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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe War Nerd: Here’s everything you need to know about “too extreme for Al Qaeda” I.S.I.S.
http://pando.com/2014/06/16/the-war-nerd-heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-too-extreme-for-al-qaeda-i-s-i-s/This is one of those dramatic military reverses that mean a lot less than meets the eye. The Iraqi Army routed by ISIS wasnt really a national army, and ISIS isnt really a dominant military force. It was able to occupy those cities because they were vacuums, abandoned by a weak, sectarian force. Moving into vacuums like this is what ISIS is good at. And thats the only thing ISIS is good at.
ISIS is a sectarian Sunni militiathats all. A big one, as militias go, with something like 10,000 fighters. Most of them are Iraqi, a few are Syrian, and a few hundred are those famous European jihadis who draw press attention out of all relation to their negligible combat value. The real strength of ISIS comes from its Chechen fighters, up to a thousand of them. A thousand Chechens is a serious force, and a terrifying one if theyre bearing down on your neighborhood. Chechens are the scariest fighters, pound-for-pound, in the world.
But were still talking about a conventional military force smaller than a division. Thats a real but very limited amount of combat power. What this means is that, no matter how many scare headlines you read, ISIS will never take Baghdad, let alone Shia cities to the south like Karbala. It wont be able to dent the Kurds territory to the north, either. All it can doall it has been doing, by moving into Sunni cities like Mosul and Tikritis to complete the partition of Iraq begun by our dear ex-president Bush in 2003. By crushing Saddams Sunni-led Iraq, the Americans made partition inevitable. In fact, Iraq has been partitioned ever since the invasion; its just been partitioned badly, into two parts instead of the natural three: the Kurdish north, and the remainder occupied by a weak sectarian Shia force going by the name of The Iraqi Army. The center of the country, the so-called Sunni Triangle, had no share in this partition and was under the inept, weak rule of the Shia army.
By occupying the Sunni cities, ISIS has simply made a more rational partition, adding a third part, putting the Sunni Triangle back under Sunni rule. The Shia troops who fled as soon as they heard that the ISIS was on the way seem to have anticipated that the Sunni would claim their own territory someday. Thats why they fled without giving even a pretense of battle.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Their mass executions of local populations?
Their scorched earth implementation of strict theocracy?
Hmm ... ok ... if you insist ...
Um ... wait ... no can do ... no can do ...
eridani
(51,907 posts)These are the folks that used to buy the booze when Christians ran the liquor stores under Saddam, remember?
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Likely many other accounts of ISIS are overblown or even AP to give the US a pretense to go into Syria (when Russia takes the Ukraine). Same as it ever was, same as it ever was...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)number of years. Whistle Blower, Chelsea Manning TRIED to report it but was told to STFU. The Brutal Regime of Maliki especially towards the Sunni population almost guaranteed the emergence of ISIS or some other 'rebel' force.
Maybe if WE hadn't ignored what Maliki was doing, maybe if reports from people like Manning had been heeded, maybe if Maliki had not handed over 80% of Iraq'a Oil Fields to the control of Global Oil Corporations, maybe if Maliki had LISTENED to the PEACEFUL protests of the Iraqis instead of sending out that 'Iraqi Army', trained by US, to shoot them and as Manning reported, torture them, and maybe if WE had not killed and tortured over one million of their people, maybe if we had NOT INVADED their country and sent in DEATH SQUADS to slaughter them, or if Fallujah had never happened, perhaps there would be NO ISIS??
But it's too late now to bring back the dead and restore health to the maimed, or ensure the healthy births of Iraqi babies.
It's ironic that we especially on the Left who PREDICTED much of this as a result of the CRIMINAL INVASION of that country, should now try to place the blame on Iraq. WE STARTED THIS and our WAR CRIMINALS were never held accountable.
Have you forgotten the Death Squads Cheney et al sent there, speaking of 'disregard for human life'?
Remember the FOUR MILLION refugees to Jordan and Syria, driven out of their country by the VIOLENCE WE PERPETRATED on that country?
And now Libya, another one of our Western creations. Been paying attention to the violence in THAT country lately, or will it too be ignored until another 'rebel army' surfaces, (it has already btw) and then it will be used to GO BACK for MORE WAR and more money and more sales of Weapons.
We need to STOP because everywhere we go we bring violence and instability and bloodshed, see Ukraine also.
And maybe one day in the far distant future our War Crimes against so many people will be FORGIVEN and peace will happen. But that WON'T happen until we do something about the War Mongers here in this country.
So, why WEREN'T we hearing about Maliki's brutality over the past several years? Should we have been hearing about it? Why is Manning in jail while the real criminals are still running around promoting MORE WAR?
Trajan
(19,089 posts)But it's a Tu Quoque fallacy ... it is irrelevant to the other subject ...
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... because none of what is happening today happened in a vacuum. What we did has consequences, and is pertinent to what is happening now.
It's not a fallacy at all.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Thanks for sharing.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)It's useful to have some indepth information instead of the usual soundbite scaremongering.
reflection
(6,286 posts)Thanks.