For the "wait for evidence" crowd.

[JaneyVee]

What evidence are you waiting for to emerge that you believe will justify the killing of an unarmed teenager running away from gunfire?

I hate to break it to you, but if the cops had even a shred of any evidence more damning than an alleged confrontation the cops would most likely have released it by now, even if just to calm tensions and allegations.

I'm not asking why you haven't made up your mind or which way you're leaning, I'm wondering exactly what missing evidence between the eyewitness accounts and officers account that you believe would justify killing an unarmed teenager.

For example, you could say: "I believe if Michael did punch the officer one time in the face and ran away then he deserved to die". Or, "stealing cigars is a no no and should be punishable by death!". Or, "he insulted the police officer and made him haz a sad, 6 bullets seems fair!". Or, "he picked up a piece of sidewalk!".

Insert your own, please. Just curious.

[IdaBriggs]

1. Ooh! I am also curious.

This should be...educational.

[JaneyVee]

3. There seems to be a lot of them around these days.

I want them to help me understand. According to Dorian this whole tragedy happened under a minute, so I think the evidence won't get much more complex than what we've heard already from eyewitness accounts.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. I doubt, anyone ...

will/would say, "Brown did this so he deserved to die" ... Rather, I suspect it'll be more like, "He did this and the police officer reacted to that (if even, over-reacted)."

[RobertEarl]

39. What i see

I see people making excuses for us being treated like mushrooms - fed bs and kept in the dark.

There are good people on the streets protesting being treated like mushrooms, and the cops have come from miles away to keep them treated like mushrooms and beat up on the protestors.

It makes no sense to type on DU mouthing the cop's side. Unless one is a full-blown closeted racist asshole. Those would do well to keep brown-nosing the cops.

[L0oniX]

73. I see the "innocent before guilty" thrown around here too...

I'm like ...oh so either Brown had the 6 holes already when the pig showed up or the pigs gun went off on its own or Brown is a victim of a gang shooting and the pig was just late in getting there or even if there weren't any witnesses we can trust that the pig is telling the truth that he killed in self defense in fear for his life. Yes the evidence is very simple yet it goes right over some heads ...I just don't get it but to each their own I guess.

[Boom Sound 416]

22. ...

[ReRe]

49. Me too...

[billhicks76]

58. Idiots Rule

The reason the police are silent about the exact chain of events is because they don't want to say something now that will be contradicted by evidence later which would make it easier for us to see them as liars.

[ZombieHorde]

2. What evidence has been presented against

both "men" being intergalactic beings disguised as human men engaged in a millennia-old struggle over the creation of the alien horror we mere earthlings call "mosquitos?"

[JaneyVee]

4. Is that illegal?

[Boom Sound 416]

20. I think it was the Daily Caller

[Anansi1171]

5. Michael Brown would have gotten on top of him and pummelled him into...

...the pavement. He was at least five - six moves TOPS from ending the POs life.

Lions, tigers, bears,MICHAEL BROWN!

Dontchaknow?

[L0oniX]

75. For some pigs just being black is aggressive enough to shoot first especially if they are running...

in fear for their lives. Maybe the Cops tv show isn't enough proof but I do hear "I ran because cops scare me" reason ...and I believe it. They are not peace officers anymore.

[Nye Bevan]

6. I can't stand those "wait for evidence" folks either.

This is not something new. It’s always tragic when it involves the death of someone so young. I have to be very careful about not prejudging these events before investigations are completed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/running-transcript-obamas-remarks-on-ferguson-mo-and-iraq/2014/08/18/ed29d07a-2713-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

[JI7]

13. that's the President of the United States who has to be careful of the way he talks about Racism

not sure why you keep bringing that up. he also isn't going to talk about republicans in the same way people on here do.

this is the internet board .

[Boom Sound 416]

19. Supposedly made up of reasoned people.

Right?

[JI7]

26. this board ? no

[Boom Sound 416]

27. On your other point.

I think it's quietly obvious the President feels he waded to far last summer. He's not making the same mistake twice.

[JI7]

28. the President understands where this country is when it comes to Racism , just saying

black and brown men get stopped by cops for being black/brown got him in trouble by certain types.

it's the same reason hillary might make a pantsuit joke about herself but it's not the same as when certain others do it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. That made me laugh ...

both the question and your answer.

[Boom Sound 416]

33. So it's like

They're all crazy except me and those who agree with me.

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. No ... not at all. eom.

[JaneyVee]

18. I thought it was obvious in the OP I was referring to DU.

We all get why non-anonymous people can't interject. Thanks for playing though.

[pintobean]

35. So, in real life, you say wait for the evidence,

but there's something wrong with anonymous DUers doing that?

[Nye Bevan]

38. Apparently if you're anonymous you have to say that Wilson was undoubtedly a murderous racist

who stalked Brown and assassinated him in cold blood. The only uncertainty that is permitted is whether his hands were up in surrender or if he was kneeling, begging for mercy.

But if you are not anonymous it's OK to wait for more witnesses and evidence and to believe in due process.

[pintobean]

41. It's flattering that

they pretend to be like us in real life. But, it's really disturbing at the same time.




But, we're the trolls.

[R B Garr]

105. Since when is the Good Ol' Boy network due process?

All the "facts" can never be known since the other party is dead and cannot give his side of the story.

[Enrique]

7. no non-anonymous person holds your position

including Benjamin Crump, the Brown family's attorney.

Everyone who has to stand by their words recognizes the need for a trial.

[JaneyVee]

15. I agree. It was for the DU crowd.

[n2doc]

8. "Waiting for Evidence" = "Shut up and stop being outraged"

And of course the BS hearsay "un-named sources" "Evidence" keeps getting catapulted out there to confuse and distract. A new piece of "evidence" every day, it seems. The basic evidence is already out there and would be enough to indict in a fair system.

[pipoman]

9. I'm waiting to see if anyone who has a clue about police training

Comes out and explains the whys and hows to those who haven't a clue.

[Boom Sound 416]

17. I've been waiting since June 2013 for the same

[Vattel]

10. If Brown attacked the officer, tried to grab his gun, hit him in the face and broke bones,

and then charged the officer yelling "Die Motherfucker!!!", then the officer cannot be blamed too much for shooting him dead in self-defense. But that is not the way it went down. I may not have all the facts, but what I know so far makes it reasonable to bet on the cop's having murdered Brown.

[madville]

11. I know for an absolute fact

I know for an absolute fact that I wasn't there and have no idea what truly happened. Several scenarios are possible at this point, some more plausible than others.

I'd like to think that way of thinking would make me a good jury member at some point, because I prefer to withhold judgement until everything is presented and make a decision at that point.

[uncle ray]

42. you might then be surprised to be a juror.

because everything is not presented to the jurors to review, and the evidence that is presented is likely to be slanted to guarantee a desired outcome. when i served, i was slightly shocked that we were instructed to ignore glaring inconsistencies, such as incorrect date stamps on videos relating to the crime, evidence bags showing signs of possible tampering, etc.

[L0oniX]

76. So you're waiting for proof that 2 of the 6 holes were really in Browns head? Those ARE kill shots.

The pig had time to aim for his head to make sure he was killed.

[madville]

81. The shot placement is fact at this point

The exact circumstances such as the trajectories and distances of those shots have yet to be determined and/or released in the official reports or presented in court by experts.

There are tons of theories bouncing around but I certainly can't say for certain which one is correct. I admit I have no idea what happened there and am not endorsing any one theory over another at this point.

[L0oniX]

83. Do you doubt there is a suspect too?

[madville]

93. If the DA or Grand Jury determine a crime has been committed

Obviously the officer will be the one who is charged. It's a fact that the officer shot Mike Brown, whether or not it will be ruled justifiable or a crime has yet to be officially determined.

[L0oniX]

94. You know that if it were anyone else they would be spending at least 24 hours in jail.

[madville]

99. Correct

They rarely ever immediately toss a police officer in jail after an officer involved shooting incident. Most don't get this level of scrutiny either.

It's not realistic in this scenario for him to be arrested before the investigations are complete or the grand jury indicts him. The unfortunate reality is there are different rules and processes for different groups and classes of people as we are seeing exhibited here.

[LanternWaste]

114. As my own decision will have no affectations on the actual jury proceedings

As my own decision will have no affectations on the actual jury proceedings, and as my opinions will not change this incident nor its consequences in any real way, I see zero problem with informal discussion, idle speculation and benign opinions... the same discussions, speculations and opinions we have on those national and international concerns and crises that we all of us discuss, despite not having absolute knowledge of all relevant information.

[Logical]

12. If he was running away I 100% agree with you! nt

[Boom Sound 416]

14. Your premise is off

It's not a wait to justify.

It's a wait to learn. Why is knowing happen so controversial especially with a crowd that prides itself on being educated.

I can't understand it.

[JaneyVee]

23. Ok, but we've heard both sides.

Unless the police are planning on changing their story.

[Boom Sound 416]

24. Hardly

Like belly laughing hardly.

[HooptieWagon]

101. Again.

The pigs are changing their story more often than their underwear.

[Enrique]

16. here is a good answer:

Benjamin Crump, in a Fox News interview:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2014/08/20/michael-brown-family-attorney-kin-doesnt-want-his-death-swept-under-rug

(...)

But what you really need is to have all of the witness statements, all of the gunshot residue evidence, everything, so we can look at it very objectively and say, it is likely what the witnesses said happened or is it likely what the police officers said happened? And that's what we hope to get to. But if it's a grand jury proceeding that's closed, nobody in the community gets to hear that. And I think that's a problem for this community.

(...)

[JaneyVee]

21. See post 15.

[pintobean]

25. He's describing what will happen in the grand jury

In other words, he wants all evidence released so we can have a media trial.

[BaggersRDumb]

29. If this was a Black Officer gunning down a rich white kid in Beverly Hills, well

there would be no waiting for nuthin...

[AngryAmish]

32. Reggie Hammond agrees.

BTW, does anyone name their kid Reginald anymore? Cause Reggie is an awesome nickname.

[L0oniX]

95. Stop making sense ...you are spoiling the troll party.

[Glassunion]

36. Then why bother having a trial? Why don't we just lynch the officer?

You seem to me to have already made up your mind.

[Solomon]

43. There you go again with this bullshit. First of all, you are severely disrespecting everyone who h

really lynched. The only thing people are demanding at this point is that he be arrested. No one is arguing that he shouldn't have his day in court. He will get a trial. He will have the right to explain himself should he choose to do so. And h Will have th opportunity to do so with all of the white privileges attendant thereto. A considerable advantage. So shut the he'll up about lynching the white cop.

[nomorenomore08]

50. +1000

I agree. It's freaking ridiculous.

[ColesCountyDem]

51. If he hasn't committed a crime, why should he be arrested?

That's why we should wait for the interviews to be concluded, forensic testing be completed, etc. .

[gollygee]

53. Huh?

Everyone is presumed innocent - you don't find out somone is guilty BEFORE you arrest them. That's what a trial is for. If there is strong reason to believe someone committed a crime, that person is usually arrested. If Michael Brown killed someone, you know he'd be in jail while it was investigated.

[ColesCountyDem]

57. That wasn't what I asked.

I asked why he should be arrested, if he hasn't committed a crime? Do you know, to a legal certainty, that probable cause exist t-o-d-a-y to arrest him?

[gollygee]

62. I heard four eye witnesses very soon after the event

have the same story of what happened, and that story and four independent eye witnesses sharing it would land any black man in jail.

[ColesCountyDem]

64. I heard them, too.

I've heard a lot of things, many of them contradictory. As an former public defender, nothing that I've 'heard so far would survive a preliminary hearing.

[gollygee]

65. Would any of them lead to an arrest warrant

if the suspect were black? We aren't talking about a prelim.

[ColesCountyDem]

67. Why should he face a preliminary, much less arrest?

You can stop with the racial questions, because I'm not biting. "Because they would do it to a black man" does not make it the proper thing to do.

[gollygee]

68. If you want to know why people are upset

that's why. Darren Wilson is being treated differently than he would be treated if he were black.

[ColesCountyDem]

69. I know that.

I've never defended the way race is used against defendants in this country. My point is that it's wrong to arrest someone without probable cause, period, regardless of race, etc. .

[Ed Suspicious]

103. A dead teen taken down by 6 bullets with four eyewitnesses describing a miscarriage of justice

makes not for probable cause?

I must not get it. How long do they typically take to build a case in a homicide?

[ColesCountyDem]

109. The length of time can vary widely. n/t

[Solomon]

111. Oh no you didnt! There is no way in hell you were a public defender and saying there is no probable

cause for arrest in this case. No fucking way no how! Just stop with the bullshit. There are eyewitnesses who saw the crime. More than sufficient for probable cause. You can argue all you want, but I will not sit here and see you defame public defenders by claiming that you were a public defender. It impossible to have been a criminal defense attorney and not see the mountain of probable cause here. No fucking way.

[ColesCountyDem]

112. Prove probable cause.

I'm not defaming anyone, so spare the world your faux outrage.

[L0oniX]

79. Because he is a murder "suspect"!

[ColesCountyDem]

80. Says who?

There was definitely a homicide. What type of homicide remains open to debate, pending the review of witness' statements, video evidence, forensic testing, etc. .

[L0oniX]

82. OFFS ...do you not believe there are 6 holes in Brown ...2 head shots?

You know that anyone and everyone else would at least be arrested as a suspect.

[ColesCountyDem]

85. Don't presume to tell me what I do and do not know, thank you very much.

Just because they do the wrong thing to a minority suspect doesn't mean that doing the same thing to a white suspect suddenly makes it right.

[L0oniX]

88. Oh ...now a jay walker is "suspect" ...whatever ...have a nice day.

[ColesCountyDem]

92. I didn't say that, and you know very well I didn't.

I said 'a minority suspect', and in the context of what I wrote, I was clearly referring to minority suspects in general.

[Glassunion]

60. What do you mean there I go again?

Please outline my other posts on the subject. I'm interested to see where I have posted such before.

No, the only thing people are posting is not that he be arrested. I have seen OPs stating that he is a murderer.

Personally my biggest fear is that he will not be prosecuted at all. That an "internal" department investigation has found "no wrong doing" on the officer's part.

[wandy]

37. The longer any evidence is withheld the more time there is for........

the RW echo chamber to set the narrative. By now we all know the close friend(s) including Josie's story and the drugs and the injuries from the high level anonymous source(s) passed from a RW blog(s) then picked up by corporate media.
If ever a police report is put forth any truth has already been lost in a sea of RW spin.

I can't say this is the result the city wants.
I can say that I have seen this movie before. Shot on location in Florida.

[maced666]

40. You seem to know a lot for person that wasn't there.

We should assign you as a remote not there crime detective/judge/jury/executioner - save millions on courts and wait times?!

BTW you have over a dozen eye witnesses claim the officer fired fatal shot as victim rushed him a second time - not running away.
(What - you didn't know this)? So, without vetting those people, who may all be wrong or frauds btw - by not vetting them pre-arrest you give the officer an out AFTER a potential trial for suppressing evidence - great move.

A potential teen killing cop, set free.

And why? What was it...oh - 'wait for evidence' no......

Relax.
If you aren't afraid of evidence or truth, then you have nothing to worry about.

[BuelahWitch]

44. What "eye witnesses" said Mike Brown "rushed" the cop?

That BS came from the cop's wife's friend "Josie" who called into a radio show last week. She was NOT an eyewitness. Who are these "dozen" who corroborate her story?

[pnwmom]

45. Link to those dozen witnesses please. I can't prove a negative, but you should be able to prove this

[gollygee]

55. What dozen eye witnesses are those?

Oh wait, OVER a dozen. So at least 13. Let's hear their names. Who are they?

[nomorenomore08]

56. So he kept charging *after* being shot several times? Was he a Terminator?

[1monster]

61. Eye Witness account who didn't know Michael Brown and not a resident of

the neighborhood. She's very credible and her story matches Michael's friend.

Now, where are your links to the dozens who say Michael charged the LEO?

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word-with-lawrence-odonnell/watch/eyewitness-to-brown-shooting-tells-her-story-318326851993

[jeff47]

66. Btw, the "dozen eye witnesses" claim was retracted.

It was made by a reporter on FMLA leave. Her paper made her mention that she was on leave, and the reporting was not up to their editorial standards.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/editors-desk/reporter-clarifies-controversial-twitter-post/article_650de303-dffa-5395-b616-649afadd96cb.html

Nice job catapulting the propaganda though.

[Squinch]

84. Ah, using the "pull stuff out of your ass and then run away" gambit, are you? Always impressive.

"What - you didn't know this?" Um, well, there is a reason people didn't know this. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DISPROVED. What - you didn't know that?

[blackspade]

46. Excellent questions.

Waiting with bated breath for the 'answers'

[cheyanne]

47. There is a difference between "justified" and evidence in a court of law.

No evidence will make what Wilson did right, but it will make a difference in what the punishment is for what he did.

As we all know from past experiences (Trayvon), the law has very narrow definitions of murder, manslaughter, etc. that has to be met. And it's crushing when we expect the court to do something it can't: convict on what we believe as opposed to what is proven in court.

At The Volokh Conspiracy you can see a clear explanation of the differences between the charges and the evidence that will be debated in court.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/08/20/what-state-charges-could-be-filed-in-the-michael-brown-shooting/

Here's an example:
"The most serious homicide charge is first-degree murder. Under Missouri law “[a] person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter.” This charge seems quite improbable, even accepting the version of the facts most favorable to Brown’s supporters, because it would be difficult to show that the officer deliberated before killing Brown.

This leads, then, to second-degree murder which, as relevant here, applies where a person “knowingly causes the death of another person . . . .” To act “knowingly” means to act in a way that producing a result (here, death) is almost certain. So the officer seems to have knowingly shot and killed Brown. Would this automatically be second-degree murder?"

[pintobean]

52. I would suggest that you

wait for all the evidence.

[Rex]

86. Jury is out on that one.

On Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:26 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

evidence
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5420457

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rediculous racist troll.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:33 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: And I am sick and tired of you racist trolls. Hide.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I vote to leave it, because our posters are more than capable of dealing with this crap (and to think, I was just saying I had not seen people on this board defending the cops). going to get a really strong drink now.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: You can support public employees without that language.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Is this a joke? HELLO MIRT!
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I would get some satisfaction from hiding this, because I strongly disagree with it...but that is not enough...I don't hide for opinions that follow the rules.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

I have no idea why two people decided not to hide it. Maybe they can explain.

[pintobean]

90. Gee, who could have seen that coming?

I didn't alert, but I knew someone would and that it would likely be hidden.

[nomorenomore08]

96. Thank you for saying that. Seriously. n/t

[logosoco]

54. When was the last time you were told by a police officer to "get the fuck out of the road"

when you were doing something as benign as walking on a suburban road in a small town?

Is that what public safety employees are supposed to be doing?

[nomorenomore08]

59. Why are you so sure he attacked Wilson?

Couldn't have anything to do with your own assumptions and stereotypes, could it?

[mythology]

63. What evidence would make you think that it wasn't the action of a trigger happy cop?

But as for what evidence would convince me? Better bullet trajectory evidence to indicate how far away Wilson was from Brown. Evidence that Brown didn't attack the cop. We've seen that Brown is willing to get physical to get his way, unlike the initial claims that he was a gentle giant. More information about the forensic evidence such as were there finger prints from Brown within the car, or on the gun.

I've read too many people who run around screaming and utterly misrepresenting the evidence to proclaim that there's no way anybody can possibly think that Wilson didn't illegally kill Brown that it makes me inherently suspicious. So many people here leaped on the partial autopsy to prove this, but obviously didn't actually read the autopsy as it was inconclusive per the medical examiner. My favorite were the people who when the autopsy's inconclusive results were cited, chose to instead of quoting the medical examiner, quoted the lawyer.

But you don't want to hear that. You've already convicted the guy. Our system holds that unless there is proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, you can't convict somebody. I haven't seen anything that approaches beyond a reasonable doubt which means I will wait for more evidence. And if you don't like that? Fine. If people want to descend into calling me a troll or a racist, fine. All it says is that the people who do that are intellectual cowards who have to hide behind that because they can't discuss things like adults.

[Squinch]

87. What evidence? A live 18 year old. Without 6 bullet wounds. That's SIX.

[L0oniX]

97. 2 direct ...intentional kill ...head shots.

Pigs are trained to shoot the largest target ...and that ain't the head. I am amazed that people don't believe there is enough evidence to at least arrest the suspect.

[AnalystInParadise]

70. I am waiting for all the evidence

because not waiting for all the evidence is how bad decisions are made. I would hope that most people would want a full investigation before any indictments are handed out. It strikes me as strange that some here are arguing that the due process rights of the cop should be taken away. The state has a responsibility to get it exactly right before their indict anyone.

[GitRDun]

71. From my perspective

If the physical evidence supports the four eyewitnesses who said he was surrendering, then you have probable cause that a crime was committed.

Sort the rest of the crap out at trial.

I don't think it's that complicated.

[Chisox08]

72. The 'wait for evidence' = wait for Michael Brown's corpse to be convicted

The eye witnesses are basically telling the same story, Brown ran away he was shot at he turned and tried to surrender and he was executed like a dog in the middle of the street. Hell a dog might have a better chance at justice than Michael Brown.

[AnalystInParadise]

74. The facts do not agree

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

But hey make up whatever B.S. helps you sleep at night.

[Chisox08]

78. What part of shot at didn't you understand.

Also the wounds on his arms could have happened from behind or facing forwards with his arms in the air, in the universal sign of surrender. Keep on believing the B.S. spouted by that murderous cop and "Josie".

[L0oniX]

91. The 2 head shots are "intentional" kill shots.

Pigs are not trained to do head shots because torso mass is a larger more certain target ...so I call those head shots proof of murder.

[Chisox08]

100. That was all of the evidence I needed.

That cop intended to kill Brown, no, if and or maybe's. If there was any evidence that shows that Brown was a threat to that cop or anyone around him it would be all over the place. I don't believe the eye injury store based off of video of him standing around Brown's body in obvious pain, no pictures of the injury, no medical attention was given to him at the scene and he drove off with the SUV. I have head injuries and there is no way in hell I would be able to drive right after one.

[AnalystInParadise]

98. What part of ongoing investigation do you not understand?

If he is indicted after the investigation, I will be ecstatic. BUT until then he is innocent. Sorry I believe in the american justice system and you do not.

as for the other person, referencing all cops as pigs just demonstrates what an un-serious person you really are.

[Chisox08]

102. Where in post did I refer to him as a pig?

The witness statements as well as the autopsy report shows that Brown was running away and then attempted to surrender, before he was executed.

[AnalystInParadise]

104. The person after you

called them pigs.

And witness statements are not a full investigation. And the autopsy doesn't say he was running away. An autopsy cannot state what a shooting victim was doing.

[Kablooie]

77. To "wait for the evidence" means you assume the police were justified in the killing.

That is jumping to a conclusion just as much as anyone else.
The evidence currently points to the police committing murder.
Unless new, unarguable evidence emerges that absolves the police of a crime I will accept the evidence we have now.

[L0oniX]

89. The rule is if you are a pig suspect you don't get arrested but if you are not a pig ...then ...well

you know.

[840high]

106. It doesn't mean that

at all. I thought OJ was innocent - wish I had waited to make up my mind.

[TorchTheWitch]

107. first of all, he didn't run away from gunfire

That's why there aren't any bullet entry wounds in his back. See, that right there is why we wait for an investigation to find out the FACTS in ANY case. For days immediately after the incident people here were absolutely certain that this officer shot Brown because he's white or because he is a cop or whatever strikes the agenda other than wondering what actually happened and whether or not the shooting was justified.

Nobody here despite the bias and caterwauling want a mob rule justice system. Before one can reasonably decide whether or not the shooting was justifiable is to first find out what the fuck happened, and the only way to find that out is from a proper expert investigation.

The question shouldn't be "why do some people want to wait for an investigation" but "why do some people NOT want to wait for an investigation" because without first finding out from an investigation what happened the only way to decide whether or not the shooting was justifiable is based on pure bias and mob rule that throws even the idea of justice straight out the window.

What a fucking disgrace what has been said here for over a week about this incident. And notice that as some facts start to come out less and less is being said at all about this case here because what is coming out is contrary to what was immediately believed WITHOUT facts as to what occurred.

[840high]

113. That took courage to post. Thanks.

[U4ikLefty]

108. Some are still "waiting for evidence" in the Trayvon Martin killing.

They are waiting, but not for evidence.

[Sparhawk60]

110. I Believe

I believe that if Michael Brown attacked the officer, causing serious injuries and then charged the officer to complete the beat down, then the killing was justified.

And all the police had to do is provide evidence of the injuries the officer has. They COULD have provided the evidence (photos, initial Dr reports) with in the hour of the shooting……but they did not, and still have not. Why?