BWAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!111!

[MohRokTah]

Hate the Feds, feel the pain.

Oklahoma residents will soon need passport to hit the skies

Traveling out of the airport is about to become a little bit harder in Oklahoma. That’s because an Oklahoma driver’s license will no longer be accepted at security at the beginning of the new year.

All Oklahoma residents will need a passport, even on domestic flights. The state never signed on to the federal government’s Real ID act, which is supposed to make it harder for potential terrorists to get a fake i-d. Now travelers will have to bring extra identification with them to the airport.

“You would be required to have a drivers license or passport or some other federal id to actually go through the TSA checkpoint or fly on a commercial aircraft,” says Karen Carney of Will Rogers World Airport. One passenger at the airport says he’s all for it. “If everybody does it and I do it, it makes it safer for all of us I guess.”

...

http://fox43.com/2014/09/18/oklahoma-residents-will-soon-need-passport-to-hit-the-skies/

[geek tragedy]

1. So, like 2% of them can enter federal buildings

or get on an airplane.

They sure showed Obama!

[former9thward]

94. The OP is wrong.

Airplanes kick in in 2016.

http://www.news9.com/story/26549199/ok-drivers-licenses-not-secure-will-no-longer-be-accepted-in-certain-areas

And it only applies to people whose state id's have expired. It might be years before the federal requirements kick in.

http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=4078&q=477742

[yeoman6987]

2. Most everyone I know has a passport

This is good as it will get those without IDs a form to vote. Positives all around.

[Bjorn Against]

4. Passports cost money and most poor people don't already have one

It is already difficult for many people to afford to travel and this will add an additional expense for many, a huge percentage of people don't travel outside the country so they don't have passports.

[yeoman6987]

6. Well apparently in Oklahoma they will

A passport lasts 10 years. That is about 8 dollars a year. Everyone can afford that.

[Bjorn Against]

9. No not everyone can afford that, you don't pay the cost over ten years

Passports are not issued with a payment plan, you have to put down that $80 up front. For someone on a fixed income $80 is a lot of money.

[Art_from_Ark]

52. It's actually more than $100 for a regular passport

although if only a passport card is acceptable (only good for re-entry into the US from some neighboring countries) then that would cost around $55 for adults and $40 for minors 16 and under (for first-time applicants).

And of course, even if everyone in the family just needs a passport card to visit Grandma in Seattle, then that could cost around $200 for a family of 4.

http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/passports/information/card/Difference-Between-Passport-Book-and-Card.html

[tammywammy]

77. Passport cards are only good at land crossings.

Though this is a different situation, so they may change the rules. The passport card is not good at airports. It's really meant for those that drive across the border.

[Art_from_Ark]

104. So that means that an Oklahoma family of 4

getting first-time passports would have to shell out around $400-500 to travel by air *within* the US

[C Moon]

71. That's the first thing I thought. Plus, trying to find a place to get one can be a hassle...

if you don't know what you're doing—you could end up paying twice that!

[Art_from_Ark]

74. I think you can apply for a passport at some post offices

https://www.usps.com/shop/apply-for-a-passport.htm

[C Moon]

75. That's what I did. Horrible picture, though. Antiquated equipment.

[FSogol]

83. You can take your own picture as long at it meets the requirments. n/t

[MohRokTah]

10. You really don't understand what it's like being poor, do you?

$80 all at once is devastating when you don't have much money.

[kcr]

68. No kidding n/t

[jen63]

81. It's closer to $100.

My son had to get one for a service trip to Honduras. Plus you pay for the photo too. There went the grocery money that week. There are a lot of people who don't understand paycheck to paycheck living. After my divorce, my son got a job instead of playing sports so he could buy his own school clothes. Talk about feeling like shit!

[politicat]

16. And if the state department would take the money $8 per year, that might be reasonable.

But they want a lump sum, and passports take 6 weeks. Which means an emergency, or even urgent, trip is impossible.

Plus, I think the Real ID law may create a catch 22 for Oklahoma residents applying for one -- when I renewed mine, they asked for two forms of ID, one with photo. I used DL and birth cert. But if Oklahoma Driver's licenses and ID cards aren't official ID except in Oklahoma, the state department may decline to accept them, and very few people have a second, official, picture ID. (Mostly those with military IDs.)

It's great that you, and most of the people you know, have one. But that's being fortunate.

[yeoman6987]

18. Actually this article is mute

Someone got overly excited. You can still use your drivers license. I have a passport because of our annual cruise that the family goes on which is a requirement. Never heard a complaint about it though from any of the passengers.

[MohRokTah]

20. Real ID requirements go into effect January 1, 2015.

As of that date, Oklahoma ID is no longer acceptable for federal purposes.

[former9thward]

96. Untrue.

They only go effect for expiring i.d.'s. It may not affect people for years depending on when their i.d. expires. Mine does not expire for 20 years.

http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=4078&q=477742

[politicat]

21. Self-selecting sample, that.

Anyone who is on a cruise has sufficient funds.

Having taught now at a public university for eight years, and having made a point of mentoring scholarship kids who are the first in their families to go to college (like me), and having worked in public mental health before that... It's never safe to assume that anyone can easily afford anything.

This specific article may be moot, but the larger points -- that official documentation of all sorts is expensive and time consuming -- stand.

[yeoman6987]

24. Flying in an airplane is not a necessity,

But a luxury in the big scheme of things. If you can't afford a passport, you can't afford to fly. Not rocket science here.

[Bjorn Against]

30. There are occassions in which travel can be a necessity

There are family emergencies that can require people to travel, try to understand the difficult situations that are faced by people who have family members living in other states.

[MohRokTah]

31. Tell that to the Oklahoma man whose mother died in Ohio.

Really, you don't have a clue, do you?

[yeoman6987]

47. Well neither do you since this article says

License or passport. And I guess driving to Ohio is cheap? Not! Someday I hope.....

[MohRokTah]

49. But Oklahoma licenses are no longer valid as of January 1, 2015

so you have no fucking clue.

[yeoman6987]

53. Well I don't care. Done with the article.

If you are so concerned. Why not pay for some passports for those who need them? I bet that won't happen.

[MohRokTah]

54. Fuck no.

I'm laughing my ass of because Oklahoma shot itself in the foot.

And for somebody who doesn't care, you sure cared enough to post the shit out of it.

[yeoman6987]

56. True. I admit it.

Until I see you again on another thread, have a good one.

[Iggo]

80. "I don't care."

Finally, we get to the point.

[CreekDog]

84. why don't you care?

[cwydro]

103. No, you don't.

I cannot find a single valid article on this from a known news source. The TSA has no info on this at all.

No one will need a passport to fly within the US. These are all news articles for gullible people (no comment there), about what MIGHT happen.

It won't.

And if you do believe it...why are you laughing at the folks in Oklahoma??? That seems odd to me. and then you come back and defend their right to travel. Very odd.

[AndyTiedye]

63. Entering a Federal Court COULD be a Necessity

Oklahoma citizens will also have to bring their passport to get through security at federal buildings, such as a federal courthouse.

What if you get summoned into a Federal courthouse, either as a juror or for some other reason?
Without a proper ID, they won't let you in, until the police DRAG you in for failure to appear.

[Captain Stern]

28. The article is "mute"?

Well, I guess it is. It can't talk.

[yeoman6987]

33. You never heard of this definition used?

It is true that you probably didn't have this word in English explained to you. I went to Catholic School where English is priority over even Science in some cases. Our education system had slipped since 1987 when I graduated from high school. Well at least you learned something new tonight and it was my honor to assist you. I am always willing to help.

[MohRokTah]

36. The word is "moot".

[freshwest]

50. That's what I thought, but hey...

[Captain Stern]

39. Thanks. I'm a better person because of your help.

I thought that you were confusing the word 'mute' with the word 'moot'. I was always taught that those two words mean different things....but I graduated from high school before 1987, so I guess things have changed.

[adirondacker]

43. I can not locate the moot button on my remote!

[yeoman6987]

48. Lol. I am an idiot. Although I had fun in the thread

Have a good night!

[zappaman]

62. Wow.

The irony is stupendous.

[CreekDog]

85. Your posts are a hute!

[tkmorris]

88. OMG this is the most unintentionally funny post ever

You MIGHT want to make sure you know what you're talking about before you start holding forth about how educated you are.

"Mute" point. Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Sheldon Cooper]

90. Hahaha!!

Those nuns mustn't have been very effective teachers! Listen, if you're going to get all snarky and sarcastic over grammar, at least use the correct word. "Mute", indeed. You must be feeling pretty chagrined right now.

[nruthie]

41. Perhaps you meant MOOT?

Enjoy your cruise.

[Iggo]

91. No, no, no.

It's a mute point, because it goes without saying.

[HERVEPA]

42. Moot, not mute

[Tace]

46. (moot)

[freshwest]

59. Just say MOOOO! Moot sounds too much like Noot! That is, Newt!

Wait! Moon and Noot!

[Tsiyu]

73. Actually I think you mean moot

unless it's supposed to talk

Edit to add: I see you have already been corrected.

The DU vocabulary refresher List III


Carry on...


and sorry to hear most everyone you know has a passport.

There are millions of wonderful people without passports and you sure are missing out.

[WinkyDink]

100. You actually are using CRUISE-takers as your sample?! (P.S. Yes, yes, Joey from "Friends.")

[sabrina 1]

72. You really are out of touch with what being poor means. No, not everyone has

that has that much money to spare for something that isn't food or clothing. They certainly couldn't come up with $80 to spend on something that isn't an immediate need.

No wonder nothing gets done to address the poor in this country if this is what the thinking is. To a poor person, $80 is a FORTUNE. It would buy food for a family of four for a week or more. It would buy clothes at a Thrift Store for the entire family who badly need them.

And your 'that is $8 a year' statement? The Poor don't think in YEARS, they can't afford to. That's the thinking of someone who has no problem coming up with the money up front.

*sigh*

[CreekDog]

82. you're saying the State Department offers a payment plan of $8/year?

get it right next time.

[WinkyDink]

99. Clueless. 1.) Whom you know is a small "n"; 2.) You have no idea of real poverty, which surely

exists in OK.

[lunasun]

12. They need to make sure they vote- get the GOP out before they make life even more

difficult for the poor there

[Bjorn Against]

15. They definitely need change

Unfortunately Oklahoma does not elect very many reasonable people to office, there may be some reasonable people in the state but the neandrathals cancel out their votes nearly every time.

[cwydro]

17. You need ID to fly.

But not a passport domestically.

[Bjorn Against]

23. You need a passport if your only identification is from the State of Oklahoma

You can use an ID from any of the other 49 states but if your only ID is an Oklahoma ID then you need to get a passport or some other form of federal identification.

[Art_from_Ark]

58. I wonder if that also applies if an Oklahoma resident

is flying out of an Arkansas or Texas airport?

[Bjorn Against]

61. I believe it does, these are federal regulations so the standards are the same across the nation

[Liberal_in_LA]

102. yep. Just renewed mine. Total cost - new picture, return postage = more than $110

[A Little Weird]

14. Really?

Only a handful of people I know have passports. I only know because I was asking everyone I knew about how the process worked and how long it took when I was applying for mine.

As I recall, it cost me nearly $100 to get the passport - that's a lot of money for most people. I guess it will make travel even more out of reach for a lot of people. Boo Oklahoma!

[Blue_In_AK]

19. I never had a passport

until a few years ago when they started requiring Alaskans to have one to pass through Canada on our way to the rest of Alaska. I never needed one. And I'm almost 68.

[dixiegrrrrl]

40. We are probably the last generation

who will know what it was like to cross into Canada or Mexico with little ID..
or to catch fish without a license
or when flying was actually comfortable and fun
and when a driver's license was the only needed for ID

or ...........?

[Blue_In_AK]

66. You're right.

It's sad.

[X_Digger]

37. BEIKVFMG in action, folks. "But everyone I know voted for McGovern!"

The sphere of 'people you know' is not representative of a) any other sphere of people, and more importantly to this discussion, b) residents of Oklahoma.

[CreekDog]

86. Two thirds of Americans don't have a passport

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewbender/2012/01/30/record-number-of-americans-now-hold-passports/

[RebelOne]

87. I am the only one I know who has a passport,

and it was issued in 1986. I am not getting another one because I do not plan to travel out of the country in the near or distant future.

[hatrack]

3. FREEDUMB!!

[Nye Bevan]

5. Would you mind inserting a few spaces in the subject line?

It's messing up the formatting of GD.

[MohRokTah]

8. I didn't see it but have complied with your request.

[Nye Bevan]

55. Thanks- that fixed it (nt)

[yeoman6987]

13. Admittedly no

However in the last two weeks, I had to cough up 300 dollars for annual pest control and 265 for annual termite control and 1500 dollars for HOA. It sucks but a reality for having a house in Florida.

[MohRokTah]

22. WTF?

[yeoman6987]

27. That's what I say

Having two homes is a fortune to upkeep and take care of. Things are very expensive for us in the middle class. I hope relief is coming. Don't get me started on the cost to run the Arnold, Maryland home. It would curl your toes. Life is a struggle for us all.

[MohRokTah]

32. I think you are responding in the WRONG THREAD

Your responses have absofuckinglutely nothing to do with this thread.

[yeoman6987]

35. Well I admit originally I did give my opinion on something

But then some of us went on a tangent. Happens from time to time. Perhaps we may get on with the subject at hand.

[MohRokTah]

38. Nah

I'm putting you on ignore as a complete waste of my time.

[Electric Monk]

45. because, and I quote, "f%@k FarmVille"

[greytdemocrat]

7. Pretty stupid, retinal scan next??? nt

[Sancho]

51. Actually, I have a GOES card (global entry) to speed up security at airports...

and it uses a retinal scan and palm print to skip the long security lines at some airports.

You can get one if you interview with homeland security, background check, pay the fee, etc. I'm sure that sooner or later the system could just be expanded to everyone.

[cwydro]

11. Uh

“You would be required to have a drivers license or passport or some other federal id to actually go through the TSA checkpoint or fly on a commercial aircraft,” says Karen Carney of Will Rogers World Airport.

This says OR...not AND.

[Bjorn Against]

25. I am pretty sure that is referring to a driver's license from another state

The rest of the article is quite explicit that Oklahoma ID cards are not accepted.

[cwydro]

29. This is nonsense.

I have friends who work for the airlines all over the country.

We'll just wait and see. But I call BS.

Stupid MSM will pick up any story and put it out for the gullible souls in their readership.

[Bjorn Against]

34. Can you cite a source which refutes this article?

I am more than willing to listen if you can cite a source to show this article is wrong, calling me gullible because I simply pointed out what the article says is not going to convince me that you are more knowledgable than the author however.

[Art_from_Ark]

60. Here's an article from an actual Oklahoma news organization

The airport restrictions kick in in 2016.

http://www.news9.com/category/112032/news

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. they will have lots more trouble too....

for example they will need that to enter any govt facilities...

[Lint Head]

44. ......and the SS said, "May I see your papers."

[msanthrope]

57. Can they show their long form birth certificates? nt

[Cartoonist]

65. Only if it has a cute baby photo on it. nt

[Warpy]

64. Trial program, starting in a red, red state

My guess is that it will be nationwide within 5 years.

It's a way of sifting out more of the 99%, keeping the poorest from traveling, even in an emergency.

[FrodosPet]

67. Is that figure from Infowars or Prison Planet?

I'm sorry, I cannot even stand those sites as a joke any more.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

69. I bet they gladly accept them thar Fedrul greenbacks.

[goldent]

70. The problem will be fixed. Okies needn't worry

The article might be technically accurate, but still BS. Use common sense!

[DesMoinesDem]

76. There are only 21 states that are in compliance with the Real ID Act.

You actually think that the federal government is going to require passports for everyone living in a state that is not compliant??

BWAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!111!

[4dsc]

89. Fuck the Real ID ACT...

The Real ID Act is a very bad idea and shouldn't be supported by anyone who values their freedoms.

[alarimer]

97. I agree with this.

What's next? Not everyone has a long-form birth certificate. Or can get one. I've never tried, but my was registered in a state different than the one I was born in, so I have no idea.

In any case, your driver's license has been good enough up until now and there hasn't been a rash of terrorist attacks. This is yet another example of creeping fascism left over from Bush's illegal reign of error.

[Orsino]

78. They must really, really hate Meskins.

I wonder how cheerfully citizens will comply with the dumbass rules they indirectly voted in?

Hope they are (papers) pleased with themselves.

[MohRokTah]

79. Real ID actually makes a lot of sense.

Making it more difficult to create a fake ID and easier to detect such fakes makes a lot of sense.

[4dsc]

92. Nazi Germany also thought that

I guess if you like government control over your daily life then you're going to love the Real ID.

[MohRokTah]

93. .

[Drale]

101. And Goodwin's Law strikes again. /nt

[former9thward]

95. Citing Fox and you get it wrong....

The airplane does not kick in until 2016.

http://www.news9.com/story/26549199/ok-drivers-licenses-not-secure-will-no-longer-be-accepted-in-certain-areas

[VScott]

98. I must have missed the punchline.

MA and 5 other states including OK, are in the same situation...

Mass. IDs at odds with federal law
Federal agencies blocking entry, citing compliance

WASHINGTON — Susan Podziba couldn’t enter a federal building near Washington this month because her driver’s license revealed an unacceptable home state: Massachusetts.

Bay State residents can no longer use their driver’s licenses to get inside some government agencies because the state is one of nine that have not signed on to a federal law called REAL ID. If nothing changes, they will even lose the ability to display their licenses to board a plane.

The REAL ID measure presses states to verify citizenship and update security standards when they issue licenses. Congress intended the act to prevent terrorists who arrive in the country illegally from boarding planes. But officials in Massachusetts and elsewhere have balked at a program they contend costs millions, raises privacy concerns, and infringes on states’ rights.

States face no direct penalty other than the frustration of their citizens.

Some restrictions — such as the one that kept Podziba, a public policy mediator from Brookline, out of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration — began in late July.

“It was bizarre, and then I really felt embarrassed,” Podziba said. “It was like wow, I am a US citizen and suddenly my Massachusetts ID isn’t good enough?”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/08/25/massachusetts-licenses-rejected-parts-washington/iQl5H871MxTHAqpnN1Rj7N/story.html

Personally, I was dead set against 'The Real ID Act' when it was first introduced, and I still am.