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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:40 AM Sep 2014

Harvard Business School’s Role in Widening Inequality

http://www.nationofchange.org/harvard-business-school-s-role-widening-inequality-1410702642

No institution is more responsible for educating the CEOs of American corporations than Harvard Business School – inculcating in them a set of ideas and principles that have resulted in a pay gap between CEOs and ordinary workers that’s gone from 20-to-1 fifty years ago to almost 300-to-1 today.

A survey, released on September 6, of 1,947 Harvard Business School alumni showed them far more hopeful about the future competitiveness of American firms than about the future of American workers.

As the authors of the survey conclude, such a divergence is unsustainable. Without a large and growing middle class, Americans won’t have the purchasing power to keep U.S. corporations profitable, and global demand won’t fill the gap. Moreover, the widening gap eventually will lead to political and social instability. As the authors put it, “any leader with a long view understands that business has a profound stake in the prosperity of the average American.”

Unfortunately, the authors neglected to include a discussion about how Harvard Business School should change what it teaches future CEOs with regard to this “profound stake.” HBS has made some changes over the years in response to earlier crises, but has not gone nearly far enough with courses that critically examine the goals of the modern corporation and the role that top executives play in achieving them.
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Harvard Business School’s Role in Widening Inequality (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2014 OP
K/R marmar Sep 2014 #1
Harvard? malaise Sep 2014 #2
Were I King For A Day I would shutter hifiguy Sep 2014 #18
I would shutter everyone on the planet malaise Sep 2014 #22
I almost blasted you joeglow3 Sep 2014 #25
The world has needed accountants since at least the time of the Pharaohs. hifiguy Sep 2014 #26
The University of Chicago is just as complicit. Romulox Sep 2014 #3
If not moreso. They ran the experiments for this economic model in South America with disasterous jwirr Sep 2014 #9
Posted to for later reading 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #4
I received my MBA from Wharton. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #5
Yea yea yea GummyBearz Sep 2014 #6
Any CEO that doesn't understand the fundamentals of the business will suck. tammywammy Sep 2014 #11
A little more info GummyBearz Sep 2014 #14
Ahhh tammywammy Sep 2014 #15
I am curious where KT2000 Sep 2014 #8
" it's a good thing they're marginalized." And the rest of us suffering under shit CEOs wish the bettyellen Sep 2014 #19
Do they emphasize humility at Wharton? phil89 Sep 2014 #28
This is where it all begins... marions ghost Sep 2014 #7
oh but you need to read #5. They have a right because they are better than us! jwirr Sep 2014 #12
Yeah, there's a live one on the hoof... marions ghost Sep 2014 #13
Larry Harvard Summers: "What would Goldman Think?", per Joseph Stiglitz Octafish Sep 2014 #10
300 to 1 pay gap... marions ghost Sep 2014 #16
Is there any reputable study of the real impact of all the mergers? dickthegrouch Sep 2014 #17
That would be an interesting case to read. tammywammy Sep 2014 #21
You have good old Martin Feldstien to thank for that one . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2014 #20
And Ayn Rand... marions ghost Sep 2014 #23
Years ago . . . Brigid Sep 2014 #24
"Business ethics" is up there with hifiguy Sep 2014 #27
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
18. Were I King For A Day I would shutter
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:25 PM
Sep 2014

every "business school" in the country. We do need accountants to keep track of things, so I would make accounting its own department somewhere else in academia.

For years I have said that if the US wants to destroy the Chinese economy without war we should parachute in tens of thousands of MBAs. They will do the job in no time, just like they have here.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
26. The world has needed accountants since at least the time of the Pharaohs.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:57 AM
Sep 2014

Someone has to keep track of stuff and accountants are good at it.

On the other hand, the world survived for countless millennia without "financial engineers" and marketing executives.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. If not moreso. They ran the experiments for this economic model in South America with disasterous
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:22 AM
Sep 2014

results. Even as it failed there they brought it home to use on us.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
5. I received my MBA from Wharton.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:43 AM
Sep 2014

Do you know what a Harvard student and a Wharton student have in common?

They both got accepted at Harvard.

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Wharton is the premier business school in the USA and one of the top business schools in the world. There's no Ivy League school that even comes close. MIT Sloan is for the weak-minded compared to Wharton. A Bachelors at Wharton is a PhD anywhere else.

I had someone the other day try and tell me that Wharton was doing the Koch brothers bidding, or some nonsense like that. I didn't even bother replying. There's no reasoning with someone who says things like that.

Graduates from the top business schools are in demand and those who receive their degrees from these institutes can write their own ticket, just like I did. And companies are going to pay top dollar to employ them in their company.

Not everyone can QB a NFL team, not everyone can be the top chef in the world, not everyone can drive Formula 1, not everyone can be a top clothing designer,.... Do and you get paid top dollar. Other than complain and talk about "pay gap" there's nothing those who wish to can do about it. And given their true worldview on political and social topics in general (as opposed to what they claim publicly for PR purposes), it's a good thing they're marginalized.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
6. Yea yea yea
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:11 AM
Sep 2014

Ok... so speaking as someone who actually has a PhD and therefore knows what it takes to get one, let me start by saying a bachelors is not the same.

Now I'm not in the business field (I do aerospace engineering), so I wont pretend to know much about being a CEO, other than the previous CEO of my company also had a PhD in engineering and the company was extremely successful and grew. Now we have a CEO with an MBA, and have shrunk from 100,000+ employees to about half that. But the stock price has skyrocketed due to all the layoffs. From my experience, you business guys sure don't know how to run a damn business, even when you inherit one

edit for typos

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
11. Any CEO that doesn't understand the fundamentals of the business will suck.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:28 AM
Sep 2014

Though I'm not getting my MBA from Wharton ( ), I go to a state school, any CEO with or without a MBA can screw things up. On the other hand, since you work in aerospace engineering the funding, at least government sources, have tightened up considerably since 2008. If the product(s) you sell are no longer viable or marketable then you'll end up with layoffs. But a good CEO/executive management should have foreseen it and started looking into bringing different products online to make up for the shortfall.

Where I work I've seen certain products not make the cut while another area is going gangbusters. But if enough smaller contracts aren't picked up by the customer then layoffs are definitely possible.

In general, it's not always bc they're a MBA person, they could just be shitty management. Or there could be other factors that you aren't taking into account.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
14. A little more info
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:21 PM
Sep 2014

All your points are valid. I didnt really explain my individual circumstances much. Many of our previous business arms have been sold/spun off into other companies with the only difference being a spike in the main companies share price due to an increase in relative productivity (the CEO's compensation is of course mainly paid in company shares). Its obvious to anyone working here that he really doesnt care about growing the company in the long term. He just cares about growing the share price in the near term so that he gets more money personally.

As far as government tightening up contracts, that is definitely true and had an affect in the last 10 years. But every big product my company currently makes is in the classified area, and those programs are very much alive and running. The layoffs came from open area programs getting slashed. They were profitable, but at a lower %. Selling them off and using the cash to buy back stock bumped our stock price massively, but also laid off thousands. It was just a move to get a short term stock price bump, so the CEO can get an extra $10mil or whatever.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
15. Ahhh
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:28 PM
Sep 2014

Well that's sad really. I also work in the defense industry, but thankfully there's a lot of focus on innovation and long term viability. I will say in none of my MBA classes has the idea that you should only focus on short term been discussed. Sacrificing long term success for short term rewards is a losing proposition.

KT2000

(20,583 posts)
8. I am curious where
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:20 AM
Sep 2014

the movement to turn businesses into financial instruments and employees into nothing but expenses came from. I am referring to the private equity firms and holding companies that buy up businesses and reform those businesses. That reform places the employees under stress to work harder for less with more threats of being fired. It also includes reducing quality, often as a result of sending manufacturing overseas.

I have seen the effects of this in family members' employment and businesses I have to deal with in my work.

I am serious - did this movement develop in the business schools? or did it evolve in the financial world?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. " it's a good thing they're marginalized." And the rest of us suffering under shit CEOs wish the
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:29 PM
Sep 2014

same.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
7. This is where it all begins...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:16 AM
Sep 2014

the sense of entitlement, the greed, the exploitation of wage earners, the corruption.

This is where the sick US capitalist business culture is indoctrinated.

Until it changes in the business schools, nothing changes.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
13. Yeah, there's a live one on the hoof...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:13 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)

--- He must have made a LOT of money the old-fashioned way BIG bottom line.

So--all that We The Exploited can do is "complain about the gap." And it's "a good thing we are marginalized." This is how they justify their ill-gotten gains.

Thank you. Post #5 perfectly illustrates my point about the greed and arrogance that is crippling this country. I know something about the attitude and courses of study in business schools like Wharton that he is SOoooooo proud of.... this is where the vultures get their wings.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Larry Harvard Summers: "What would Goldman Think?", per Joseph Stiglitz
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:23 AM
Sep 2014

He's like a vampire of voodoo economics: Sunlight lands on the guy but it doesn't stick.



The Globalizer Who Came In From the Cold

Joe Stiglitz: Today's Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics

Wednesday, October 10, 2001
by Greg Palast

The World Bank's former Chief Economist's accusations are eye-popping - including how the IMF and US Treasury fixed the Russian elections

"It has condemned people to death," the former apparatchik told me. This was like a scene out of Le Carre. The brilliant old agent comes in from the cold, crosses to our side, and in hours of debriefing, empties his memory of horrors committed in the name of a political ideology he now realizes has gone rotten.

And here before me was a far bigger catch than some used Cold War spy. Joseph Stiglitz was Chief Economist of the World Bank. To a great extent, the new world economic order was his theory come to life.

I "debriefed" Stigltiz over several days, at Cambridge University, in a London hotel and finally in Washington in April 2001 during the big confab of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. But instead of chairing the meetings of ministers and central bankers, Stiglitz was kept exiled safely behind the blue police cordons, the same as the nuns carrying a large wooden cross, the Bolivian union leaders, the parents of AIDS victims and the other 'anti-globalization' protesters. The ultimate insider was now on the outside.

In 1999 the World Bank fired Stiglitz. He was not allowed quiet retirement; US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, I'm told, demanded a public excommunication for Stiglitz' having expressed his first mild dissent from globalization World Bank style.

Here in Washington we completed the last of several hours of exclusive interviews for The Observer and BBC TV's Newsnight about the real, often hidden, workings of the IMF, World Bank, and the bank's 51% owner, the US Treasury.

And here, from sources unnamable (not Stiglitz), we obtained a cache of documents marked, "confidential," "restricted," and "not otherwise (to be) disclosed without World Bank authorization."

Stiglitz helped translate one from bureaucratise, a "Country Assistance Strategy." There's an Assistance Strategy for every poorer nation, designed, says the World Bank, after careful in-country investigation. But according to insider Stiglitz, the Bank's staff 'investigation' consists of close inspection of a nation's 5-star hotels. It concludes with the Bank staff meeting some begging, busted finance minister who is handed a 'restructuring agreement' pre-drafted for his 'voluntary' signature (I have a selection of these).

Each nation's economy is individually analyzed, then, says Stiglitz, the Bank hands every minister the same exact four-step program.

Step One is Privatization - which Stiglitz said could more accurately be called, 'Briberization.' Rather than object to the sell-offs of state industries, he said national leaders - using the World Bank's demands to silence local critics - happily flogged their electricity and water companies. "You could see their eyes widen" at the prospect of 10% commissions paid to Swiss bank accounts for simply shaving a few billion off the sale price of national assets.

And the US government knew it, charges Stiglitz, at least in the case of the biggest 'briberization' of all, the 1995 Russian sell-off. "The US Treasury view was this was great as we wanted Yeltsin re-elected. We don't care if it's a corrupt election. We want the money to go to Yeltzin" via kick-backs for his campaign.

CONTINUED...

http://www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/



Guy put the vampire squid into the Democratic column, too.


dickthegrouch

(3,174 posts)
17. Is there any reputable study of the real impact of all the mergers?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:14 PM
Sep 2014

While mergers in the 50's and 60's were generally long-term beneficial, I can't point to a single merger since 1990 that has enduring benefit for the surviving (and I use that word very deliberately) corporation.

Take HP + Compaq, while it's impossible to know how each would have fared separately, there is a measure in HP's current stock price vs the individual stock prices when they merged. Of course Agilent was spun off from HP before Compaq came along, and Compaq had swallowed both Tandem and DEC, and there are probably myriad other transactions along the way that all need to be factored in somehow. (Ben Rosen wrote an article on Huffpo claiming that the HP Compaq merger was a success http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-rosen/the-merger-that-worked-co_b_95873.html. I disagree, strongly.)

I think it would be a fascinating MBA project to take some historical data from the last 20-30 years and see which mergers were successful and which were not.

The point is that MBAs and other statistical wonks advocated for these mergers with no regard for the job losses and other personal impacts that would ensue. Even some of the Big bosses were surprised when they were canned as a result (my heart bleeds for them :sarcasm .

Post #5 as others note is a perfect example of the entitled, damn the world attitude of many MBAs. I wish more of them would be casualties in the disasters they have created for the rest of us.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
21. That would be an interesting case to read.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:52 PM
Sep 2014

Maybe it's because I'm not going to Wharton, but none of my fellow MBA students act like arrogant assholes demonstrated above.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
20. You have good old Martin Feldstien to thank for that one . . .
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:49 PM
Sep 2014

. . . and not just Harvard, but for the business schools of America to adopt the Feldstien-blueprinted ciririculum that he laid out in the 1980s while serving under Reagan (and subsequently, advised The Failure Fuhrer to privatize Social Security).

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
23. And Ayn Rand...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:35 AM
Sep 2014

and her influence on Alan Greenspan:



Although she rejected the labels "conservative" and "libertarian",[172] Rand has had continuing influence on right-wing politics and libertarianism.[11] Jim Powell, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, considers Rand one of the three most important women (along with Rose Wilder Lane and Isabel Paterson) of modern American libertarianism,[173] and David Nolan, one of the founders of the Libertarian Party, stated that "without Ayn Rand, the libertarian movement would not exist".[174] In his history of the libertarian movement, journalist Brian Doherty described her as "the most influential libertarian of the twentieth century to the public at large",[155] and biographer Jennifer Burns referred to her as "the ultimate gateway drug to life on the right".[175]
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In a large outdoor crowd, a man holds up a poster with the words "I am John Galt" in all capital letters

A protester at an April 2009 Tea Party rally carries a sign referring to John Galt, the hero of Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged
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She faced intense opposition from William F. Buckley, Jr. and other contributors for the National Review magazine. They published numerous criticisms in the 1950s and 1960s by Whittaker Chambers, Garry Wills, and M. Stanton Evans. Nevertheless, her influence among conservatives forced Buckley and other National Review contributors to reconsider how traditional notions of virtue and Christianity could be integrated with support for capitalism.[176]

The political figures who cite Rand as an influence are usually conservatives (often members of the United States Republican Party),[177] despite Rand taking some positions that are atypical for conservatives, such as being pro-choice and an atheist.[178] A 1987 article in The New York Times referred to her as the Reagan administration's "novelist laureate".[179] Republican Congressmen and conservative pundits have acknowledged her influence on their lives and recommended her novels.[180]

The late-2000s financial crisis spurred renewed interest in her works, especially Atlas Shrugged, which some saw as foreshadowing the crisis,[181] and opinion articles compared real-world events with the plot of the novel.[182] During this time, signs mentioning Rand and her fictional hero John Galt appeared at Tea Party protests.[183] There was also increased criticism of her ideas, especially from the political left, with critics blaming the economic crisis on her support of selfishness and free markets, particularly through her influence on Alan Greenspan.[184] For example, Mother Jones remarked that "Rand's particular genius has always been her ability to turn upside down traditional hierarchies and recast the wealthy, the talented, and the powerful as the oppressed",[178] while The Nation alleged similarities between the "moral syntax of Randianism" and fascism.

(Wikipedia)

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
24. Years ago . . .
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:43 AM
Sep 2014

Paul Harvey (remember him?) had a short news item on his show about a group of Harvard Business School students who got caught cheating -- on an ethics exam. I've never forgotten that.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
27. "Business ethics" is up there with
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:59 AM
Sep 2014

"Justice Scalia," "military music" and "jumbo shrimp" in the oxymoron rankings.

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