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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am racist, and so are you.
https://beingshadoan.wordpress.com/2014/08/15/i-am-racist-and-so-are-you/How do I know that Im racist?
Once, while living alone, I heard a noise that I took to be someone attempting to break in to my house. Instead of transforming into the valkyrie Id always imagined Id be in such a situation, I proceeded to have the kind of reaction I usually reserve for brown recluse spiders. Which is to say, I hid and called my boyfriend to come rescue me. When he arrived, finding the only other occupant of my house to be my wildly overactive imagination, he asked me, What were you so afraid of?
Unbidden, the image of a tall, young black man popped into my head. I dont remember what answer I gave my boyfriend, but I doubt it was young black men.
Iamthetruth
(487 posts)I am not racist nor do I think like that. I can't stand stupidity, race is never a factor.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)of young Blacks are walking towards you, wearing hoodies you would think nothing of it?
Or riding a subway at night alone in a one of the cars, you wouldnt think twice about your situation if a group of young blacks entered your car? Bullshit..
The media has brainwashed us all... To be in constant fear... We have been thoroughly defeated..
Iamthetruth
(487 posts)I'm 6'4", I don't get scared or concerned too often walking anywhere. I live by a rule never to put myself in a position I can't control. If I find myself in a position where someone else can cause me harm, I'm not looking at skin color, I'm looking for a safe way out without having to confront or be confronted. As I've said, I don't think like that.
Looks like you just called yourself out lol, no matter your race.
Whole group of kids answering that description in my neighborhood. I'm the "old" lady on a mountain bike.
They shout at me. They shout, "there she goes, you go lady! (I hate being called lady, but I'm not in the least frightened)
I'm certain if I crashed in front of them, they'd be right there to help me.
dilby
(2,273 posts)When people see me they also get scared, big guy, long hair, beard and tats it doesn't make them racists it just means they are normal.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)in my post
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I would be much more comfortable than if it was a couple of tattooed white skinheads.
The blogger cited in the OP may confess to being a racist but does not speak for all of us.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Like Iamthetruth I am also a big fella.
Are there people who make me uncomfortable, yeah, but it's not race specific. i try not to make as few as assumptions as possible.
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Heddi
(18,312 posts)I won't see another white person outside of the one that lives in my house with me and the ones I work with.
The idea that, according to you, I should be "frightened" of the people I live and work around, that I ride the trains, busses, and subways with every day, multiple times a day....it's laughable.
I ride the subway home every night. I'm generally the only person in the car. Every night. Young (and old) black males and females enter the car every night. I don't think twice about the situation. I don't think once about it. I just make sure I don't fall asleep and miss my stop.
I work in one of the highest crime areas of Philadelphia. If I crossed the street every time I was in front of or behind or beside someone of a different race, a different gender, or wearing a hoodie, I'd never get to work because I'd be zig-zagging the entire walk there.
Your understanding of white people is....darling.
BTW, I'm a 38 year old short, fat, white woman. I'm not a threat to anyone.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)The blanket declaration that race is never a factor, means it's a lot more frequently a factor than this person admits or is truly aware of.
Baitball Blogger
(46,715 posts)Racism involves the perception of superiority.
We may all have prejudices, but we're not all racists.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)that we should all remember.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)sad, but that is the way most people view it. prejudice and bigotry are 'verbiage non-grata' these days.
sP
Enrique
(27,461 posts)but it is a semantic point which does not address the author's point.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:01 PM - Edit history (1)
if we could arrive at succinct definitions for racism, bigotry and prejudice.
FINAL EDIT: I just succeeded in confusing the shit out of myself.
Maybe prejudice is thought...bigotry is behavior...racism is systemic (but racism is limited to ethnic bigotry).
I'm now so confused that I created an OP to get help...lol
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025418002
EDIT TO ADD the following; need to shorten them into soundbites:
Prejudice:
The word prejudice refers to prejudgment: making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case or event. The word has commonly been used in certain restricted contexts, in the expression 'racial prejudice'. Initially this is referred to making a judgment about a person based on their race, religion, class, etc., before receiving information relevant to the particular issue on which a judgment was being made; it came, however, to be widely used to refer to any hostile attitude towards people based on their race or even by just judging someone without even knowing them. Subsequently the word has come to be widely so interpreted in this way in contexts other than those relating to race. The meaning now is frequently "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence".[1] Race, sex, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age, and religion have a history of inciting prejudicial behavior.
Bigotry:
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.
(But people who are bigoted toward others for any number of reasons also often feel they are superior, so I'm confused???)
Racism:
Racism, by its definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. People with racist beliefs might hate certain groups of people according to their racial groups. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discriminiation.
They all mean similar, yet different things as you can see.
Edit to add perhaps these as summaries:
PREJUDICE = Prejudgment based on any number of factors
BIGOTRY = Intransigence intolerance of persons or lifestyles different from one's own
RACISM = Individual beliefs and systems which hold that one ethnicity is superior to another
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Clarification is always good and verbal accuracy is even better.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)What do you think?
PREJUDICE = Prejudgment based on any number of factors
BIGOTRY = Intransigence intolerance of persons or lifestyles different from one's own
RACISM = Individual beliefs and systems which hold that one ethnicity is superior to another
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Great post
840high
(17,196 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)When I hear sounds outside my house, I don't imagine black people.
She IS a racist piece of shit. She needs to own it; not project it.
TYY
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)don't you, that she IS owning it by admitting to having racist thoughts.
Unlike some who insist that they are not racists, but everyone else is.
Projection is when people go around accusing others of being __________ (fill in the blank) because they don't want to face their own inner demons.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)My imaginary boogeyman isn't a young black man. It's a meth addled white guy with bad teeth and a gun.
TYY
Enrique
(27,461 posts)this is a message I used to hear when I was growing up but now it's pretty rare. Now, discussions of racism usually take the form "they are racist, we are not", which to me is delusional.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)She may have had those thoughts, she may have been afraid to be alone, but she doesn't speak for everyone.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)When it happens, I observe the thought and try to figure out where it comes from, and do my best to keep it from influencing any action I take.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)now. They might still have it. Some above are rightfully correcting the verbiage in that its that we all harbor some prejudices and generalizations about certain peoples. Each persons 'certain peoples' are different.
The key, according to the Museum of Tolerance is that we acknowledge that we have those prejudices and work to eliminate them and prevent them from affecting our decisions and dealings with people. Its a lifelong effort.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)that look borderline skin head, which I associate with violence and racism. That is an entirely wrong assessment of them, but I find it very hard to shake off my discomfort with how they look. It does make me uncomfortable.
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)My apartment was robbed on St. Patrick's day last spring and they got the guy on camera. White dude with blond hair.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)#1. Not a fan of the "It's impossible to not be racist" / "Everyone is a racist" meme.
#2. When I'm woken up by a noise and I worry about an intruder in my house I don't necessarily picture someone of a certain ethnicity. It likely will depend on where I live. Currently, I would probably picture a white person as it would be most likely in my neighborhood, but I've lived in other areas where I might picture someone else.
With that said...here's my story.
I'm mixed race (black/white). My siblings are all white as we have different fathers. However my father raised them all and they considered him as a father (recently deceased). I grew up in a well off neighborhood with a heavy Jewish population, near a Jewish Community Center, where I was actually sent to summer camp as a child (we were non-religous, it was just a fun summer camp), so I ended up with a lot of Jewish friends growing up. My mother was an ESL teacher, in fact head of the ESL department for our public school system, specifically dealing with refugee families. From a young age I was forced to go to a lot of functions with her(hey nobody wants to hang out with their parents) where I would be left to play with kids who had recently moved, or been forced to move here from the Eastern world. Vietnamese & Hmong were the most common refugees when I was a child, but I played with kids from all over the world.
I am not a racist.
Now...is my story unique? Sure. But no, you don't "have to be racist". Children, unless taught (and many are) are pretty much predisposed to NOT be racist, in my experience. All it takes is keeping that open mind with you throughout the rest of your life.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)When I was a teenage white kid living in the 'burbs, and I got scared one evening home alone, "young, black men" were not who I feared. I feared the Jesse Timmendequas of the world, the normal looking white guys.
I have African American students, who are male, 18-20. Are they supposed to scare me? They don't. They're nice, polite young men. If I didn't know them, I still wouldn't cross the street if they approached me at night. I wasn't raised with that intrinsic fear.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)During the ten years we lived in NM, Mr. Thirties worked court security; one of his jobs was to bring DWI prisoners to a therapy session (court ordered). I sat in on one session and when the 15 or so prisoners arrived I was astonished that none were black. Most of all, I was surprised that I was surprised. I had no idea I had that expectation.
I am 79, was always against segregation, at age 10 told my grandmother's maid (in Oklahoma City) she shouldn't have to sit at the back of the bus. Yet, lurking somewhere in my subconscious, was that expectation that prisoners are black. (Really absurd since there were maybe 10 African Americans in the entire county in NM.)
I suspect it's generational, and there's hope. When my granddaughter was five, I told her that at one time blacks lived on one side of a particular street, whites on the other. "But where did all the tan people live," she asked. She had lived in Atlanta all her life and had no concept of race.
Edited to add: Granddaughter is 24 now and teaches in an underprivileged high school in New Orleans. She's a passionate advocate for her students.
JustAnotherGen
(31,824 posts)Kali
(55,008 posts)welcome to DU
Thirties Child
(543 posts)Actually, I've been here since 2004, joined when Wes Clark dropped out of the presidential race. I was a world-class lurker: read every day, seldom posted. I had around a thousand posts when we moved, got a new server and computer, and I simultaneously lost my password. Had to start all over.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)People in denial have not even taken the first step.
Admitting is always the first step.
Some people's egos will not allow for that.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)You obviously need to spend several hours doing tortuous self-examination until your self-loathing reaches an acceptable level. Or something.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Like birdwatching. That birdbath becomes hostile at times.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)but are actually just trying to process their own feelings. She is really working through her own thoughts by way of writing. Believes she is a teacher. Is actually a student of herself. Good on her. If more people were able to self reflect, truly find their inner self, and assess where they are at, we would all be better off. Really not much of a teacher though.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)so much talk about race amounts to self-flattery, imho. That will get us nowhere, because no one will admit they have any room for improvement.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)some drunken blue-eyed howdy wearing nothing but holey socks and a beat-up cowboy hat.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)No particular color.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It will be a male.
Funny how that is.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Response to redqueen (Reply #27)
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redqueen
(115,103 posts)people who aren't white can be racist, too.
4commonsense
(6 posts)There are racists in all races.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Enjoy your stay.
Kali
(55,008 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)who this might be.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Kali
(55,008 posts)I got rid of one earlier, once I got my alert button working.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And they always come down on the same side of both issues.
Kali
(55,008 posts)claims of innocence are always suspicious, especially if there is no evidence of introspection
sir pball
(4,742 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)I am Everybody, according to Rachel Shadoan.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)people who flatter themselves that they are "color-blind" will be unable to overcome theirs, because they are not aware of them.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)They seem to be ingrained fairly deeply.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)that's important.
ProfessorGAC
(65,044 posts)You give her far more credit than i would say she deserves. Admitting one is a racist and making the proper changes in perspective are not automatically linked.
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The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The person fears an intruder and automatically thinks the intruder is black and tall.
I would be shook if an intruder was trying to enter my home but for the life of me I don't think i would be speculating about his or her color and height.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)and absorb them to some extent or another. To imagine that white people can be entirely immune to that ignores the reality of the cultural messages we have been exposed to throughout our lives. What you can do is seek to understand, rather than ignore, those messages. Confront them in yourself, interrogate and address them. That is what the debate about white privilege is about. Michael Brown is a perfect example. That sort of thing is FAR more likely to happen to black youth than white. It is a fact. While you can and should feel anger and outrage at the treatment of the citizens of Ferguson, you are not the same as them. Middle- and upper-middle class white people do not experience that level of contempt and abuse by police simply for existing. That is racism that people of color live with, and white folks are privileged in that we get to be treated as individuals rather than racial stereotypes.
It's important, I believe, not to externalize racism. No one believes they are racist (save for the odd rhetorical flourish in an article like this). Cops don't believe they are racist. White Supremacists don't believe they are racist, and mortgage officers who red line neighborhoods don't believe they are racist. I think the point is not so much who is or isn't a racist but what beliefs do we have that are influenced by racism and how do we act on them? Do we clutch our purse or wallet when we see a black male at night? Do we assume the black person is the porter at the hotel? Or do we tell African Americans that discussing racism on a message board is "divisive" or "Third Way" because it doesn't speak to our own experiences? Those are all manifestations of racism, but none are permanent. It is possible to unlearn some of the assumptions and ideas we take for granted by being conscious and thoughtful of how we think about race and how we act in various situations.
Kali
(55,008 posts)Zenlitened
(9,488 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)who says they have no racism or prejudice in them is either fooling themselves or lying, imo.
LloydS of New London
(355 posts)And, in most instances, we're not even consciously aware of it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)at war with each other while the ruling class exploits them. This utilizes anger.
For those who aren't sufficiently brainwashed by racism, religion picks up the slack. Religion threatens eternal damnation if the masses don't behave according to the ruling class's desires. This utilizes fear.
For those whose populace is of the same geopolitically defined race and religious fear isn't working, different religions are set upon each other via each religion's proselytism requirement. Zero sum. All or nothing. One religion. This utilizes anger.
Divide and Conquer, the emotion-based tool. It works.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)"and so are you"
Nope, just you. And you should deal with that by owning it yourself, not assuaging your guilt by blaming others.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)And I have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams, especially considering that everyone here (except trolls) identifies as progressive or at least liberal.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)everyone realizes you posted an article by someone else....
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)tblue37
(65,370 posts)since I blame that species for most of what goes really wrong on earth.
Oh, sure, I have some human friends, you know, the "Good Ones," but for the most part I feel suspicious of humans in general and only drop my suspicion when I see evidence that someone is not as much if an a**hole as my prejudice leads me to assume most humans are likely to be.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Together they are responsible for almost 200 hundred deaths in my lifetime in my hometown.
Notice what they all have in common?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #74)
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ileus
(15,396 posts)I know if my home is invaded while I'm there there probably a 100% chance it's a white pillhead.
The sidearm I carry every day is black FWIW...
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)I'm shocked by all of the racism here, many times by the people who oppose racism the most.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)said something that can be taken as biased. On reflection, I often find that I agree with their take on whatever it is. It is like peeling an onion. I have been raised as a white person in this society, and this society is racist. There are always going to be bad lessons about race that I have to unlearn, and I will always be willing to work on that.
I do not have the image of a young black man as the definition of my own personal bogey man, but there are other racist issues that pop up for anyone raised as a white person in a racist society. If we aren't willing to admit that, we aren't willing to face those things and exorcise them.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)is still young and working things out for herself...
we all tend to be prejudiced by our environment/nurturing but hopefully the maturation process helps us to sort things out...
I profiled once when I was choosing a tenant for my house 12 years ago (long story) and I was WRONG... I will never forget what I did, think about it very often and am mindful of how egregious my actions were...