rather than as a desperate plea for help.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
94. So I assume that the Tibetan Monks
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:07 PM
Aug 2014

Self Immolate for the joy of it? WHEN did i say this? Please quote me on that... I would like to see this..because you are MAKING CRAP up..about me, and you don't even know who I am or anything about me, but you go ahead and assign this crap to me??

Wow.. you are a lovely person.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
101. you have insisted over and over that the Tibetan monks could not possibly have traveled from India
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:21 PM
Aug 2014

and that they can only have traveled from Tibet, where they are totally under the control of China, imprisoned, tortured, beaten.

They self-immolate in protest, and you seem to think they are free to travel to the US.

And yet the exact same information is posted in another thread and suddenly you immediately admit your mistake.

You could have admitted your mistake many, many posts ago in this thread, but instead chose to double-down and dig yourself in deeper.

You are NOT a lovely person. I've seen you pull this before -- first you enter a snarky post or two, then you refuse to admit a mistake and double-down. I think I'm done with you. Off to ignore you go.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
104. So while I know you can't read this, I will simply say for
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:27 PM
Aug 2014

everyone else, you are clearly wrong about me, and pulled stuff out of your hat for what ever reason to smear my reputation. Stuff you know its not true, but will post anyway. I am glad I am on your ignore.. I don't have to hear the things you spout about me that are clearly made up from your own imagination.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
51. They have a monastery in exile near Bangalore. I've been there
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:27 PM
Aug 2014

A friend of mine taught science there. It's pretty cool.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
64. Tibet is under PRC rule
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:35 PM
Aug 2014

Within the People's Republic of China, Tibet is identified with the Autonomous Region. The current borders of Tibet were generally established in the 18th century[4] and include about half of ethno-cultural Tibet. The Tibet Autonomous Region is the second-largest province-level division of China by area, spanning over 1,200,000 square kilometres (460,000 sq mi), after Xinjiang, and mostly due to its harsh and rugged terrain, is the least densely populated provincial-level division of the PRC.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
122. Uh, Obviously they escaped Tibet to India
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:47 AM
Aug 2014

I am sure if Tibet were free from communist China, the monks would return.

Maraya1969

(22,501 posts)
138. I thought Tibet was part of the people's republic of China.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:33 PM
Aug 2014

But I think that Tibetans that have been exiled still call themselves Tibetans and maybe they say they are from Tibet because it really is their homeland in their hearts.

Also Tibet has a certain kind of Buddhism that comes from that area so maybe that is why they call themselves Tibetans. The Buddhist sect is called Tibetan Buddhism.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
13. This Is Wonderful
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:56 PM
Aug 2014

I once knew a Buddhist monk (from Sri Lanka). He was the kindest and gentlest person I ever knew.

As I've posted elsewhere, reichwingers like to claim that Obama has brought down world opinion on the US, but it is their actions that draw rebuke.

Edited to add: I clicked on the link and there's a gif of monks being shown how to raise their hands in a "don't shoot" way. Priceless!!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. What a beautiful gesture. This time the whole world is indeed watching. Thank you Tibetan Monks
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:06 PM
Aug 2014

from India for caring about justice.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
24. Oh, f*ck. Now you've gone and pissed off the Tibetan monks.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:07 PM
Aug 2014

This is not going to go well for The Authorities.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
41. They have faced their own being shot and freedom loss from bully Chins . Bet they can
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:22 PM
Aug 2014

Relate and empathize
Help if you can save Tibet although we need peace here too withour own bullies like Mo police force
http://www.savetibet.org/resources/tibetan-refugees/

Nangpa Pass Shooting Incident, September 2006
In September 2006, a 17-year old Tibetan nun, Kelsang Namtso, was shot dead by Chinese police while she was crossing the Nangpa Pass with a group of other Tibetan nuns, monks, children and others into exile. She was just 20 minutes walk away from the Nepal border when she died in the snow on the pass. Footage of the incident taken by a Romanian cameraman broadcast news of her death to the world, and refuted China’s claim that their border troops had fired ‘in self-defense.’ Read more »
- See more at: http://www.savetibet.org/resources/tibetan-refugees/#sthash.nvmeEIzF.dpuf
Sound familiar??

CRH

(1,553 posts)
87. If the Dalai Lama shows up, ...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:00 PM
Aug 2014

I will sacrifice myself, by his side, in a gesture of solidarity and peace for humanity. In the mean time, I'll trade one of the monks my citizenship for their return ticket. The repression in Tibet from where they are exiled, is more straight forward and honest than the farce that is American socio/economic casting and freedumb.

calimary

(81,504 posts)
149. Truly. Does it matter where they're from?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:06 PM
Aug 2014

Sounds like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Mr. Rogers once said - "look for the helpers." Helpers don't always dress in conventional uniforms.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
112. Wow. Powerful.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:08 PM
Aug 2014

That's what I like to see.
This kills my cynicism about the whole thing.
Powerful.

John Lucas

littlemissmartypants

(22,819 posts)
117. How were they able to sneak across the border in those bright outfits??
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:13 AM
Aug 2014

And they know that they may be sent back to South America don't they?


J/K



Namaste.
~ Lmsp

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
120. How about some Shaolin Monks to give the good people of Ferguson some back up?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:10 AM
Aug 2014

Glad to see these guys there though.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
148. Where is Kwai Chang Caine when you need him?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:03 PM
Aug 2014

Seriously, this situation is horribly upsetting. I'm glad reinforcements have shown up.

 

terdheadur

(32 posts)
151. this is awesome BUT
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:10 PM
Aug 2014

Where in the hell is Pelosi, The clintons, Obama? They should be in Ferguson or at least speaking up Wtf? Disappointed.

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