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riqster

(13,986 posts)
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:55 AM Sep 2014

Duck Dynasty’s Robertson and ISIS: Both will kill you if you don’t convert to their religion.

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/duck-dynastys-robertson-and-isis-both-will-kill-you-if-you-dont-convert-to-their-religion/

Both have said it straight out, Gentle Reader, so this is not Cranky hyperbole. Let’s start with Ducky Daddy , OK? He said this to Sean Hannity just yesterday: “I’m just saying either convert them or kill them”. There’s video at the link if you don’t believe it.

ISIS, the “Too Crazy even for Al-Quaida Brigade”, kill people from other religions. And they have been doing it. Hopefully, Duckie Boy and his faux-redneck crew of TeaVangelicals aren’t doing THIS in their swamps (yet):

As previously reported, ISIS gave villagers the choice of converting to Islam or facing death. Everyone in the village, whose name is also spelled “Kocho,” chose conversion. Everyone, that is, except their sheikh.

The one man’s refusal was enough to push ISIS militants over the edge, Reuters reports. After looting the village, they loaded the men into buses and took them to the middle of the desert, where they shot them.


That, Cranky Nation, is exactly what “Christians” like Phil Robertson will do if they can take over. It’ll be “Kiss the Cross or be kissed by a sword”. Oh, and you had better be the RIGHT kind of Christian: Presbyterians are considered just as Hellbound as Moslems to crazy f***ers like the Ducksters, so this writer’s head would be rolling down the street, too. Likely yours would as well.

It’s time and past time to remind our country that we ALL have freedom of religion. Nobody should be threatened with death because of their faith. NOBODY. Nowhere. Never. Phil Robertson should take his Bin Laden Beard overseas and join ISIS. The murderous lunatic would fit right in.

Heck, he could star in the next video as he beheads a journalist. Even better propaganda value than a cowardly Brit who is too scared to take his mask off while killing bound, unarmed infidels.



Source material at the link.

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Duck Dynasty’s Robertson and ISIS: Both will kill you if you don’t convert to their religion. (Original Post) riqster Sep 2014 OP
George Carlin was right - religion is the leading cause of death on this planet. Initech Sep 2014 #1
Did it kill Carlin? nt Union Scribe Sep 2014 #2
No the cause of death was "birth". riqster Sep 2014 #7
Your point? Owl Sep 2014 #76
Same tactics ... N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2014 #3
Well, see Philly Boy has the goodest God. So he is gooder. riqster Sep 2014 #6
Well, except Robertson won't actually kill you, while ISIS will. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #4
Say rather that ISIS already has, and Phil has said he would. riqster Sep 2014 #5
Tell Robertson the law won't punish him, and see what happens. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #29
Robertson appears to be a Christian Reconstructionist, and while they don't kestrel91316 Sep 2014 #65
Death by stoning, death by decapitation. riqster Sep 2014 #69
Can you link to Robertson's beheading videos? I must have missed them. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #8
Since it would be the next video after a future event, there are none as yet, riqster Sep 2014 #11
All I know is ISIS beheaded two Americans, but people like you Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #14
Threats are not always silly things to brush off. riqster Sep 2014 #15
But you directly implied that the DD guy would kill people Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #19
He said he would kill people. Your 99.99% is an assumption. riqster Sep 2014 #20
He killed someone in your family? Call the cops, then. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #24
Go ahead and ignore the risk. riqster Sep 2014 #42
There is zero risk of Christians doing what ISIS is doing. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #44
Again, assumptions with no evidence. riqster Sep 2014 #50
hahahahahahahahahaha Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #51
Tell that to the thousands and thousands of "infidels" they slaughtered. riqster Sep 2014 #70
BS. There is a HUGE risk. Christian Reconstructionists advocate a return kestrel91316 Sep 2014 #66
Dominionists. Scary people. riqster Sep 2014 #68
He said he would kill Isis members Reter Sep 2014 #88
He said it when discussing ISIS. He did not limit it to them. riqster Sep 2014 #95
I think, given absence of punishment from law, he absolutely would Scootaloo Sep 2014 #30
I am not even sure what the hell you're trying to say. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #32
Yes, I'm totally defending ISIS, yup yup, you got me! Scootaloo Sep 2014 #36
So if stuff wasn't illegal, people would do illegal stuff. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #37
You are making a concerted effort to miss the point entirely Scootaloo Sep 2014 #40
I don't agree. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #41
What in the world are you even on about? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #59
Put much better than I did. Thanks. riqster Sep 2014 #43
Who do you think he was threatening? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #35
People who won't convert to Christianity. riqster Sep 2014 #45
No, it wasn't. That's what the article makes it looks like he said, but the article is deceptive. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #90
No. Your assumption is not borne out by the video. riqster Sep 2014 #96
I have to agree that this thread is hyperbolic in the extreme. MADem Sep 2014 #54
oh no...we learned that there will soon be a Duck Dynasty Crusade Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #56
I never paid attention to those DD blowhards in the first place. MADem Sep 2014 #62
Actually, people DO care what he thinks. riqster Sep 2014 #71
I'm not one of those, and I'm not going to concern myself too much with morons! MADem Sep 2014 #72
Lots of brownshirts and similar thugs were morons. riqster Sep 2014 #75
That asswipe isn't the "right leader." He's a loser and no one watches that stupid show anymore. MADem Sep 2014 #78
"No one"? Incorrect. riqster Sep 2014 #82
Everyplace I've seen that merchandise, it is "DD"= Deeply Discounted!!!!! MADem Sep 2014 #85
In Appalachia, DD is still big. riqster Sep 2014 #92
Good thing the ISIS guys cover their faces. Efilroft Sul Sep 2014 #9
Point. riqster Sep 2014 #12
Why don't we send this SOB out on the front lines then? sakabatou Sep 2014 #10
Sic semper chickenhawkus riqster Sep 2014 #13
Except one is serious and the other is just a big-mouth for PR. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #16
Or so you hope. riqster Sep 2014 #18
This is a classic example of taking remarks out of context to misrepresent them, I'm afraid. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #17
Threatening to kill people for not converting is a serious matter. riqster Sep 2014 #22
I think hating ISIS is a good and healthy thing. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #25
Hating ISIS, agreed. Threatening to ACT like ISIS, not so much. riqster Sep 2014 #26
What ISIS does is kill and coerce innocent people Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #27
He said we should kill them. The fact that he has not yet done so is not exculpatory. riqster Sep 2014 #46
I say we should kill members of ISIS too. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #91
The problem is the assumption that he is only talking about the combat personnel of ISIS. riqster Sep 2014 #97
That's not an assumption, it's a fact, albeit one the article OP tries to conceal. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #101
Understood. 840high Sep 2014 #89
This dude is looking more and more like the Ayatollah Catherine Vincent Sep 2014 #21
I like the gold headband. Almost like a crown, innit? riqster Sep 2014 #23
People like this Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #28
Yep. He does not speak for me, that's for sure. riqster Sep 2014 #47
After reading this thread through it is more than obvious that some though obviously intelligent AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #31
Yep. Propagandists have blood on their hands. riqster Sep 2014 #48
they are frighteningly similar positions samsingh Sep 2014 #33
Well, these people aren't really all that holy, are they? riqster Sep 2014 #49
Odd how Biden can say he'll take them to the gates of hell Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #34
Who here is denying the horrific crimes of ISIS ? You can post the little laughing dude all you like AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #38
The reason I'm laughing at this RIDICULOUS FUCKING THREAD Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #39
Why is it so important to you to whitewash the violent hate speech of a RW extremist? riqster Sep 2014 #52
Then ISIS should concern you. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #53
Actually, if you read the OP, I count them as equivalent. riqster Sep 2014 #55
ask the Sotloffs and Foleys how equivalent.nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #57
Crap. riqster Sep 2014 #61
So you want to murder Duck Dynasty. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #73
Nope. Nowhere did I say that. riqster Sep 2014 #77
WTF??? You STARTED THE THREAD. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #80
Yes, he does. riqster Sep 2014 #84
He was talking about ISIS and you know it. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #87
Try to keep your conversations straight. riqster Sep 2014 #94
And I'm not laughing because I know for a fact that though you and I heard the ISIS organization but AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #60
Mass reply to all the "Phil wouldn't really act on his speech" posters: riqster Sep 2014 #58
He also fessed up to beating his wife and young sons.... Thanx be to Jesus he is a saved man.... AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #63
Two sides of the same coin it seems. Cleita Sep 2014 #64
True. But the longer he receives support for his hate speech... riqster Sep 2014 #67
Is this really the best that the "but Christians are just as bad" crowd can do? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #74
As a Presbyterian, I take exception to your statement. riqster Sep 2014 #79
No, you're just a shitty reader. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #81
Nope, I read pretty well. riqster Sep 2014 #83
Then you admit he said he would kill ISIS, not you. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #86
He said he would kill people who would did not convert to his version of Christianity. riqster Sep 2014 #93
Relax, have a waffle. Robertson is an abject coward. Saw lots of that type Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #98
Waffles are tasty. riqster Sep 2014 #99
:) Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #100
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
65. Robertson appears to be a Christian Reconstructionist, and while they don't
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:37 PM
Sep 2014

advocate beheadings, they do advocate a return to stonings per Leviticus.

I don't really see any difference when you get right down to it.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
11. Since it would be the next video after a future event, there are none as yet,
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:24 PM
Sep 2014

But I am sure you know that.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
14. All I know is ISIS beheaded two Americans, but people like you
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:44 PM
Sep 2014

cannot distinguish simple bigotry from actual murderous behavior and intent.

You know full well that the Duck Dynasty clowns aren't going to kill anyone. You just
can't handle that someone else IS killing people.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
15. Threats are not always silly things to brush off.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 02:48 PM
Sep 2014

Ask any Huguenot, Jewish, Moslem, Roma, Gay, Black person.....hell, many people from many groups about ignoring the danger presented by people who utter violent threats.

When those threats are met by responses of "awwww, he doesn't really mean it", bad things happen.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
19. But you directly implied that the DD guy would kill people
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:23 PM
Sep 2014

which you know with 99.99% certainty is complete and utter fucking horseshit.

That was the discussion. Meanwhile ISIS IS killing people. Proudly, actively, publicly.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
20. He said he would kill people. Your 99.99% is an assumption.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:31 PM
Sep 2014

Nor is it based on any evidence. Just your assumption.

My family history has taught me not to be so blasé.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
24. He killed someone in your family? Call the cops, then.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:38 PM
Sep 2014

And show them the video you have, which is evidently similar to the actual ISIS videos.

Rest easy, sport. I know you don't have any video, because you are worried that a yokel
television monkey is going to start killing people. You claim this because you are evidently among
a group of people so disquieted by ISIS killing in the name of Islam (or at least their interpretation
of it) that you simply have to lump loudmouthed Christians in as well.

Until you have video of American Christians killing actual people on video with messages directly mocking
President Obama, you are speaking rectally. And that is a simple matter of fact. DD clowns are free to
say anything, but that pales in comparison to what ISIS IS ACTUALLY DOING, AND WOULD HAPPILY DO TO
YOU AND ME.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
44. There is zero risk of Christians doing what ISIS is doing.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 06:21 PM
Sep 2014

I live in the real world that can disdain zealous Christians while being concerned about ISIS. If you don't, that's your lookout.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
70. Tell that to the thousands and thousands of "infidels" they slaughtered.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:37 PM
Sep 2014

But then, if it's Christian holy killings, why....that never happens, and even if it did, it was a longlonglong time ago, and it could never evereverever happen now? Right?

Ermmmmm...wrong. Northern Ireland, Christians killing Christians. Not so long ago.

Operation Iraqi Liberation, a number of PNAC types casting it as a crusade against Islsm. People including those among the White House and Pentagon staffs.

Christians can be just as evil as ISIS. History proves it.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
66. BS. There is a HUGE risk. Christian Reconstructionists advocate a return
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:40 PM
Sep 2014

to stonings per Leviticus. And these days whenever you hear a public figure wanting to put religion into government, they are very likely a Christian Reconstructionist.

They don't want people to know what they are really about, but they do have a very dark agenda.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
88. He said he would kill Isis members
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:24 PM
Sep 2014

Big difference. They deserve to die before they kill again.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
30. I think, given absence of punishment from law, he absolutely would
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:58 PM
Sep 2014

ISIS and Robertson exist in different conditions - ISIS exists in a place beyond the possibility of law controlling their actions, Robertson does not.

Put Robertson in a lawless scenario. strip the possibility of legal punishment for his actions. What happens?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
32. I am not even sure what the hell you're trying to say.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:10 PM
Sep 2014

Try to understand this: ISIS IS KILLING PEOPLE BY BEHEADING. ON VIDEO. WARNING THE PRESIDENT. MOCKING THE PRESIDENT. THREATENING MORE.

What you THINK someone would do in a completely made-up and stupid scenario has no bearing on anything. Not to mention that ISIS is killing people indiscriminately, whereas the DD clown IS TALKING ABOUT KILLING ISIS MEMBERS.

Are you defending ISIS by claiming someone here would do the same thing? If so, that's stupid. Are you claiming that the DD morons are murderous thugs looking for a chance to kill people on tape? If so, that's also stupid. It's possible to say that you don't like something without lumping it together with other things you don't like just so no one can call you inconsistent. Jesus.
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
36. Yes, I'm totally defending ISIS, yup yup, you got me!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:47 PM
Sep 2014


I'm saying that without laws that would punish them, I think these fundie freaks would be taking action that mirror the fundie freaks out on northwest iraq. Not that they ARE doing so, but that the same mentality is present.The same gay-hating, war-mongering, my-god-trumps-your-life outlook on reality, he same paranoia that anyone who dares believe differently is out to "get them," etc.

Basically the only barrier between these kooks deciding they need to saw off a few heads of their own, is the well-placed fear that htey will be caught and punished for doing so.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
37. So if stuff wasn't illegal, people would do illegal stuff.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:52 PM
Sep 2014

Got it.

And you KNOW this because...well...you just do.

Oh, and ONLY the Duck Dynasty guys would go on this murderous rampage if only murder was legal. Wow...a whole criminal
justice system erected to guard against the murderous intentions of one family. We are so lucky someone caught on.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
40. You are making a concerted effort to miss the point entirely
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 06:12 PM
Sep 2014

Robertson's position isn't that ISIS should die for doing all the horrible things they've done. Rather they should die if they didn't convert to his religion. convert them or kill them.

Now I guess that kind of outlook is fine with you. Why else would you be defending a gigantic homophobe who recommends marriage to a fourteen year old because the bible says so who is talking about killing people (albeit in this instance bad people) if they don't convert to his religion.

But it bothers me greatly. And it's a pretty common refrain from all stripes of religious fundamentalists, this call to inflict violence to ensure their own religious dominance. And in every situation where these sort of people manage to find a niche away from the law or below its radar, they engage in the most grotesque sort of abuses they can, in hte name of that religion of theirs.

So yes, I think, in the absence of laws to punish him for it, Phil Robertson would be killing "infidels," stoning gays, and fucking little girls to his heart's content. and no, not just him and his family, but a very broad swath of people in this nation, adherents of fundamentalist, freakshow versions of whatever cockamamie religion they follow. They keep telling us that this is the shit htye want, maybe we ought to get it through our heads that maybe that's actually what they want.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
41. I don't agree.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 06:15 PM
Sep 2014

So I assume in this Purge Paradise of yours, you'd kill me.

Look: ISIS is murdering thousands of people. We don't really have time to play patty-cake pretend about what would happen if there were no laws.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
59. What in the world are you even on about?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:11 PM
Sep 2014
So I assume in this Purge Paradise of yours, you'd kill me.




Look: ISIS is murdering thousands of people. We don't really have time to play patty-cake pretend about what would happen if there were no laws.


The point continues to be un-gotten, and with a vengeance.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
90. No, it wasn't. That's what the article makes it looks like he said, but the article is deceptive.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:11 AM
Sep 2014

(I suspect intentionally deceptive).

What he actually said was that ISIS - specifically ISIS, not anyone else - should be killed or converted to Christianity.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
96. No. Your assumption is not borne out by the video.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:13 AM
Sep 2014

At no time did he specifically exclude other varieties of non-Fundagelical Christians.

He said it in a conversation about ISIS, but did not specifically restrict it to them.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. I have to agree that this thread is hyperbolic in the extreme.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 06:57 PM
Sep 2014

It's comparing assholes to murderers, and there is a difference.

One is all talk, no walk, and the other have sharp knives and are using them.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
56. oh no...we learned that there will soon be a Duck Dynasty Crusade
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:03 PM
Sep 2014

I didn't see that coming.

So we should be thankful for that info.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
62. I never paid attention to those DD blowhards in the first place.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:24 PM
Sep 2014

I "deliberately" eschewed them (like I paid attention before that) when they started acting like crazed asswipes and their "empire" lost a fortune, aren't I a bandwagoneer!

Why is anyone giving those cretins the time of day, I wonder?

I think the best reaction to anything they say is "Who cares what YOU think?"

riqster

(13,986 posts)
71. Actually, people DO care what he thinks.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:49 PM
Sep 2014

Idiotic, lemming-esque, stupid people, yes. Teabaggers. Fundagelical loons.

But enough of them following a fake redneck pied piper is not a risk to brush off.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
72. I'm not one of those, and I'm not going to concern myself too much with morons!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:55 PM
Sep 2014

I'll just point and mock...as needed!

riqster

(13,986 posts)
75. Lots of brownshirts and similar thugs were morons.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:27 PM
Sep 2014

Give them the right leader, and they can be lethal.

Mockery is good. Mockery alone is not always enough. When the talk turns to murder, a line is crossed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
78. That asswipe isn't the "right leader." He's a loser and no one watches that stupid show anymore.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/aes-duck-dynasty-falls-to-lowest-ratings-in-13-months-1201068399/

As the article notes, when they were on their game, they were as popular as TRADING SPACES (aka CHANGING ROOMS in UK). Who even remembers that show anymore?

To everything there is a season, and I smell rotten duck.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
82. "No one"? Incorrect.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:01 PM
Sep 2014

Don't discount the destructive potential of a bunch of heavily-armed, easily-gulled nitwits. 8.5 million of them watched just one episode.

Walk around rural America and see how many bits and bobs of DD merchandise you see. Observe the class warfare aspect of the show and its marketing campaigns.

And then consider the "patriarch" and his calls for intolerance, hatred, and revolution.

Those "nobodies" can fuck America's shit right up if all we do is play into their manipulators's hands by sneering.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
85. Everyplace I've seen that merchandise, it is "DD"= Deeply Discounted!!!!!
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:10 PM
Sep 2014

They can't give it away!

Sneering takes too much psychic energy. I think IGNORING is the way to go...!

"Trading Spaces" after all....

Efilroft Sul

(3,579 posts)
9. Good thing the ISIS guys cover their faces.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:01 PM
Sep 2014

That way, I can tell who's the American extremist and who's the Islamic extremist when the gunfight happens.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
17. This is a classic example of taking remarks out of context to misrepresent them, I'm afraid.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:51 PM
Sep 2014

The person who wrote this clearly wants to trick the reader into thinking that Robertson was threatening non-Christians in general.

In fact, he was talking specifically about ways of dealing with ISIS. I don't agree with his inclusion of "convert them" as an option - I think the only way of dealing with ISIS will be to kill at least some of them, and I think religious coercion is both contemptible and pointless - but he wasn't saying what the writer wants to mislead you into thinking.


riqster

(13,986 posts)
22. Threatening to kill people for not converting is a serious matter.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:35 PM
Sep 2014

It is unwise to minimize such hate speech.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
25. I think hating ISIS is a good and healthy thing.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:38 PM
Sep 2014

And - although you wouldn't know it from reading the OP - they are the only people Robertson was talking about killing or converting.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
27. What ISIS does is kill and coerce innocent people
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:44 PM
Sep 2014

Threatening to kill members of ISIS is not acting like them; threatening to force them to convert, while several steps further in that direction than I'm comfortable with, is not acting like them either.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
91. I say we should kill members of ISIS too.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:15 AM
Sep 2014

Ideally not all of them - if they can be persuaded to surrender and/or back down, great - but I think a good deal of military force would probably be needed to achieve that.

That's not to say I necessarily favour all-out war against ISIS, but the only reasons I don't are the risk of innocent civilians being killed in the crossfire, the risk of decent soldiers on the other side being killed by them, and the financial cost, not the fact that people who have chosen to take up arms to fight for ISIS would be killed.

Now, in fairness, Robertson does appear to be saying that we should kill or forcibly convert all members of ISIS, take-no-prisoners, and I think that that is unethically & illegally (and impractically) bloodthirsty. But it's a long, long way from advocating killing innocent people.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
97. The problem is the assumption that he is only talking about the combat personnel of ISIS.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:17 AM
Sep 2014

An unsafe assumption, based on his past utterances on the topic of Islam.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
101. That's not an assumption, it's a fact, albeit one the article OP tries to conceal.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:36 PM
Sep 2014

He may also *think* that we should forcibly kill or convert other people as well.

But what he said was fairly explicitly that we should deal harshly with "this group", in a discussion of ISIS.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
28. People like this
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:45 PM
Sep 2014

are one of the main reasons why many Americans have been scared away from religion. It's a shame, too, because there are some good parts of each religion, and most people of faith do not behave like this. At least with me and every other faith-minded person I know, we basically live and let live. As long as a person isn't bothering anyone else, who cares what he or she believes? But people like Phil "Rubber Ducky" Robertson and the Isis crowd give all of religion a bad name and fail miserably in properly following the teachings of their respective religions. All these fundamentalists want to do is control people's lives and berate you if you don't believe like how they do.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
31. After reading this thread through it is more than obvious that some though obviously intelligent
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:07 PM
Sep 2014

In some areas easily disprove it by implying that someone with an obvious hero worship going on from masses of people will not find out some day that one of those adoring fans might just cross the line of what would be in most circles criminal behavior...

How many times has violence against fellow human beings for no other reason beyond differences being pronounced evil or unworthy stated to be truth by a person another almost comes to worship occurred?

Far too many too count.....

Regardless of whether the Duck matriarch would actually kill another person that he obviously stated on camera that he would do, to the worshiper, it has and could easily become a call to arms that another will hear loud and clear and act upon right or wrong in another's eyes...

It is not wise to ignore this loud mouth, nor is it the first time he preached hate against others is nothing more than his so called Gods name....

In retrospect he is no better than the one that swings the sword, his hands would be stained with the same blood another could spill in his name....

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
34. Odd how Biden can say he'll take them to the gates of hell
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:24 PM
Sep 2014

and that's cool, but Robertson says he'd convert OR kill them, and that's evil or something.

Weird.

So since I haven't seen any howling about what Biden said, I assume that KILLING ISIS is just fine.
But CONVERTING THEM? Why, that's just WRONG, MISTER!!



AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
38. Who here is denying the horrific crimes of ISIS ? You can post the little laughing dude all you like
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:53 PM
Sep 2014

It does not change the fact that the Duck Matriarch loudly and without filter stated he would Kill another if he could not change his religious beliefs.

And since I have no doubt of your true intelligence, you cannot ignore that people have been murdered and or beaten as well as mentally abused all because someone that another admired heard them preach at one time or another that someone that either looks different, acts different or lives their life differently than what's another considers the norm is undeserving as well as evil which can be the only belief needed to so blatantly hurt another..

Being aware of factual history and filtered non-fictional accounts should encourage any and all of humanity to beware of repeating obvious past horrors, it's too bad that for the most part humans would much rather revel in the fly by night so called historical non fictional accounts that continue to be available and labeled as fact.....

In my mind, he easily fits the bill of those reveling on the false narrative, more than likely because of his own criminal past which his belief helps him to feel as if it has all been forgiven...

For the most part humanity is more than riddled with the self serving....

As far as Bin Laden, I still and cannot help but question much of the rhetoric, after all it is not even hidden that our country not only trained him but aided in arming him and his followers as well...

Such knowledge makes especially difficult to demand true justice considering all involved.


One more thing, far too many Americans believe all Muslims to be the very essence of evil incarnate and act accordingly when they run into those that freely express their Personell religious beliefs....Ducks words only enforce the hate, fear and mistrust of those they simply just do not have the mindset or patience to understand ...

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
39. The reason I'm laughing at this RIDICULOUS FUCKING THREAD
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 06:00 PM
Sep 2014

is that the guy pretty clearly said he would like to kill ISIS. Not "everyone." Not the Americans
of his choosing. Not you. Not me. But ISIS.

Yeah, that's what he said. I know you don't like him, I don't care for him either, but it doesn't change
the fact that he was talking about killing or converting ISIS.

(I know, I know...this realization is so disappointing that you just HAVE to say, well...well...well...he'd kill
Americans if he only COULD! But that's not the argument, and I don't really even accept that.)

What you think about the silly-assed DD crew is worthless compared to what ISIS is actually, actively doing
now. What you THINK someone will do doesn't mean a damned thing compared to what someone else is
ACTUALLY doing.

If you have video of American Christofascists (or whatever the sexy name for them is) beheading random people
for show, please link to it. Otherwise GMAFB.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
52. Why is it so important to you to whitewash the violent hate speech of a RW extremist?
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 06:51 PM
Sep 2014

In a world of dreams, perhaps one can afford to pretend that violent speech does not lead to violent actions.

Those of us who are awake know better.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
61. Crap.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:18 PM
Sep 2014

Their loved ones were killed because people like you (and John McCain, and others) once went out of their way to pretend that the nascent ISIL weren't all that bad, really, they wouldn't actually do bad evil things, and even if they did, why they would never do them to us.

You want to keep it from happening again? Wipe ISIL from the face of the Earth, AND stamp out the next gang of theological mass murderers BEFORE they repeat the crimes of the past.

Those who will not learn from the mistakes of history are fated to repeat them.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
77. Nope. Nowhere did I say that.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:49 PM
Sep 2014

You use the appearance of being obtuse as a debating tool. Not the first time I have encountered it. Nor are you the best at it.

However, you have served a valuable purpose here: by demonstrating your lack of a rebuttal, you helped strengthen my case. And by not presenting a cogent counter-argument (hint: ROFL smilies are not cogent theses) you further demonstrate the utter lack of refutation available to you.

Plus, hey, the post count got bumped up by your "efforts". Sweet dreams, Dreamer. Here's hoping that when you eventually awaken, reality is not too bad of a shock for you.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
80. WTF??? You STARTED THE THREAD.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

You said Phil wants to kill non converters. You're kind of full of it.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
84. Yes, he does.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:06 PM
Sep 2014

He said so. On camera. Tape rolling. Link provided for your edification and verification.

I'm kinda not at all full of it. But then, I'm not the one who is dreaming here.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
87. He was talking about ISIS and you know it.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:14 PM
Sep 2014

And I know you know it.

ISIS will kill you. Duck Dynasty wants you to buy their crap. Learn the difference.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
94. Try to keep your conversations straight.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:07 AM
Sep 2014

You accused me of wanting to murder DD. I called BS on that.

This response of yours covers another subthread.

How do you expect me to take someone seriously when they can't even keep track of their own thoughts?

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
60. And I'm not laughing because I know for a fact that though you and I heard the ISIS organization but
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:15 PM
Sep 2014

Far too many of his adoring fans heard and loudly "I'd kill those daggum Muslims if they refuse to change!" Now that my friend is the sad reality that for the most part the ones that adore Granddaddy Duck hear only what they want to hear, I should know, I know a lot of them personally .its a precarious friendship I have with many, in many instances their obvious personnel prejudices leave them with an almost childlike thought process.....

And why in the world would you think I hate a man I do not even personally know, I distrust his politics after hearing him preach his views, hate? A very strong word that does not yet apply as you have stated, a bunch of fake hillbilly good ole boys that I personally feel if it wasn't so profitable would eagerly shave off those ratty beards....

I don't need a video to realize what could happen, history is a marvelous and excellent guide to aid in figuring such out...

I truly hope they find the "individual" guilty of those horrific crimes but as history has taught the guilty of such high profile political crimes usually don't have to pay the price, I hope on this case more innocents do not find they are the ones paying for another's crime..

Our own violent history has taught us much, anyone regardless of nationality, race or gender can be and has been guilty if equally horrific crimes, some even worse...

I can name cases if you'd like, hate crimes, many many, that have occurred simply because another denounced one as sick and or evil or both and did not deserve mercy, some made sure they never received it...



riqster

(13,986 posts)
58. Mass reply to all the "Phil wouldn't really act on his speech" posters:
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:07 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Phil Robertson also advocates the practice of statuatory rape: marrying girls who are well below the age of consent. Girls of 14, maybe 15. True, yes?

Phil Robertson also DID have sex with and marry a very young teenaged girl.

So I think we can say that this man DOES ACT UPON THE WORDS HE UTTERS. He has done so, and that is a matter of historical record.

C'mon people, wake up. You think Christians can't be evil monsters? Gimme a friggin' break.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
63. He also fessed up to beating his wife and young sons.... Thanx be to Jesus he is a saved man....
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:25 PM
Sep 2014

Point being, he is quite capable of violence and rage as well as hate.....

WORDS matter, actions come later more often then not, i wonder why we have peace bonds issued? Perhaps because even the law realizes that such is needed even without having to show proof of intent via video access....

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
64. Two sides of the same coin it seems.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 07:33 PM
Sep 2014

To Phil Robertson's credit though, he hasn't beheaded anyone yet...that we know of.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
67. True. But the longer he receives support for his hate speech...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:18 PM
Sep 2014

...the more likely he'll be to take that as approval. Hannity and his cohort are helping to create a zeitgeist of Fundagelical violence.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
79. As a Presbyterian, I take exception to your statement.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

"Christians" aren't bad, "Muslims" aren't bad. Broad characterizations like that are specious at best and defamatory at worst.

But when someone uses the rhetoric of their "enemy" as Ducky did, he should be called out for hypocrisy and violent incitement. Faith be hanged, Robertson purposes killing those who will not convert to his faith.

Just like ISIL. The only difference is, DD hasn't killed anybody yet.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
86. Then you admit he said he would kill ISIS, not you.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:12 PM
Sep 2014

Which is not as provocative as your misleading OP, but of course you can't admit fault now. There's too much work to do now, what with preventing the Duck Dynasty Crusade.

I get it, trust me. It is hard to say a word against Islamistswithout feeling the need to lump in Christians, even though Christians aren't doing squat. Calling it like it is requires courage. It's ok to not have any, but that not license to make up your own facts.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
98. Relax, have a waffle. Robertson is an abject coward. Saw lots of that type
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:21 AM
Sep 2014

in desert storm. Mainly politicians making their tours. All talk and ready to wet their pants at the first sign of trouble. As for ISIS, bunch of gangbangers with a talent for theatrics. Kill the financiers for example, say Prince Bandar.

Make it clear if you handle ISIS money you are a viable target.
Watch how fast they dry up.

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