Al-shahab's #1 leader deprived of due process by drone

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in extra-judicial targeted killing.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/pentagon-al-shabab-leader-ahmed-abdi-godane-killed-25263449

Where does Rand Paul stand on this?

[The Magistrate]

1. Strikes Me as About All The Process He Was Due, Sir....

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3. Indeed. He has been processed. nt

[11 Bravo]

24. And it was "due". Hell, it was overdue!

[Octafish]

25. One day soon, Sir, failing to think the official response may lead to arrest.

Word on the USA PATRIOT Act from Marcy Wheeler/Salon, via Alternet:

Congress may be preparing to reinforce two horrible FISA Court decisions and an abusive government search with no debate in the coming weeks: a decision to give national security orders unlimited breadth, one making it legal for the government to investigate Americans for activities protected under the First Amendment, and the FBI’s “back door” searches of Americans’ communication content collected under the FISA Amendment Act Section 702 authority.

http://www.alternet.org/patriot-acts-absurd-new-spawn-just-when-you-thought-it-couldnt-get-any-worse

Would someone who doesn't buy the "drone is OK" legal theory, like me, become an enemy of the state? If so, fucking hell we've fallen.

[The Magistrate]

26. While I Do Not Like The Surveillance Policy, Sir

I am not particularly alarmed by it, nor do I see it as much of a real change.

In my experience, calling attention to yourself as a proponent of revolution, as an active opponent of the government, or an active supporter of forces at war with the government, or being in much of any way associated with people who do, will get you looked at closely. Nowadays, that look can be more easily performed, and be a bit more thorough, but this is not a real difference.

[kentuck]

2. Shhhhh...

Don't let the Repubs know this was the ringleader of the deadly mall attack in Kenya a few months ago. He ran but he couldn't hide.

[951-Riverside]

4. OOOH RAH!!!!! WAR BABY!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

I think we can all agree that giving the government the power to assassinate "threats" including Americans without any oversight won't be abused in any way. Its not like they would ever drone attack Occupy leadership.

That is just silly fear mongering spread by these so-called civil liberty types. We are at war, we were attacked on 9/11 and there are people out there actively plotting way to attack us for our freedoms.

All bets are off when it comes to taking down terrorist scum. I applaud President Bush and now President Obama for not cowering in fear but instead doing what needed to be done to keep us safe and free.

God bless them and God bless the United states of America

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5. If people objected to Al awlaki

not sure why they would approve of this . . .

[gratuitous]

8. You betcha!

I feel safer and freer already! That superannuated language from a quaint old document isn't fit for the robust, he-man foreign policy we need to navigate today's perilous world.

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11. So given your sarcasm you view this action

as a generally negative development as it represents basically state-sanctioned murder?

[gratuitous]

14. Sarcasm?

Why would you ever think such a thing? My goodness, I'm just glad we're blasting people to Kingdom Come because that's how the exceptionally exceptional United States maintains its standing as the World's Last Superpower. Besides, I'm pretty sure this guy I've never heard of presented an existential threat to the United States and was really, really bad, so he didn't deserve any human rights. I'm also pretty sure I'll never be subject to the same treatment, so it's for the best in this best of all possible worlds for the Last Superpower. So many respectable and respected voices say the very same thing!

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16. Try googling his name.

Perhaps then you can make a more precise calibration of the likelihood that you would be viewed and treated similarly by the USG.

Maybe you can urge a war crimes prosecution for Obama for such a terrible crime against a totally harmless individual.

[gratuitous]

21. Jeez, you just can't agree with some people

No matter how wrong their position is.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

13. Yes, most of that is indeed obviously true.

Certainly, the possibility of the government ordering drone strikes on Occupy leadership is indeed just silly fear mongering, although I'm not sure I've heard anyone other than you spreading it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. Yes; but ...

it COULD happen ... Just like all the other alarmist B.S. spread here.

Something bad happens, DU screams DO something ... we must be avenged. Something is done ... we how terrible, next it'll happen to ME (because of my anonymous message postings).

[OilemFirchen]

17. "Its (sic) not like they would ever drone attack Occupy leadership."

Correct. Was that snark?

[Chathamization]

23. I’ll join your cheering, but I reserve the right to say we didn’t do anything to them if they attack

us five years from now. At that time, I’ll say that we were peacefully minding our own business when they launched an unprovoked attack because they hate our freedoms and want virgins.

But for the time being, YEAAAAH! USA!

[NCTraveler]

6. Was he a US citizen? Doesn't seem to be. nt.

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7. I don't think the rules on targeted killings

should differ that much based on place of birth. Due process is a human right.

[NCTraveler]

9. I do get what you are saying just not sure I agree at this moment.

I believe that due process under US law should be afforded to all citizens. I am not ready to say that is the case for non-US citizens. I am fully opposed to judgment being executed on US citizens without due process. That is why I find Hagel's comments to be nothing short of terrifying. I truly think his comments are building to something right around the corner.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025487200

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12. "Due process" is a very elastic concept.

I would argue that a non-American in NYC or Ferguson is due much more process than terrorist leaders surrounded by henchmen in the lawless regions of Yemen or Somalia.

[NCTraveler]

15. I would argue that anyone on US soil is due due process.

Much more so than a "henchmen in the lawless regions of Yemen or Somalia". I do not trust the govt enough to accept execution of citizens of the US on word alone, in Yemen or on US soil. I think we should demand more than that. At this moment, I do extend "trust" to the govt to deal with extreme radical groups. <- Really not exactly what I want to say but close enough to feel I am making my point.

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18. There should be a transparent process governing this.

Executive shouldn't be forced to create standards while expected to police itself. What could go wrong?

But that would require Congress to do something besides voting to repeal Obamacare.

[NCTraveler]

19. While I do think the Executive Branch...

While I do think the Executive Branch could do so much better at creating their own standards and policing themselves, I agree with you completely. Standards and oversight should have already been set by the do-nothingers. There is no transparency. When one group has the power they tend to keep and expand upon that power. Really wish we had a congress to reign em in.

[Itchinjim]

10. Fuck em both

[Nye Bevan]

20. Even terrorist leaders are entitled to due process

provided they arrange for a peaceful surrender and give themselves up to the authorities.

[jberryhill]

28. +1

[conservaphobe]

22. I don't have to fill out paperwork before I take out the trash.

So I don't expect it of others.