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RandySF

(59,457 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:04 PM Apr 2012

George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, law enforcement official says

Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey plans to announce as early as Wednesday afternoon that she is charging neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation.


It was not immediately clear what charge Zimmerman will face.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html?tid=sm_facebook

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George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, law enforcement official says (Original Post) RandySF Apr 2012 OP
Manslaughter at most, I think. aikoaiko Apr 2012 #1
I'm betting 2nd degree murder. RandySF Apr 2012 #3
That depends on the circumstances of the death. TheWraith Apr 2012 #5
I've been saying he'll be charged with manslaughter since she dismissed the cali Apr 2012 #2
Yes! Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #4
Well we know who WON'T be going to track him down and capture him Hugabear Apr 2012 #6
this had to be done today Whisp Apr 2012 #7
I have a question about Zimmerman's dad. RandySF Apr 2012 #8
so many bizarre things in this case. Whisp Apr 2012 #9
I hope this is correct..I have so little faith in the Sanford PD system, the Justice system, & the Blaze Diem Apr 2012 #10
I don't judge the "U.S. Justice system" by FL law enforcement grasswire Apr 2012 #15
Thanks Blaze Diem Apr 2012 #20
How long to you have to contemplate murdering someone before it's considered 1st degree? DCKit Apr 2012 #11
I have no doubt Zimmerman planned to draw his gun. RandySF Apr 2012 #12
I think it all depends. cali Apr 2012 #14
It was more of a rhetorical question. DCKit Apr 2012 #17
Nancy Grace pointed out that the moment when the trigger is pulled... grasswire Apr 2012 #16
Nancy Grace is a hack, the Jerry Springer of attorneys. DCKit Apr 2012 #18
sure grasswire Apr 2012 #23
Don't prosecutors usually "charge up"? Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #13
That's what I'm betting, too obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #21
If Corey is smart, the charge will be manslaughter obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #19
An OJ Simpson-style circus, possibly followed by riots after the verdict, Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #22
George would have to be in protective custody, I believe. grasswire Apr 2012 #24

RandySF

(59,457 posts)
3. I'm betting 2nd degree murder.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:09 PM
Apr 2012

If Zimmerman started the fight and finished it with a gun, wouldn't that be Murder Two?

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
5. That depends on the circumstances of the death.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
Apr 2012

If it were determined that he had a reasonable belief he would suffer death or serious bodily harm (including a serious beating) that would be manslaughter. If it was decided he did not have a reasonable belief, then that's murder two.

A manslaughter conviction in this case is pretty much a lock, since even Zimmerman's own story doesn't get him out of that, but I suspect murder two as well. Too much conflicting evidence. Although obviously it also depends on what the prosecutor thinks they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. A prosecutor might decide that a 100% chance of a manslaughter conviction would be preferable to an 80% chance of a murder two conviction.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
7. this had to be done today
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
Apr 2012

or asap after the news of him in hiding.

good.

now let's find that piece of shit.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
9. so many bizarre things in this case.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Apr 2012

I suppose the dad thought he was being protected by the Sanford police? and was just drumming up sympathy for his poor misunderstood little boy.

another angle: he must be a repuglican and they lie like rugs, they can't help it.

 

Blaze Diem

(3,384 posts)
10. I hope this is correct..I have so little faith in the Sanford PD system, the Justice system, & the
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Apr 2012

hate that divides this country by their actions.
Just hope if he is charged it is for the crime of murder & that he actually is found guilty in the end.

I would like my faith in the US Justice system to be restored somewhat. Show some proof that it does exist.



grasswire

(50,130 posts)
15. I don't judge the "U.S. Justice system" by FL law enforcement
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:50 PM
Apr 2012

States administer justice according to the voters who elect each state Attorney General, as well as elected judges, sheriffs, etc.

So I don't think that an egregious miscarriage of justice in any particular state affects the "U.S. Justice system." Because there is really no U.S. system governing murder.

But I know what you mean.

 

Blaze Diem

(3,384 posts)
20. Thanks
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:12 PM
Apr 2012

I recall when I used to trust that the legal system worked.

But hey, I still believe that the demise of New York's Twin Towers was an inside job, also.

My best to the Martin Family, anyway.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
11. How long to you have to contemplate murdering someone before it's considered 1st degree?
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
Apr 2012

Do you even have to consider any particular individual, or is the intent to murder anyone "of color", at your earliest convenience, applicable?

RandySF

(59,457 posts)
12. I have no doubt Zimmerman planned to draw his gun.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
Apr 2012

The momment he got out of his car, he probably planned to play cop and at least detain Trayvon while aiming his weapon. Proving it, however, would be difficult.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. I think it all depends.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:37 PM
Apr 2012

Recently a local school teacher was brutally murdered in front of her two year old son after this married couple lured her from her house by calling her and saying they had car problems on her isolated country road. They bought a cell phone they believed couldn't be traced and there was an abundance of evidence that they had planned this. The local State's Attorney charged them with second degree murder. (btw, the victim knew the couple- they used to plow her driveway. she thought they were weird so she alerted someone that she was going out to help them)

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-28/news/31251898_1_snow-plow-driver-school-teacher-science-teacher

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
17. It was more of a rhetorical question.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:05 PM
Apr 2012

They're either going to charge with what they think will fly, or they're corrupt and looking to get their guy off.

However, in the case you cite, that they didn't go for murder 1 just blows me away. Whether or not they planned to commit a simple robbery, they were also prepared to kill.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
16. Nancy Grace pointed out that the moment when the trigger is pulled...
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:53 PM
Apr 2012

...is the moment that freezes intent. Doesn't matter whether the shooter regretted it the moment after the trigger was pulled. Doesn't matter if he didn't intend to pull the trigger the moment before it was pulled. What matters is the intent at the very moment the trigger was pulled. That's my understanding.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
18. Nancy Grace is a hack, the Jerry Springer of attorneys.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:07 PM
Apr 2012

Not that she's wrong, but she pisses me off.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. Don't prosecutors usually "charge up"?
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:32 PM
Apr 2012

I'm guessing he'll be charged with second degree murder, but there will be a plea deal for manslaughter.

obamanut2012

(26,161 posts)
19. If Corey is smart, the charge will be manslaughter
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:12 PM
Apr 2012

Which should be able to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Casey Anthony was (rightly) found not guilty because the DA overreached. I'm betting Corey will want a relatively easy trial or even a plea deal, because this is a case full of bad, bad PR.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
22. An OJ Simpson-style circus, possibly followed by riots after the verdict,
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:17 PM
Apr 2012

would be horrendous. I think the prosecution side would agree to one year in county jail to avoid that kind of spectacle.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
24. George would have to be in protective custody, I believe.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 04:51 PM
Apr 2012

The general population of the county jail would not be kind to him.

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