Who out there has had a head injury of any kind?

[avebury]

They hurt like a bitch and are often quite bloody (just look at the picture of the guy who was beat up by Ferguson cops a few years ago). I had a head injury when I was younger and I had to go to the ER for stitches because there was blood everywhere and it hurt like hell.

Now go look at the pictures and video of the shooter standing around Michael Brown's body. Do you see any sign of injury? Any blood? Do you see any mannerisms of a person who has sustained a head injury? Do see him continually reaching up to his head? Would a seriously injured person (particularly with an alleged eye injury) actually be allowed to try himself away from the scene in his patrol car? Or would they call an ambulance or at least pack him into another car and take him to a hospital?

I just don't see how any of the actions at the scene lend any support to the allegation that the shooter had sustained a serious injury. They haven't even released any pictures that depict the alleged injury. Where is proof of injury? They may keep him out of sight long enough so that they can claim his injuries healed.

[Kalidurga]

1. He did drive away didn't he

that's very interesting. The kind of eye injury they are saying he had could also lead to a concussion. Driving with a concussion could be a very dangerous thing.

In answer to the question though, I have never had a bleeding head injury. But, I have had 3 concussions any one of them could have been fatal. I was under observation for 24 hours with all three of them. I had to stay awake and I was bored so I drove the nurses nuts.

[csziggy]

2. Four concussions and a broken eye socket

And, no, I could not walk around steady and apparently with no pain as he does in that video.

The broken eye socket gave me the most impressive black eye I've ever seen - and the pressure of the bleeding the eye socket blinded me in that eye for weeks. I went into shock after the initial blow and was unsteady for days.

[avebury]

5. Based upon your personal experience, what condition

do you think that shooter was in as shown in the pictures and video from the scene. I thought he looked like he was moving around pretty well.

[csziggy]

7. No, I couldn't walk steady for a few days

Darren Wilson seems completely unaffected by any physical ailment in that video.

[NV Whino]

3. I had my nose broken twice

Once by a baseball bat. Once by a horse swinging her head into my nose.

I was pretty well wrecked for the rest of the day each time. Ice packs and aspirin and all that, not to mention doctors and X-rays.

[Throd]

4. I have sustained several major head injuries. Some were bloody, some weren't.

[avebury]

11. But I bet that most of you injuries hurt like hell!

I don't see how they can claim that he had a serious injury when 1) the cop in the video and pictures with him wasn't paying any attention to any "injuries" on the shooter and 2) the shooter was allowed to drive himself away from the scene. The shooter's physical demeanor in the video indicates that he was moving around quite well for someone with a "head injury." Short of pictures of any injuries and a statement from an attending physician I just don't buy the story given the Ferguson PD's penchant for lying.

[GusBob]

6. i dont believe the cops story

But the orbit of the eye is a complex structure with I believe many different bones. One of the internal bones can be slightly damaged with out external appearrance.

[Downwinder]

8. Three scalp wounds requiring stitches or a clamp. All bled profusely.

[notadmblnd]

9. When I was about 4 I ran past the fuel oil truck in our driveway

who happened to be delivering fuel and slammed my forehead into the door where the hose came out putting a huge gash into it. Then, when I was about 8 I jumped up on he kitchen sink and hit the top of my head on the corner of the kitchen cupboard. I remember both injuries hurting like hell and automatically putting my hand on my head holding the hurt. I didn't even realize how badly I was bleeding until I took my hand down. Then when I was about 25 I got into a car accident, wasn't wearing my seat belt so my head went down between the door and the steering wheel slicing my forehead open again, that time I actually went to the hospital and I really don't remember too much about the pain and blood from that one. However, I remember that my face looked like someone beat the shit out of me.

[libodem]

10. Do pistols kick

Was he shooting out of his car window? Could he have cracked his own head getting out of the car while shooting?

Or he did the Zimmerman thing, where he went home and whapped his head against his cinder block walls, for being so fucking stupid.

That is what happened.

[avebury]

12. It is possible that the gun might have had a kickback when

he was in a hurry to fire the gun at Brown while the cop was still in his car. I doubt that the cop was really thinking out what he was doing and anticipate actions having consequence.

[notadmblnd]

13. I still think Zimmerman ran into a low hanging tree branch

And there was a small tree right there near where Trayvon was murdered.

[libodem]

15. Could be

We'll never know. Wonder if the spawn of Satan has arrived to help Zimmy eat his girlfriend's WIC checks worth of cereal and milk?

[Travis_0004]

16. Wouldnt Johnathan good have said so if it happened

He witnessed the zimmerman fight and he was the prosecution's witness.

[notadmblnd]

17. I dont think he actually was a witness. I think he just said he was

If he was standing there watching all that occurred, then why didn't he help ole Georgie boy when he yelled for help?

[MrMickeysMom]

14. Hurts like a muther...

Lots of disorientation and mild shock… blood… lots of blood. It's a bitch to wash your hair right away, too.

[MohRokTah]

18. In my life, I have had three head injuries.

None of them would have allowed me to stand for the time Wilson stood and paced at the scen of the crime.

[GusBob]

19. are they claiming head injury or orbital blowout fracture?

Not trying to be obtuse but there is a difference. From my football training days I think I recall a fracture of the orbital floor bone can be an occult condition with various signs and symptoms which may not be
initially apparant.

An X ray would be necessary to prove it

[GusBob]

23. i asked my wife who is a VA eye Dr. if they are claiming orbital blowout fracture

She said it can have many different presentations. She said it could be a serious problem. She also said you can indeed be walking around and functioning normally. She saw a patient with one last week who had been in an altercation. The guy was symptom free but the xray showed fracture of the orbital floor bone.

His only treatment was monitoring and allow to heal. He cant blow his nose too hard or their could be further damage

[840high]

20. Got hit on my forehead

by my eye. Bled profusely. I drove myself to ER.

[newcriminal]

34. My eye has never hit my forehead.

You have one mean eye.

[840high]

36. Heehee - I need more coffee. Much more.

[WCLinolVir]

21. LOLOLOL!!!!!!!

[GReedDiamond]

22. Way back in '73 I was beat on the head - pistol whipped - actually...

...by a crazed cop who suspected I was in possession of some cannabis...which I was.

The Peace Officer also smashed my head against the curb.

The pain was not noticeable to me, probably due to an adrenalin kinda thing.

But I bled a lot, especially on the shirt I was wearing, a souvenir of the 1972 Republican Convention in Miami Beach.

The YIPPIES! - who were doing this thing called ZIPPIE! in Flamingo Park - silk-screened the shirt and it made its way back to me in Illinois, and I was wearing it on that day in 1973. It said "Turn On, Tune In, Take Over! - ZIPPIE!"

I was handcuffed, arrested, and transported to a hospital where a doctor with a German accent stitched up my head.

After that I was whisked to my luxury suite, an overcrowded jail cell, where I slept like a baby on the cement floor.

I was out the next day, but with six felony charges against me, and a mostly shaved head with several stitches.

I won't bore you with the details of how my case turned out, suffice to say, I never spent another day (or night) in a jail cell.

[Cha]

27. Ouch! :(

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

24. Here's a photo of junior middleweight boxer Alfredo Angulo after a punch broke his left orbital bone

This is what he looked like seconds after the punch he received from Cuban boxer Erislandy Lara in the 10th round of his recent fight. Angulo immediately turned his back to his opponent and quit as he could no longer see. Angulo looked fairly normal just before. A top fighter in his weight classification, he's known as a very determined fighter who doesn't get discouraged. Of course every injury might be different, but I think a broken eye socket is going to hurt like hell and immediately swell up. After and before:

[mythology]

25. My last concussion, which resulted in a month of headaches, dizziness and memory issues

was apparently deemed to be nothing by the people who watched it. I have no memory at all for 45 minutes to an hour, but in that time, I further competed in martial arts, participated in a group photo and then wandered off to where I collapsed in a heap in a stairwell before later driving myself and others home. Of the 150 to 200 people who saw me get spiked on my head, it took a couple of hours before one of them, a nurse, thought to check me for a concussion. I've been told by one of them that I got up so quickly they assumed nothing was wrong with me.

The concussion before that, which didn't result in anything other than bad headaches for a week, I was noticeably out of it immediately and had a red mark on my forehead from where I hit my head.

On the other hand, the last time I got a cut on my head by running into the underside of a staircase running out the door an hour late leaving for work, it bled for somewhere north of 10 hours even with a gauze pad tied to the cut. The worst part was that I had hit the hour forward button on my alarm clock, so I didn't need to be rushing since I wasn't late.

Head injuries can be weird in my experience.

[nomorenomore08]

26. I've had a few concussions that knocked me dizzy (though not unconscious).

I also once hit the sidewalk face-first (St. Patrick's Day - enough said) which resulted in two broken teeth and a bruised eyesocket. The latter caused enough swelling that I was evaluated (CAT scan) for a possible broken orbital bone.

In all the above cases, I was dazed for a few minutes at the very least. Sometimes for a half-hour to an hour.

[politicat]

28. I've first-aid treated what turned out to be an orbital fracture.

Years ago, when I was still keeping my first responder (adv first aid + crisis management) up to date, I served as medic for a renaissance re-enactment group. Somebody in melee combat took a pair of blows in a helmet that had worn strapping (the first, from the rear right, knocked the helmet forward and off, just as the opponent at the front left went for a body shot, but first blow tipped zir forward). I saw the hit, saw the helmet fail, and the shinai crack across the combatant's bare face.

It took me 45 seconds to get combat halted and get to the injured with my box; by then, zie already had a raccoon eye bruise (utterly glorious shiner for the next three weeks), swelling and pain. By the time we had zir loaded for the ER run (I don't dismiss head wounds and wouldn't take no on that one), maybe 10 minutes later, zie was blackening from nose to temple, and that with ice packs. Zie had what zie called a sinus headache hell migraine for at least 5 days.

Shinai are practice swords made of bamboo; they're not heavy and don't have a lot of thwack. They're sort of the wiffle ball of the non-choreographed combat world. Taking a blow from one, even without armor, is mostly a slap, not at all like getting hit with a plywood kid's Ren faire sword. They're not like swinging a baseball bat in terms of power, but one coulda if necessary do a fair bit of damage with one.

I don't doubt that orbital fractures can be occult, but they hurt like hell, and they bruise fast and easy. They're pretty obvious, and swelling is not the thing most people notice -- it's the big damn bruise that shows up early and the OMG ice pick in my face feeling.

[avebury]

29. Thank you for posting your observation

on the type of injury the Ferguson PD is claiming that shooter received. It kind of proves my point that I don't think the evidence supports the Ferguson PD's claim that the shooter was seriously injured.

[KittyWampus]

30. "Of any kind"? Yes, I bumped my head a few times. Why? You think random ancedotal

accounts on DU have any relevance to the killer cop?

This post may end up giving me grief but at this point, in the vacuum the FPD has left, it seems both sides (racists/justice seekers) are starting to spew out gibberish.

[malaise]

31. Link here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5416192

[TorchTheWitch]

32. My best friend's little sister died of a head injury

No blood. She didn't even know she had a severe skull fracture. No one did. She just had a headache. Less than 24 hours later she was dead. She was having cerebral hemorrhage and massive swelling in her brain they couldn't stop. She was 15 years old.

How is it that suddenly police officers are expected to be beaten to a pulp first before they can use deadly force?

A few days ago people hear were believing every word of Johnson's account that no struggle occurred, and the officer was the aggressor inexplicably pulling Brown into his car. Now people are whining that the officer's injuries that Brown gave him just aren't "that bad" because in a blurry video at a long distance they don't see any blood.


So hang on here, for over a week this place has erupted in calling Wilson a murderer who shot an unarmed teenager in the back while he was simultaneously running away while also having his hands in the air surrendering and all because Wilson is a racist or a typical cop. Even had someone here wanting to know if he was a member of the KKK and calling for people to contemplate that instead of that video showing Brown committing a robbery moments before the encounter with Wilson. And now the complaint is well, he can't have been injured by Brown so severely because in this blurry long distance video taken at who know what time they don't see any blood. Well, well.

[Ms. Toad]

35. There is a difference between expecting police to beaten to a pulp

before responding with deadly force - and questioning whether it is realistic to think that someone who is walking around apparently in no pain (no visible tending to the eye, slow pacing) and who is allowed to drive away from the incident received an injury which shattered his eye socket. I wouldn't have expected blood running down his face, but I would have expected some sign of pain in how he carried himself (which is about all that would be clear from the video).

[Ms. Toad]

33. That was my reaction -

I'd watched the tape, in which he doesn't seem to be in any physical pain. The apparent lack of pain in the video shot close enough in time that the body was still uncovered - and the fact that he was allowed to drive himself away - is hard to reconcile with an eye injury that broke the eye socket bones.

[TheKentuckian]

37. I've had a couple of concussions including one that left me unconscious

No obvious signs of injury (though I had a nice knot on my head if you look through the hair) but I was dizzy and confused for some time after coming to.