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The outcome of the coming weeks deliberations is predictable, but the result could be the partition of Ukraine
from The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/29/ukraine-putin-sanctions-west-biggest-mistake
Sanctions against Russia have proved, and will always prove, worthless. The relentless desire to continue with them is cockeyed, since they hurt western companies and economies, and are of no avail in changing Putins policies. They may well succeed in ruining the Russian economy, but what will that bring? More of the same or worse. It was the humiliation of Russia and impoverishment of its citizens in the 1990s that brought Putin to power in the first place.
And yet the delusion persists that sanctions can be widened and deepened, strengthened and escalated, until finally Putin caves in. But nothing in his character, or in Russias behaviour in the past, suggests this will happen. The only outcome is that time is wasted on an endless search for new targets to punish, instead of grappling with the root causes of the conflict.
Since sanctions dont work, and war is unthinkable (President Obama on Thursday explicitly ruled out military intervention), then only one viable option remains. If Ukraine is to become peaceful and whole again, and Putin prevented from carving chunks out of neighbouring countries, there needs to be political engagement with Moscow.
There would have to be an immediate, total ceasefire by Kiev and the rebels, followed by talks on a constitutional settlement to protect the rights of the Russian minority. Putin might well be persuaded to back this (and withdraw his phantom forces from Ukraine) if he is promised that Ukraine will never join Nato. The alliances leaders could use their Welsh summit to reverse their 2008 declaration that Ukraine will become a member. The west could then drop its sanctions, and Russia would end its own retaliatory ban on western imports. Crimeas annexation would have to be accepted, at least for the moment, for the sake of preserving the rest of Ukraine.
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TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Will they make beloved Pooty-Poot pull back? No, he can't, or he'll be humiliated and lose authority in Russia. But they will weaken Russia's economy (they already have). That's certainly a worthy price to extract for aggression. I wouldn't lift them for a long, long time. Oh, and offer NATO membership to whatever of Ukraine is left. Put NATO on Pootie's doorstep, with a missile shield. Anything that jabs this nutcase in the eyeball at this point is fine with me.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is pretty much the point. Crime doesn't pay, as the saying goes.
Putin's regime has been so thoroughly dishonest--both in public and in private conversations with EU and North American leaders--that there really isn't much point in long-term negotiations with him. What he does, not what he says or promises, is what counts.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,010 posts)Not so much sanctions but instead Saudi Arabia flooded the oil markets in the 80's bringing prices down. In addition North Sea oil was coming on line.
Of course there was a collateral effect as well. The economies of Texas and Oklahoma also took a hit.
http://booksellersvsbestsellers.blogspot.com/2013/09/it-was-oil-not-reagan-that-brought-down.html
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Cha
(297,275 posts)LEAVE him ALONE! Rofl
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The same douchebags that publish Greenwald's bullshit.
brush
(53,784 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 3, 2014, 06:35 PM - Edit history (1)
but what happened to Greenwald's threat to reveal the most damaging info and names from the Snowden files?
LuvLoogie
(7,009 posts)brush
(53,784 posts)Cha
(297,275 posts)Yeah, if you've got your head buried in the sand and force feed yourself RT.. sure.. you know not wtf is going on. Rofl
LuvLoogie
(7,009 posts)with the Secret Service, then challenge Putin to a cage match. Obama could kick his ass. Reach, speed and stealth bad ass are on our guy's side.
Fuck that Russian spook.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Obama is a former community organiser whose favorite sport is basketball.
Putin is a former KGB agent with a black belt in judo.
If it came to blows, the safe money would be on the little bald guy.
LuvLoogie
(7,009 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)I wonder why the Guardian doesn't advocate for Putin to use diplomacy instead of strutting around flexing his biceps? Hmmm...I do wonder about that.
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