NFL commissioner Goodell does not rule out Ray Rice return to football: ‘He has paid the price’

[Beaverhausen]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/nfl-commissioner-goodell-does-not-rule-out-ray-rice-return-to-football-he-has-paid-the-price/

National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell suggested he would consider reinstating former Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice in an interview with CBS News.

CBS This Morning host Norah O’Donnell posted statements from her interview with Goodell Tuesday evening, including one remark by Goodell saying he felt Rice “has paid the price” for his apparent attack against then-fiancee Janay Palmer this past February:

Rice was “suspended indefinitely” from the league and fired from the Ravens after TMZ posted security camera footage of him knocking Palmer out in a New Jersey casino hotel.

more at the link

[kcjohn1]

1. Hate zero tolerance

I think NFL is very cynical organization out for themselves only with no regard to the public or its players. Anyone who contributes a cent to NFL should really reevaluate and determine if they want to contribute to the exploitation of peoples health (players).

That said, I also hate this "zero tolerance" approach to everything. What Rice did was wrong, and he should be punished. However, I don't see how banishing someone from their livelihood for first time offense makes any sense. If you and I committed a crime, the expectation is once I serve my time/punishment, person is able to make amends, and be part of society again.

[leftstreet]

2. Was he charged? Did he serve time, fines?

[Jenoch]

3. I don't know about fines,

but it is my understwnding he is in a first time offender diversionary program and is undergoing anger management and other counseling. If he is law abiding and follows through with treatment, after a year the conviction will be vacated.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. He was charged with third degree aggravated assault

Like many first time offenders, he worked out a deal that involved a non-prison therapeutic / rehabilitative program, the completion of which would wipe the conviction from his record.

[edgineered]

5. One of our crewmembers

on our swamp buggy team sounds just like you. This weekend when he comes around and says what you just did, and he will, I will simply ask him, "How's your mom?"

He's tough but I'm not worried. He'll think about it for a minute and then he'll get get the point.

[dilby]

4. I think everyone deserves a second chance to an extent.

Pedophiles and rapist not so much but I do think pretty much everyone else deserves a second chance, if they have paid their debt to society or have served their punishment by their organization.

[Beaverhausen]

7. please consider removing the "B" word from your post

otherwise your whole post will be deleted.

edit- told ya so!

[geek tragedy]

15. 3 people voted to keep it. but we don't have a misogyny problem here.

On Tue Sep 9, 2014, 06:08 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Rice dragged her out like a bag of trash.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5511608

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

calls a victim of domestic violence a "gold digging bitch"

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Sep 9, 2014, 06:16 PM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alerter: this post is inappropriate in the extreme. Hide. I could have left it, if the poster had not talked about the woman this awful way. But as it is, HIDE.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry, I disagree with Juror #2
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm voting to leave it alone for a couple of reasons.

First, the poster's avatar -- this is a football fan. That should be brought into the mix. Football is a violent sport, and that culture of contained/controlled violence spills over, not just into the players' private lives but into the spectators' lives and perspectives.

Second, I think there's room in the discussion for the members to deal with the sentiments expressed. I don't like the language used either, and I'm not sure I agree with the assessment. But I'm also not sure I disagree. We're able to joke and sneer and wink at a "trophy wife" but women are called names because they look for a partner who can offer them wealth, status, prestige? That's part of the double standard that applies here.

And third, maybe someone will bring up the fact that it's all going to hinge on how much the NFL stands to make, in cold hard cash, from Ray Rice. They let Michael Vick back in, didn't they?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: She is a victim, and that comment was uncalled for. Victims of domestic violence are often more afraid of the abuser than of anything else. You know nothing about her.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alerter.

[alp227]

21. "I disagree with Juror #2 " What the hell?

Sheesh. I've believed for a long time that Freepers, Conservative Cavemen, and other disruptors sign up to serve on juries dishonestly and make DU look bad...boom. Looks like here's a smoking gun.

[Cha]

22. Yeah, what was that shite.. "I disagree with Juror #2" like this is some kind of joke?!

[nomorenomore08]

25. That was a bizarre response. #1, how could he/she know beforehand how the other juror voted?

#2, they both voted to leave. So where's the disagreement?

[Cha]

24. Right.. no misogynists on DU.. :( And, what's that idiocy about "Sorry, I disagree with Juror #2"?

Especially since they're both idiots. Thank goodness for the Four Hides.

[Capt. Obvious]

9. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

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On Tue Sep 9, 2014, 06:08 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Rice dragged her out like a bag of trash.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5511608

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

calls a victim of domestic violence a "gold digging bitch"

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 9, 2014, 06:16 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alerter: this post is inappropriate in the extreme. Hide. I could have left it, if the poster had not talked about the woman this awful way. But as it is, HIDE.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry, I disagree with Juror #2
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm voting to leave it alone for a couple of reasons.

First, the poster's avatar -- this is a football fan. That should be brought into the mix. Football is a violent sport, and that culture of contained/controlled violence spills over, not just into the players' private lives but into the spectators' lives and perspectives.

Second, I think there's room in the discussion for the members to deal with the sentiments expressed. I don't like the language used either, and I'm not sure I agree with the assessment. But I'm also not sure I disagree. We're able to joke and sneer and wink at a "trophy wife" but women are called names because they look for a partner who can offer them wealth, status, prestige? That's part of the double standard that applies here.

And third, maybe someone will bring up the fact that it's all going to hinge on how much the NFL stands to make, in cold hard cash, from Ray Rice. They let Michael Vick back in, didn't they?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: She is a victim, and that comment was uncalled for. Victims of domestic violence are often more afraid of the abuser than of anything else. You know nothing about her.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alerter.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[elehhhhna]

11. Who did OJ play for? Maybe they want to pick this guy up.

[Capt. Obvious]

12. Poor OJ

While he's locked up he's prevented from looking for the real killer.

While the Juice is in prison the real killer is roaming golf courses free.

[elehhhhna]

14. Hey! Maybe Rice was the killer!

[dsc]

20. He played for the Bills for most of his pro career

that said, I don't think he was married to Nicole during that time, though I might be wrong on that.

[nomorenomore08]

26. No, and it wouldn't have been possible anyway, given he was ~15 years older. n/t

[City Lights]

8. He's paid the price? Already?

Wow, that was fast!

[nc4bo]

13. Beat me to it.

Just wtf?!?

[Generic Brad]

19. I suspect he was terminated because he lied to the NFL and Ravens management

If both organizations were serious about domestic violence, he and his ilk would have been booted from the league on the first offense - especially one captured on film.

My feeling about all of this is that they all wanted to believe his b.s. explanation and sweep it under the rug with a bogus contrition presser and a two game suspension. But once TMZ aired the actual incident, his story fell apart and the higher ups were embarrassed for getting caught in a half assed investigation that was never intended to get to the truth. The big shots were exposed, so someone had to take the fall and they fired Ray Rice.

[elehhhhna]

10. The NFL is a tax-exempt organization so they're being charitable. Its' what they do.

lol

[bullwinkle428]

17. I brought up Michael Vick yesterday. Won't be shocked if this asshole

is back in an NFL uniform before the end of the season.

[davidn3600]

23. No question in my mind he'll play in the league again

He'll go to counseling. He'll keep his nose clean. His wife will continue to support him. He'll apologize over and over again. The fury with the public will calm down (as it did with the Vick). And someone is going to need a running back and will be willing to give him a shot.

We've seen this cycle before many times. It's not new.