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OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 01:59 PM Aug 2014

I just confused myself re: prejudice vs bigotry vs racism

It would be so helpful if we could arrive at succinct definitions for racism, bigotry and prejudice. Well, it would help me since this is something I discuss with others frequently and always have, though I tend to focus on the systemic nature of racism.

I just succeeded in confusing the shit out of myself as I Googled to find clear definitions for each.

These long definitions are the best I found:

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Prejudice:

The word prejudice refers to prejudgment: making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case or event. The word has commonly been used in certain restricted contexts, in the expression 'racial prejudice'. Initially this is referred to making a judgment about a person based on their race, religion, class, etc., before receiving information relevant to the particular issue on which a judgment was being made; it came, however, to be widely used to refer to any hostile attitude towards people based on their race or even by just judging someone without even knowing them. Subsequently the word has come to be widely so interpreted in this way in contexts other than those relating to race. The meaning now is frequently "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence". Race, sex, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age, and religion have a history of inciting prejudicial behavior.

Bigotry:

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.


Racism:

Racism, by its definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. People with racist beliefs might hate certain groups of people according to their racial groups. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialized, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.


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Based on this, I thought perhaps the following summaries would suffice:


PREJUDICE = Prejudgment based on any number of factors

BIGOTRY = Intransigence intolerance of persons or lifestyles different from one's own

RACISM = Individual beliefs and systems which hold that one ethnicity is superior to another


While I know that racism is systemic and institutionalized...really, throughout the world, not limited to the US...the thought came to mind that there are certainly other forms of bigotry that are systemic, at least here in the US, though none so widely destructive as racism.

So are our systems both bigoted and racist? Does bigotry only apply to individuals whereas racism is always institutional?

Plus, the helpful distinction for me was that racism, specifically, connotes a belief that one race is superior to another. But people who are bigoted toward others for any number of reasons also often feel they are superior.

See what I mean? I just confused myself to no end, but would appreciate help in coming up with bite-size definitions and distinctions.


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I just confused myself re: prejudice vs bigotry vs racism (Original Post) OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 OP
Re: Bigotry YarnAddict Aug 2014 #1
Good point. OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #2
More accurately, you're describing actual "tolerance." LanternWaste Aug 2014 #4
To me, intolerance is simply the inability or unwllingness to accept differences of opinions, Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #5
so if a person says YarnAddict Aug 2014 #11
Intolerence means that one doesn't want that particular thing around them. snagglepuss Aug 2014 #7
You might look at it this way: malthaussen Aug 2014 #3
Thanks, Mal :) n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #6
Racism requires power however philosslayer Aug 2014 #8
Friend of mine makes the same argument... malthaussen Aug 2014 #9
Or a shorter version... Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #10
That's where I found myself going... OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #12
Fleshing it out a bit more... OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #13
I feel those are good "fleshings" as it were. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #19
So, personally, I'm making more progress... OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #14
Not to muddy the waters further...but... lapislzi Aug 2014 #15
I'll Google this in a moment... OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #16
To make a very simplistic analogy... lapislzi Aug 2014 #17
Well said. OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #18
 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
1. Re: Bigotry
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:12 PM
Aug 2014
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

How do you define "intolerant?" Unless there is an action attached to the "intolerance," then it just seems to mean disagreeing with someone or something. I can disagree with someone's opinion on just about anything, but I don't think that makes me intolerant, or a bigot.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
2. Good point.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:16 PM
Aug 2014

I don't have answers. As I said, I just managed to confuse myself about this whole topic.

Hopefully others will chime in and we can arrive at a consensus about definitions.



 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
4. More accurately, you're describing actual "tolerance."
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:29 PM
Aug 2014

"seems to mean disagreeing with someone or something..."

More accurately, you're describing actual "tolerance."

"A fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own."

"A fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own."

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
5. To me, intolerance is simply the inability or unwllingness to accept differences of opinions,
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:32 PM
Aug 2014

cultures, preferences, experiences, etc.

An intolerant person is someone who will not consider or accept differences; they are unyielding to change or influence.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
11. so if a person says
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:59 PM
Aug 2014

teenage pregnancy (just as an example) isn't a good thing, is that an intolerant position? Or, if a person says they believe life begins at conception, (and votes accordingly,) is that intolerance?

I'm really not trying to be argumentative; I just want to understand. It seems to me that intolerance is hard to define. It's easy to accuse others of it, but I think that often we deny it when it comes to issues we feel strongly about.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
7. Intolerence means that one doesn't want that particular thing around them.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:34 PM
Aug 2014

One can dislike something in the extreme but tolerate it's existence which is best understood in the maxim. I hate what you say but I'll defend your right to say it. That is a tolerant person. A tolerent person accepts difference even though he doesn't like that difference.

malthaussen

(17,200 posts)
3. You might look at it this way:
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:26 PM
Aug 2014

Bigotry: intolerance of another person's acts.
Racisim: hatred of another person based on some arbitrary ethnic distinction.

Racism can be seen as more invidious since it is based on something completely beyond the control of the hated individual.

Generally both these attitudes imply pre-judgement of entire groups of people without any consideration for individual personalities; ironically many bigots and racists have "friends" of the despised class who are somehow thought to be "different" from the rest.

Both bigotry and racism can be institutionalized. For example, racism institutionalized through Jim Crow laws, bigotry institutionalized by laws criminalizing homosexuality.

It doesn't help that these terms are frequently used interchangeably, which could confuse just about anyone. And arguably it doesn't really make much difference what a person's "reasons" for prejudicial actions are, since they are generally not amenable to argument in the first place.

-- Mal

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
8. Racism requires power however
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:41 PM
Aug 2014

Which is the main reason that true racism is largely a caucasian malady.

malthaussen

(17,200 posts)
9. Friend of mine makes the same argument...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:49 PM
Aug 2014

... about both bigotry and racism. I don't quite see it. Oppressed people can be just as intolerant, bigoted, and racist as oppressors. Now, to institutionalize racism or bigotry requires power, but power is not required for it to exist in an individual, as I see it.

I don't think a casual study of history or current events would support your contention that racism is a Caucasian malady. Genocide of one kind or another is a recurring theme, among all the races of the world. One of the easiest things in the world for a power-hungry group to do is arbitrarily label some other group as "other" and rouse the people to exterminate them.

-- Mal

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
10. Or a shorter version...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:50 PM
Aug 2014

PREJUDICE = thought

BIGOTRY = action (statement, voting, physical)

RACISM = system (institutionalized, societal, individual)

The last two, of course, can be codified in law. "Racism" is usually the stickler because there is the dictionary definition and then there is the sociological definition. Both can be correct, but often get interchanged. Some people have taken to calling the sociological definition Racism, while the dictionary version is spelled with the lowercase "r". Also, many confuse themselves into thinking that prejudice always means "bigoted" and it doesn't, though it can certainly lead to bigotry. A "common" prejudice might be "attractive people are dumb." It isn't "bigoted," but it is prejudicial. Now, if one refuses to hire, service, or otherwise interact with "attractive people", then that prejudice morphs into bigotry (usually referred to as "lookism&quot .

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
13. Fleshing it out a bit more...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:31 PM
Aug 2014

PREJUDICE = prejudgment; judgmental thought (I think it's safe to say that most, if not all, have prejudicial thoughts; the factors leading to prejudice are myriad). Individuals act with prejudice.


BIGOTRY = behavior stemming from a belief that your views/opinions/lifestyle are superior to another and thus you reject any view/opinion/lifestyle other than your own. Bigotry is behavior exhibited by individuals, groups and institutions

(I think that's key about bigotry, don't you? People aren't intolerant of differing ideas unless they feel THEIR way is superior, or the other way is inferior and harmful in some way, like homophobes. But YarnAddict raised a good point about defining the views/opinions/lifestyles more; he/she gave the example of having an opinion against teen pregnancy.)


RACISM = systemic beliefs and behavior by people and institutions in a position of privilege and/or power which views one race or ethnicity as superior to others, or views one race or ethnicity as intrinsically inferior to others.






Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
19. I feel those are good "fleshings" as it were.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 05:09 PM
Aug 2014

Let's tackle your "bigotry" concerns. It seems to me you are bogged down by more words, in this case, "tolerance (or intolerance)". I don't know if you have ever seen the articles where some right-wing Christian (usually) is droning on about being "the victim of liberal bigotry" because liberals are "intolerant" of his/her homophobia/anti-choice stance/etc. The usual responses are posters claiming to be proud bigots against those individuals making the charges or claiming to be "intolerant of intolerant people." It really is confusing, so I understand your dilemma. I see, too, another poster has introduced the concept of "bias" as well. I tell you, this is like quicksand, the more your struggle with it the deeper you sink!

But let's look at "intolerance" for a minute. Just because someone is intolerant, doesn't mean s/he is bigoted. Same goes for biased. I am going to use two (sort of) non-political topics:

Intolerant -- Maxine is intolerant of smokers engaged in smoking. As an asthmatic, she cannot tolerate cigarette smoke. -- In this example the person has a legitimate reason to be intolerant of someone one else's actions. I guess this is where I see the difference, if the actions produce a negative affect against someone else, then it can be acceptable to be "intolerant." A homophobe, who purposely works to limit my rights as a gay person is intolerant (bigoted) because my being gay does not affect them in any way. They do not lose any rights as I gain them. However, my intolerance of them wouldn't be bigoted because their actions affect my life in a negative way.

Bias -- Thomas always chooses vanilla ice cream, even when chocolate is available. -- "Bias" can simply mean "prefer" with no nasty implications. I, like Thomas, am biased toward vanilla; however, were it not available, then I might choose chocolate, which I prefer over some other flavors (coconut, for example). And, as to seemingly undermine my own point, bias can be a symptom of bigotry. If someone has a bias against something/someone, then it can very well be bigotry. This can also be true in the case where someone is biased toward something/someone, but, there is always a but, it may not be bigotry because someone chooses one thing over another, the ice cream example demonstrates a "bias toward". But, were Thomas biased AGAINST chocolate, then it would never be chosen by him, and he may even go as far as to try and eliminate the choice or work to get others to have his bias AGAINST the choice.

Confused?!

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
14. So, personally, I'm making more progress...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:43 PM
Aug 2014

I'm stuck on bigotry though.


PREJUDICE = prejudgment; judgmental thought (I think it's safe to say that most, if not all, people have prejudicial thoughts; the factors leading to prejudice are myriad). Individuals think and act with prejudice.


BIGOTRY = intolerant behavior (words, actions) stemming from a belief that your views/opinions/lifestyle/identity are superior to other culturally accepted views/opinions/lifestyles/identities. Bigotry is behavior exhibited by individuals, groups and institutions.

I think that's key about bigotry, don't you? People aren't intolerant of differing ideas unless they feel THEIR way is superior, or the other way is inferior and harmful in some way, like homophobes.


RACISM = systemic beliefs and behavior by people and institutions in a position of privilege and/or power which views one race or ethnicity as superior to others, or views one race or ethnicity as intrinsically inferior to others.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
15. Not to muddy the waters further...but...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:51 PM
Aug 2014

There is also BIAS, which I think many people subscribe to, either willingly or unwillingly. I have found this difficult to root out in my own thinking. It is a product of long years of conditioning by societal and cultural factors.

I know I am not a bigot. But I also know that I need to check myself--often, to ensure that I am not acting on or reinforcing biases that I don't even realize I hold. I don't want to have bias, but I realize that it's not entirely within my control. I stop myself when I know I'm thinking/saying/doing something that is biased. It's the stuff I *don't* realize that scares me.

Places like DU are good for airing that sort of thing out, because this place keeps you honest.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
16. I'll Google this in a moment...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 04:00 PM
Aug 2014

but do you think perhaps bias and prejudice are opposite sides of the same coin?

Biased toward...prejudiced against?

Edit to add: I'm going with the two sides of the same coin thing...Googling those two words just now threatened to thrust me back into a pure state of confusion about this entire topic.



lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
17. To make a very simplistic analogy...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 04:10 PM
Aug 2014

say you did a simple word/picture association with the word "criminal." If the first visual to pop into your head is the image of a black male, that's bias (I think). It doesn't mean you consciously associate people of a certain race with criminal behavior--you know better. But your pre-conscious mind fills in the blank before your intellectual, conscious mind can get to its feet.

That's why dog whistles work so well. They go in at a level below conscious thought, to someplace that rational thought cannot reach.

Those are the types of things well-intentioned people need to beat back in their own heads. We at DU, we're the smart ones. We're the ones trying to overcome our ingrained biases, prejudices, and thought patterns. At least I am. The ones who aren't? They're the ones watching F_x N_ws, getting their biases reinforced daily (as if they needed it...)

Edited to add: I feel your confusion, friend. I truly do, and I'll raise you some frustration. Peace!

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