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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 04:55 PM Aug 2014

James Foley Was Among 1 of 4 Prisoners Who Were Waterboarded By ISIS (Using CIA Techniques)

At least four hostages held in Syria by the Islamic State, including an American journalist who was recently executed by the group, were waterboarded in the early part of their captivity, according to people familiar with the treatment of the kidnapped Westerners.

James Foley was among the four who were waterboarded several times by Islamic State militants who appeared to model the technique on the CIA’s use of waterboarding to interrogate suspected terrorists after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/captives-held-by-islamic-state-were-waterboarded/2014/08/28/2b4e1962-2ec9-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html

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James Foley Was Among 1 of 4 Prisoners Who Were Waterboarded By ISIS (Using CIA Techniques) (Original Post) kpete Aug 2014 OP
Wow...well, uhhh...gonna kinda be hard for us to bitch about this, huh? ret5hd Aug 2014 #1
So they're using American equipment LuvNewcastle Aug 2014 #2
Maybe they're just fans of GTA V? Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #3
Cheney is their poster boy. SummerSnow Aug 2014 #5
Thanks to Cheney and the Republicans! BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #4
So, you are calling for a war to exterminate ISIS? BillZBubb Aug 2014 #7
No. And nowhere in my post is that evident. eom BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #9
You wrote: When will Europe side with America and join forces to completely destroy ISIS? BillZBubb Aug 2014 #11
Yes, you misunderstood. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #13
It seems ISIS sprang from an earlier effort to completely destroy a group gratuitous Aug 2014 #8
It takes money, *lots* of money, to keep a war ongoing. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #12
What would you do to stop ISIS? BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #14
You're part way there gratuitous Aug 2014 #18
Excellent ideas - all of them. And it helps everyone. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #19
I have never wanted a transporter beam more than now. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #15
Aw, man, if only! BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #16
Well at least they didn't torture the poor guy... BillZBubb Aug 2014 #6
USA! USA! We are leaders the world over!!! joeybee12 Aug 2014 #10
Hey dick madokie Aug 2014 #17

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
2. So they're using American equipment
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:12 PM
Aug 2014

and interrogation techniques. Who knows what we might find if we go far enough down that rabbit hole. Red pill or blue?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
4. Thanks to Cheney and the Republicans!
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:21 PM
Aug 2014
James Foley was among the four who were waterboarded several times by Islamic State militants who appeared to model the technique on the CIA’s use of waterboarding to interrogate suspected terrorists after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.


My god, that poor man had been horribly tortured for two years by these radical-Muslims and scum of the Earth. When will Europe side with America and join forces to completely destroy ISIS?? Paying ransom to get their people out only encourages these monsters while at the same time, funds their insane war against all non-Muslims.

America, as powerful and as great as she is, can't do it alone. Europe must side with us or this will never end.

Jeezus. And to read firsthand, that innocent Americans are still paying for the horrific mistakes of the Bush Admin while all those ex-Bushies are livin' it up and livin' it large as multimillionaires and billionaires thanks to their warmongering is beyond infuriating.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
11. You wrote: When will Europe side with America and join forces to completely destroy ISIS?
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:43 PM
Aug 2014

Perhaps I misunderstood the meaning of that sentence?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
13. Yes, you misunderstood.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:09 PM
Aug 2014

The word "forces" doesn't mean military might exclusively. Or war. And the word "forces" read in context with my post, means to join resources, intelligence, stricter border patrol, closing down open allegiance demonstrations on the streets of Europe under the threat of losing one's citizenship - things America is doing now. At the moment, in some streets in Europe, European-born ISIS sympathizers are openly and publicly wailing allegiance to ISIS and chanting "death to America" because they're allowed to. No one is stopping them.

Europe, together with America's resources, intelligence, and superior strategic planning, can end this insane radical-Muslim war before it gets out of hand and before it necessitates another war we can't afford and don't want.

Wars cost a LOT of money. Europe has a lot of money, and at the moment, they're paying ISIS to the tune of millions to buy back their captured citizens thereby helping fund ISIS' war against "all non-Muslims" (their particular brand, of course). This weakens America's hand to avoid boots-on-the-ground all-out war at any and all cost. Europe must unite with America while we still have options other than war, and they can start by refusing to pay for their captured citizens and have ISIS' war chest dry out, or you can bet there's going to be another war soon.

What would you prefer we do to stop ISIS? We've tried dismissing them since last year. Look where that got us. They're not going to stop out of their own. They need to be stopped.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. It seems ISIS sprang from an earlier effort to completely destroy a group
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:38 PM
Aug 2014

Perhaps now might be a good time to change what we do in response to these crimes? The last time, declaring war on a concept, wasted a whole lot of lives and money* and didn't seem to accomplish much except to give birth to ISIS. Instead of finding out what might be behind door number 3, how about we approach this differently?

*To be fair, though, it funneled a lot of money into some overstuffed pockets, so some of the right people got rich.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
12. It takes money, *lots* of money, to keep a war ongoing.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:48 PM
Aug 2014

How about Europe unite with America and stop paying millions in ransom, just for starters? Now I've read that ISIS is demanding $6.6 million dollar ransom for a twenty-six year young American woman - a third American, although they darn well know America does not negotiate with terrorists.

In addition to the $6.6 million, ABC is reporting that they demand the release of Aafia Siddiqui, "an MIT-trained neuroscientist who was convicted by the U.S. in 2010 of trying to kill U.S. officials two years before, according to a supporter of Siddiqui who has been in contact with the hostage’s family".

If we don't get them now, they're going to be huge and powerful and it's only a matter of time before we'll potentially face another attack on our soil since ISIS has shown that they can recruit American-born members who still have their passports and American citizenship, and who can come and go as they please.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
14. What would you do to stop ISIS?
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:17 PM
Aug 2014

Dismissing them has proven not to be a winning strategy. We did that last year. They've grown stronger and meaner and they're now capturing American hostages and demanding millions for their release. They need money to fund their war and the pay-outs that they've already received from Europe are helping them do just that.

I don't know anymore what to do other than have Europe join America and work as a united front against them. It will cost the lives of the captured, American and European, but I guess it's a "small" price to pay in order to save hundreds of thousands of innocent lives who would undoubtedly die in an all-out war - although I wouldn't want to be in any position to make that choice.

But, what alternatives do you think we still have? I'm asking seriously, no snark.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
18. You're part way there
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:44 PM
Aug 2014

ISIS doesn't have a lot of friends in the region; I discount a lot of the fear-mongering coming from the usual quarters that ISIS is some kind of super-predator terrorist group. They're a desperate bunch of people using the most extreme methods to advance their cause. I think they're doing it for a couple of reasons: First, the aforementioned desperation. They don't have many choices. Second, they think they can count on the United States overreacting to their brutality. We've done it before, for sure. Part of their plan is to look like martyrs dying for a noble cause, pushed to the brink by the American Empire.

A united front with Europe is a very good start. ISIS is probably not walking around the deserts of Iraq with millions of dollars hanging out of their pockets. Find out where their money is, who is providing them banking services, and explain to them (whether it's the Swiss, the Saudis or whomever) that it isn't in their best interests to do business with these people. ISIS's funding would dry up overnight if its

Yes, some people will undoubtedly die at the hands of ISIS. But that's going to happen no matter what we do. We can minimize the death and destruction by proceeding as if Iraq was a crime scene instead of a war zone. Identify and apprehend the criminals. Try them in open court. Convict them. Incarcerate them for a long time. Wasting away in a prison cell isn't quite as sexy and attractive as dying young while striking a blow against the empire.

It means the United States has to betray its own national religion, and tell the acolytes of the High Church of Redemptive Violence (paging Bill Kristol and his cohort of blood gargling psychopaths) that their day is over. It doesn't put a lot of money into the pockets of the merchants of death, it doesn't elevate reporters into the lofty realms of war correspondents, it doesn't make for exciting explosions on the teevee. But it doesn't kill thousands or millions indiscriminately, and it likely doesn't spawn a new, even more aggressive successor to ISIS.

While all this is going on, we start working in Iraq to repair some of the damage we've done. Start rebuilding their infrastructure. Send young people over there to work instead of blast people to smithereens. And when they've acquired some skills, bring them back to the U.S. to do the same thing here. Let the Iraqis take over, and take ownership of the new roads, buildings, houses, schools, water mains, and so forth. With something of their own to defend, something they built themselves (with our help), they might be more inclined to work for and hold on to a stable society. Their young people will have prospects instead of a broken country, and be less likely to turn to terrorism.

Yeah, it will take time and a sustained effort, and we're not very good at that. But we really should start practicing to get better at it.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
19. Excellent ideas - all of them. And it helps everyone.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:05 PM
Aug 2014

You're correct, of course. ISIS doesn't have all those dollars stacked in some desert hovel. That's where they're weak: they bank, just like everyone else, and that's where America and Europe should strike first.

The ideas you've listed are far more preferable and constructive than choosing the course of a destructive war. The only thing we need to do is to get Europe to unite with us, and I don't think that's a problem since they're looking for common sense and peaceful solutions to this ISIS problem, too.

I hope it will happen along those lines. I really do.

And thank you for taking the time to type up, in detail, a very common sense solution to this growing and threatening problem.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
15. I have never wanted a transporter beam more than now.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:22 PM
Aug 2014

What a delightful daydream that makes.....Cheney and the rest of the Neo Cons finding themselves beamed to the middle of an ISIS group.

Naked.

Armed only with a Bible.

And an American flag.

(see what I did there?.... )

Maybe, if for just a minute, all of us here cross our fingers and close our eyes and wish very very very hard.....

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
16. Aw, man, if only!
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:28 PM
Aug 2014

Then, just before they see these people coming toward them with stark eyes, they'll finally see, understand, and know what they've done - although I'd surmise that the last words they'll yell out would be, "Those damn LIBRULS!"

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
6. Well at least they didn't torture the poor guy...
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:34 PM
Aug 2014

after all, waterboarding is not torture according to the US of A.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
10. USA! USA! We are leaders the world over!!!
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:39 PM
Aug 2014

We do it, and others follow our example! What a great nation!

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