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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsObama looks fucking PISSED! - ISIS ‘has no place in the 21st century’
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-isis-has-no-place-the-21st-century
handmade34
(22,756 posts)and not to derail your post but... also "Ignorant racism has no place in the 21st century"
Baclava
(12,047 posts)I won't be derailed...
WASHINGTON U.S. officials say military planners are weighing the possibility of sending more American forces to Iraq mainly to provide additional security around Baghdad.
The talks come as American fighter jets and drones conducted nearly a dozen airstrikes in Iraq since Tuesday when Islamic State militants threatened to kill a second American captive in retribution for any continued attacks.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/general-news/20140820/us-military-mulls-sending-about-300-more-troops-to-iraq-as-airstrikes-continue
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I was listening to NPR cover this and the announcer said this:
Word for word. (I just happen to be reading that line when the story came on.)
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 21, 2014, 06:51 AM - Edit history (1)
gordianot
(15,238 posts)Wonder how long it will be for the Obama haters about no ties? They usually zero in on those important important details.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)journalist whose life ISIS has threatened. The bin laden raid was pretty spectacular but also, I'd like to see some justice for what they did to James Foley. And I'd like to see the other journalist rescued alive.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)I think someone said there may be 30 people being held
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)we have allies in the area that may be able to help.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)I fear he may be in the next video
Baclava
(12,047 posts)WASHINGTON (AP) Senior Obama administration officials say the U.S. military launched a secret mission earlier this summer to rescue a number of Americans held captive by militants in Syria but failed to find them.
The officials say the American hostages were not at a location where the U.S. believed they were being held. The mission was carried out by several dozen special operations troops who were on the ground inside Syria for a short period of time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/us-hostages-syria_n_5696419.html
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I am suspecting a mole in the operation (on ISIS's side). Perhaps they knew in advance that our special ops team was coming and moved the captives. Damn! I hope we keep up our special ops going...
Baclava
(12,047 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I'm just all mad as hell over this. We need some help from our friends in the ME. Somehow, some way this has to stop. I agree with Obama that ISIS is a cancer.
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Baclava
(12,047 posts)The U.S. State Department has asked for 300 additional American military personnel to beef up security at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and at U.S. facilities at the Baghdad airport, a senior U.S. official told NBC News
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/state-department-asks-300-additional-military-personnel-iraq-n185221
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)He's to busy listening to those neoconservative's and the military industrial complex to get us back in there and now he's talking about an additional 300 troops..This cluster fuck keeps building every week.This will defeat the democrats in 2016 in my opinion
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)hurt Democrats having the President go after these animals? Which group is going to complain other than those that inhabit DU?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)kinda hard to jump onboard that ISIS "Freedom Fighter" bandwagon, even here
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)They just think we fuck everything up every time we get involved. I said it last night and I'll say it again - if there was ever a reason to unleash the full force of the US military to try and do some good in the world, this is it.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)You think sending in a few hundred troops is going to suffice? Will simply increasing the number of air strikes be sufficient?
Many people backed Bush's initial foray into Afghanistan, look how long we stayed there, and the Taliban are STILL in existence.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)We all mourned the fact that Pres Clinton did nothing about Rwanda - when people were getting butchered. Well folks, it's happening again and yet now I'm hearing to stand by and do nothing. What the fuck is the problem here?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)NARRATOR: Based on their accounts, we retraced their journey across the border into Turkey. After a 14-hour drive, they say they arrived in the Turkish capital of Ankara and were brought to a hotel. They were kept inside and questioned by Americans, who would only say they were from the military. But the rebels believed they were from the CIA.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We met them for six to seven hours a day. It was medical examinations, questions for each person individually, like, When did you join the uprising? And What was your profession or military rank?
They had tracked our work and asked us to verify information about attacks we carried out, such as who was present and how many men were martyred. Your responses have to match the entire groups.
NARRATOR: A week later, the rebels say they were surprised by what happened next.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We only found out where we were going to be trained on the last day in Ankara, when the Americans said goodbye and that, Tomorrow, well see you in Qatar.
NARRATOR: They were flown 1,500 miles away to Doha, the capital of Qatar, which is a key U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We drove for about two, two-and-a-half hours to reach the training ground. It was close to the Saudi border. We didnt know where we were because it was desert all around.
NARRATOR: Over the course of three weeks, they say they were trained by Americans at a base in the desert guarded by Qatari soldiers. Like many of the rebels who were sent to Qatar, 21-year-old Hussein had never had any previous military training.
HUSSEIN: [through interpreter] They trained us to ambush regime or enemy vehicles and cut off the road. They also trained us on how to attack a vehicle, raid it, retrieve information or weapons and munitions, and how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush.
NARRATOR: The rebels were outfitted with brand-new uniforms and boots.
MUHAMMAD ALI: [subtitles] Those trousers are from them, right?
HUSSEIN: [subtitles] Yeah. We got these boots in training.
MUHAMMAD ALI: The Americans were warning the fighters not to tell this story at all. And even at one point, they told them, If in any case this story will be published, we will stop funding you or arming you.
NARRATOR: The CIA and the State Department declined to comment on the fighters accounts of arming and training, though the Obama administration has said it plans to step up support to the rebels, and there have been other reports the CIA is running covert training out of Jordan.
randome
(34,845 posts)Or maybe the CIA should have done a better job at predicting the future. Or maybe this or maybe that.
Face it, no one turned these people into rampaging monsters except the rampaging monsters themselves.
What matters is the here-and-now.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Intervene, destabilize, intervene...
Rinse and repeat.
Rinse in blood. And keep the plutocrats in caviar.
Enough.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)And I dare anyone around me to say it's not our place.
The fuck it ain't.
We can't ignore and kumbaya our way out of every threat to the world.
And I'm glad we have a President that doesn't give in to the pressure of trying that naive/simplistic approach.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Why is it OUR place? What about the United Nations?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)qazplm
(3,626 posts)in situations like this.
That's the truth. So, if not us, then who?
I would strongly prefer a coalition obviously, but this group makes AQ look quaint. AQ at least focused for the most part on America writ large, they didn't really go after women, children, journalists, at least not to this degree. They weren't looking to commit genocide.
This group is just ridiculous, and at some point, there's a legit exercise of America military power, and to me this is it.
TBF
(32,062 posts)genocide was being committed in Rwanda.
Oh, I forgot - no oil there.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... jump on the next plane get on over there and "get 'er done" keyboard commando. Use your own dime, btw.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Drop Hellfire missiles on their farm like everyone else. Jeeesh.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)can't get any clearer than that
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The MIC frowns on the ability to discern patterns.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Big Brother wouldn't lie.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Chathamization
(1,638 posts)I wouldn't be surprised if the ISIS people watched videos of civilians killed by the US and whipped themselves up into a frenzy saying that about how it was "time to eradicate" these "animals" before the beheading.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)If we use drones or air strikes to help halt the advance of ISIS, then so be it. It is the right thing to do.
How anyone can defend these ISIS animals is beyond my understanding.
We are not knowingly arming these people. In fact, we have tried to convince the Kuwaitis and Saudis to cut off the funding flowing from their citizens.
We did not create these people, except by refusing to let them spread death with impunity.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Is like throwing chum to a shark and then climbing into the water wearing a bathing suit made out of steaks.
BaggersRDumb
(186 posts)All I know is thank goodness it isnt President McCain responding to this, can you say World War Three?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Everyone raise you hand, if you think you could better manage this ISIS situation?
Don't be shy!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)everyone could ... from the unaccountable, safety of their keyboard!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)But then I would be much better qualified than Obama to manage the situation.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Perhaps you could detail your "qualifications"/accomplishments that would suggest you are better equipped to handle the ISIS situation better than President Obama?
Thanks.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I can tell by your 9 character (10, if you count the punctuation mark) summation of you background.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)If you did believe me, I would worry about your intelligence!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This blood-soaked MIC rinse and repeat, with billions going to plutocrats, is getting very, very old.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Honestly, I don't.
You probably couldn't convince me, unless you can point to international diplomacy, plus access to current military and state intelligence. And, even then, you would remain suspect because I highly doubt anyone with such a background would be posting on DU.
Ahhh, the beauty of the internutz: one can be an astronaut, moon-lighting as a spy, while on a lunch break from one's cover job at the library.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)they messed with Obama. He doesn't bluff.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Astronomers search the galaxy for Earth like planets for signs of possible life, also wondering if civilizations might typically reach a critical point in their development where technology, including weapons technology, may surpass social enlightenment. I dread to think there might come a point in the future where dark ages organizations like ISIS that are the diametrical opposite of everything we cherish as liberals might acquire weapons of mass destruction. Even if we were to rub them out, I can't be sure a similar organization wouldn't soon take their place.
Boomerproud
(7,954 posts)It shows him playing golf with Alonzo Mourning. If that is true, he's played golf 2 times this week with him. Either this is true and it's going to go viral and bite Obama hard, or someone at CNN posted old footage and deliberately mislabeled it.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)pissed. I mean as much as a cool headed man gets.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)The war is on
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Was it her expression or how she framed the issue?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)at least that was my perception
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)Thanks for the thread, Baclava.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)that Hope and Change ended up being more of the same.
It's like living in a fucking horror version of Groundhog Day.
Destabilize, intervene, destabilize. Blood and more blood. There is *always* a new humanitarian crisis that the MIC had a hand in creating. It is a never-ending pattern. Blood flows to the ground, and money flows to the plutocrats.
Time to defund the damned MIC.