Forget the bullet entry theories..does Brown have abrasions on his fist?

[Mike Daniels]

The person hired by the family to do the autopsy has said the bullet wounds don't disprove either side's story.

However the police are saying the officer's face is fractured. It would seem that hitting anyone that hard in the face would result in some sort of contact injury to the hand of the assailant. It seems that Brown's hands are more likely to indicate who is telling the truth.

Just thinking....

[notadmblnd]

1. Baden did say there was no sign of a struggle

but yes, if he hit someone so hard as to break his face, I think it's reasonable that there should at least be swelling.

[Lint Head]

2. Having ones hands raised as they hit the ground from bullets entering their body

can cause abrasions. Asphalt does that.

[HooptieWagon]

5. That would probably be on the palms, though.

A punch would show damage to knuckles, especially if they broke facial bones. Possibly even result in broken hand. No mention of any hand damage by the 2nd autopsy.

[MohRokTah]

3. No sign of a struggle in second autopsy.

So it would be doubtful to find any signs of a struggle in the initial autopsy.

That's something that doesn't go away.

[WCLinolVir]

4. He could have been injured by car door post etc.....etc......

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. My theory regarding the alleged broken face is ...

Based on the statement of the witness that observed the entire incident.

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.

Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.

“I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.”

“They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

The broken face did not come from a punch; but rather, the door frame of the truck.

[Cha]

8. Thank you for that, 1Strong.. :(

[1StrongBlackMan]

9. And that cuts FOR the dead Black kid ...

it shows he did not attack the still living and free white cop or attempt to get the still living and free white cop's gun.

[tblue37]

14. Trayvon also had no sign on him of having hit Zimmerman,

yet the lie about his attacking Zimmerman was bought by all the RWers.

Also, just as in the case of Trayvon's murder, lying witnesses are now claiming that Brown was throwing MMA punches at the cop's face through the window.

I complained in an OP about the constantly repeated but totally implausible excuses cops give for killing unarmed black men:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025413634

This nonsense about the victim having thrown MMA punches that justify his killer's use of a gun is another clearly invented excuse that is being trotted out whenever a murdered black man needs to be demonized and his killer needs to be transformed into a fragile and innocent victim.

[gordianot]

10. I suspect since Nixon is not going for some sort of special prosecutor there were real discussions.

There will be more tomorrow with Attorney General Holder face to face. I could be very wrong but there is a whirlwind coming not in the form of just civil unrest but at the ballot box and the Politicians know it is coming. The tragedy is that is what it takes for an 18 year old to get justice. (another cliche follows) The entire country hangs in the balance.

[Kalidurga]

7. A punch that hard could lead to more than abrasions

if you don't know how to throw a punch it can lead to a fracture.

[Warpy]

11. Right, and was there blood spatter on the cop's uniform?

There are a lot of unanswered questions.

[New Deal Liberal]

12. Why doesn't the police just release a video of the officer's face?

Seems like another coverup.

[tblue37]

13. At the very least Brown would have had the cop's skin cells on his hand.

It is likely that the cop, while jumping out of the car to attack Brown, smacked his own face on the door as he slammed it open and it bounced back on him because he was too close to Brown.