Ethnic Ukrainians are a majority in every eastern province other than Crimea. Polls don't support

[pampango]

the idea that any part of eastern Ukraine should separate from the country.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine#mediaviewer/File:Russians_Ukraine_2001.PNG



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/05/08/new-poll-shows-eastern-ukraines-separatists-are-wrong/

[Tommy_Carcetti]

1. Damn you, truth. nt

[davidpdx]

11. The truth keeps biting them in the ass like a rabid dog

and yet they continue their war.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

22. It's okay. They'll just post the latest Robert Parry piece.

And if anyone attacks its contents, they'll remind you that 30 years ago he did some good reporting on Iran-Contra and then claim that Parry the "patriot extraordinaire is under attack."

[SidDithers]

2. Things you won't read at RT...nt

Sid

[nationalize the fed]

3. Looks like 45% of Ukrainians are more favourable to the EU than Victoria Nuland

"Fuck the EU" -Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland

Victoria Nuland is the wife of Robert Kagan, the Co-Founder of PNAC- the Project for a New American Century

Robert Kagan- Writings

In 2003, Kagan's book, Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order, published on the eve of the US invasion of Iraq, created something of a sensation through its assertions that Europeans tended to favor peaceful resolutions of international disputes while the United States takes a more "Hobbesian" view in which some kinds of disagreement can only be settled by force, or, as he put it: "Americans are from Mars and Europe is from Venus." ...

...Kagan's essay "Not Fade Away: The Myth of American Decline" (The New Republic, February 2, 2012) was very positively received by President Obama. Josh Rogin reported in Foreign Policy that the president "spent more than 10 minutes talking about it...going over its arguments paragraph by paragraph." That essay was excerpted from his book, The World America Made (2012).

John Bew and Kagan lectured on March 27, 2014, on Realpolitik and American Exceptionalism at the Library of Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

Who got the $5 BILLION DOLLARS doled out by Kagan and her fellow New World Order scam artists?

Few seem to care. $5 BILLION DOLLARS could go a long way in THIS COUNTRY.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Ya, but what do they think of Victoria Nuland's cookies? nt

[SidDithers]

9. Green for victory!...nt

Sid

[NuclearDem]

13. Stop it Sid!

[NuclearDem]

12. You've been told before how much that $5 billion meme has been debunked.

Yet here you are again.

Then again, the New World Order line in there sort of tells me all I need to know...

[nationalize the fed]

14. No it has not been "debunked"

Here is New World Order scam artist Victoria Nuland saying the US has spent $5 BILLION DOLLARS on Ukraine

Do you think this money funded Girl Scout Bake sales? Notice the Chevron logo in the background? Do you support fracking too?

Do you even care where it went? Would you support an independent audit? Who cares.

[The Magistrate]

15. You Peddle A Zombie Fact, Sir, And One Suspects You Know It

It is a fact that over the last quarter of a century, since its independence, the United States has provided aid totaling about five billions to Ukraine. This works out to an average of roughly two hundred millions a year.

You, and others, present this fact of five billions in aid over twenty-five years as if it were a provision of five billions in a lump provided recently to procure the overthrow of a government in Kiev displaying friendliness to Moscow in the last couple of years. That is a false presentation.

It is quite possible to tell a lie which includes a fact or two; doing so is a leading technique of propagandists and bull-shitters alike.

[NuclearDem]

19. The notion that $5 billion went towards Euromaidan has been thoroughly debunked.

$5 billion over two decades.

And yet, here you are pushing that meme again, making the rest of us concerned about Western meddling in Ukraine look stupid.

[Codeine]

21. Using the phraseology of the far right

and conspiracist loonies (New World Order) is not helping your cause any more than trying to push half-truths and outright falsehoods.

[Cha]

4. I should hope so.. "Ukrainians more positive towards EU-US than Russia.."

EU-US isn't killing them and trying to take over their country.

thanks pampango~

[MattSh]

7. Nor or the Russians, if that's what you're suggesting...

[mythology]

16. Perhaps you could let the Ukrainian separatists know

Alexander Zakharchenko, who is a separatist leader, has admitted that they have Russian soldiers, who are "on vacation" fighting on their side.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/angela-merkel/11060559/Serving-Russian-soldiers-on-leave-fighting-Ukrainian-troops-alongside-rebels-pro-Russian-separatist-leader-says.html

[stevenleser]

17. That person has repeatedly and willfully ignored that evidence in the past.

I am guessing you won't get a reply.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

18. And yet he found the invasion of Crimea a "good thing."

Because "Putin knows his history".

[joeybee12]

5. And in 1991, nealry 90% of the country voted to stay separate from Russia...

So many separtists nowadays though, in other words, russian soldiers.

[Uncle Joe]

8. This recent development may be a positive sign for Ukraine.

On a thread by candelista on the LBN Forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014896703

Ukraine to ratify EU pact, offer rebels self-rule

Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine is set to ratify a disputed EU agreement and offer limited self-rule to parts of the separatist east as it moves to turn the page on the bloodiest chapter of its post-Soviet history.

Lawmakers in the Ukrainian and European parliaments are scheduled to sign the 1,200-page political and economic association agreement during a live video hookup that begins on Tuesday, at 1000 GMT.

But the historic occasion has been muted by the two sides' decision to bow to Russian pressure and delay until 2016 applying the free trade rules that pulled Ukraine out of a rival union being built by the Kremlin.

The rejection of the same deal by Kremlin-backed president Viktor Yanukovych in November triggered the bloody chain of events that led to his February ouster and Russia's subsequent seizure of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula.
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Poroshenko still intends to submit to parliament Tuesday a peace package that offers three years of limited self-rule to parts of the rebel-held territory.

(snip)

Thanks for the thread, pampango.

[davidpdx]

10. I somehow don't think that's going to be enough for their "Russian overlords"

While it would be nice if it came to an end, I highly doubt it will.

[Jamaal510]

20. K&R