Is ISIS going to put millions of children out of their homes, homeless and starving?

[J_J_]

I don't understand how someone like Elizabeth Warren could say ISIS is our biggest threat?

The war drained all of our resources to help the people made unemployed by free trade agreements,no one helped the homeless and starving created by fradulent bankers stealing homes through illegal foreclosures...we can't even help veterans created by the last war.

POVERTY IS OUR BIGGEST ENEMY.

And the people purposely creating poverty for millions in this nation by their own greed and sociopathy.

Koch brothers speculating on gas, for instance, tripling the cost of gas for everyone, affecting the cost of food and heat....they are the enemy, not ISIS.

I cannot believe anyone would buy into the military industrial complex bullshit...yet again......

[Trajan]

1. I'm thinking ...

That those who chop the heads off of innocent human beings are, in some essential manner, my enemy ...

Is it possible to have more than one 'enemy' simultaneously? ... I think yes is the answer ...

[J_J_]

2. chopping heads is worse than shooting unarmed US citizens for no reason?

We have a problem with cops shooting unarmed innocent people for no reason and walking away with a free vacation.

Murder is murder, no matter how you do it.

[stevenleser]

3. Yes. Because ISIS is doing it to thousands of people per week. nt

[J_J_]

4. Saddam was putting people in people shredders,and had a suitcase nuke in your backyard

The media is a bunch of fucking liars and they are lying again...big surprise!

[stevenleser]

6. There is video. Iran is on board. Everyone in the region is on board. Not all things are the same

I understand it is human nature to try to string events together and apply a level of sameness to them to aid with understanding. What you need to do is evaluate each situation and determine whether it really is the same or not.

This is not the same as Iraq and with just a little bit of analysis, that becomes obvious.

[J_J_]

7. vidoes are created for a purpose, sometimes as propaganda

I cannot believe any thinking person would believe the US media, and believe after everything that has happened, that they care about Iraqis or anyone.

the GOP blamed poor people for all the money they wasted in Iraq killing millions of innocents after lying in order to bomb them, then hurt the American people even more with cuts to important programs

These is not about ISIS, this is about power, control and making more money at the expense of everything else in our nation.

I cannot believe that anyone believes this load of crap unless they are paid to pretend so.

[stevenleser]

11. Read my post #6 again. It's lazy thinking to apply sameness to issues like these.

There is enough there for you to quickly realize its not the same thing.

Remember your Arthur Conan Doyle:

“It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

Let the facts inform your theories. Not vice versa.

[J_J_]

12. I DO NOT TRUST US MEDIA

Why would anyone?

It is lazy to blindly believe what the US media tells you.

As a war criminal, still considered an honorable authority on issues by the US media, once said:

'Fool me once, shame on, shame on you, fool me twice, can't get fooled again!'

[stevenleser]

13. That is no reason to color all these issues as the same. Do the research on your own then.

If these issues are a big enough of a concern to you that you throw accusations out there, you could call the consulates and foreign ministries of the involved countries to find out what their opinion is of the issue.

I will give you a preview of what you will hear if you call the foreign ministries of Iran or Turkey or whatever. ISIS is a threat that needs to be stopped.

[J_J_]

15. NO! I don't want to be distracted by bullshit- I care about America!

unlike our congress, media and all the bullshit artists

They are a bigger threat to Americans than ISIS.

ISIS has not put millions of American school children in poverty, kicked millions of people out of their homes

[stevenleser]

17. That is a separate issue. Don't change the subject because you are losing.

if you don't trust the media for your information, get it from somewhere but get information. Don't throw out accusations against the media and against the government without having backup.

[J_J_]

21. I didn't change the subject, I started the subject

I do not believe ISIS should be in the news at all.

Why does everyone follow the lead of the proven lying corporate media?


We should be talking about more important issues right now, like holding criminals accountable.

[stevenleser]

27. You changed your own subject that we were both discussing. nt

[J_J_]

65. you tried to change the subject, I didn't let you

FAIL

[Scuba]

70. He's not losing, in fact he's up by double digits.

[J_J_]

71. Thanks!

[madville]

5. ISIS will probably be raping and killing

Hundreds of thousands of children <18 years old.

[J_J_]

9. Saddam's gonna hit us with a UAV filled with 30 year old mustard gas sold to him by the US

Niger sold Iraq yellowcake!

Do you remember the media going on about how that was a forgery, so badly done that the UN laughed at Colin Powell for presenting it?

Wrong names, wrong letterhead, but the Bush Adminstration with the help of the lying corporate media presented it as evidence to the gullable American people over and over and over again.

yeah, keep on trusting the US media....

[nationalize the fed]

22. +1. Remember Nayirah Al-Sabah

The Daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

Hill & Knowlton conducted a $1 million study to determine the best way to win support for strong action.[39] H & K had the Wirthington Group conduct focus groups to determine the best strategy that would influence public opinion. The study found that an emphasis on atrocities, particularly the incubator story, was the most effective.

[J_J_]

23. I remember it well, thank you!

Hill and Knowlton is still in business

[SidDithers]

8. Welcome to DU...

Sid

[J_J_]

10. After lying to kill millions in Iraq, lying about how great Bush is, how Obama ruined America

What exactly has the US media done to gain your trust?

[stevenleser]

14. Then do your own research. Do not throw unsubstantiated accusations around. nt

[J_J_]

20. I am accusing the media of not really caring about helping Iraqis

They celebrated the bombing of innocent Iraqis like it was a pretty fireworks show.

When millions of innocents were killed, they failed to show the horrible damage done to lives and property.

They have failed to show the babies born with organs outside of their bodies because of the depleted uranium we have spread all over their country,

They helped Bush pretend we helped Iraq, failed to pursue the billions 'lost' which was the real reason for the invasion.


Flash foward, now this media that has not pursued any injustice that is affecting millions of Americans, helps GOP pretend welfare is responsible for all the wasteful spending, hasn't exposed that the whole war in Iraq and killing of millions was based on lies and instead pretends it was a noble situation....now I'm expected to think they care about helping Iraqis?

Whatever!

You would have to be the world's biggest fucking moron to believe anything the media says about scary ISIS and how we must protect Iraqis.

Or even more laughable, that ISIS is a threat to US.




And if you did believe the media BS, you would at least realize US intervention caused the problem, so therefore US intervention will not solve the problem.

Doing same thing over and over expecting different results? Definition of insanity?

[factsarenotfair]

53. Yes, I see you haven't been here long but you understand.

It should be obvious to anyone with a brain, but sadly it isn't.

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. About the same that you've done in 87 posts to gain DU's trust. nt

[J_J_]

28. I do not believe I have lied to start a war resulting in the deaths of millions

just to make a buck

[Chathamization]

32. People across the board tend to fall in line behind the media, even in the face of facts reported by

the media itself, or in the face of their long history of laziness and deception.

Part of it is probably the Very Serious Person disease. If someone's a celebrity, if they're on TV or in print, people see them as being in the inside crowd. And they also want to be part of the "informed" crowd, where everyone knows XYZ. It doesn't matter if XYZ is garbage, if you don't believe it, you're "uninformed". There was a time when you were supposed to think Bush was an honest person, whether you agreed with him or not (and I heard many Democrats say this). Of course, being wrong on a continual basis hasn't stopped people who have the Very Serious Person disease.

It's a similar reason to why people keep on voting for Republicans that continuously screw them over.

[J_J_]

39. sounds about right

The media has John McCain on every Sunday as an expert

For God's sake, how could anyone trust those idiots anymore?

[greytdemocrat]

18. I know...

Why is anyone wasting time with this one???

[NuclearDem]

31. ...

[NightWatcher]

19. Nope, they are just the next bunch of religious wackos, taking the place of the last ones

Every time we wipe out the power structure of an area, a new group of wackos pop up and make a little noise.

ISIS is not a direct threat to anyone outside of the region.

[J_J_]

24. but somehow this time we will fix it with more intervention??

Are people really believing this bullshit or is it manufactured consent?

[NightWatcher]

25. My Professor called it our Whack a Mole Theory of International Politics and Intervention

[J_J_]

26. more like plant a mole then whack him

Bin laden worked for CIA

Saddam put in power by US

[Donald Ian Rankin]

29. You do know that the answer to that would be "yes" if they weren't fought, don't you?

To date, the number of refugees ISIS has created is probably only in the tens of thousands, but it could very easily grow.

Isis is not a major threat *to people living in the US*, but it's a massive threat to anyone living in the region.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

30. So the government you don't trust to assume control and spend billions to fight wars is a government

you DO trust to assume control and spend billions to fight poverty?

Do you always entrust your money with liars, killers and thieves so long as they promise to spend it on thing you like?

[J_J_]

34. I expect our politicians to spend our tax dollars to help Americans first

I do not believe they care about Iraq they way the US has already been treating the people there.

They didn't care about them when we bombed innocent civilians and they don't care about them now.

They want more money.

These same assholes blamed Obama for the deficit they created with military spending that we are just now climbing out of.

Now they want to do it again.


I don't think it is too much to ask that our representatives work for us to make our nation better, not the military industrial complex, making up lies and destroying lives.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. Again: You're saying what you want to see. OK, I get that but

you're also saying that it's the same crew that lied us into war this time and now even the new crew -- which was hired to replace the lying crew -- is doing the exact same thing. Obama, Biden, Warren et al don't strike me as the kind of people to wage a major propaganda campaign ala incubator stories at the behest of the MIC. If they are and they are the best a Progressive can hope for then I would think we don't have much in the way of hope.



Or maybe there really are bad people out there that need to be killed.

[J_J_]

52. "bad people out there"

are the ones who kill for profit

[MineralMan]

33. Yes, depending on where you are in the world.

They've already done so. I suppose you're talking about here in the U.S. Probably not here, but in the Middle East, yes, ISIS is doing just that.

[J_J_]

35. I don't believe the media, they are proven liars

But even if you did, don't you think we should take the log out of our own eye before we start pointing out the speck in others?

[MineralMan]

36. I'm afraid I can't see how your reply relates to what I wrote at all.

You appear not to have understood what I said at all.

[NuclearDem]

38. I think I'm beginning to sense a pattern with this one.

They seem to reply to anyone who acknowledges ISIS's crimes with that "why do you believe the media" meme.

[MineralMan]

40. I'm out of this thread. It's going nowhere.

[J_J_]

44. going nowhere, like our military interventions. Try reading "1984"

"The war was not meant to be won, it was meant to be continuous"

[J_J_]

42. why do you think the media cares and talks about ISIS and Iraqis, but not poverty in this country

Are they compassionate caring people or not?

They care about Iraqis, but not our homeless children, starving elderly, wounded veterans?

Sure.

They care about money, and money only.

Everyone believing and spreading this crap are their useful idiots, and the future generations will pay for it.

Another big FU from the boomers to future generations.

[SidDithers]

43. No Compromise!...nt

Sid

[NuclearDem]

46. Ugh.

Done.

[J_J_]

48. yes, that is how I felt when I saw pictures of babies being born in Iraq after our bombing

I am DONE WITH WAR

Iraqis no longer ask "Is it a girl or a boy"

They ask, "is it okay"

because their babies are being born with horrible deformities such as organs on the outside of their bodies,

due to depleted uranium use all over their country.


I am sure the caring media and 'prolife' warmongering GOP are falling all over themselves caring about the damage we have done to those poor babies?

[pinto]

51. That's an awfully broad brush you're using. (nt)

[J_J_]

41. we have millions in the US homeless, suffering, starving, dying

First you take a look in the mirror, look at yourself, fix yourself...then you can fix others.

[NuclearDem]

47. Until poverty is eradicated, we can't address anything else.

Got it.

[J_J_]

49. War is THE excuse to do nothing about poverty

Please listen to Dr Martin Luther king Jr. about the war on poverty and the war in Vietnam

[J_J_]

56. Martin Luther King - Beyond Vietnam

https://archive.org/details/MartinLutherKing-BeyondVietnam-1967

[J_J_]

61. ...

"Since I am a preacher by calling, I suppose it is not surprising that I have seven major reasons for bringing Vietnam into the field of my moral vision. There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I, and others, have been waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in that struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the poor -- both black and white -- through the poverty program. There were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in Vietnam, and I watched this program broken and eviscerated, as if it were some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war, and I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic destructive suction tube. So, I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such.

Perhaps a more tragic recognition of reality took place when it became clear to me that the war was doing far more than devastating the hopes of the poor at home. It was sending their sons and their brothers and their husbands to fight and to die in extraordinarily high proportions relative to the rest of the population. We were taking the black young men who had been crippled by our society and sending them eight thousand miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which they had not found in southwest Georgia and East Harlem. And so we have been repeatedly faced with the cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them together in the same schools. And so we watch them in brutal solidarity burning the huts of a poor village, but we realize that they would hardly live on the same block in Chicago. I could not be silent in the face of such cruel manipulation of the poor.

My third reason moves to an even deeper level of awareness, for it grows out of my experience in the ghettoes of the North over the last three years -- especially the last three summers. As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they ask -- and rightly so -- what about Vietnam? They ask if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent. "

[J_J_]

62. wish Obama felt this way about his peace prize

"Now, it should be incandescently clear that no one who has any concern for the integrity and life of America today can ignore the present war. If America's soul becomes totally poisoned, part of the autopsy must read: Vietnam. It can never be saved so long as it destroys the deepest hopes of men the world over. So it is that those of us who are yet determined that America will be -- are -- are led down the path of protest and dissent, working for the health of our land.

As if the weight of such a commitment to the life and health of America were not enough, another burden of responsibility was placed upon me in 1954; and I cannot forget that the Nobel Peace Prize was also a commission, a commission to work harder than I had ever worked before for "the brotherhood of man."

[lame54]

45. I'm disappointed with her reaction

[J_J_]

50. Oh thank God!

Nice to see a few thoughtful, peaceful souls out there- thank you!

[J_J_]

54. Dick Cheney Tells GOP It's Time To Restart The Iraq War Machine' - HuffPo

strange bedfellows

[Initech]

55. No our unregulated, predatory banking and financial industry does that on a daily basis.

[J_J_]

63. exactly

I join your

[pampango]

57. Not in the US, but yes. n/t

[JEB]

58. I hope all you pukes with a boner for war are enlisting. Pronto.

[malaise]

59. How many millions did Bushco put out of their homes

slaughter, torture and displace?
How many millions are still facing the disaster that was the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq?

[J_J_]

64. seriously

but we want to go back and bomb Iraqis again, because we care about them so much!

[malaise]

67. O I L

is the only reason. Oil and the neo-con perpetual war.

[flamingdem]

60. The Gulf States have to cough up for this war

or they'll watch Isis knock down the gates.

We can't afford it and they can.

[JEB]

66. The Saudis are well armed thanks to us. Let them handle this one.

[eridani]

68. The Gulf States are already coughing up--for ISIS n/t

[GeorgeGist]

69. Her roots are red.

[J_J_]

72. Okay Poverty and the Corporate Media are our biggest enemy

And apathy.