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applegrove

(118,666 posts)
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 05:58 PM Aug 2014

A police officer from St. Ann, Missouri, has been relieved of duty and suspended indefinitely after

CNN Breaking News Email:

"A police officer from St. Ann, Missouri, has been relieved of duty and suspended indefinitely after pointing an assault rifle at a peaceful protester in Ferguson, the St. Louis County Police Department said in a statement.

Ferguson has been the site of protests and turmoil since the August 9 shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Ferguson police named Officer Darren Wilson as the person who shot Brown."

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A police officer from St. Ann, Missouri, has been relieved of duty and suspended indefinitely after (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2014 OP
rec bigtree Aug 2014 #1
The "union" will keep him employed. nt Logical Aug 2014 #10
Care to clarify quotations? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #30
Yes, police unions defend and protect corrupt cops. Thanks for asking! n-t Logical Aug 2014 #31
No problem. Thanks for posting Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #32
One down...how many hundreds to go? joeybee12 Aug 2014 #2
Saw video of that prick, needs to be fired of course, but will he? BaggersRDumb Aug 2014 #3
He will get a paid vacation and nothing else. nt Logical Aug 2014 #11
IMO, he should have been fired that night. There was absolutely no excuse for his behavior, none. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #39
CNN just showed the video for the third time today. nt pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #4
suspended indefinitely???!!! SummerSnow Aug 2014 #5
This is the "I will fucking kill you" cop procon Aug 2014 #6
Usually it is another way of being fired when a police officer Malraiders Aug 2014 #7
And that allows him to keep his Missouri police license and get hired by another municipality. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #17
"St. Louis County Police Department said in a statement. " 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #8
He's probably a county cop pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #13
From St. Ann. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #16
This HuffPo article Answers my question :) 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #18
St. Ann Police Chief is now making up excuses (Geez they were on the right path for awhile) 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #24
Thanks for the correction and updates pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #26
Waht about pointing an Automatic Rifle in their face? Tommymac Aug 2014 #28
counsel him to not say fuck? wtf? uppityperson Aug 2014 #37
It's a start...nt City Lights Aug 2014 #9
He'll undergo a psychological evaluation and sensitivity training. pintobean Aug 2014 #12
Which indicates that they plan to eventually have him back on the force and tblue37 Aug 2014 #15
He won't be back in Ferguson. pintobean Aug 2014 #19
OH MY GOD! ...I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #20
Slap on the wrist and Kiss on the cheek. Tommymac Aug 2014 #29
That excerpt suggests that the CNN article is downplaying the cop's behavior. tblue37 Aug 2014 #14
Golf claps. n/t gldstwmn Aug 2014 #21
Code of Ethics cleduc Aug 2014 #22
That's beautiful. applegrove Aug 2014 #23
The FPD did something right after one of its own did something very Wrong! Cha Aug 2014 #25
It was St Ann's Police Department and Tommymac Aug 2014 #33
Thanks for the clarification, Tommymac.. my bad. :( Cha Aug 2014 #35
And Here's Another Thought cer7711 Aug 2014 #27
That fucker looked demented. RagAss Aug 2014 #34
Just one? Duer 157099 Aug 2014 #36
he needs to be charged with assult w/ a weapon for each person littlewolf Aug 2014 #38
 

BaggersRDumb

(186 posts)
3. Saw video of that prick, needs to be fired of course, but will he?
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:07 PM
Aug 2014

And after we fire 90% of all cops in America who are like him, we will be at a good start

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
39. IMO, he should have been fired that night. There was absolutely no excuse for his behavior, none.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 10:45 AM
Aug 2014

When the hubbub dies down he will be back on duty & his behavior validated, at least in his mind, cuz there were no consequences.

Is suspension with pay typical? Does it go on the record? These guys break all the rules & get a slap on the wrist - time off with pay & a note in your file. Big whoop.

on edit: I see below he was suspended without pay. I wonder who makes that decision & why some get pay & others don't. ???

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
5. suspended indefinitely???!!!
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:12 PM
Aug 2014

so terrorist threats are legal now?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Missouri Revised Statutes August 28, 2013

Chapter 574
Offenses Against Public Order
Section 574.115

574.115. 1. A person commits the crime of making a terrorist threat if such person communicates a threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life, communicates a knowingly false report of an incident or condition involving danger to life, or knowingly causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that a condition exists involving danger to life:

(1) With the purpose of frightening ten or more people;

(2) With the purpose of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation; or

(3) With reckless disregard of the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation; or

(4) With criminal negligence with regard to the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation.

2. Making a terrorist threat is a class C felony unless committed under subdivision (3) of subsection 1 of this section in which case it is a class D felony or unless committed under subdivision (4) of subsection 1 of this section in which case it is a class A misdemeanor.

3. For the purpose of this section, "threat" includes an express or implied threat.

4. A person who acts in good faith with the purpose to prevent harm does not commit a crime pursuant to this section.

Malraiders

(444 posts)
7. Usually it is another way of being fired when a police officer
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:18 PM
Aug 2014

is suspended indefinitely. But it is so the police officer does not actually have his record show that he was fired/terminated.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
8. "St. Louis County Police Department said in a statement. "
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:23 PM
Aug 2014

Why would they be giving a statement on the status of a St. Ann police officer?

Just a bit skeptical here.

I hope they don't mean he's been relieved of duty and suspended in Ferguson but is free to continue working in his home area of St Ann which is a different municipality.

Cops lie too damn much to take them at their word.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
13. He's probably a county cop
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:31 PM
Aug 2014

His uniform patch looks like St. Louis County PD, and it was the chief of that department who suspended him.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
18. This HuffPo article Answers my question :)
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:40 PM
Aug 2014


And looks Saint Ann Police was very open and honest about the situation and the reason for his suspension which is a surprise

From the Huffington Post:



Now they need to charge him with making criminal threats with a gun.

_______

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
24. St. Ann Police Chief is now making up excuses (Geez they were on the right path for awhile)
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:31 PM
Aug 2014


Source https://twitter.com/CaseyNolen/status/502234229082947585/

Nothing to see here, he was just using his rifle to "scan the area" and as for his threats to kill a reporter?

Well that was just a "poor choice of words".

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
28. Waht about pointing an Automatic Rifle in their face?
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:41 PM
Aug 2014

No mention of that...this makes it sound like it was just a verbal altercation.

I guess if they admitted to the gun thing they would have to arrest him.


It's systemic - police cannot help lying to cover up for their sadistic twisted brothers in blue. At whatever cost. Until this behavior stops there is no such thing as a good policeman. Period.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
12. He'll undergo a psychological evaluation and sensitivity training.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:31 PM
Aug 2014
In a phone interview, Jimenez said Albers' had been suspended without pay and would undergo a psychological evaluation and sensitivity training.


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/st-ann-officer-removed-after-pointing-gun-threatening-ferguson-protesters/article_3854ed72-a14c-5b8e-b32f-ddb35de94803.html

tblue37

(65,377 posts)
15. Which indicates that they plan to eventually have him back on the force and
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:35 PM
Aug 2014

out there hassling and abusing citizens.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
29. Slap on the wrist and Kiss on the cheek.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:48 PM
Aug 2014

This is fucking wrong.

Until the good ethical (mythical?) police:

1)step up and call out their sadistic twisted racist misogynist fascist brothers in blue and

2)hold them accountable and have them prosecuted

There are no good police officers.

tblue37

(65,377 posts)
14. That excerpt suggests that the CNN article is downplaying the cop's behavior.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:34 PM
Aug 2014

He didn't just point his weapon at the protesters. He also shouted, "I will f***ing kill you!" and when the protester asked for his name, the cop screamed, "F*** off!"

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
22. Code of Ethics
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:13 PM
Aug 2014

I've been trying for a couple of days to get a copy of the code of ethics for Ferguson or St Louis county. Website links won't respond. Maybe under the circumstances, that's symbolic.

Here's one for Concoria, Missouri
http://concordiamo.com/?q=site-page/police-code-ethics

As a law enforcement officer, my fundamental duty is to serve the community; to safeguard lives and property; to protect the innocent against deception, the weak against oppression or intimidation, and the peaceful against violence or disorder; and to respect the constitutional rights of all to liberty, equality and justice.

I will keep my private life unsullied as an example to all and will behave in a manner that does not bring discredit to me or my agency. I will maintain courageous calm in the face of danger, scorn, or ridicule; develop self-restraint; and be constantly mindful of the welfare of others. Honest in thought and deed in both my personal and official life, I will be exemplary in obeying the law and the regulations of my department. Whatever I see or hear of a confidential nature or that is confided to me in my official capacity will be kept ever secret, unless revelation is necessary in the performance of my duty.

I will never act officiously or permit personal feelings, prejudices, political beliefs, aspirations, animosities or friendships to influence my decisions. With no compromise for crime and the relentless prosecution of criminals, I will enforce the law courteously and appropriately without fear or favor, malice or ill will, never employing unnecessary force or violence and never accepting gratuities.

I recognize the badge of my office as a symbol of public faith, and I accept it as a public trust to be held so long as I am true to the ethics of the police service. I will never engage in acts of corruption of bribery, nor will I condone such acts by other police officers. I will cooperate with all legally authorized agencies and their representatives in the pursuit of justice.

I know that I alone am responsible for my own standard of professional performance and will take every reasonable opportunity to enhance and improve my level of knowledge and competence.

I will constantly strive to achieve these objectives and ideals, dedicating myself before God to my chosen profession . . .


In light of Mike Brown, Henry Davis, the massive number of warrants issued against blacks in Ferguson, media arrests and even this guy pointing his gun "I will f'in kill you", I thought reviewing the standards of behavior these officers are sworn to deliver and bolding a few phrases for emphasis might be of interest.

Cha

(297,257 posts)
25. The FPD did something right after one of its own did something very Wrong!
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:32 PM
Aug 2014
thank you apple~

Michael Brown

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
33. It was St Ann's Police Department and
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:55 PM
Aug 2014

and turns out it will be a slap on the wrist - see post #12 above.

The St. Ann's chief didn't even mention the officer pointed a gun at a civilian in his statement only that the gun was pointed prior to the altercation....made it out to be a verbal altercation that he was being suspended for and being sent to Sensitivity Training.

F' it - I work for a regular business and we go to 'sensitivity training' on an annual basis....

PR move only. Very disheartening...again.

Seems the rot permeates all through the St Louis area LE agencies.

cer7711

(502 posts)
27. And Here's Another Thought
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:32 PM
Aug 2014

If this is how Officer "I will fucking kill you," behaves under color of authority while being filmed, how do you think he acts behind closed doors at home?

Thought experiment: Assuming he has them, how do you imagine he treats his wife and children?

Yeah. Exactly what I thought.

Thus, the cycle of violence continues.

PS. Wonder how his father treated him . . .

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