'We got involved in Afghanistan probably helped create,indirectly,ideas that led to 9/11-That’s life

[J_J_]

Did Bill Kristol really just say this?

Because I thought they 'hate us cause of our freedum'

And if this is the case, as they are also suggesting we created ISIS with our interference in Iraq and Syria...

HOW THE FUCK can they possibly suggest any future 'help' for the middle east or anywhere really?

AT the same time, millions are starving, unemployed in this country....and the warmongers call them takers while they want to 'help' the poor Iraqis.

We need to hold some bastards accountable because sociopaths do not stop themselves, they only grow stronger when enabled.

[pauldp]

1. Well said.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

[KansDem]

2. But I thought we were there to spread democracy and to catapult propaganda!

Or something like that.

We need to hold some bastards accountable because sociopaths do not stop themselves, they only grow stronger when enabled.

You mean?--



You'll get no argument out of me!

[J_J_]

5. those are the bastards!

[Exposethefrauds]

8. Yet POTUS O let's em go free. War criminal are free in America and the POTUS Protects em

Presidents who do not prosecute known war criminals are just as guilty as the war criminals themselves.

[PDJane]

3. Kristol said something that might be correct? Hallelujah!!!

In the forty or so years that I have been roughly keeping track of the man, that's a first.

[jakeXT]

4. What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war." Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war that was unsustainable for the regime , a conflict that bought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B : What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview

[gratuitous]

6. Ah well, it's all in the past now <shrug>

Sure, a lot of people got killed, some were tortured, war crimes occurred, but whaddyagonnado? We can go back and forth all day long, discussing who tortured who, who's national sovereignty was violated, and who got a buttload of money for running the whole scam, but the truth of the matter is the neocons are damn mad, too, so let's just agree that everybody made mistakes and blame those dirty fucking hippies, mmmkay?

Now, instead of looking backwards to the past, let's all look forward to the future, and figure out how we're going to deal with those barbarians in ISIS, because they need some serious killing, those barbarians. Holding hostages and stuff. Barbarians! And before you ask, Nosey Rosie, Guantanamo is different.

[Exposethefrauds]

7. 1953 the USA and GB overthrow the democratically elected prime minister of Iran

Mohammad Mosaddegh

It was about oil always about oil still is today.

The USA and UK has been fucking around the ME for over 50 years now and every time it does not turn out the way the 1% think it will. Every fucking time

Want to stop terrorism stop creating terrorists by overthrowing and meddling in other countries business. Get the f out of countries we do not belong in.

Until we get out and stop messing with other countries we will deservedly be attacked by terrorists.

[jwirr]

9. What involvement was he talking about. We did not go to war in Afghanistan until AFTER 9/11.

[CJCRANE]

10. Operation Cyclone:

The project to arm and finance the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, started in 1979 under Carter by Zbigniew Brzezinski.

"Critics assert that funding the mujahideen played a role in causing the September 11 attacks".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

[jwirr]

12. Okay that makes sense.

[Octafish]

11. Money trumps peace.

Kristol serves a higher power, money.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x840614

PS: A hearty welcome to DU, J_J_!

[J_J_]

13. Thanks!