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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNever, will any of us eat in Burger King again!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/26/1324705/-Burger-King-expands-realm-into-nbsp-Canada
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)I can count on one hand how often I've frequented BK in the past 5 years... but I will drop it down to zilch!
merrily
(45,251 posts)On not being much of a BK customer and on dropping your frequency to zero.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)more healthy. McDonald's has always been an absolute no, and Burger King a well, possibly. ... but after this, Burger King is on an absolute no list. There are far too many other options today.
RadicalGeek
(344 posts)Refuses to set a policy urging it's callers not to bring firearms into it's stores.
I'll stick to Panera or eat local!
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)have some really serious issues going on!
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)No full time workers, 30 or less hours. No benefits. No vacation. No overtime pay for holidays. No caring for their workers. This is an awful company to work for.
RadicalGeek
(344 posts)There's always the local coffeehouse or the local farmers market
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)that get's cooked in the store is the bread and technically, it's baked! lol You'll never enjoy a meal out if you wait for that perfect company. Go ahead and enjoy your Panera guilt free. I love the salads personally.
RadicalGeek
(344 posts)I'm more of a Coffee and Muffin/Bagel person.
But I do want to try and have my purchases support my ideals. For example, I don't shop at Wal-Mart, and will continue to stay away from Subway until they get some "Gunsense"
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Subway to remove 'dough conditioner' chemical from bread.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)I'm not that into fast food.
treestar
(82,383 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)In fact, wouldn't they be higher due to a national healthcare system?
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)in Canada, about 25%. I don't have the links right now, no time to look now, but it seems that's what I've heard ... but don't quote me!
librechik
(30,674 posts)those who complain about THAT are just greedy little fascists.
Surprise! Unfettered capitalism turns into fascism, yes.
ChazII
(6,205 posts)In fact, a recent KPMG Report, Focus on Tax, ranked Canada as the #1 country with the most business-friendly tax structure among developed countries when adding up a wide range of tax costs to businesses from statutory labor costs to harmonized sales tax. When comparing developed countries to what companies pay in the U.S.; Canada came in at 53.6%, the U.K. came in at 66.6%, and the Netherlands at 74.5% of the U.S. corporate tax burden.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonhartley/2014/08/25/burger-kings-tax-inversion-and-canadas-favorable-corporate-tax-rates/
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)louis-t
(23,295 posts)from what I've read.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)US locations will still pay US taxes as well.
The difference is Canadian locations will not pay Canadian taxes and US taxes. (Also true for all international locations)
Abq_Sarah
(2,883 posts)A Canadian BK will pay Canadian taxes for the corporate HQ and they will pay American taxes for profits earned in America, Irish taxes for profits earned in Ireland, German taxes for profits earned in Germany, etc... If they are HQ'd in the USA, they pay American taxes regardless of where the profits are earned. We're one of the only countries with that system of taxation and that puts us at a disadvantage where multinational corps HQ'd in the USA are concerned. Now there are ways for corps to delay that taxation but it requires NOT bringing that money back into the USA which doesn't exactly help us.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)it is the only thing that makes sense, re Canada.
O Canada!
brush
(53,787 posts)The blatant nature of their move and denial that it's about taxes is what's so disgusting.
They'll headquarter in Canada and pay no US taxes but still use our infrastructure (roads, bridges, power grid, etc.) to make money here without contributing with tax dollars to the upkeep of said roads, bridges, power grid, etc.
Fuck BurgerKing and all the other money-extracting corporations that do this.
Whe should boycott them all.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)they would take action against these shenanigans, but rather, they have their wallets open looking for cash and paybacks for doing nothing.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)Why not?
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)I have to be in EXTREME PAIN on a rushed interstate trip to do to fast food.
It rarely happens - once in a decade, maybe.
Cardboard would probably serve the purpose.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)Which Burger King have you been going to? Burger King is the only national fast food chain that actually uses fire to cook their burgers. The room temp fries can always be replaced by talking to a cashier and the sodas if anything are too concentrated.
I know this because I they gave me my first job and are the reason why I never worked for minimum wage. This is because they paid me 60c above minimum wage when McDonalds and everybody else were paying minimum wage.
srican69
(1,426 posts)Burger King =
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Once cooked, burgers stored and then microwaved before serving. Sometimes with the buns - which is why the buns are often very hot to the touch.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)The burgers are put in a warmer box thingy after they are flame broiled not the microwave. They do put the bottom bun w/burger in the microwave when the customer wants the cheese to be melted onto the burger. Other than that, no burgers are put in the microwave.
I am more than a little sympathetic to Burger King not just because they have me my first job but because I truly believe they are a good company. They hire the vast majority of their customers from within and at the time when I worked offered a $500 tuition reimbursement for all their workers, no matter your major. Also the company is struggling financially, they filled for bankruptcy protection a few years ago and I believe they wouldn't be doing this if they were financially sound. If we lost Burger King, then McDonald's will gain an even bigger share of the market and I don't think that would be a good thing.
On one hand, I hate it the fact that the govt will lose out on tax revenue but on the other hand, the company might lose everything if they have to go through another bankruptcy.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)I won't rely on the fact one of my best friends was at one time a district manager for Burger King (and Diary Queen before) and gave me this info, I'll just refer you to an article and let DU make their own judgement. Kind of silly to be wasting time arguing this point - one that's apparently well known in the fast food industry.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166721/Burger-King-told-Charlotte-Chamberlain-eat-McDonalds-complained-food.html
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)dumbfounded by the Burger king official saying such a thing. I worked the cashier but I was trained to make burger also and I can tell you that it wasn't part of our training or practice.
I would ask that next time you go to burger king to order a burger, just stand in a position where you can see the burger being made and I doubt you will see them put anything in the microwave other than to melt the cheese. I mean the box where the patties are kept meet the health department standards for temperature for storing meat. I remember our manager doing the temperature check couple of times during our shift to make sure everything meet health standards. There is really no need to put in the microwave after getting em out from the hot storage box.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)There is no reason to doubt my friend the former district manager or the officials quoted in the article that they also microwave their burgers.
Perhaps it just wasn't YOUR experience at ONE burger king.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Maybe they've changed their policies since you were there.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)This makes little sense for 2 reasons:
One: having to put everything in the microwave slows down production line. We had just one microwave and it was quite a few steps away from the burger station and having to microwave every burger into one microwave before serving will kill drive thru time. And believe me, the drive thru time was just as important as food quality if not more, we had a meeting called when the branch doesn't meet this time.
Secondly, the hot plate kept the burgers hot enough to meet health codes, they were so hot that you could not pick it up with your bare hands. There is really no need other than melting the cheese for using the one microwave in the kitchen.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and they may have more microwaves right at the production line. I'd have no idea, since I have not myself been inside one in at least that long.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I second the microwave claim ... I saw it with my own eyes, and the server stated that it was a microwave ...
I swore that day to never return, and I have stood by my word ...
Microwave? ... Burgers? ... Burger King? ...
Yes ... Microwave burgers at Burger King ...
Besides, who would ever go to Burger King if there is a Carl's Jr nearby? ... it's a no brainer ...
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Three of the names for the "Appliance which shall not be named" in the upscale places ( for here ) where I worked:
Bamboo Steamer
Fast Oven
Chef Mike
As in, "Take this over to Chef Mike and ask him to heat it up."
One is never to utter the word "microwave" in a better kitchen.
But they use them.
So BK used them before? Meh.
As for BK I believe they donated to Dems, but didn't Bain take them over and violate and loot the place?
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)You may not stay in business long. The only down side to any of these craptastic burger joints is the loss of the crappy jobs they provide.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)For the sake of humans' health and the animals they viciously abuse, I hope all those disgusting "restaurants" go out of business.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts)... I almost wish I did business with them so I could stop
jwirr
(39,215 posts)me is if they move their headquarters to another country. They are refusing to pay taxes if they do the latter. This is what I am against.
So have they definitely moved their headquarters? Is that what this OP is saying? This is what I am boycotting. I do not want corporations moving out of our country to avoid taxes. If that is what they are doing they are about as unpatriotic as they can get. If you are an American company then pay your share.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)A foreign company. Let's not forget that!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)our country..
treestar
(82,383 posts)US states do not allow foreign corporations to do business in the state without being registered and that no doubt leads to taxes on the income.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)They will not pay US taxes on foreign income under the new deal.
treestar
(82,383 posts)our citizens abroad get credit for the foreign taxes paid, and so only will pay the US where US has a higher tax rate. Thanks to Republicans that may be rare. Not sure how it applies to corporations though. But it'd be hard to believe they have not lobbied enough to get the same type of credit.
KinMd
(966 posts)isn't going to have much of an impact.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)because I found their food to be inedible due to it's poor preparation.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Because I'm supposed to do with out salt and sugar in my diet, their food is loaded with both.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Ones health isn't a priority when choosing nutrition, but a company's tax-avoidance scheme is?
Our priorities are truly fucked up.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)I absolutely agree with your main reason to not eat there: because it's unhealthy.
Another reason is that fast food relies on factory farming, atrocious to animals.
malthaussen
(17,204 posts)... we had a four-day power failure, except for the BK on the corner, which somehow wasn't affected. Let me tell you, a peanut butter sandwich when it is 20 degrees inside is not what one might call a filling meal. To say nothing of heat and coffee.
So I might just patronize BK in extremis. You never can tell.
-- Mal
valerief
(53,235 posts)I love the "it's not about the taxes." Does anyone else have in mind the asshole boyfriend who breaks up with you because you gained 10 pounds? "It's not about the weight gain." Yeah, my fat ass it's not.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Liberal In Texas
(13,556 posts)Cashier "confiscated" a 5 dollar bill saying it counterfeit. It wasn't it was just an old series she didn't recognize. If that wasn't bad enough, the manager refused to take a phone call and the corporate refused to return several attempts to contact them to discuss the matter.
Screw Burger King, I hope they go out of business.
former9thward
(32,023 posts)The would have lost and had to pay your court costs and expenses.
Liberal In Texas
(13,556 posts)if I had been I would have called the police. She doesn't like these kind of confrontations, but I'm not afraid to stand up when some business is trying to screw me.
I briefly thought about it, but figured it wasn't worth the effort and I didn't have any documentation about what the name of the clerk was and a police report would have been helpful. I work with lawyers these days in depositions and have kind of a sense of what it would take to present a good case. Plus, the entity being sued doesn't have to agree to have the case heard in small claims, they can have it moved to regular civil court, which is what I assume what the corporate lawyers would do. Then I'd have to hire a lawyer, it just wasn't worth that hassle.
I have continually told this story to people I know...and I hope I've cost them more than $5 worth of business over the years.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)account . . . I said let the police decide who that bills belongs to and what it is. I got on the phone to ask for a non emergency police number and the clerks gave it back. Aggravating encounter
Cashed the bill the next day no problem and yes it was old series
I think this is a scam for clerks to pocket extra cash if they get caught they can say they are not familiar with the old series= nice out
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I cannot NOT eat at Burger King anymore than I already don't ....
Glad you fine folk will now join my little ANTI-BK juggernaut ...
Springslips
(533 posts)Sorry for the all caps but I was only seeing Burgar King. You do have to boycott Tim Hortons.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)It is about 1/2 mile from my house. I have no problem boycotting it because I have not eaten there for over 30 years. I have been a vegetarian for the past 20 years, but in my meat-eating time I would never eat at Burger King anyway. Their burgers have very little beef. It mostly filling. When I ate hamburgers, they were only ones I cooked at home. At least I knew what was in them.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)KinMd
(966 posts)....
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... just to lament the fact that 90% of the people here are so ignorant of international tax procedures.
Uh, no, not really.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Yummy
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)We would need to boycott pharmaceuticals, they have moved off shore.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)But how is it that Canada is able to charge less in taxes and still is able to provide Universal Health Care to the citizens? I've asked a variation of this question before, but nobody's ever answered it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5320792
How are nations which provide Universal Health Care to all of their citizens able to have lower taxes?
I mean, it would appear you would have to raise taxes to pay for Universal Health Care, but somehow Canada, England, and most of the nations in Europe are able to provide this while charging so much less in taxes that American Companies are flocking there to save money.
So where the hell is the money collected by Washington going? Because it can't be claimed that we're spending it wisely. Not when Canada apparently has lower taxes but all the people have access to Universal Health Care. Why aren't we asking the right questions instead of having a knee jerk scream fest about anyone who shows us that the building is on fire by running out of it?
All the nations they're running to are first world fully civilized nations with universal health care. WTF is going on?
JEB
(4,748 posts)we get to be world policeman. Wonderful.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It's why we can't have nice, 1st world things.
JEB
(4,748 posts)for more profits for the few at the top of the MIC. Fear and lies are their real weapons that they use to kill and intimidate the people. A brutal and heartless enemy.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Here, there are so many loopholes and accounting tricks that most corporations pay almost (or literally) nothing. Our corporate taxes are not higher when one considers this.
I'd meet the Republicans on lowering corporate tax rates here ... IF, and only if, all loopholes were closed. And if it meant we'd actually be able to collect revenues. A 26% rate fully collectible would be better than a 40% rate that very little is paid on.
hugo_from_TN
(1,069 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)At least when they move the money to the US.
As a canadian company they will still pay US taxes on US income, but they will avoid US taxes on foreign income.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)and then having lying, asshole politicians screw them over for decades while pretending to fix it.
Instead they just did it more or less right the first time.
JEB
(4,748 posts)stop to use the bathroom when on the road.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Well, not until they get a better quality cardstock for their crowns, anyway. I feel so silly wearing those tacky ones while dining.
JEB
(4,748 posts)leave without buying anything. One step beyond boycott. Everybody start swinging by BK when the urge to purge comes around.
former9thward
(32,023 posts)BKH70041
(961 posts)Some members here are going to have to decide if Warren Buffett is a liberal hero or a capitalist goat. Like other personalities, I suppose it's a "what have you done for me lately" love/hate relationship.
Ah, so many decisions they need to make and so little mental capacity to do so.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)is one of the biggest tax dodging legal schemes set up in the US. And he is a fricken billionaire but somehow a company who is struggling to stay afloat is boycotted while the billionaire is not.
Ratty
(2,100 posts)Had this weird chemical liquid smoke flavor I couldn't stand. I know they're supposed to be "flame broiled" but I'm convinced they added something to make them taste even more flame broiled.
I used to order their onion rings, liked their chicken sandwiches and LOVED their bacon croissants. We haven't had a BK in the area for many years.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I won't eat there--at least nostril they reverse this.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Just didn't think their food tasted good.
I rarely eat at any fast food places. Pizza Hut had remained a place to visit, but about a year ago they apparently changed their pizza sauce, and I do not like the taste anymore, and so I've stopped going there.
And Subway's meats are gross. There is a smaller sandwich chain, Mr. Goodcents, largely in the Midwest, which I like a lot.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)they paid last year? If they are like most corporations that size, they probably paid very little.
maced666
(771 posts)Or money, to be more direct. Saving billions mixed in with the buyout deal. Follow the money - right out the door to Canada.
Think the will close all US stores?!
Not a chance.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)I think it's despicable you demand taking our tax dollars by paying your employees below the poverty line, yet you look for a way to lessen your tax bill by buying a company based in another country, James Reed wrote in a comment.
Pull that tax inversion stunt and I'll never spend another penny in any of your establishments, added Mike Robinette. I'll also petition my Congressman to ensure all Burger Kings on US Military installations are closed since we should be supporting US corporations on our military bases.
Good point about being on bases
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I used to love fast food, but as of late it has all tasted like shit.
I did have burgers last night (80%/20% grainfed beef to bison). They were thick sob's and cooked to perfection in an iron skillet. Yum
Uben
(7,719 posts)I don't do fast food. I stopped drinking sodas years ago, and I suppose that's why I hardly ever eat fast food anymore. I live rurally, so the fast food joints aren't readily convenient. I ALWAYS cook my own burgers. Hickory smoked and cooked to perfection every time!
But, even those are far and few between since I started eating healthier.....and less.
petronius
(26,602 posts)I have ever tasted or even imagined. But I'd skip them even more now...
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I'd go back to BK if they promised to take that 10% difference in taxes and pass it on as wages to their restaurant workers.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)she's Canadian.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)maced666
(771 posts)So, guess a boycott is mute!
Romulox
(25,960 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)We are doing it wrong. We have failed to provide a competitive venue.
Burger King goes to Canada, pays less tax and is not required to provide health insurance for their employees. That is a no-brainer when it comes to decision making in our capital based system of doing business.
After we have ravaged and ransacked our social programs to continue try to bring our tax bill into line, perhaps then we will begin to consider the elephant in the room in earnest. As of now, given the choice between burgers, bullets or healthcare, bullets win hands down.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)You may be right!
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)When the sword makers have drained our resources, perhaps they will finally move their operations to a new venue. Too late for us, I'm afraid.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)a habit of only responding to major catastrophes, and congress is too busy trying appease whomever for their next $$$$$ and making sure they continue to lavish themselves with ridiculous salaries and benefits. In short, the majority of people in the US are screwed ... and sadly, many are in denial.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)if I continue to purchase the occasional ham, egg and cheese croissant on the odd days I ferry my grandkids to school. Overall, Burger King won't notice, I think. Still, it's a convenience.
I'd sooner treat the disease than feed some sense of moral superiority while railing over the symptoms. If my congress critters make comment on this happening, I'll likely advise them of my thoughts which will be equally as effective as not buying the sandwich -- not very, I figure.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)even corporations. If one were looking at personal finances, they would likely do the same, go where costs are cheaper.
We are also the war profiteers of earth, big money for the MIC at the expense of most other things.
The system is so F'ed up in the US it is so frustrating to even describe it ... it needs to be fixed, I have no idea how. Congress is woefully unskilled and also on the take, SCOTUS is rigged, and economists that know what to do are silenced, and layered on that is a ridiculous MSM that only serves for their bottom line. In short, we are all fucked, Burger King is really just one more symptom.
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jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)I really hope they get their financial house in order and maybe they will relocate back to the US. God knows this country needs every tax revenue they can get.
maced666
(771 posts)I hate you I love you I hate you I love you.
Do you agree with me 100% today or do you burn in hell do you agree with me 100% today or do you burn in hell do you burn in hell do you agree with me 100% today or do you burn in hell
louis-t
(23,295 posts)Forever. My tummy thanks me already.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...and McDonald's...even longer.
I prefer to visit the hole in the wall places, street food, etc. You know...actual local stuff.
Although, I will admit in shame that I went to Taco Bell this year....Wife and I were drunk...and hungry...and Taco Bell was across the street.
c588415
(285 posts)us my " buy 1, get 1 free" coupon for 2 Whoppers.