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joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:10 PM Aug 2014

Hillary Clinton: "Imagine if a third of all white men went to prison during their lifetime."

Imagine what we would feel and what we would do if white drivers were three times as likely to be searched by police during a traffic stop as black drivers, instead of the other way around,” she said, “if white offenders received prison sentences 10 percent longer than black offenders for the same crimes, if a third of all white men—just look at this room and take one third—went to prison during their lifetime. Imagine that. That is the reality in the lives of so many of our fellow Americans and so many of the communities in which they live.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/08/hillary_clinton_on_ferguson_protests_and_michael_brown_s_killing_the_former.html


This is far more profound than the "inequities that persist in our justice system" comment, in my opinion, it's social commentary, not precisely commentary about the "justice system." This is a comment about racism and that the problem is racial in nature.
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Hillary Clinton: "Imagine if a third of all white men went to prison during their lifetime." (Original Post) joshcryer Aug 2014 OP
Careful, Sec. Clinton... Scootaloo Aug 2014 #1
I'd rather encourage this line of discussion. joshcryer Aug 2014 #3
Soon as she says she was wrong and apologizes, sure Scootaloo Aug 2014 #4
That she's saying this to a room of white people is enough for me. joshcryer Aug 2014 #5
I guess she's not writing off the black vote after all BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #2
Importantly, it was OpenSDx, lots of rich people. joshcryer Aug 2014 #6
She's on the mark wyldwolf Aug 2014 #7
First post in the thread. joshcryer Aug 2014 #8
Kick! joshcryer Aug 2014 #9
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. Careful, Sec. Clinton...
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:21 PM
Aug 2014

Keep talking like that and you might lose some of those "hard working white Americans" you insisted were spurning Obama for you back in 2008.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
3. I'd rather encourage this line of discussion.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:24 PM
Aug 2014

Rather than try to shut it down over past rhetoric which was clearly wrong.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. Soon as she says she was wrong and apologizes, sure
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:26 PM
Aug 2014

I'll take commitment over sculpted rhetoric, thanks.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
5. That she's saying this to a room of white people is enough for me.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:30 PM
Aug 2014

Any allegations of pandering to some core group are clearly bullshit.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
2. I guess she's not writing off the black vote after all
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:23 PM
Aug 2014

Yes, you could read comments like that here on this board before she made any pubic comments on Ferguson.

This is a powerful approach to use in a room full of white people, which is what conventions tend to look like. I applaud her for it.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
6. Importantly, it was OpenSDx, lots of rich people.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:43 PM
Aug 2014

Granted, they're tech related, so probably more liberal, on average. But it had to be uncomfortable for her to point out the room, wave her hand over a third of it, and tell them to imagine what it'd be like for a third to have gone to prison.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
7. She's on the mark
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:44 PM
Aug 2014
I’m sure there were black people in the audience in San Francisco, but this was Silicon Valley. Clinton was talking to white people. And she was asking them, as white people, to show empathy and concern for the conditions of their black fellow citizens. I wouldn’t say this is unprecedented, but it is rare. Especially since there’s no attempt to deflect or blame black Americans for their own problems. Clinton doesn’t mention “black-on-black crime” or give a brief respectability lecture. She simply says, Look at how we treat them, and imagine if it were you...

... In the same way that only a hardline anti-communist could go to China and only an arch-conservative could raise taxes, it might be that it takes a white person in the White House to have real candor with white people on race.


Of course, some of the 'where is Hillary... HILLLARY... she should be speaking up' folks at DU will now be telling her to shut up and that she's not sincere and blah blah.
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